The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 2 - Right & wrong, Brady

Episode Date: July 18, 2022

Where Colin was right and wrong Looking a the the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and more likely Tom Brady's last season   Guest: Will BlackmonSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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However you may be listening, IHeartRadio, Fox Sports Radio, FS1. So I flew back yesterday afternoon from Chicago on American Airlines. True story. And is they're going through the pre-flight, you know, verbiage, you know, telling you about the plane? The pilot goes, this is a bobbyn. Bob Smith, your pilot, I'll be flying with a co-pilot Van Halen. And I looked at the guy next to me and I'm like, did he say?

And he goes, yeah, Van Halen. And I thought I might as well jump onto another flight. I wasn't talking about love. Sorry, bad puns. But I think my pilot's name was Van Halen. I believe my co-pilot for American Airlines was named Van Halen. We both looked at each other. I looked at him, he was about my age, and we're like,

That was everybody's favorite group. And, you know, in my generation. You think he gets those jokes every day? Yeah. Yeah. Van Halen was my pilot. I thought, this is going to be a wild flight. This is going to be a wild flight.

Was it wild or was it? No, I watched, uh, I, thank God for younger Americans. So I, I had, uh, I had to download an app for Netflix and I bought these Bluetooth and I had to sync them up. And it had not been for about a third, 25, 30 year old young. lady and I said my wife tried to help me. I'm butchering this thing. And she, she walked me through the process for three minutes. So I watched a Netflix show a entire time. Otherwise, I would have been sitting there staring at a wall for three and a half hours.

You don't know how to link your, joy, I don't know. Headphones to the phone. Joy, I barely get through this show every day. You know what I had for dinner last night? Natchos. Anne was at home. We're back on, uh, well, yes, of course. So we have cans of tuna fish, nachos. I think it's crazy that you just have nacho materials all the Oh, always. There's never been a day of my life without nacho materials somewhere in a cupboard. It's amazing. And they were gigantic played. It was fantastic. Then I watched Netflix and I went to bed at like 8.30. It's a good night. Yeah, it was a great night. We call it Colin Wright, Colin wrong in a Monday. Here we go. Where Colin was right. Russell Westbrook's longtime agent, even he gave up. He goes, I'm out 15 years.

Listen, I don't want to bang on Westbrook. He's shot. He's an off-the-bench player. This is Carmelo Anthony. as Rick Bueger just said all over again. He doesn't have the self-awareness. He's probably a great guy, but his basketball tunnel has gotten really small and insular. And this is that weird part for an NBA or NFL player where they've been stars, not just player, they've been stars, and they're highly compensated.

And when you make a lot of money, it makes you think you bigger than you are. But Westbrook is really a player. I said years ago, he's going to age really fast. And I said it about Cam. He's going to age really fast. about athleticism. And here we are with Westbrook. Nobody wants him. Agent says I'm done. There you go. Where Colin was wrong. I would pay Lamar Jackson, and I have defended him at every turn. But his personality's gotten more erratic. Now he's beefing with Ravens on the internet.

They want him to sign a contract, but he doesn't have an agent, and he won't sign it. Listen, I'd sign him because he's special. And I think at that position, whether or not you think you can win the Super Bowl. Can you win a bunch of games with him? I'd sign him. But I'm not as big a fan as I was a couple years ago. I also think the NFL now has these Joe Burles and Kyler Murray's and Justin Herbert's, Trevor Lawrence, that I think to me feel like they can play with a lead or behind more capably. So maybe I was a little too high on Lamar Jackson. Where Colin was right? Nobody likes Tiger more than me, right? But I've been cautioning people. It's Ova. It is Ova. Only seven golfers at St. Andrews had a worse score.

He acknowledged after he got very emotional saying, you know, it's supposed to be here five years in St. Andrews. This is probably the final walk. What we want to be true with Tiger Woods is not true with Tiger Woods. And the other thing we have to all be honest with, and this is not a revelation, is he's had way too much body trauma. The surgeries, the car wreck. I get emotional watching him play now when he does get the occasional great shot.

But only seven golfers this weekend had a, had a worse score. Like the majors and Tiger, it's over. Where Colin was right? I've said, I said this, I think last week, I'm hearing all these KD deals and I'm like, I wouldn't give up John Morant for him. Now, John Morant's obviously great.

I wouldn't give up Anthony Edwards for him. I sure as hell wouldn't give up Luke or Janus. I think these deals for KD are ridiculous. It's not that KD's not a remarkable shotmaker and probably a wonderful guy, but when for a third time you move, off a team. It tells me, I don't know if I can put my arms around you. I don't know what I get in return. And this is what the Warriors felt when KD left. It was pretty well known in the organization that Steve Kerr had said. He felt like he was walking on eggshells too often.

And that's a tough place for a culture and a coach to be. Where Colin was wrong. The Phoenix Sons did sign D'Andre Aiton. He's fine. And I do not think he's a max player. again, there's a lot of guys in this league. I don't think are a max player. I'd rather have him on my roster than not, but I thought the Pacers was a perfect spot for him. So the sons did it kind of unconventionally where they let him go to a sign and trade market

to see his value and then they re-signed him. Now, the Internet says it's very possible that Chris Paul got in the ear of the owner and said, let's make sure he doesn't leave. But I didn't think at this time last week he would be with Phoenix anymore. I thought they were moving off him and they didn't. where Colin was right?

Goron Dragetch quoted saying last week with KD and Kyrie, it's not a team. Chemistry's bad. It's all about ISO ball. This was always my question about Steve Nash. If you're going to get KD. and Kyrie and put him together, which I thought was a mistake, then you better have an elite coach to make it work.

But if you have a rookie coach who's never coached before and two very unique personalities, this thing's just going to become two guys getting theirs, no bench, no chemistry. and Gorin Dragach, a legitimate veteran, came out and acknowledged that they were not really a team. It was just ISO ball whenever it got into crisis. Where Colin was right? I have the Vikings as my most improved team in the league, and I said multiple times during the season that I was hearing that cousins and Mike Zimmer, it wasn't working.

And by the way, that's not a huge secret. Multiple people had reported that. But one of the reasons I think they're going to be a much better team, team this year is I don't think Cousins and Mike Zimmer, I thought it was a chilly relationship and a former Viking linebacker came out and said Ben Lieber, Zimmer didn't like him. Now, Zimmer may fire back at that. But I've said this before. If you had a boss and you felt he didn't have your back or didn't trust you, I absolutely think it would hurt performance. I think Cousins is going to have a very good year. What's ironic about this

is that the Vikings defense, and I do think Zimmer's a good coach, the Vikings' defense was only right at 24th in points. Meanwhile, Cousins in the offense was ranked closer to 12th. So it wasn't the offense that was a huge problem. I think what happened is they lost a couple of close games. In fact, I think they lost eight one-score games. And Zimmer wanted Cousins to be something he's not, which is the kind of guy in one-score games that puts the franchise on his back and carries him. That's not what Kirk is. Many of you don't think that's what Derek Carr is. I do. but Kirk Cousins is more than capable, more than solid franchise guy,

and the story is out now that he and Zimmer did not get along. All right, Will Blackman now is joining us. A decade in the NFL, a wine, Somalia, which takes him to another level on this show. Look at you. So let me ask you this. You know what? Go ahead.

Did you ever have a defensive coach anywhere in your college high school pro career that you thought he didn't like the quarterback or didn't trust the quarterback? I did in college. Yeah, I say coach Tom O'Brien at BC. He wanted a certain type of quarterback in particular. So we ran the ball.

We had good defense. But he was in particular. And I think the first quarterback when I was there who he truly respected was Matt Ryan because Matt Ryan actually bit back at him a couple of times. Right. Like Matt Ryan came in as a freshman. He was 18, 19 years old. He used to cuss out these coaches.

And it's like, yo, who was his kid? And I think he gained Coach of Bryant's respect with that. So I had that in college. And then in the pros, no, not really. Not that I can think of as a head coach because I play with all our coordinators. It is an interesting thing, Will. We saw the last two years in New England. Brady struggle with Belichick.

Pete Carroll struggled with Russ. Flores struggled with Tua. Zimmer reportedly Ben Lieber struggled with Kirk Cousins as the game shifts will to a floor thing is that yeah that's a bigger issue. Yes. Than just to a right. But go ahead. We're becoming an offensive league and I think a

lot of these defensive coaches have a style and these quarterbacks are saying we're making $40 million a year. This is my team as much as it is your team and that's what I feel is happening in the league right now. Brady was like Bill I'm done with it. I'm the guy driving us

to W's not you. That's my takeaway and why you're having these It's a lot of these defensive coaches struggling with these highly compensated quarterbacks. Right. That's why, first of all, I want to say this. I was going to wear a suit today. But I was like, I'm tired of wearing a suit on your show. I'm not just going to do it anymore.

And then also, too, someone said that at like these barcatch bootcans, wear a suit, be presentable. Like, I'm like, that doesn't work, guys. Just be yourself. Anyhow, to answer your question, I think, like today, it's been flipped. Ever since the, you know, the Sean McVeigh hiring, like he did it. perfectly. Like he came in and he hired Wade Phillips, right? He got a defensive person who was a head coach who had success. He was like, boom, I got a guy who can run the defense who's also, but also going to act like a head coach. And I'm able to be the head coach and still run my

offense. And that was the trend that I saw, you know, going on from here and out. Yeah. Even now, you know, he brought in Rahe Morris, who's obviously a huge defense of mine. You look at, you saw what happened in Denver, you know, they end up getting rid of Vic because apparently like Vigranji, because apparently something wasn't right going on there with a defensive-minded head coach. So that has been the trend and that has been what's working because you have these young head coaches, you have these young quarterbacks building that relationship. Meanwhile, I got a defensive-minded head coach who's running a defense.

I don't have to look at that side of the football team unless things are going right. So, yeah, it's reverse. I see that not really working so much in terms of having a defensive-minded head coach. I've always defended Lamar Jackson because to me he's won 75% of his starts. And you can't just judge a quarterback on, well, can he win the Super Bowl? Well, Garoppolo, by the way, led in the fourth quarter of a Super Bowl. He could have won the Super Bowl. He was good enough.

Jared Goff, I think if you get to a Super Bowl, you're generally good enough to win one. But Lamar doesn't have an agent. He's gotten a little more erratic. Are you worried about, would you give him a long-term deal? Are you worried at all about his current trajectory over the last six months in the offseason at all, Will? Yeah, I'm not worried about Lamar. I mean, what's he? He's like 24, 25 years old, which is absolutely insane to me that he's that young.

He's already had this type of success. I'm not concerned about that. You know, he's still young. So he still has to still understand that the NFL is all about situational football. Again, I was on record saying this before. He's still young. and how does he learn more about situational football? Obviously, being in the situations, but at the same time, he has to get better preparation

in coaching. You know, I always look at like that. We always look at these quarterbacks like, man, he has to do this. He has to do that. But I'm like, at the end of the day, the coach's job is still to put him in position to succeed. You know, I look at all those things when it comes to him because he is absolute, a surefire, unbelievable talent. You look at the NFL, it's a league full of mutants.

Everybody's fast. Everybody's strong. everybody has some kind of like mutin ability some kind of superpower but how do you separate all those guys it's the mental game it's the situation of football so he's still learning that and it's funny how people instantly just want to kick the tires on these quarterbacks and he's again i think he just turned 25 years old and sky's the limit he already has he already proved he can win the MVP he already prove he can be successful if you said he's 75% in terms of you know winning in this league the next step is okay let me learn how to win these clubs

close games. Let me learn how to win these playoff games. Let me learn how to actually win when it matters. And I mean, that's all he has left, honestly. So, I mean, I don't, people are, people go crazy about these things. Oh, he's running. Oh, he's going to injure himself the way he plays. That's what you learn to adjust. You know what I'm saying? Like, obviously it's a different comparison. But when I was playing, my first like six years in the NFL, bro, I had like, I think like six surgeries or I was on IR like three out of those six years. And it wasn't until, I remember leaving games, I was always like dirty, working too hard. I didn't make any plays. And it wasn't until I really learned how to prepare. I really learned

how to study. I really understood situational football. And what's crazy is once I learned situational football, I didn't really work as hard physically because I knew, I knew how to be at spots earlier. I knew I can anticipate things sooner. So that's just, that's just the next step for him. And again, he's 25 years old, man. So I'm not even worried. I've just worried about are the coaches going to continue to put him in the best position to do that because I think that's my biggest concern. So Aaron has talked about retirement publicly. Brady, it looks like, was ready to move to Miami. And Joey and I were, I was talking about this earlier.

I think it's once you start talking about retirement, it's in there. It's in your ecosystem. And I've said this before. Even the GM of the Packers is like Aaron's got three one year deals. It's not a three year deal. And so for him to be comfortable enough to say. that, he's probably talked to Aaron about it. And I said, I don't think Tom Brady this year, Mr. All-In could basically, we see a story where he was moving on. It was over. And now he's

got to pivot back to. Well, you know what he did. What happened was he went to, he did the worst thing ever you can do as a newly retired player. He went to a Christian, Cristiano Ronaldo match where he had a hat trick. I'm sure Brady sat in those seeds. And he saw, he saw all that He was like, man, forget that. I'm coming back. I can't do this. Do you think, though, when you started thinking about retirement, like once you thought about it, it just becomes part of it, right? Like, you think about it all the time, don't you? Well, both these quarterbacks thought about it at the right time. They thought about it after the season. You know what I'm saying? So you contemplate a lot of things once the season's over or right before the season begins.

But once both Aaron Rogers and Tom Brady decides, okay, wait, here, then they're all in. So I mean, these these dudes are like in their, you know, in their late 30s, you know, mid 40s. So of course you're going to start thinking that stuff, you know, so it's the appropriate time is during the all season. But my only concern is when guys are thinking about it during the season. I remember talking to, um, uh, Ike Taylor and he talked about a game where he got beat for a touchdown. And he said right then and there, I told coach, put the young guy in. Um, he said, because I knew like that was that was it for me. Like I knew I couldn't do it.

I couldn't play at the high levels I could anymore. And that's where it would be alarming. But when quarterbacks are talking about in the offseason, it's like it's the offseason. You know, they're going to talk about a lot of things. Finally, I am now saying that Garapolo is the most underrated player in the league. So people say he's never available. Well, he was available for 15 of the 17 weeks last year,

plus all three playoff games, which he won two outplayed Land. Rambo and Rogers and led the Rams in the third. The Super Bowl year he played 19 of 19 available games. We've gotten to this point where people are like he's never available. And I'm like, yeah, but when he is, he's good and he's available more than you think. And our guys put up. What it matters.

Well, yeah, like they put up stats last year. He was sixth in completion percentage. Ninth in pass already. First in yards per completion. And by the way, they don't really have a dependable number two receiver yet. They have a great one. They have a great tight end. I'm like, there's reportedly no market for Garoppolo.

And I'm like, are we out of our minds? There's going to be eight teams with bad quarterback situations. He's got one year left. It's not fully guaranteed according to stuff we looked up this morning. Would you sign him to a two-year deal and pay him 25 large a year? No question. And I don't want to say like there isn't a market. I don't think San Fran is trying to give him up.

You know, that's the biggest thing. What did I mention earlier? I mentioned it's all about situational football. He and Lamar actually played, I think, the same amount of games. I think it was like 50 to 53 games, same amount of games. And Lamar is, I think, a 75, 71%. And Garapolo is between 60 and 70%. Like right there, and Garaplo has already played in a Super Bowl,

NFC Championship game. He understands the situation in football. And where do you think he's learned at? The two Super Bowl runs that New England had. He got to literally see, like, what is, like I just need to try to make the right play at the right time and just make sure our team is in position. Yes. At the end of the day, just make sure my team is in position. The hardest thing to get from a quarterback is big game experience, not big game like Sunday night football,

Monday football, big game like as in the playoffs, as in the Super Bowl, like all those things. I even look at the Super Bowl. You know, the biggest mistake was they took the football out of Debo Samuel's hand, like because he was, he was lights out, you know, starting a game. But for Jimmy Garapolo, he has that experience. And that is, extremely hard to play. I mentioned on the show before playing with Favre like okay he understands a plan on where Aaron Rogers. Okay he gets it when I was in New York we went to the playoffs with Eli like he's been there he gets it. You know that's that's the hardest thing about it. When I was in Washington we got to the playoffs where Kirk Cousins you know he's he's never seen it. He's never

he didn't understand what it was like it's different. So for him having that big game experience in the playoffs and the postseason that's the stuff that people immediately just look past because you look at Lamar, you're like, oh, look at his ability, what he can do at an elite level. And you're like, oh, I'd rather take him over Garoppolo. But then you don't realize Garapolo, you know, his situational experience, that's a huge asset to have for a quarterback. Yeah, I mean, he's been on the, he's faced Mahomes in a Super Bowl, Aaron Rogers on the road. Right.

Yeah, I mean, Matt Stafford in the NFC championship. He has been in huge games. And generally, yeah, that Dallas game, you know, that was a big game. Yeah. All right, Will. So I thought you looked really good today without the suit. I like this outfit better. It's more you. Yeah. You know, it's just I'm just, I'm just over and done with that stuff by the way. And any of you do me a favor, please stop tell and enjoy those sob stories. Like you don't know how to use Bluetooth and download Netflix. That's absolutely insane and ridiculous, bro. You got to cut that out. And also, too, you tried me last time when we were at Wollies and you were like, oh, I was a big fan when I said, oh, Michael's, that was you. You were fan-boying like crazy. You're the one that got up.

Yeah, I initiated the picture for later, but you did all that stuff. So don't even come on your show and start talking that nonsense. I don't believe a word of it. You're so full of it, bro. I'm tired of it, too. I'm tired of me. America's exhausted of me and Will's exhausted of me. Thank God Joy is holding on to a little hope.

Will Blackman, as always, Super Bowl champ. Good seeing you. If you go to dinner with Will Blackman, he's a wine small game. where you guys went to dinner is a good place to go too because they have a huge wine selection he is like it's fun to go to a place like that with somebody who really knows wine because you can let them pick it best pro athlete I've ever got a dinner with his will blackman he knows intimidating though oh yeah because then you're like oh like yeah I totally I taste it yeah the hints of blackberries totally I'm like hey give me a red cab or not give me one in there will's all yeah it's from this region in France and I'm like I'm like hey give me a red cab or not give me one in there will's all yeah it's from the this region in France and I'm like like, who, I couldn't find it on a map. No, the Will knows everything. And there are cigar. Do they call them some all yeas?

I just learned this. There are people who are experts in cigars. Yeah, I don't know what they're called. Yeah. But yeah, it's similar. They match it. Had no idea until I went. Match it with a drink.

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It's just bad. Why would you risk anybody getting hurt? It doesn't make any sense. And no one really plays like they... Baseball, all-star games are great. Yes. They're fantastic. I was in the airport in Chicago and there was a Mets fan.

And there's such a good story this year because this guy who's a huge fan, Steve Cohen, bought the Mets. And it's the bet. He's like Mark Cuban. He literally cares. Apparently, and I don't know if this is true, but I saw it on Twitter. Oh, well, okay, I thought it was legit. It may not be.

But basically, he called Buck Showalter. Buck Showalter put him on the speaker phone and he said, anybody that hits a home run off this guy, I'll buy a private jet for. Now, I don't know if that's true. And I thought to myself, what a four guys? Private jets are quite pricey. I know. So, I don't know if it's true. But the point is, it sounds true. Okay. The point being, though, is Steve Cohen and Mark Cuban and Steve Bulmer. Yes. That's how I would be if I owned a team. I would deeply care because I wouldn't buy a team I didn't care about. And Cohen, the Mets don't have the most talented team, but I think it bleeds down.

The owner cares so much that you can feel it as a player. You feel how much the owner wants it. Anyway, this Mets guy had traveled to Chicago for the weekend to watch the games. He was giddy. And you can feel it in New York. New York right now has got bad football and bad basketball. It's got great baseball. And you'll see it tonight on display.

I think that Met guy, Alonzo was trying to win his third straight. Have anyone back-to-back home run? Home run derbies? Yeah, I think he's trying to go three straight. Joy with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news.

I think it'd be a little more subdued as an owner. It'd be hard to be. It's sports. I mean, I would care, obviously. Well, one thing I know I would definitely do as an owner is just pay for the best executives and the best coaches. Yes. Like the best personnel and then let them.

them do their job. That's what I would do. That would be the first thing I would do. The one thing I wouldn't do, this is where I think like sometimes sports executives go crazy. They try to buy themselves out of mistakes. Yes. And we have, you can see it in every sport. Now baseball, the biggest salaries win. But in hockey, in football, you can't buy yourself out of mistakes. Like right now, the Lakers are just a mess. They're trying to initiate moves here. It's just going to get deeper and more problematic. You'd have to cite Kyrie to a longer deal. I get it. It's L.A. And I would probably, and the Lakers are so desperate because LeBron's probably got two years of good basketball left. But that's the one thing is I wouldn't just, I would pay huge money very rarely.

But I would pay a quarterback, a star soccer player. Yeah, you pay the right positions and don't double down on mistakes. But I think there's, if you look around a lot of these sports, there's a lot of money going out to good players. I'm not paying good players great money. I'm paying great players, great money. And the great organizations do that. Yeah. So the jazz have changed their tune on Donovan Mitchell, apparently. They are now listening to trade offers for him. The Knicks are reportedly in the early stages of negotiating a deal and are a motivated suitor for Mitchell. Utah is obviously looking for a hall. They want a bunch of players and six future first round picks from New York. It's stupid. I read that. I could not believe that.

That's insane. Six picks and four players for Donovan Mitchell. I'd give you. I'd give you. It's insane. And Donovan Mitchell is a really good player. Nice player. But I mean, that's such a next trade. If I said, I thought, when I read what Danny Ains wanted, I said, okay, I wouldn't even take your phone call. I'd be like, Danny, get lost. And I like, Donovan Mitchell. I would give you two first and like, Obie Topping, the young forward they like from Dayton, who is really a jumper. I get him and two first. You want six picks and four players? So the Knicks have eight tradable future first round picks. They own 11 future first round picks over the next seven years. So they are very flexible.

Draft pick heavy. Like they have the assets to be able to move for that. But Donovan Mitchell doesn't immediately make you a championship contender. He makes you much, much better. He's explosive. But not a championship contender right away. You still need other pieces. Also, he's a poor defender and small.

You just got Jalen Brunson, similarly, ball-centric, poor divender small. It doesn't make a ton of sense basketball. It makes you more relevant, but they don't. I mean, that's why the Knicks are in this conversation. But they're not. I would give up multiple players and multiple picks for Donovan Mitchell, but I'm not giving up six first round picks for Donovan Mitchell. It's insane.

Plus three players. Insane what's happened. It's still a team game. You still need pieces around you. Now, in negotiations, obviously, you're going to ask for the most, and then they're going to ask for the lease, and you're going to meet somewhere in the middle if you are going to get a deal done. But, I mean, this is a better deal.

This probably will end up being a better deal than whatever Miami will offer. I think Miami is trying more earnestly to get Kevin Durant's than Donovan Mitchell. But, I mean, if Utah does this, they have to completely rebuild. So, of course, they're going to ask for a massive amount of draft picks because they're essentially starting over. The only player in the league I would give up, the only one that I'd give up six players and six draft picks today is Janus. I would give you, I mean, I don't think Janus is on the market. I'd give up six first first round picks and six rotational players for Yonis.

Six players? Who's playing with him? I don't think there's a Yonis on the market. And he's also got eight more years of peak. No, I mean, of course, Janus is the best player in the league. But who's playing with him? Well, no, I'm saying I would give up, I would give up a lot of years. I would keep Chris Middleton.

I'd probably have to give you Drew Holiday. All I'm saying is when I hear these numbers about giving up this, this, this, I'd do it for Janus, nobody else. Because Janus is going to be such a good guy. You're going to get eight more years of basketball. Great culture. Best offensive player in the league. At times the best offensive player.

Then here's the shelf. I'm going to give you a lot. I'm going to open up the coverage and give you a lot. I like Kevin Durant. I wouldn't trade him for Anthony Edwards. straight across. There's just not a whole lot of super desperate teams in the league either, though. And the ones that are, don't have really the assets. Always call the Knicks. Knicks are always entering that desperate phone. So many Patriots players have noted that Mack Jones has become a better

leader in his second year with the team. He's been applauded for being more vocal on the field and putting in the effort to get together with the teammates in his free time. And he's also noticeably leaner this summer. He said his health was something he focused on a lot. He said, I think it's important to assess everything, and that was one of the things I wanted to improve. I made significant strides, fixing my body, feeling comfortable, feeling healthier and better. At the end of the day, you're still human. You want to eat what you want to eat. But you have to be disciplined the best you can. I feel better. I feel confident. And that's what's important. Okay. Another story about how great he is. All right. Well, yeah, I figured you would,

you would like that one. Look, it's not a story necessarily as being pushed out. He's just talking about taking care of his body. And we do like when young players are earnest and taking care of their body. So this is a good sign. You need to invest in yourself. He's a young player, understands the importance of that and staying healthy. And so I like it. So the Texans have reached settlements with 30 women who made claims who were prepared to make claims against the organization, or prepared to make claims against the organization for the team's alleged involvement in the Deshawn Watson allegations.

In a statement on Friday, team owners said that while they had no knowledge of any misconduct, they chose to resolve the matter amicably. And they also stated that settling was not an omission of wrongdoing. and they hope the resolution would bring some closure to all parties involved. Well, it is some wrongdoing or you wouldn't pay them. If you sued me for hitting you on the head with a hammer, I would say I'm not paying you a dollar because I didn't hit you on the head with a hammer. There's got to be some admission of wrongdoing if you settle.

Something happens. Yes. And they settled very quickly. It's 30 women. Well, Deshaun said the same thing that he wasn't going to settle because that was going to be an admission of guilt on his part. And then he ended up settling. So we're still waiting on the. decision from the NFL.

There are some reports that it could come later in the week, but this is obviously an ongoing situation. Joy Taylor, who did not hit me with a hammer, with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News. John Smolt's around the corner.

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on my new podcast, learn the hard way. Open your free. iHeartRadio app search learn the hard way and listen now 22 years eight all-stars hall of famer only player in baseball history with 200 plus wins and 150 plus save so i want to start with pitching so it doesn't take much to watch a game and see players are bigger they're stronger baseball is lowered or raised the mound 24 times or somewhere thereabouts there are 146 guys throwing 95 plus and i've said this before is the sport is good when the batters have a shot.

It's more activity, more base runners, more steals, first to third, second to home. There are so many big, strong kids throwing so hard now, John. When you played it with six and a half strikeouts a game, now it's getting close to nine. Should baseball consider lower that mound, just a scosh. Give batters a fair shot. I think you're on the right track. I think there's other ways to do it with some rule changes that would inhibit the ability to throw a multitude of pitchers per game, which everybody coming out of the pen

throws 95 to 100. I think if you lower the strike zone, you've got a chance that both pitchers and hitters can attack a lower strike zone. Hitters can hit a 100 mile an hour fastball, but they can't hit it at the belt and above. So there are some variances that you can make to rule changes that would inhibit, inhibit that what you're talking about and have some more action. If you limit the amount of pitchers that are on a roster. That's one way. If you lower the strike zone, that's another way. And then you would have to philosophically put your team together in a different way. And that would mean, I would ask my starters to pitch a little bit more and less of the five to seven pitchers per game. So no doubt the guys are throwing harder. Their stuff is dynamic.

They spin it more. The injury rate's still going through the roof. That has not been addressed when they thought that this would be a better way to approach pitching. But to your point, I mean, if they allow the amount of pitchers and amount of guys to go up and down throughout a year, that's what you're going to see for the most part, taking advantage of the rules that are at the current level. Baseball is very unique, where if Mike Trout bats four times a game and he's the best player on your team, the worst batter on your team can bat four times a game. It's hard to separate.

Sometimes in baseball, average pulls down great. In basketball, your best player shoots 27 times. Your weakest starter shoots two. Brady touches it 65 times. Your blocking tight end may not catch a ball. But in baseball, it's different. That often average, if you don't have somebody hitting in front of Trout or Otani, and I look at the Angels, and I look at the Nats,

and I look at some of these teams that I think, you know, like Otani or Trout. It's a bad baseball team. That you're better served getting draft picks and players, and so you have a very even roster instead of a star, and you can't put the right guys in front of them. You can't afford the bullpen. You can't afford a good three starter. Mike Trout to me feels like, okay, Mike, you're loyal.

It's great. You need to give yourself a shot and play with a better roster. What would you do if you were the Angels where you have these two mega stars and not a lot else? Yeah, it's a great question because they do have two of the best stars in the game, and you're seeing that the fruit is not being delivered at the right time. Look, it's always been about pitching for the Angels, and now it's been about hitting. their pitching is actually better if they're hitting, they just can't score. And a lot of pressure on Mike Trout and Shohei Otani.

When you think about what kind of trade you would have to make, let's just say Shohei Otani, which would shock the world and cause an earthquake, you would have to come up with a package that, to your point, would restock your organization both at the big league level and the minor league level. And I think those are the hard decisions that an organization's are trying to make. With the two added playoff teams this year, you would have thought that the Angels had a legitimate shot of making the playoffs and answering that question about Mike Trout and Otani.

We need to see them in the playoffs. Unfortunately, it has not worked at all. And they don't look like they have a fighting chance. Who knows? Teams have gone on streets already. We're dealing with the Seattle Mariners and won 14 in a row. But to your point, it's a valid one. It's going to be one that they're going to have to cross pretty soon to figure that out.

Listen, there are certain teams we know why. have an all-star team. The Yankees spent a lot of money. They have power and and aces. The Mets are fascinating, where they've got one or two great players, but there's just, I watched them play the last couple of games at the series against the Dodgers on TV, and I'm like, I know the Dodgers have more talent, but even without Scherzer and DeGrom, I feel like the Mets are as good or better than the Dodgers. How do you explain their success without Scherzer, without DeGrom? They've done a great job. They spent a lot of money. I mean, but they've done a good job. of the money they spent outside of pitching.

They've got some depth in their lineup. They don't strike out as much. They made some really under the radar moves to improve that lineup depth. And they have depth in their rotation. When you talk about DeGrom, not even throwing yet, and they're in first place. I think every Mets fan would sign up for that. The Mets are

very deep and they're legit. And the problem with the Mets has always been can they get away from the injuries in their starting rotation. And there for a while look like the same old thing, different players. But they've been able to sustain that depth. and be able with that lineup, put themselves in a great spot. Now, the Braves got hot.

They won 14 in a row. Put themselves back in the mix. So it looks like it's going to be a divisional race to the end. But the Mets to me and the best team they've ever had since I've been out of baseball and doing this on the broadcast side. Listen, Aaron Judge is having a monster year. Right now he's got like, one year left on about 19 large. And he obviously matters a lot.

I think because of his staff. his physical, you know, size. He feels such like a Yankee. He feels like he should play for the Yankees. Good looking kid, big size, home runs in a sport now that is very much about home runs and strikeouts. I don't know what the market is for him. Would you be concerned at all? He's had some injuries, John, in his career.

He's now getting older. Could you sign him to one of these three, four million, you know, three or four million, if you're a hundred million dollar contracts? or would you have to sleep on it? I mean, that dilemma has always been there because of his size and the injury pass. I think he's one of my favorite players to watch play the game. You root for a guy that big, that nice, that does everything the right way. I agree with you.

It just seems like he's going to be a Yankee. But when you think about some of the things that have happened in the last couple of days with Soto turning down that contract with the possibility of a trade somewhere or maybe, you know, everyone points to New York when there's a young dynamic stud that could replace, let's say, a great player in Aaron Judge. Look, the Yankees have been really good at keeping their farm system together and having a chance to win it all. They have to win it all soon.

I mean, that's just part of their DNA. It was like the Dodgers, when they won it, they erase that gap that they hadn't won a World Series in a long time. So however that goes about, I think it's going to play out. Aaron Judge should have a monster year if he stays healthy. And I'm up that I believe they will work something out to sign there. But if not, I think a lot of things that you said are relevant. Because we value age and believe me, don't get me started on age,

because I think that's a hard thing to quantify universally. I think an age for one person is different than the age for another one. But I think his ability to stay healthy and honest feet at that height, playing a premium position is definitely what people are going to look at for the length of the contract, maybe not so much the average salary for a year. Yeah, pay them more on an average basis. All right. Fox 7 Eastern All-Star Game at Dodgers Stadium.

It says here the last All-Star game at Dodger Stadium was in 1980. It is an absolutely beautiful stadium. As you know, you've pitched in it many times. By the way, how is it viewed as a pitcher? Did you like pitching there? Loved it, especially at night. I don't know if the marine air has disappeared this year, but so the night air is much more difficult to drive a ball out of there.

Ball jumps during the hot temperature in the day when it gets that way. It's a great stadium to pitch in. Look, I would flip-flop between San Diego and L.A. Because you know you're guaranteed an All-Star game. The weather's going to be great. Yeah, it's on the left coast. But, hey, I think every player, when they get to an environment, wants to know, A, they're going to play, the conditions are going to be perfect.

So I don't think anyone will complain if, they flip-flopped it, you know, between those two cities. Seven Eastern Fox. Good seeing you, bud. Thank you. Yeah. Judge is great. Struggle with health.

You pay them a lot on an annual basis, but you don't give them a long contract. Baseball does this thing where they give people 10-year deals. Soto's deal is 15 years. I mean, that is just the prime of a great athlete, it's like eight. So he's already been in the sport. I'm going to give him 15 years. I don't think I wouldn't want a 15-year contract. Would you?

I don't know, it depends on the... Well, yeah, I guess if it was $440 million, I'd probably... $140 million, I think I would take that. Yeah, I'd say, you know what? My values and morals are flexible. Here, I'll take it. I'm going to get over myself and just sign the contract. The CFOs that get it, get it, the CFOs that don't.

Don't head to netsuite.com slash herd. Special one-of-a-kind financing, netsuite.com slash heard. It is remarkable when you start looking at these contracts. Sometimes I look at these contracts, and I think, what are the average people in America think about these contracts, where athletes are making three and four and 500,000. But in the end, And we're not hanging out with them.

The bottom line is you want great athletes. We love great athletes on our team. So if the owner's willing to pay it... Yeah, I'm not writing that check. That's right. Also, I'm not that talented. Well, I know. That part is obvious.

People get bad. Like, that's such an average person. There's a reason why they're not paying them average money. That's not an average person. Yeah. That's why they earn that. Teams have people, capologists and all these sports outside of baseball. The numbers make sense.

Generally speaking, they can make sense. sense economically on these deals, hour three next. Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy, not quite on Humor Me with Robert Smygel and Friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter.

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