The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - Right / Wrong

Episode Date: May 12, 2025

Colin tells you where he was Right and where he was Wrong, thoughts on George Pickens ripping the Steelers after they traded him to Dallas, and Matt Hasselbeck joins the show. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The NBA ping-fong ball draft lottery tonight. Very exciting. Very exciting. The weather was so amazing out here all weekend. I forgot that. You get any sun, little suns out, guns out for you at the beach? I worked out. Had a great time.

Sat-ha-hot watched a lot of NBA stuff. A lot of bad NBA basketball. Yesterday went and had a beer with a buddy. That Celtics' Knicks game Saturday was unwatchable. Kind of watchable, be honest with you. Why? Because I had, you know, I think Boston's going to win the series. Well, not if the Knicks win tonight.

If the Knicks win tonight, I think they got a great chance to win the series. If they lose, it's over. If the Knicks win tonight, they're going to win the series. By the way, Celtics have led every game by 20. Six of the seven games this year. That's not great. It's their formula. All right, it's a Monday, right, wrong, as always.

plenty of both here we go where colin was right yonis according to shams is going to explore the best fits outside of milwaukee we've been saying this for the last year to year and a half you got a trophy you don't control your first picks you're not close to being in indiana a cleveland a boston and okayc and you're not close to be in a san an san an hosvene potentially after the draft lottery tonight it's time to reboot and according to shams that's what milwaukee hockey and Janice plan to do. Where Colin was wrong. If you had told me the Knicks would be Boston both times in Boston, I'd have said you're

crazy. If it had told me Boston would lead by 20 in both games or more and still lose, I'd say impossible. But the impossible happened. Hard to explain what I watched in Boston is the Knicks currently lead two to one. Again, very clearly, one roster has eight guys who can show. shoot pass and handle the ball. New York is not that roster,

but if they win tonight, Boston's in big trouble. Where Colin was right? I said, teams didn't want to draft Schoeners Sanders once he got out of the first round because they didn't want a Tim Tebow circus. And sure enough, even though he was the second quarterback taken

by the Cleveland Browns, what were the questions about from the Cleveland media at camp? This will probably fall in deaf ears, but don't look too much into it. There's plenty of reps. There's a lot of time between now and September, so we'll have a plan, but it's an all-encompassing evaluation. It's not something that it's just based on the practice reps. There's a lot that goes into it. First questions, why is should do or not getting the starting reps? You knew it was coming.

It's Tebow 2.0. Where Colin was wrong. Derek Carr retired. Listen, I always liked him. a four-time all-pro during the bad Al Pro Bowl or during the Al Davis Cruddy years, which is hard to do. He was a life preserver for a terribly run franchise. Third season in the league, he was third in the MVP vote. Second round route of Fresno State. I liked him a lot.

But there's not much you can do. The Raiders were a mess when he was there, and then Dennis Allen is not a head coach. He's more of a coordinator. I thought he was going to have a Philip Rivers career where you didn't maybe watch a, ton of them in college, but you're going to look at the end of his career and there'd be some Hall of Fame votes.

And he retired yesterday and it never transpired. Where Colin was right? Well, the athletic is reporting that NFL teams laughed at the Cowboys for giving up a third round pick for George Pickens, the very talented, but incredibly volatile wide receiver. And as we said, when Mike Tomlin moves off a drama-filled offensive play. playmaker, they do not recover. I can give you about seven examples. This is also Jerry Jones once again, as the NFL front offices have gotten younger and shrewder,

the Cowboys are giving away draft picks like Skittles. The Cowboys, to me, have one of the weaker rosters overall in the league. Where Colin was wrong. Julius Randall, where did this come from? I always kind of liked him, but his assist totals have gone through the. roof. He has led, Julius Randall has led the T-Wolves and assists. And by the way, with New York, they wanted him to be a one pre-Jelan Brunson, and that's not what he is. But I never saw him as a two. I saw him as a three. He was great against the Lakers. He's been excellent in

this series. He had a triple double Saturday. And we just got to be honest here. Is it late developing? No, it's probably this staff Chris Finch has assembled knows how to use him. I don't think he's a better player. I think he is used more efficiently in Minnesota and good for Julius Randall. Where Colin was right? I did not buy the odds makers who had OKC at minus 800 to bury the Nuggets. I said this is going to be a six or seven game series. Yokic is the best player in the world.

And even though I love OKC's roster construct and depth, I would take the Nuggets starting five if he gave me a quarter to play for the championship. again, OKC is built to win the entire thing, and maybe Denver with no bench isn't, but it was disrespectful. The odds had this thing be in a four or five game series, and I'm sorry, Denver's got three great playoff veterans who have been in a lot of these close big games.

Where Colin was right? Well, the Steelers enter 2025 as the only team in the league without their top quarterback, running back, wide receiver and left tackle from last year. I have said this for years. They don't take offense seriously. Once again, third year in a row, they are among the league leaders in defensive spending.

I'll get to this later, but they become opposite of the Rams with an offensive coach, an offensive spending, and no drama. But it is remarkable. There's only one team in this league. Quarterback, running back, wide receiver, left tackle.

Gone, gone, gone, gone in an offensive league. I like Mike Tomlin, respect the Roonies, but they just feel out of touch for 2025 NFL football. Where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong, with that. Matt Hasselbeck, 18 years in the league is now joining us. Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, I don't think this is embellishing. Pickens is a young player. He's talented, but everybody knows in the league.

Everybody knew Des Bryant was a little emotional. or Stefan Dix, there's players that come with a reputation. If you're DAC and you know Pickin's reputation, if Mike Tomlin moves off, I'm a very tolerant guy, there's probably something there. How would you address it? Would you communicate with him early? What do you do knowing you're bringing somebody in the locker room

that comes with a personality and probably some demands? you're a little grumpy on a Monday, Colin. I'm listening to you. Man, no, listen, I think you kill them with kindness. It's a clean slate. You give everybody a chance. At least that's what I did. You know, we sign guys all the time that maybe had a checkered pass on their previous team.

And then it's a clean slate. Like, I'm going to give you a chance to lose my respect, I guess is how I would think of it. I mean, when we got Marshawn Lynch to our team, Pete Carroll did a good job. We killed him with kindness. He basically got run out of Buffalo. We killed him with kindness. We told him what the standard was at our place. We didn't have a lot of rules.

We had three rules, but they mattered. Those three mattered. We weren't going to have 10 rules, but we had three of them. And that's what we care about. And he got on board, and he was a great teammate. Like, he was incredible the entire time that I was teammates with him. And then I would even say beyond. So I think if you're DAC, you get a wide receiver.

Wide receivers can be a little bit of high maintenance. Comes with the talent level. There's a lot of talent at wide receiver. George Pickens, in this case, has a ton of talent, huge upside. You give him a chance because ultimately the chemistry between quarterback and a playmaker like that, I mean, you could win or lose two or three games just on that alone. You know, I look at the Cowboys Eagles is the first game of the year. And my take is the NFL said, we don't know how good Dallas is going to be.

So we're going to get him right up front and get a cowboy game early. We don't know by week eight what they look like. Philadelphia, we were talking about this, is that when you plan a Super Bowl, everybody wants to get paid. Philadelphia is going to happen. They moved off some players. But this is a big, and there's some ego in this organization, which I'm totally comfortable with. When you are the first game, a couple years ago, Lions beat the Chiefs at Arrowhead,

when you've won a Super Bowl or been in a Super Bowl, you're the high-profile team. Is it off-season different? Does it feel a little different when you've been in the Super Bowl? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, first of all, I'm surprised by this week one matchup. I'm not sure if you are divisional, Cowboys. I mean, the Cowboys will rate well anytime. You don't need the Cowboys week one. You could throw the Chargers, the Bengals or somebody up there. But no, the off season is very different. And I remember, you know, even my rookie year, I came into the Green Bay Packers. They were coming off of their, you know, two Super Bowls in a row. I remember when we were coming off of our Super Bowl in Seattle, Mike Holmgren was the head coach. The talking points are different. The coach. The coach, the coaching points are different. The coach. Coaching points are different. You know, basically you got to come back down the mountain. You know, the whole season, you're talking about climbing a mountain. It's 20 games.

It's climbing a mountain. You don't just like start fresh. You got to come back down off that high. And I think that's a hard part. You know, sometimes there's a little bit of fat cat syndrome. You know, you're on the banquet tour and on the, you know, vacation tour. You forget what got you there. But then other times it's in free agency.

Guys leave. Coaches leave. Everyone gets promoted. and your team isn't quite the same team. And so no matter who you are, I think you got to realize last year is last year, and you better buckle your chin strap and come to play in 2025 because your week one opponent,

I mean, you've got a target on your back for everybody, but especially that week one opponent. I swear this is not a Shadour Sanders question, but both the Saints now with Derek Carr's retirement and the Browns have an open quarterback competition. You don't get a lot of those in the NFL. Like, you just don't. Were you ever part of an open quarterback, or at least you went in and there were spots open,

and how do you divvy up snaps and how does it work? Because you don't get many of it. That's a college issue. That's not a pro issue. Yeah, well, listen, every situation is a little bit different. And I always viewed it as it was an open competition. I mean, going back to that rookie year, I remember Mike Holmgren saying to our team, the Green Bay Packers, he said, listen, I don't care how much you make, where you were drafted,

the best players are going to play. Then he said, now granted, I expect Reggie White to be our starting defensive end. I expect Brett Farb to be our starting quarterback, but the best players will play. I think the great organizations have the confidence to do that. Thinking back to Seattle and Pete Carroll, maybe his third year there, they were paying a ton of money to a bunch of other quarterbacks, and they had the courage to start Russell Wilson, a rookie third rounder. They played the best player. That's unusual. People don't usually do that. So the reps are usually divvied, up how they expect it to go, how they want it to go. Where is there in money invested? And so for a late round pick, it's tough. Like, if I'm being honest, you're, there's going to be on rare occasions,

are you even getting snaps with the first drink center? Like, not in a live situation. And so there's going to be all these things. You're going to basically have to make it the most of every single opportunity. And I always found it was a lot easier when it was clearly defined. Yeah. Not necessarily to the public, but it was clearly defined inside the building, inside that quarterback room. Here's what you're actually competing for. Here's what's open to you. And, you know, those are uncomfortable conversations, but I think it's best when those

conversations are out on the table and they're actually had. Okay. So you have to have at least four to five new playoff teams on an annual basis. Now, I did very well last year in the AFC because I took the best quarterback in every division. I think the AFC, it was almost like during the Peyton Manning Brady years, I got too right. So in the AFC, my predictions are Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, C.J. Stroud. That feels like an easy one. I am going year two of Harbaugh has always been the year it pops.

By the way, I think Vrable's excellent. Burrow and Mahomes make the playoffs. Let's pick apart my AFC playoff prediction. Anything you don't like. Listen, I love the Patriots. You're asking a lot. I think you're asking a lot there. I think the Bengals were very, very close to being a playoff team.

So I'm down with you. I can get behind that one. But I'd be surprised to see the Patriots over the dolphins right there. No one's a bigger Mike Vrable fan than me. I love Drake May. I think they're a year away, though. And I think they might actually be okay with that. But I think Miami, I would slide Miami in there.

And that Texans division, that's the other one, you know, I just, I don't know. that could go either way. I played in that division for multiple teams. And I wouldn't be surprised to see Indianapolis be a lot better this year if they can get the quarterback play a little bit better. Other than that, I like your list here. And I wouldn't be surprised if this was the year that Lamar Jackson and the Ravens make it to the Super Bowl. Okay, we go to the NFC, which was harder for me, especially the NFC North. Listen, again, I'm going to go with Jalen Hertz, Jared Gough, Baker Mayfield, Matt Stafford, with a great defense.

I'm kind of rolling the dice on Seattle. I do think their roster and coach are excellent. I love their GM. I thought two years in a row they've nailed the draft. You're laughing, and I bet you're laughing at my bears, right? Can you be a homer and you're not even in Chicago yet? I mean, what the heck, man? I mean, either you love O-Line play.

I mean, because they've done a great job of bolstering their own line. I love what Ryan Poles. I love what they're doing. But no. A wild card team, no. Listen, you said it, right? Last time, you made the picks based on the quarterbacks. It's always good quarterback play in the playoffs. I mean, it's pretty much that's the deal. Go back to last year, I would think the Steelers may be maybe the exception because they didn't have great quarterback play at the end of the year, but they had good quarterback play during the season.

And I just, I think that's a huge question mark. I think that's a gamble. I'm calling you out as a homer there. Sorry, that's, those are the facts. I wouldn't sleep on the Vikings. You know, it's a huge unknown, right? But, but I guess, I don't know. I think the Vikings have so much confidence that it's giving me confidence. And, you know, like you just said about coming, we were talking about the Super Bowl coming back down the mountain. That NFC East, there's always a new winner. It feels like, don't count out the Washington commanders as a team that can win that division. And I'm probably just saying that because I love their quarterback so much. And now I'm probably biased. But I would kind of, I would say all that. And then the,

other team you don't have in there that usually it's hard to go worse to first, but I think San Francisco could be in that in that NFC West. I think that's anybody's division as well. Finally, I want to wrap it up. So the staff's giving me crap. I said when Derek Carr came into the league and made four Pro Bowls with the dysfunctional Raiders, I'm like, this guy can play. I watched them at Fresno State. He was third an MVP voting early in his career. But here's where I thought he had a chance to be at Philip Rivers, where we'd be given some Hall of Fame votes at the end. But the difference is Philip Rivers had more function around him. And I look at Derek Carr, and we all know that rookies need the right landing spot.

I mean, Bo Nicks, Sean Payton, it probably doesn't look like that if he goes to Matt Eberfluse, not picking on him, but a defensive coach. I always thought Derek Carr, and then he went with Dennis Allen, and I'm like, I'm going to be wrong on this. It just didn't work. Do you think Derek Carr, like a Sam Darnel, had he gone to a great, functional offensive coach. Am I overstating it or is he a classic? He never got a fair shot in this league. No, listen, I think I think his teammates would say he's a Hall of Fame teammate. And I think he was, I think he was cooking with some of the offensive coaches that he had. You know, I don't know, I have the years in front of me, but I feel like the John Gruden, kind of that offense that he was in.

Listen, when I think of Derrick Carr, I think of one thing it just comes. I can't get it out of my head. how he left the Raiders. It bothered me. It bothered me big time. Like he got benched and then they told him don't even come to the building. And the coaching staff that did that, it bothered me because in my mind, I was like, Derek Carr is going to be a Raider way longer than you're going to be a raider. And that bothered me.

And I really, I feel like I watched him grow up as a leader. I saw the way he handled when there was the tragedy with the wide receiver who ended up going to jail. He handled the terrible situation with the head coach. you know, all these kinds of things. Like I just, you know, it's unfortunate. Sometimes your body can't do for you what your brain and your heart want to do. And it sounds like that's a similar case for him. But I enjoyed watching him play and I was never teammates with him.

I don't know him. But I think when I hear his teammates talk about him, I understand what kind of teammate he was. Matt Hasselbeck, great seeing you on a Monday, my friend, as always. All right, smile more, Kyle calling on a Monday. I need you to smile more. I'm heading to the Midwest. I feel just great. Okay, so I'm a bit of a Chicago Homer.

Hey, I said I was hoping Cooper Flag went to Houston or San Antonio, because I do think that changes. Can you imagine tonight? I'm just telling you, if San Antonio wins the lottery, they're going to have the back-to-back rookie, a point guard, a big, and now a wing. They've won enough of these damn things. They don't need another one.

You got Wemby. You got David Robinson. You got Tim Duncan. Why would we get this? There's another one. Can you imagine being OKC, that you've done a brilliant job. Sam Presti has done a brilliant job. You found Hardin.

And you got KD in Westbrook. And you get to a final and you never win it. And now Steph's old and LeBron's old and you are poised. And the spurs get Wemby in one draft, Castle in the next, and Cooper flag in the next. And you never win a title. I mean, they have been, Oklahoma City has been so well run and so smartly constructed.

If you're an O KC fan, it doesn't matter of Houston wins it. We don't trust Houston necessarily. If San Antonio wins this. And by the way, I've always said San Antonio no state tax, they'll go get some good free agents. If San Antonio wins this. They've gotten so many free agents, so many people want to move to San Antonio. Very nice.

Beautiful. Riverwalk, beautiful. What's next to you, Texas? You're going to set up shop by Joe Rogan in Austin? What's going on? You're like, come on. You love a very good life. San Antonio does not need any.

more number one fix. You know what does the nation's capital, which is under fire right now. Oh, gross. Washington, you know, I grew up outside the DC. I watched the documentary. I'm not even going to get into it how frustrating it was to watch. I watched a documentary. It's called shooting guards. It's the Gilbert Arena story with his teammate. Oh. It's, it's, it's unbelievable that an organization would be so dysfunctional that they would allow that to happen. There's like 13 warning signs and the organization couldn't figure it out. Well, that's what I cannot root. I cannot root for the Wizards.

Sometimes you turn an eye when you got a superstar. Areas, hey, you want a fun fact? You know, I like to wear NBA jerseys just for fun. The first jersey I bought ever was Gilbert Arena's when he was in Washington. And I would wear it around the New York City Subways going to Men's League games.

If you'll be like, Wizards, what are you a wizard? It was a great talking point. I loved Gilbert Arenas, man. That guy was really good. And then the gun incident.

It's a fast. but it was impossible to watch that and root for the wizards just in i mean the what they allowed on the team plane and in the locker room was maddening i don't even listen it's obviously you have to be culpable if you're a player yeah they made bad decisions but sometimes parents slash that's the thing about the NBA these kids come into the NBA at 18 19 years old i mean they they grow up in louisiana then they go to new york or l. those kids need help they need guidance they need support. If 18 years old, you would have shit me off to play basketball in New Orleans. If I had bad guidance, I don't forget the millions of dollars dripping out of your pockets.

Okay. Yeah. Some Kwame Brown stories floating around about how Michael Jordan treated him after they took him number one overall. Go read that about Michael Jordan. The guy who punched his teammate in Chicago. Go see how we treated Kwame Brown in D.C. I can ruin the guy. I cannot root for Charlotte or the Wizards. I can root for the Pelicans a little because they've done some smart things. Oh, really? What? Name, name one. The way they traded Anthony Davis? Well, the Brandon Ingram thing wasn't bad. You've got some players. I can root for the paliskin.

I can root for almost everybody on this list. What's wrong with the Hornets? Do you not remember the hive and Alonzo Morning and Larry Johnson? I don't. Those starter jackets, yeah, because they were super cool when I was a kid. Remember the starter jacket? The teal and purple or whatever the color? No, I don't.

Nobody cool wore them. Maybe not in Portland wherever you were. Come on. Those things were the jam. Trust me. but they were awesome for like eight minutes in the 90s. And so that, therefore you're rooting for that. Why, it was my childhood, you know? Come on.

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I can go watch that at the park. You can watch tonight if San Antonio or Houston win that puppy or Utah, Utah, San Antonio or Houston win that draft lottery, it's going to change things in this league. Janus will probably be headed to one of those organizations. And I was saying I watched a documentary this weekend called Shooting Guards, and I'm not saying the players aren't culpable. Javaris Crittenden or Gilbert Arenas. I'm not saying that. But in the NBA, because players enter the league at such an early age, that I root for draft picks to go to better organizations.

I don't care in the NFL because you spent four years in college. A lot of guys coming to the NFL, they've got a fiancé or they're married. They've been on a college campus for four years. And by the way, just on average, most kids that get drafted in the NFL. I mean, there's some red flags, obviously. But by and large, players know they have very short careers. They put their money away. In the NBA, you know, you don't get hurt as much as football.

Players come in kind of loosey-goosey. If they don't have the right guidance, they're, you know, not. It's just not built. The NBA is not built to avoid bust. The NFL does everything they can to avoid busts. They get three and four years of tape. The players are older. it's still hard because

you know that you have so many injuries. In the NBA you're guessing you're getting 18 year old so we have a draft lottery tonight and this only happens about once every four years that you get a player that everybody knows is going to be a star. He may not be a Wemby but you may be getting Jason Tatum and he's

only 18. He could have 12 to 14 great years. So I would like to see what I consider smart people when at Utah. Ryan Smith and Danny Aange, really bright guys. I, I, Darry of the 76ers, although that organization drives me nuts. I think San Antonio and Houston would be fascinating.

Spur is going to have a couple of chances at it. God, if they win that thing tonight, I'm just telling you, you're OKC. You've done everything right for about a decade. If San Antonio wins that tonight, what a gut punch to the thunder. J. Mack with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news.

Speaking of the thunder, they got lucky last night because Yokic ran out of gas, Colin. He is having a brutal last few games in this series. Once again, could not throw it in the ocean yesterday. Seven of 22. Colin, 33%. He's been going downhill since that amazing game one performance. And now we're tied at two in the series. Afterward, here's Yokic talking about his struggles.

It's a little bit of everything, you know. They're playing really good defense on me. They're really into my body, hamsy, physical. I think I miss like two, three open looks tonight. So it's a little bit of everything. You know, they're shrinking the bone. They're shrinking the floor for me. They're having a guy behind the defender.

So it's a little bit of everything, you know. So it's a little bit of bad job, of course, but it's part of the game. I don't think you can blame Yokic. Oh, heck no. OKC is one of the few teams in the league that gives him problems. They've got a lot of dudes. It's less about him being a problem. He's struggling, no doubt.

He's tired, man. But he never struggled. Seventh game in 13 days for them, plus overtime on Friday. I thought Charles Barkley was right. I thought the scheduling was unfair. To have a late Friday game than an early Sunday for a much older team. They started out with eight points, right? No, I mean, I thought it was unfair.

They looked completely flat. But let's give OKC credit. They've got a number one, a number two, a great coach. Who's the two? Hunger. Well, you don't look. Oh, I think he could. I like him.

He's ideally a three. He can be a two. Oh, you don't think he can be a two on a championship team? Let me just finish out with Denver real quick. Your man, Russell Westbrook, who you love to like make excuses for, he was minus 20 in 27 minutes yesterday. Two of 12 shooting fouled out. He was a disaster because he was trying to do too much. They have no bench.

He was trying. Let me defend Westbrook. Because the team was out of gas, Westbrook saw it and went, okay, I'm going to go full bore. I think Westbrook saw and felt. This is an older team. Big bodies. They were shot. I get that.

But, like, Westbrook was terrible. They have no bench, and you can't foul out. I don't know how they win the series at this point. No, they're not going on. Now, Yukch could be Herculean in the next game and go for 40 and 20. When's the next game? But they have only one day off. So next game would be tomorrow.

They're going to get housed tomorrow. They might get housed. and then they come back to Denver maybe win in force game seven? I don't know. The weird thing is I watch O'KC. I don't think they're a great team, Colin. Do you? I think they're really, really.

I think they're like a little bit like a young Boston, two years away from Boston, where they've got like eight guys. Washington's got a one or one eight. After FTA, there is no. The Holmgren's a very strong too. Hogan's getting bodied by everybody. Well, you can't.

He's getting bodied by Aaron Gordon. Aaron Gordon is one of the top six or seven athletes in the league. You know, I want to send a, note to Chet Holmgren. I go to Costco and get those protein shakes. Yeah. They're great after you work out. Give Chet Hogan like five of them a day. He's got to gain weight. He's a kid. He's like how is he? 22, 23 years old? Come on. Again, 20 pounds, dude. I'm telling you right now, Aaron Gordon is a top six athlete in the league. Ben Carroll is one of the great athletes. I think he's so you're putting him, I think this is a tough assignment for Holmgren. I think he's terrific.

He's a good player. I like him, good young player, but let's pump the right now. All right. For his size, he's feisty. He's feisty, yeah. Let's go to my guy, Austin Reeves. Okay, listen, he had a rough series against Minnesota, okay? We'll all admit that. He was not spectacular. He's outplayed by Anthony Edwards, who's a face of the league. Well, you know, Bill Plashke is sports right around here for the LA Times. Yeah. There's big piece about why the Lakers should trade Austin Reeves for a rim-running big man this summer. This is complete nonsense. I'm sorry, Colin. I like Plashkees had a lot of good pieces. This is garbage. The Lakers, through 82 games

were the number three seat in the West. Largely because Austin Reeves was spectacular when they were missing Anthony Davis. You cannot trade Austin Reeds for like a rim-running big man. Stop it. First of all, the Lakers value him, so they wouldn't just do it for a rim-running big man.

They would do it for a couple of pieces. But the reality is, because his salary isn't massive, it's all got to work. I think you, because you're a Laker guy, do not understand how far away they are. Go look. And again, if Houston or San Antonio or Utah win tonight, the Lakers might as well lower their season ticket price. Oh, stop. What are you doing?

I'm just telling you. You're going over real quick. Anthony, sorry, not Anthony Reeves. Austin reads this year, 20 points per game, four reasons. rebounds, five assists. I mean, he's a borderline all-star. You don't trade him for like Clint Capella or one of these rim-running bigs. Don't do that. That would be foolish. Palinka pushes the right buttons. I think he's going to stand down on Austrian needs. You and I disagree. Now, here we go. This is just breaking in the NFL in the last hour. Boy, Trey Hendrickson has ticked off, Colin.

The Bengals pass-rusher, their leader in Sacks, one of the great players on that team said there has been no communication between my camp and the organization post-draft. The offers prior to the draft did not reflect the vision we shared and were promised last off season if I continue to play at a high level. This is Trey Hendrickson talking about the cheap bangles. You have banged on them for at least two years now. Yeah. About this phony organization, I'm just telling you,

there's a major whiff of fraudulence in Cincinnati, and they're going to botch this, thing badly? Well, it's an offensive league. My belief is, if you're going to pay anybody on the defensive side, pay for a great pass rusher or disruptor. So you pay for Chris Jones, you pay for Max Crosby, you pay for Trey Hendrickson. So I would not pay for a number two wide receiver.

I would pay for Burrow, Jemar Chase, Trey Hendrickson, and eventually a left tackle. So what are they doing telling him? Oh, hey, you keep playing great. Hey, who's got the most sacks? the league in the last two years. Look it up, guys. And they're like, well, we can't, we can't splurge. By the way, they went and drafted his potential replacement,

the kid out of A&M, who had a whopping four and a half sacks in his college career. Not one game, his career. He's now holding outcome. He's like, wait, I don't want this contract. It's getting ugly in Cincinnati. A certain producer on this show is very upset about what's. The good news for Cincinnati is Cleveland's a mess and Pittsburgh doesn't have a quarterback. I mean, they're lucky.

Cincinnati, I'm picking them as a playoff team. simply because offensive coach, great weapons, Joe Burrow, and they'll eventually, I think, sign him. If Joe Burrow gets hurt again this year, can we call him Glass Joe once again? Let's not. There's no reason to predict an injury. Let's hope he doesn't get hurt.

All right. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd line news. George Pickens, the former Steeler, is ripping the Steelers. That's next.

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that left Pittsburgh and they traded him for a third round pick to go to Dallas. So Cincinnati's owner is cheap. Pittsburgh will pay their stars. They paid Big Ben. They paid a Heinz Ward, Harrison, T.J. Watt. Pittsburgh's not cheap. But I was sitting there this morning thinking about Major League Baseball standings where, you know, all your league leaders have a lot of money.

I think in the NFL, and I've talked to my couple friends, you think everybody's got the same money. the Rams who have maybe the richest owner in the sport, Stan Cronkey, the Rooney's are the second, poorest owners in the sport. And the Rams have become the model of the league with the Chiefs, and the Steelers feel outdated. They're literally opposite franchises. We put this on the screen. The Rams and the Steelers are polar opposites.

The Rams have a young offensive coach, Steelers, old defensive coach. The Rams have an elite veteran quarterback. The Steelers have mediocre young quarterbacks. Rams spend their money on offense. Steelers on defense. One has no interest in head cases. They don't draft them. They take them off their board.

The Steelers draft and try to develop dysfunction before moving off them. The Rams have eight playoff wins in eight years. The Steelers have none. So the Steelers, in my opinion, don't spend their money wisely. That said, they have taken care of a Minka Fitzpatrick, a T.J. Watt.

They've taken care. They just spent. too much money on defense, not enough on offense. They're tone deaf. But another reality is the Rams now are going and everybody goes, well, and the Steelers, they never

have a losing record. What are your standards? I'm sorry. The Rams are now, they've got plans for a $10 billion headquarters. They're going to make Woodland Hills, Beverly Hills. It is unbelievable the plans the Rams

have. The Steelers, the Rooney, they don't have that money. So where do you think free agents want to go? So Pittsburgh doesn't even have the best stadium in its hometown. PNC Park with a baseball pirates play is the gym. So this is the difference where you think all these NFL owners, the Rams are building something that will be so far ahead of the league because they have a rich owner.

And they can pay, you know, like again, the Steelers pay Tomlin $15 million, $16 million bucks. I don't think the Steelers are cheap. I think Cincinnati's cheap. I think the Raiders, you know, until they got some money infused into the organization about three years ago, they were cheap. But I think the reality of what Pittsburgh has become is there is a gap in this league, not just in quarterbacks and coaches. There is a gap financially in this league, and Pittsburgh's staring at it is that, you know, in the offseason, when you got to write those checks, you've got to have money in the bank, and the Roonies are old school owners. And by the way, the city, pirates are an embarrassment.

Penguins haven't made the playoffs in several years. The Steelers, no playoff wins in eight years. I don't think it's all ownership. The fans love the teams. I don't think there's a lot of money. And I think what's happening in sports, and you're seeing this everywhere in society, that gap, even Rob Manfred, last time he was on my show, was just exhausted when I asked him about the gap between the Dodgers and everywhere else.

I mean, the Yankees were always making more money than even the Red Sox or the Dodgers or the Giants. The gap now between the Dodgers lineup and the Rockies, the Rockies are a AAA baseball team. The Dodgers are an all-star team in the big. So I think in football, we don't talk about this enough. Arizona financially is not in the same ballpark as the Rams. The Steelers aren't. Now, you can be Green Bay and you don't have an owner. Now, Green Bay, unlike Pittsburgh, has always leaned offensive coach and taking care of the quarterback.

So I think the Packers are the model of what a small market franchise should be. Mark Murphy, very good front office, don't have a meddling owner, don't have a ton of extra money, don't attract free agents, but draft and develop well, and are always ahead of the league at quarterback. So, you know, some of it is the Steelers aren't spending their money wisely. More on that Steeler, Pickens trade to Dallas. Mark Koboli, a very smart reporter in Pittsburgh, significant locker room guys, for all you cowboy fans, got fed up with Pickens' antics, quickly turned off by him. So veteran players were not into Pickens who got shipped to Dallas.

some felt, says Mark Koboli, it would be counterproductive to keep him around. They felt the locker room could turn toxic, so he was bad in getting worse. Not many teams were interested in trading for George Pickens, making it difficult for the Steelers to get market value, yet the Cowboys gave up a third. They probably could have got him for a fourth or a fifth. Not many were broken up with the organization that Pickens got traded. So that's what Dallas is getting. So again, I'll give Pittsburgh credit for this.

They're always pretty good, and they do move off dysfunction. Why they draft it, I don't know. Here's Matt Hasselbeck earlier on Dak Prescott now inheriting a player that comes with baggage from Pittsburgh. If you're Dak, you get a wide receiver. Wide receivers can be a little bit of high maintenance. Comes with the talent level. There's a lot of talent at wide receiver.

George Pickens, in this case, has a ton of talent. huge upside, you give him a chance because ultimately the chemistry between quarterback and a playmaker like that, I mean, you could win or lose two or three games just on that alone. Yeah. Well, I have him finishing third ahead of Cleveland. JMAQ Wednesday is, so tonight's the NBA draft lottery.

I love it. Tomorrow, Tuesday, you're going to see all sorts of leaks coming out on the NFL schedule. They'll start east and they'll move west. There'll be leaks everywhere. expect certain organizations, the giants have always leaked. Certain organizations leak it to get some pub. Yeah.

There's some stuff starting to float around, but we're going to wait for confirmation because people are wrong. We know this, right, about the schedule. There's a team that you and I have been disagreeing on for a while, and I'm just telling you right now, Colin, when you look at the opponents, it's a cakewalk. Once they sign Brock Purdy, you will change your tune on the Niners once the schedule comes out.

I promise you that. You're down on the Niners. You don't have them winning 10 games or sniffing 10 games. Well, they're going to go 0 and 2 against the Rams and McVan Stafford. Much better defense. If you go back like five years, I think they're like 70% wins against them, but whatever. I think the Niners are going to be the team. You're going to flip on here this week.

That would be my biggest guess. And I think if you're looking for number two, the Bears, who you love, that schedule is daunting. Yeah, especially on the road. keep an eye on the bears so what's interesting is you're giving the niners credit despite the fact that many believe the rams are a super bowl team and that seattle and arizona had two of the best three drafts yet you're tough on chicago because their divisions so hard what's minnesota everyone what's detroit ever won 14 games last year i mean they were the best last time i watched detroit play they got smoked at home by washington who's got the better coach

who minnesota or chicago obviously Minnesota let's take a deep breath one's never been a head coach well let's just let's give him a shot let's be a little positive okay you want to have that i was being grumpy earlier today i'll be a positive he's right you you were being a little angry uh let me ask you this who do you have more faith in next year j j j mccarthy or kaleb williams why he's a better player actually he threw the ball down the field in college and had to carry a terrible offensive line and a limited roster. I didn't say who's better at backyard football.

I said NFL football. No, Caleb Williams, every year, two at USC in Chicago, battle lines running for his life. What did the Bears fix? The O line. J.J. McCarthy has thrown over 30 times once in Michigan. I have no idea if he's good. They've never asked him to win games. They asked him not to lose them.

I mean, again, it's hard. Caleb Williams, Ben Johnson, do his credit, said, I don't know if this guy can play, but we're going to give him a fighting chance. Drew Dolman at Center, Joe Tuny. Apparently this Boston College tackle is... Oh, he looks dominant already, huh? He has been dominant in the three-day rookie camp.

It's May, and he looks dominant. Against scout team. You did know last week. I'm just saying, keep your eye on Chicago. A little Homer action there, huh? Do not believe it. Journalism is how I see. it.

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