The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 2 - Right & wrong, Chiefs

Episode Date: January 31, 2022

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Wherever you may be, however you may be listening, IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. Colin right, Colin wrong in a couple of minutes. Joy Taylor joining me. Now, Joy went to the game yesterday. I did. And I will say this. SoFi has made. magnificent, but they got to clean up. It's a brand new stadium. They've got to clean up the lines. The lines were brutal to get into the stadium yesterday. It was a process to get in there.

You're being kind. It was bad. Well, it's just everybody's getting to the game the same time, which is normal. Everyone does that at every stadium ever. So it's not like you have like 10,000 people coming at this time and then 10,000 more so it can like all be orderly. And we have to check vaccines and be scanned to go in. obviously, like every stadium. Well, every stadium does a two vaccines, but here we do.

So, you know, it's a process. We just add like 10 more metal detectors to each. Yeah, and there's also something. There's a shortage of people at restaurants and facilities. So we're going through a really odd time. By the way, I went to two restaurants in L.A. this weekend. Very nice restaurants. And no masks and like the rest of the country.

And nobody was checking anything. And I don't know if that's legal. I don't think it is. But the restaurant tours are pretty much over it. Well, look, we. Neither one of us are doctors. Yeah. But.

I know what fatigue is. I am fatigued. And I'm over the mask. More than Willings. Yes. My face is over it. I've like got a whole new situation. Yeah.

And your face doesn't need protecting. Mine covering is nothing. No, this was not. This was meant to be shown. Yeah. To the world. Yeah. I should be the most offended by this.

All right. Here we go. Colin right. Colin right. Where Colin was right. I said Joe Burrow. Burrow. I said this two weeks ago.

He'd be my. MVP, not Brady and not Aaron Rogers. Why? Because Aaron Rogers is valuable, but he's got like a good coach and a good roster and a good organization and they draft and develop well. The Bengals were 625 and 1 before he got there. They're the cold weather facility, only NFL franchise, Northern franchise without an indoor practice facility, the cheapest owners, and he's got them in a Super Bowl. Aaron Rogers was won and done. And Lord and Love could do that. It's nothing against Aaron Rogers and Tom Brady.

But what he is doing is the definition of value. This coach was going to get fired if he was given eight more games. And he is now turned around Zach Taylor, changed his life, changed everybody's life in this organization. Joe Burrow was my MVP. I didn't think it was a hot take. and I stand by it today. But the voting was done before the playoffs, so he won't win it. Where Colin was wrong.

Well, I thought Joe Burrow would be good. I said he's going to be Tony Romo. He's going to be Tony Romo. Well, he's already surpassed Tony Romo in career playoff wins. He's just fantastic. He's got a likable arrogance. He's got an it factor. You know, I thought he was going to be good out of college.

I thought he was good in college. But it was hard because LSU had so many great players. It was arguably the most talented college team of all time and I thought, well, okay. I mean, let's just see when he goes to the Bengals. And the other thing that should be noted, he's coming off a brutal injury, like a really all-time bad injury, and he has shown no ill effects. And by the way, even when Brady missed a year because of an injury, the next year, Tom did not want to get hit. You could watch Tom. He was very apprehensive in the pocket. You'd have never known it with Burrow. He plays as

confidently today as he did five minutes before that injury. where Colin was right? The NFL overtime is fine. The media has to do more than just hyperventilate on everything. Last week, the Chiefs won the coin toss and won. And this week, the Chiefs won the coin toss and lost. The college overtime is hokey. It's junior high.

They don't use special teams. It's just goofy. The NFL overtime, maybe we should tweak it from regular season of the playoffs and give both teams a ball. That's fine. But let's not make. it sound like it's unrealistic. Last week, the Chiefs were unstoppable. They won it and won the game.

This week, the Bengals had the mojo. The Chiefs didn't. Chiefs won it. Gave it right back to Cincinnati and they won. In the end, you got to make plays. Cincinnati was the hotter team with more momentum and made plays, and Kansas City wasn't.

The best team overwhelmingly wins. Tom Brady, by the way, is four for four going to overtime winning the coin flip and winning the game. Yes, because he's Tom Brady. So yes, Tom Brady had the best coach in Tom Brady. When he got the coin flip, he won the games.

But most people aren't Tom Brady. I'm okay with the overtime rules. Where Colin was wrong. Listen, for OBJ, when he went to L.A., I said he's not separating and he's got the drops. He feels like a number three receiver. Well, yesterday, he had 11 targets and nine catches. It has been easy. it has been seamless.

I don't think he's dropped a ball yet. I really, in Cleveland, he was out of sorts. I had a GM text me when the Rams got him and said, our videotape shows he doesn't separate anymore. Well, he's separating in this system. He's separating it so-fi. And it's not just the catches, but they're big catches. He'll go up the sideline.

He'll go over the middle. Yesterday he got popped. Doesn't matter. He really looks. He looks bigger to me. He looks thicker to me. He looks stronger to me. And he always had great hands in New York and he's got him back.

Where Colin was right. I know you analytic mavens hate field goals, but the Bengals now are 12 for 12 in the playoffs in field goals. Listen, I like points. End of the first half Kansas City. Kick a field goal. This idea that threes don't matter. You watched all these games. How many of these playoff games were 38 to 3.

37. Outside of Kansas City in Buffalo. It was all situational football. It was good quarterbacks having bad halves. Threes matter and Evan McPherson, tip of the foot to you. Four years ago, he was a senior in high school in tiny

Fort Payne, Alabama. Now the Bengals Super Bowl chances rest on his right foot. The kick is up. It is good. Coffin nails. Bam! Bam! Bam! That is unbelievable. I like field goals. Where Colin was wrong.

I've defended Jimmy Garapolo and he's clearly good enough to win playoff games and get you to a Super Bowl. But in the fourth quarter yesterday, he looked small. He was three for nine, a pick-no touchdowns, a 4.2 passer rating. And because of his previous injuries, and he was never overly mobile, but he's become a very stationary target. he's also a guy that unless his feet are perfectly set, he doesn't have a ton of arm strength. He just doesn't. He's, you know, whenever he decides late on a play to throw it up the sideline, it is cringy. It is like run for your lives, blindfold me.

I don't want to see it if I'm a 49er fan. But again, Goff, Matt Ryan, Jimmy Garoppolo, Kirk Cousins. They're good enough to get you into some of these big games, but at some point you do watch him side by side with a Stafford or a Holmes, you know, and it feels like we can upgrade. it's time to upgrade. Where Colin was right? Kept saying, last week, watch the conference

championship games. The refs are going to swallow their whistle. Every year, NBA playoffs, the refs swallow their whistle. In the regular season, you got 12 penalties per game. In the first two rounds of the playoffs, you got 10. This weekend, you got

seven. First of all, better teams or better coach, commit fewer penalties. And just like the NBA playoffs. Refes swallow their whistle. They don't want to decide games. And yesterday this weekend, I mean, that Rams Niners game was a, it was wrestling up the sideline between cornerbacks and wide receivers. And I prefer that game on the perimeter, unless it's an egregious pass interference. It's a great athlete. On a great athlete, let them fight for the ball. And, but, but the media, again, can we offer some context? We see it year after year after year.

the further you go, the refs step back. And frankly, the players and teams get better. And there's not as many silly penalties. Where Colin was wrong. Well, my quarterback face bracket, very discouraging. I had Brady who's going to retire and Mahomes who struggled yesterday. This is where I choose the game solely on who the best quarterback is. And we know that it is a coach and a running game.

I mean, the Bingoes running game yesterday in the second half was hugely important. So my face bracket, we may have to retire it. It was really bad early, had a couple of decent years, and just went into the proverbial tank yesterday. And, well, at least I had Burrow in the final four. I had Joe Burrell, and that was the least likely, I thought, to get advanced. So there you go. I mean, you had the AFC championship game, right? Yeah, it's exactly right, Joy. I had the AFC championship gate. Right, and then it just deteriorated from there. Greg Olson, who is fantastic, is around the corner.

So much fun. So much fun. Football is just, and you know, it's going to be so interesting because quarterback now, and you all know this, is more important. And we've got some quarterback dramas in Seattle and Green Bay in San Francisco. And it is interesting. What would you, if you're a Steeler fan, what would you give up for Jimmy Garoppolo? Because I would call him today.

I don't think a first round pick is unrealistic. No, I don't either. I think... I wouldn't do a first round pick and a bunch of players. I think most GMs look at Jimmy G. Like I think Denver would say, we'll give you two, no players, because of his injury history. And I think the Niners would take that. If I'm the Niners, I move Jimmy, I'd take a second.

And then I would draft another quarterback, somebody that's got like a Colt McCoy, like Arizona has. a little bit of a veteran presence with Trey Lance, who's clearly a backup, could win a game if he had to start. Like, not a Gardner Minshue because he thinks he's a starter. But like a Colt McCoy who plays a little like Trey Lance. He moves around. I try to find, like I talked to Robert Griffin, the third yesterday.

He's fantastic, by the way. He is fantastic on podcasts. And he was perfect for Lamar. Yeah. A mentor, new. it wasn't his job, really smart, can help in the room, and can absolutely win a game if you have to play him. So I think I'd move off Garapolo, and I'd probably go find the veteran or draft a kid who is a non-threat, like a six-round kid, but you watch them in college and you're like, he's got a little tray in him. So, but I do think it's time.

The separation is clear. It feels that way. And I think, I think for as much as we discussed Jimmy last week, I think Niners fans are ready. Yes, and I think Pittsburgh works. I would love to have Jimmy in Pittsburgh. If they're not going to get Aaron Rogers, you're in a bridge situation right now anyway. If you don't love anybody in the draft,

he's certainly better than Mason Rudolph and Dwayne Haskins. And now, you want to talk about that division now? You got Joe Burrow. Lamar Jackson's going to be back healthy. The entire Ravens roster is going to be back healthy. Baker will be better. Baker will be better. You're going to run this with Mason Rudolph and Dwayne Haskins?

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a decade and a half in the NFL now a great broadcaster lucky S Fox Sports so you know I'm watching Matt Stafford and I say this as a father of a bunch of kids

like all the stumbles in life they get you ready for crisis like if you live a perfect life and there's no stumbles when you have them at 29, you're over your skis. And I watched Stafford in the last couple of weekends. And that's 13 years of Detroit, trailing late, not having the perfect run game.

And I thought, boy, he is ready for this. He's emotionally ready for this, the meltdown last week. What's your takeaway on somebody who's had this NFL experience, good teams, bad teams, what you saw with Stafford? Yeah, I think in a world where we want to judge everyone in their legacy, and where they stand in time. You know, Stafford's, the word on him was always that he was a stat accumulator. He was always going to play.

He was on bad team, so he always had the opportunity to throw for a million yards because they were playing from behind, and he had Calvin Johnson, and he was going to throw the ball up. That was always the M.O. on him. And now all of a sudden, he gets to go to a real team with real infrastructure around him, weapons, play call or coaching. And in one year, he changes that entire legacy. And I think it's just so important that as we try to place these team, standards on individual guys' legacies, like a Stafford, whoever, so much of that overall team

success is the product of the environment that you're operating in. And sometimes that's, he didn't control he got drafted to Detroit. He didn't control. What if he had played the last five years with McVeigh in L.A.? How many Super Bowls maybe would he have won and or at least gone to? And so I think we get so wrapped up in trying to, you know, evaluate everyone's legacy and where they stand. Sometimes you're in the right place or the wrong place at the right time or the wrong time. I think this is a perfect example of he got out of Detroit, got into an environment where he can excel, and it took him one season, and he's playing for the Super Bowl. You know, OBJ is interesting, because in Cleveland, I said, I always thought he had

really good hands, and I'm like, he's got the drops. And it's like, well, that's what happens. If you don't have an alignment with a quarterback, you lose confidence, you're not focused. I mean, I watch him in L.A., and I'm like, man, he's got super glue on those hands. Like, it's unbelievable, Greg. He's back to being. He looks like a thicker version too, by the way. He just, he's a little more yoked up, but he's seamlessly moved into this Rams offense. Yeah, I saw him in pregame. He came over. We talked for a couple minutes when I had a Rams game towards the end of the season. I just asked him, I said, what is it like? You love it. He goes, man, let me tell you something. He goes, I know Cooper, you know, I know he's the guy and Cooper

Cubs going to, no, he dominates the thing. He goes, next year, he goes, you watch. I'm going to have my best year ever. There was just a glow. You know, when you see somebody and You can just tell they genuinely are in a happy place. They feel motivated. They feel like all their goals are being met. They're being challenged. They just feel like everything's working. Just seeing the look on his face to maybe see how he looked when he was in Cleveland

seemed kind of like a beaten dog a little bit. Yeah. It's amazing when you get into an environment that you feel you're appreciated, you're challenged, you're utilized. All of a sudden, your whole demeanor, your whole outlook and your energy changes. It's not a coincidence that then. production and performing at a high level follow suit. This is such a mental game.

And sometimes being happy, being challenged, feeling like you're a part of something. It all goes hand in hand with the, of course, the obvious physical traits that a guy like Odell has. This really worked out better than I think anyone could have imagined. Obviously, Robert Woods getting hurt opened up a lot more opportunities for him that no one could have foreseen. But I'm with you. In this playoffs, he's been as big of a factor in them making the Super Bowl run as anybody.

By the way, I have always been of the belief that one of the hardest things to do as a coach is balance the, we got a rookie quarterback, but he's not quite as good as an Andy Dalton. And so those guys get fired so often. It's so hard. And then, you know, you look at the Niners, but my belief has always been, if you can sit a guy for a year behind a pro, Mahomes, Alex Smith. Tray Garopolo, then that's the ideal world. You know, but people don't want that. They want the stars. So what do you make, what do you do now with Garapolo?

What do you do? I just think you can't afford to waste another year. And this isn't a knock on Garoppel. I mean, he took them, you know, within one possession of making another Super Bowl appearance. I think at some point, though, once you make the decision to leverage all those first round picks to trade up, to take Tray Lance, you now have a four, potentially a five-year window where you have your hypothetical starting quarterback for cheap, right? You can get, you can get Trey Lance for four years and pay him 25 million. That's how much you'd have to pay Garapolo for one year this year. If you carry that over again,

your four-year window of being able to build around a young quarterback before he gets on a longer, more highly paid contract, you're two years into that four-year window. You're halfway out of it. So the big advantage in the NFL is I can either have, Rogers, Tom Brady, I can have a top five guy who can make up for maybe the deficiencies around him because I'm going to pay him 40 million. I'm not going to be able to spread that on my roster. Or you have a young guy on a rookie contract who can win, but over five years, you pay him 25 million bucks, which in NFL quarterback money is pennies. That's really the model that you see. You need a star or you need someone cheap. The middle of the road guy who can't win

by himself, but you still spend 20 to 30 million and he takes up a bunch of cap space, that's the problem San Francisco is in right now. So I think whether they love Jimmy or not, he obviously played really well and did what he had to do to get them pretty much on the doorstep of the Super Bowl, you have to turn this thing over to Tray Lance to just see whether or not he can do it. Because if he can't do it, you've set your franchise back a long way because you traded a ton for him. And along the way, you got rid of Garapolo who's proven he's gotten to a Super Bowl and he's

gotten to another NFC championship, now they have to see it's Ken Trey Lance come in with the same roster and have similar success. So, you know, I said earlier, it would be if I would have pounded the table in mid-December and said, Bengals are going to beat Kansas City, they're going to end up in the Super Bowl, you would have thought I was out of my mind. They lost to the jets. They lost to the bears. Burrell looked awful. They got hammered by the Chargers. Even in the playoffs, they were out-game by the Raiders. Sacked nine times by the top. Titans, Trail 21-3. Did you ever play in a team?

And it was probably that Carolina team where you're like, are we good? Oh, gosh, we're good. Oh, God, we're in the Super Bowl. Like, it's hard to even make an argument for Cincinnati multiple times this year, even a month ago. They were even a divisional round winning team. In the NBA playoffs, MLB, you very rarely see upsets along the way because they're best of five, best of seven games.

series where over the length of a series, the best team. Listen, if Kansas City and Cincinnati played five times, I don't know if Cincinnati can win that, but guess what? They don't have to. They got to win once. And yesterday, the defense in the second half put on a historically good performance. I mean, halfway through the second quarter, it's 21 to 3 or whatever it was. And you're saying, they're going to score 40.

And all of a sudden, they scored three points in the second half, right? And all of a sudden, that flip, they can't protect the passer. You say, are, if you can get after the quarterback and knock the quarterback around, the team's going to struggle. Other than Burrow, because apparently you can hit him 7,000 times and he doesn't care. Right? So they're just, they're an anomaly in that regard. And I think when you brought up our 15 team, like when you went across our roster,

our defense had a lot of stars. Offensively, obviously, Cam was the MVP. But across the board, we just had a lot of really good, solid players. You know, we obviously had Cleo was a pro ball. center and whatnot. But like we weren't stars. Our wide receivers were really good players, but they weren't Hall of Famers. They weren't pro bowlers. When you have magic and you have a roster that complements each other and there's no selfishness, there's no division within the locker room, that can be really powerful. And sometimes that's even more powerful than just

accumulating as many first round picks and as many really talented players as possible. It just seems whatever Cincinnati is doing, and I think you've got to give you Zach Taylor a lot, of credit. I mean, people wanted to run him out of town a year ago. That three-year plan, you need the right coach, you need the right quarterback who's young, and when you nail both those, you have a chance to flip it. And it seems like that three-year turnaround is kind of the window now of these quote-unquote rebuilds. And Cincinnati's built to be good for a long time. And again, back to our conversation with San Francisco, they're good for a long time because they got another year, if not two, of paying relatively no money for Joe Burrow and they can build the team around

I will say this. I am a big believer in momentum. I did not like Kansas City going for it end of the first half. My takeaway was, I don't care what analytics say. I want my guys going into the room with over, I don't know what the score of been, 24 to 3 years to 24 to 3. I want my guys going to the room. Feeling great about themselves. I want Cincinnati to feel like it's over.

And then you miss the field goal. Cincinnati's energized. Kansas City is like, oh, blown opportunity. And it changed the game. and just I that's where I'm just give me points you know like I said this about analytics whatever they say if I do a 12 play drive and I go analytically go for it and don't get anything and then I get the ball back and go to another 12 play drive I don't want to see those big offensive linemen come off the field 24 plays dominating with no points I wanted a field

goal at the end of the half that's what I felt was best for the mojo I didn't care what analytics said and it may not have been a terrible analytic call your takeaway on some of Kansas City's late half play calling. Yeah, I think end of the first half and end of the fourth quarter right before, you know, the end of obviously regulation, which thankfully, you know, Harrison Buckner made that longer field goal than it should have been to force overtime. I wasn't so much concern that they took a shot. I think they snapped it with what, four or five seconds maybe before half.

That ball needs to be snapped and it's got to be a one look or it's thrown a million, or it's thrown out of bounds quickly and you take a field goal, right? Five seconds is probably right on the verge. they were close enough on the one or two yard line that they probably could have gotten it done. They didn't have a lot of time. But the fact that he threw the ball, in essence, backwards, was really the interesting component that I thought. I didn't mind trying to get one more play.

I didn't mind before the end of regulation being a little bit more aggressive, trying to go for the touchdown and not settle for the field goal. But the second it wasn't there, that ball needs to be in the bleachers. That ball needs to be thrown over someone's head out of bounds. You bring your field goal team on the field and you go. I just, I don't necessarily hate the decision. I'm not exactly sure, A, the play call, and B, obviously, Mahomes has that where you don't, we've talked about this on your show before, right? You said early in the season when they were struggling, I said it's kind of like Steph Curry. If he misses a shot from half court, do you tell him to stop doing it? Because that's his, that's the beauty of his genius. Same thing with Mahomes, it gets him into trouble a little bit trying to make that play. But he needs to find a way where he can balance what makes him so unique and special, which is that the play is never over. He saw it on the Kelsey touchdown. But in those situations, when you're playing against the clock and you're playing in a very specific situation, that ball needs to be thrown out of bounds, bring the field goal unit on, and to your point, go into half up 24-3.

I wasn't exactly sure what they were trying to get done there at either end of either half. Yeah. By the way, I do, I've felt this for a couple of weekends. I do feel like the Rams defensive front is going to be a handful for the Bengals. That's my, I mean, between Vaughn, it was good before Vaughn Miller. And now it's like, I just don't know how blog. And you know, the other thing about it, they're all quick and athletic. They're like not only big, but God, all of them have good feet.

That's a tough matchup for Cincinnati for me. Your thoughts? Yeah, I mean, we've seen Cincinnati struggle up front, more so in obviously in past protection. You know, obviously the week before I got sacked. What was it, nine times or something ridiculous. You know, you just don't see teams win with that model. They're kind of built more like squatty. They're downhill.

They're very physical in the run game. typically it's hard to find guys that can straddle that line and be real big and physical and downhill and gap scheme and come off the ball, but also sit back and pass off twists in games. If you can't do this, and you're not a big sports gambler, but if you are, you're taking whatever the prop bets on the MVP is probably going to come from Von Miller or Aaron Donald or Leonard Floyd. Like one of those guys is going to disrupt this game you would imagine, especially if the Rams can come out offensively and find their rhythm early and make Cincinnati try to match. them possession for possession, which of course in today's NFL means you got to throw the ball. If they drop back and get into a position where Cincinnati is forced to be in must throw, forced to be in must drop back situations, they've got to be really, really sure of their past

protection schemes. They've got to be really, really sure of how they're going to handle Aaron Donald. He doesn't line up in the same spot every time, him and Von Miller are together. Then they split them so you can't slide. I agree with you. I think that's the matchup going into this game. But listen, Burroughs proved us wrong before. I mean, he's gotten hit a billion times this playoffs,

and all he does is keep winning. Greg, it's a pleasure to see you. You even dropped in sports gambling. You are so progressive. You know what's happening in 2020, my friend. You do such a great job, and we'll hear from you soon.

I appreciate it, man. Take care. All right, Greg Olsen, who's just been a jam, a home run fine for us. All right, Joy with the news. No, no, no. Turn on the news.

This is the herd line news. Well, the Chiefs blew an 18-point lead in the AFC title game to fall short of their third straight Super Bowl appearance. And after the loss, Patrick Mahomes expressed his disappointment and not reaching the Super Bowl with such high expectations for the team. The leaders on this team know that this isn't our standard. We want to win the Super Bowl. Whenever you taste that winning the Super Bowl, nothing less than that is success. I mean, it's definitely disappointing. I mean, here with this group of guys that we have, we expect the.

to be in that game and to win that game. And anything less than that is, is not success. So we'll go back. We'll look at all the things we did well, the adversity we battled through, the better, the team that we became towards the end of the season and try to learn from the mistakes that we made and try to be better next year.

He was 26 of 39 for 275 yards, three touchdowns, and two interceptions. Some of the video we were showing is kind of part of the reason why this fell apart. Yeah. Like, we give the leader, of the team, all the praise, when things go well. When things don't go well, you have to get the criticism.

Yeah. And, you know, it's not like Kansas City was some underdog fighting its way back there. I saw you tweeted that. Tweeted that. Like, they expected to be there. And Patrick Tombs was right. Like, the expectations for this team is Super Bowl. They don't get to the Super Bowl and win the Super Bowl.

It's not considered success. And I think that's fair. I don't think that applies to every single team. No, about three of them. Right. But for this team, it is. Kansas City and Green Bay. Yes.

Those were disappointing seasons. For Green Bay and Kansas. Even Tampa, I don't think it is. I'm like, no, Tom is 44. A lot of people like- They wanted to go to the Super Bowl. Their intention was going to Super Bowl. But Green Bay and Kansas City, this isn't good enough.

Yeah, I don't. I don't even know that I put the Rams in that category. No, I don't. I don't think if they lost yesterday that it was a disappointing, I mean, disappointing, yes. But I don't think that it was a loss of a season. Like it was something to build on, and it was Matthew Stafford's first year with the team, and the fact that they are in the Super Bowl is tremendous.

But I don't think there's any reason to panic about the Chiefs and Andy Reid. Like, I'm seeing some stuff on social media today like Andy Reid's falling apart. Oh, God. Calm down. They'll be right back here next year. People forget this. Disappointment, yes. Are there things that they need to work on?

Of course, when you don't win, there's a reason why, and you have to be self-reflective. Tom Brady had a 10-year stretch in the middle of his careers. He wasn't going to Super Bowls. He wasn't winning them. Like, this stuff is hard. Yeah, I mean, that's sort of the dynasty conversation, right? Like, even when you really truly examine what the Patriots did, they didn't win the Super Bowl every single year, guys.

They were just there and in the conversation and competitive and in championship games. Think how hard it is. They lost last second games to Eli Manning twice and Nick Foles. So even when you get there and don't face what you consider is a, Elway Nick Foles beat him. Eli twice made the most miraculous throws of his career.

So we do this and we, our job I think in the media is to add context to viewers. Fans should be hyperbolic. Fans hyperventilate. We shouldn't. Like Kansas City is on track to get to another

seven or eight conference championships in the next decade and they're going to break through a few of them. and win a Super Bowl, I did think it was ridiculous when we annoyeded Peyton Manning with, you know, he could win seven of these things. Yeah, it's like slow down. It's very hard to do that. That's why it's such a big deal.

Now, I do think there were some decision-making on Patrick Mahomes part towards the end of the game that it was very confusing to me. And I do think he needs to, and the artist's description is right. Like, he has to find a way to judge when to bail on the play. The running around, like these defensive, alignment are pretty fast and athletic too.

They're going to catch you and disrupt the situation. And we saw that happen. So you have to know when to bail on the play. And also, Patrick Palms is still a relatively young player. You know, I just thought of this. Both Tennessee and Green Bay, only two by teams anymore. Yeah. At home favored both lost. Yeah.

The teams that are getting through, the Bengals had to overcome, the Rams had to overcome, overcome, especially when you consider the Rams division. And they ultimately were asked to beat a Niners team. They haven't beaten three years. If you really look who's ended up, it's not the buy, it's not home field, it's a little bit of the teams that had these calluses built up over the course of a season. Burrell had multiple bad games. Stafford was a mess about three times.

It's interesting where we've ended up. The situationally tough teams prevailed. They did. Well, Adele's been a key piece for the Rams since joining the team in November. And after winning the NFC title, he spoke about how great it feels to reach the Super Bowl with this group. Being integrated into the plan, taking me in, you know, just pushing me for excellence, the weight room. Everything about this place is right and it's done right. And it's just been an incredible opportunity. You know, the very first game, we played San Francisco at San Francisco.

And first player at the game, the ball was throwing my way. And it's just been that they've instilled confidence into me. And, bro, I'm just, I'm at a loss for words. Good for him. Good for him. It was a rough day for Detroit and Cleveland yesterday. Rough day. There's been a lot of rough days for Detroit and Cleveland.

Yeah, yesterday was especially rough watching that Rams game. Cleveland and Detroit, not necessarily a good look. But O'Dell has been great for the Rams. Let me ask you this. I don't know the contractual situation. I know that O'Dell's a free agent. I'm watching this thing yesterday, and there's no loyalty in sports. If you could keep O'Dell and move off Robert Woods coming off an injury, what would you do?

Well, hopefully they don't have to make that decision. Well, I know, but now that Cooper Cup's expensive, Robert Woods is expensive. You're going to have to pay. How much can you pay wide receiver? Because now I'm paying Stafford, Whitworth. Now, Andrew Whitworth may retire. That would help him. but they're paying some big.

I don't know. The Rams used some other offshore banking situation. No taxes. They find a way to pay everybody. So I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, Cooper Cup is just unbelievable to watch. His numbers, am I wrong on this? He had 170 catches.

Am I wrong on that? Yesterday I looked at 2,300 yards, a touchdown per game. He's astonishing. It is astonishing how good he is. And he's just so subtle about it. He's just out there. If you put him in seeing, they either scheme him open or he gets open.

And by the way, Stafford and him have developed a scary moxie, a scary connectivity. Because that throw late in that game like that. I mean, he's just, he is a remarkable player. How many catches did Cooper come? I saw it yesterday on the internet.

I'm like, I think it was 170, including the playoffs. That's like, having in a baseball season 325 hits it's like it doesn't make sense yeah it's uh to put in perspective odell's been there since november uh in the postseason he's had 19 catches uh 236 yards and one touchdown he had nine catches for 113 yards yesterday i mean the rams find a way to make things work and like odell said when things are run well when you have a good culture oh my god when everyone's taken care of you just make people feel good they tend to want to go out there and

and play for you. So Aaron Rogers has said that all options are on the table when it comes to his NFL future, but there's a new report that could indicate that he's not planning on making a move. According to Ian Rappaport, Rogers stayed in Green Bay for a few extra days after their playoff loss to plot

out the team's future with Matt LaFloor and others within the organization. So it reportedly left them with some cautious optimism that Rogers will remain with the Packers for the 2022 season. You know what RG3 told me last night? He says you got to go get another player on offense at wide receiver, what do you call it?

He had a term for him. He called him HBO guys. Darned, I forgot what it stood for, but it was brilliant by RG3. You got to get him another guy that he trusts. He said Randall Cobb seven years ago was a guy. You got to get Aaron. Say, Aaron, we're going to go get you two. Because Devante's great. He goes, every other quarterback around in this league right now, Burrell's got T. Higgins. Stafford has OBJ.

You got to get him a two to his one because all these other quarterbacks. Brady had him, Stafford has him, Burrow has him, Mahomes has him. You got to get him a two. And you can do that in the draft easily. Or spend a little money. Well, I don't want to get too aggressive out here. To keep it in perspective.

Fox Bet has the Packers with the best odds to keep Rogers at minus 110. Broncos plus 150, Steelers plus 300. The Niners plus 700, which I do not believe is even a possibility. The Colts plus 1100. I maintain that the Colts is the best immediate situation,

but if you're looking at the teams that are in the quarterback market-ish, they don't have a number two receiver. Dealers, Denver, the Saints, he's not going there. The Giants are in a complete rebuild. The Dolphins probably are still in the quarterback market, despite having to the Texans, Colts, as I mentioned. The Titans might be interesting. I don't think they'll move off Ryan Taylor.

No, no, no. That would be a great situation. It would be. We'll see. Panthers. And if Tom Brady retires, the Bucks, but I don't see him going there either. But we will be on watch. I don't think for long, though.

I do think we'll get a decision on Aaron Rogers very soon. All right, joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lide News. Polly long last hour more than a second. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeart Radio app.

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Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. You know, the other thing that's really important, Tim Duncan was the best player for the Spurs, and he was chill, and there was no ego. And so in the best player on your NBA franchise is the first to work, is the last to leave,

is a grinder with no ego, you can't be the second and third best player and bring your ego. Brady would win every year, the off-season workout guy of the year. Brady's selfless, no ego. You is a big, tough corner are going to have an ego? It's like Tom's the franchise. One of the things that's really good for the Rams, Aaron Donald, no ego,

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And so I do think a guy like Odell Beckham comes in or Von Miller and they've got big personalities and they're superstars, right? And they look at these guys and it's like there's kind of an unspoken. If the star isn't a yapper, a talker, a self-absorbed guy, it makes everybody get in line. And you look at Stafford, you're not doing a bunch of commercials. Aaron Donald is like all in on team. Cooper Cup is, I mean, you should hear his interviews. He breaks it down like a coach. There's no flash.

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