The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - Right / Wrong, Daniel Jeremiah

Episode Date: April 21, 2025

Colin tells you where he was Right & where he was Wrong over the weekend, examining the play style of Timberwolves star SG Anthony Edwards, trying to figure out who the Giants could draft in Round One, and more! Plus, draft guru Daniel Jeremiah joins the show!  Where Colin was right and wrong over the weekendLooking at the play style of Anthony Edwards Who will the Giants draft in the first round?Guest: Daniel JeremiahSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And the NBA playoffs had begun in earnest. It was a great weekend. Clippers Nuggets was fantastic. Warriors Rockets good, especially at the end. Keep drying Orlando in the next several years. not at full strength right now Boston's going to fly through them Orlando's interesting

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when it comes to the draft works at the NFL network on their draft coverage and we do it every Monday at this time where Colin was right where Colin was wrong and here we go where Colin was right

well we told you last Wednesday that talented young quarterback, Nico Iamaliava, was going to transfer to UCLA, and it became official yesterday. His family said it's not about the money, and he didn't have much of a market. I think he's really, really talented, but I think it was a big turnoff

that he bailed on a better football program. Now, he is a California kid, so he's bouncing back home. But, you know, clearly Tennessee's a much better consistent football program, so I'm not sure how it plays out. But we broke the story, and we'll take a little credit for it.

Where Colin was raw. Yeah, I may have just missed on the Rockets Warrior series. The Rockets' offense was a mess. They shot under 20% from threes. And outside of Shangoon, I don't know what they are in the half-court set. He's brilliant. I mean, he's got the nicest touch. But Jalen Green, according to their coaching staff,

appears to be a liability. Now, I do think Fred Van Blee will play and shoot better. but I thought their size and athleticism and the home court advantage and the energy would play a part. But in every crucial possession down the stretch, I just felt better every time with the Warriors' offensive possession. And the Warriors also did a great job down the stretch offensive rebounding to secure game one in Houston. Where Colin was right? Well, I predicted Aaron Rogers would be best served waiting until the draft is over to make. a commitment and according to last week he's in no hurry and is not making a commitment.

And I don't think it's a bad decision, by the way, ask her cousins. He got burned on it. And also, the Pittsburgh Steelers, who apparently haven't checked the calendar in about a decade, have forgotten that quarterback matters. They're the only team desperate enough to be really, really interested because even Aaron Rogers admitted that Minnesota's not waiting for him. So, you know, listen, Aaron's talented, but he's, very, very distracted.

Doesn't feel like there's a huge market for him. And I think Pittsburgh's a bad fit, but we saw it coming. Where Colin was wrong. It's not that the Timberwolves beat the Lakers. They pushed them around the floor for two and a half hours. And I think the Lakers will bring in more urgency. But Luca had one assist. Austin Reeves got pushed around.

I think LeBron has to be more engaged. But the T-wolves, baby, were humming from the outside. and it's not like they were just shooting well. They were getting great looks. 42 open threes. Is that a playoff record? I don't know if we looked that up. But that surprised me.

It just surprised me the lack of urgency and physicality by the Lakers. Where Colin was right? I've been saying this. If you start paying Brock Purdy 50 large, that window's closing, baby. And how about Puka Nakua apparently believes same thing. Rock 30, is he going to get a five?

I don't think so. You think he's going to go with a four? It's going to start with a four. Yeah. A high four? No. I think mid mid mid four. A 45? I think so.

I mean, I think if he does that, that'd be smart for him and them. Yeah. I mean, I think he's a, he seems like a smart guy. I think he, like, they're still, they have a chance to still be in their window. And I think if he, if he goes for a five, that the window closes. Did we send them our transcripts? I love it. Where Colin was wrong.

Russell Westbrook can drive me crazy, but I thought he and Yokic won game one, a very tight game, and you got the full Russell Westbrook experience. I mean, you've got his energy, you got his rebounding, you got his toughness, you got his defense. I thought he, you know, I mean, he's not a flawless player. This three we're showing was huge, but you've got to be fair in this business.

I don't always love him as a player. I thought he was so valuable. And you can say whatever you want with Westbrook, but it's 6'4. That dude is a great rebounder. And he has no problem battling six, nine guys in the paint. He loves it. Good for him.

Where Colin was raw. I'm not a huge fan of Jackson Dart. I think when you put pressure on him, he becomes a better version of Zach Wilson. I just, he even went to the same high school. But, you know, people I like in the NFL who I trust. Rams like him. reportedly Dayball likes him.

So I've talked to somebody over the weekend that likes him a lot, an executive in the NFL who I have respect for. So, yeah, I watched him a lot in college. I watch Ole Miss and SEC football and Lane Kiffin and Jackson Dart a lot. I never looked at it and thought, wow, there's a first-round talent. Now, I think he's better than a Will Levis. I think he's better than Zach Wilson. He's obviously a talented guy.

There's a, you know, whatever it is, you know, he can make big throws. but he beat up on a lot of bad teams in college. It was 1 and 3 against Bama and Georgia, and that one winnie had 13 completed passes. But the league, we'll see on Thursday, but the league apparently disagrees with me. Colin Wright, Colin wrong on a Monday. And with that, we bring in live Daniel Jeremiah NFL Network.

You can watch him through all seven rounds in Green Bay, which, by the way, is going to be an experience. I love the NFL movement around the draft. There's nothing like Lambo and the Green Bay Packer fans. Live coverage starts Thursday. on the NFL network at 8 Eastern. I will be absolutely glued. So let's start with Jackson Dart.

I'm a bigger Shadur fan than most. I think Cam Ward's going to be a big hit in Tennessee, so I like two quarterbacks. Jackson Dart's the one I don't get. I've said same high school as Zach, same kind of size. I think he's better than Zach. I think he's a stronger kid. Tell me what I'm missing,

because everybody I talk to likes him. I don't quite see it. Yeah, Colin, for me, He ended up being my 34th player, I think, like 34, 36, like somewhere in that range. So I had him in that second round grouping. And the way I would sell you on him, you know, in terms of the value there, it reminds me a lot of Hertz, you know, just when Hertz was coming out and that you follow the trend line with Hertz. Hertz got better every year. He was a he was a strong, sturdy guy.

He's a gym rat who's obsessed with being good, all the intangible stuff's off the charts. The toughness is there. The intelligence is there. So to me, I think you're just buying that that trend line just keeps on going. And I look at, you know, the Giants of the team that I think make the most sense. I think he's a little more physical than Shador from that conversation. I have Shador rated higher than him. But for the Giants specifically, I could see Brian Daibault feeling like he's a little bit better fit for that environment that they're in there in terms of the weather you're going to be playing in, the wind, all those things.

Well, having worked for multiple organizations in your career and now doing the Chargers Radio, So, you know, I was talking to an offensive coordinator this weekend who I had dinner with, and I was talking about the coach and the decisions made, and, you know, you can have owners' impact. The Raiders are fascinating to me because, and I wonder if teams think about this. So if Gino Smith and Sam Darnold are a little similar, if they're throwing with decent protection and a run game on third and two, watch out. if Gino or Sam are throwing without a run game and the O-line protection is not great, they can turn fast. And I look at Gino and I'm like, you know, if Gino, I like the Raiders O-line,

left tackle, center from Oregon, right tackle from Maryland. I look at the Raiders and I'm like, I can see Pete Carroll saying, hey, Gino with a run game is a pretty B-B-plus quarterback. Do you think coaches think that way based on maybe a It's a bit of a reach, but he makes our quarterback better. And in this league, that's about 75% of it. Yeah, I mean, you're talking about Gentie. Yeah.

Yeah. To me, Gentie, I am as the third best player in the draft. Wow. So from a talent standpoint, absolutely, it makes sense. And usually when you have teams picking up there, the pushback I have on running backs is, man, if your team's not ready for them, don't take him, you know, because you only have six or seven year run with these backs. So don't waste them on a team that doesn't have a good offensive line

or is a bad situation for him. Because then you've wasted two or three of those six or seven years. Like you need to have a team that's ready for them. And even though they're picking up there in the top 10, I can make a strong case. The Raiders have some good pieces on that offensive line. You know, continue to add to it. Another interior player would be nice.

The bears have done their best to retool and revamp their group. I think both those teams in the top 10, they would make sense to me for Ashton, as teams that are ready to maximize him, you know, right when he gets there. And you're looking at someone to help an older quarterback in Vegas or somebody to come in there and try and, you know, look at the opportunity to help Caleb and get him up and running. So both those make a lot of sense to me.

Okay. So what is Gentie better at than O'Mary O'Ampton from Carolina? Because he jumps through the TV as well. But how does Gentie separate from another back, who, by the way, is a home run threat? he's got major burst. I watched them a lot of Carolina. Why is Gentie better than Hampton? Yeah, and Hampton's like my 13th player. So to me, you're talking about two guys who are top 15 talents in this draft class. Now, Hampton, you get a bigger body. You get the durability. Both these guys are incredibly durable. Hampton, you give him the plus side in terms of polish in the past game. So that would definitely go to him size and then the value there.

but just as a pure runner, instincts, like contact balance, shiftingness. Man, Gentie's such a gifted runner of the football. And I think that he can create space when it's not there. I think Hampton's a little more of a crease runner, just give him a little bit of space and he can really go. But, man, I see Gentie. That game that everybody kind of wanted to hit him on, I go, how will he do against Penn State?

And I'm like, well, the five-yard runs he had in the Penn State game where as impressive as any five-yard runs you're going to see, he's fighting off five guys to get. fast the line of scrimmage and still found a way to make something positive happen. So I think both those guys are great players. Okay, I got to ask you, you had said earlier, it's not a star draft, it's a starter draft. There are players, I want to give you a player, Colston Loveland for Michigan.

So a lot of the picks, like 21 or 22 down, are offensive coaches and clever guys, Kevin O'Connell, Sean Payton, Sean McVe, Andy, Reed, Harbaugh. Colston Loveland to me is interesting. He looks like a receiver, you know, but he's like 245, but he carries his weight because he's so tall. And I could see an offensive coach going, yeah, I mean, I could see Harbaugh going. You know what? I had him at Michigan. I can use him.

We need a receiver and a tight end. I can use him as both. What do you make of him? I see all these smart offensive coaches at the end of the first round, and I'm like, I could see those guys. going, he is a day one starter. What do you make of him? Well, as you're looking, I just want to make sure I don't say the wrong number here because I don't want to give you the wrong number.

So Colston Loveland is my seventh overall player. Wow. That tells you what kind of great I have on him. I saw him play live this year. Saw him in person went down there for warmups and you're right. Like he's impressive when you just see him physically. He's an unbelievable athlete. He does things.

Like I have Warren one spot above him. I think it's a weird draft, right? I've got a running back and two tight ends in my top. seven players in this draft class. But when you look at Warren's kind of like that bigger inline physicality, but when you're watching Love One, this is someone who can win at the line of scrimmage. You can win at the top of the route.

I mean, you talk about the charters. I can't imagine that he gets within distance, but I will tell you this, Colin, if you're watching Thursday night and he's on the board, I do not expect the chargers to use all 10 minutes. Let's put that way. Yeah. Give me a player that,

I was talking to an NFL executive who just loved Amika Abuka, the receiver for Ohio State. He's like, oh, this guy, the routes, he's like, he is going to play day one, a total grown-up. And he just went on and on. He goes, and it was funny because he's like, we don't need a slot receiver. And he hasn't played enough on the sideline. But I think in a draft like this, I thought he was overshadowed at Ohio State. So what kind of NFL player is he going to be? What is his comp?

Because everybody I talk to loves him. Well, I don't think you have to go far back. I think you go to the same school and look what Jackson Smith and Jigba, you know, turned into last year when they started to really get him up and running up there in Seattle. Smart, tough, strong. I love the less need is someone I like talking to about receivers. And we had this conversation a couple years ago. he talked about the importance of just being grounded through the catch, like guys who trust their hands, they run through the ball.

They don't jump to catch the ball in their body. They don't gather step. Like they can haul right through the ball. And you look at guys they've had success with, with Cup and with Puka, even go back to like Robert Woods, those guys who have real strong natural hands. To me,

Abuka does those things. And the other thing, you want to run, you want to do some bunch stuff and you want him to dig out a linebacker, and you don't have to ask him twice. He has no problem getting in there and doing that. Like that's a, you know, it's a nice bonus that he brings to the table. And when I tell you that he was impressive at the combine,

I'm talking like buddies of mine that have been doing this for 30 years, say this is one of the top five interviews I've ever had. That's how impressive this kid is. Wow. The, I kind of feel like the draft starts with the New York Giants. Because that's what it feels like to me. What is your gut on what they do at number three? Well, I mean, there's, to me,

I think Choudoir goes three or Shadur goes 21. Like, I don't see the Shadur team in between those two spots and maybe you have somebody come back up for him. But I think that's, you know, he's in play there with the Giants. My gut tells me they'd rather have the quarterback as the second person to speak at the press conference. You know, like you get, we tried out, Abdul Carter. We got our premier player, premier position.

We feel like there's not much risk there. And then now we introduced the quarterback, maybe not as much pressure on him at this point in time. We believe in it. We don't have to play them right away. But we kind of, you know, to me that combination makes a lot of sense. Now, whether that's trading back up for Jackson Dart or whether that's trading back up for Shadour, yeah, we'll see how that all unfolds. But my gut is just feels like, man, you want to get a sure thing up there. And with Hunter, we all assume is going to be gone at two. Then that would put Abdul Carter right in your mix. Finally, Nico Iommaliava is the quarterback that,

that play was a high school phenom, goes to Tennessee. I think he's talented. He didn't play great in the biggest games, but it's hard to play great when you're playing Georgia and Ohio State and the like. Then it's very public. It feels like Dad had influence. He goes to UCLA, which is not the same level of program of Tennessee. Does it matter?

I've heard a lot of people say it's going to hurt them in the NFL, and I'm like, yeah, maybe a quarterback it does. As somebody that's worked around the NFL and is currently employed, Lloyd by an NFL team. Does it hurt him in the NFL year? If he has a good year at UCLA, would it hurt him? I'll just give you a real simple explanation here, Colin. What's going to happen fast forward a year from now or two years from now,

whatever he decides to enter? The teams that don't need quarterbacks and are picking towards the bottom of the draft will critique and have all types of issues with this situation and the decision that he made. Those that actually need quarterbacks are in a position to actually take quarterbacks are not going to give a flying flip about any of this stuff. Like just give me the talented kid who, you know, is I can build with and grow with. All these kids have transferred. I don't, you know, going into the motivations of why they left and there'll be arguments made

what was the offense and some people will say it was the money at the end of the day. Colin, just always remember talent over everything. Yeah, I mean, that's it. Daniel Jeremiah moved the sticks podcast. Thursday, 8 Eastern, and that's 5 o'clock our time here on the West Coast, NFL Network. He and the staff over there do a great job on the draft. It's great seeing as always, my man.

Good to see, buddy. All right. Yeah, he does terrific work. So, again, he likes Jackson Dart too a little bit. So, you know what? It's happened before. Yep. Where I'm wrong.

You know, it's infrequent. But, yeah, I mean, well, I don't, I'm not Rudy. I hope he works. The league is much better with good quarterback play. And we haven't had it? We have seen a dearth of good quarterback play the past few years. There's not that many. And in this draft, I mean, just like at Tennessee,

they thought they had it with Marcus Marietta, and then they didn't. And they- Will Levis. Will Levis. Ryan Tannanhill. So they've gone the draft, they've gone a guy in the league. They've taken big swings on SEC guys. So it would be more fun to watch Tennessee for the next 10 years if Cam Ward's a playmaker.

I never root against, first of all, any young person. But in the NFL, that one o'clock window by week 9 to 10, it's the bad quarterback window because the networks are flexing and they want all the good games later in the afternoon. So to make that red zone one o'clock window good, you want Caleb Williams. We said this last year.

The Bears are going to be in that one o'clock window, and by the middle of the year, you're like, it's not that much fun to watch. So Tennessee's more of a one o'clock window team in the NFL. Carolina Bryce Young, more of a one o'clock window team. Yeah, but surging. Yeah, no, Bryce Young, I thought at the end of last year, played very, very well. So you got a route for quarterback play if you really love the sport, not just your own team.

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Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Colin the Chiefs are coming off a tough Super Bowl. loss to the Eagles and are looking to bounce back to their championship ways. GM Brett Veach spoke to the team's strategy ahead of Thursday's draft. Pick a listen. We always want to surround Pat with playmakers and, you know, the more talented whiteouts you can throw on the field at one time is something important to us and

depth at running back. And look, this kickoff rule too. I mean, ideally, you know, it would be advantageous for us to identify a receiver and or running back that has explosive playmaking ability on both ends. Remigio did a great job, but again, we're always pushing the envelope to get 1% better. I think it's important to mention that Kansas City had significant injuries last year, whether it was Pacheco, Rishie Rice, Paulewood Brown, and the offensive line was never really able to settle in. But I think you can expect someone as shrewd and crafty as a Brett Beach to be aggressive

in this draft, Colin. And as a result, go get another weapon or two for Pat Mahomes. One more note. Andy Reid loves his running backs. This is a very deep running back class. I would expect them to target that as well. Yeah, there are two things they really need to upgrade. O-line and the running back room.

Everything else they're fine. Worthy, Rishie Rice. Listen, they like everybody else have missed on receivers. It's the hardest position in the league. There's more of them, but there's more drama and ego at wide receiver. So I, it's funny. I think the Chiefs will make the playoffs, but I have the Chargers winning the division.

And I think a lot of this, it's not a knock on them. It's just the reality of they were 11 and 0 in one score games, and that's historically unprecedented. So, and I also think the division now, Jim Harbaugh gets another draft. Harbaugh in year two is when he pops, you know, your Michigan. John Payton, another draft too. Yep.

And by the way, Pete Carroll, Chip, Kelly, and Gino Smith, major upgrade for the Raiders. So I think it's now the best division in football. And so just based on that and not going 11 and 0 and 1 score games, I think the Chiefs are a playoff team, but I think they pull back in terms of regular season dominance. I think also address offensive line, to your point, another weapon or two. And again, with the running backs,

Andy Reid and Brett Beech always find running back value. Look at Isaiah Pacheco. They're going to find it again. in this draft, especially given how deep it is. Kirk Cousins is still a part of the Falcons for now, but the expectation, Colin, is that he'll be elsewhere at some point this season. Reports indicate that Atlanta has engaged in trade talks regarding the veteran quarterback, but has been asking for too much wanting teams to pay 20 million of the 45 million

and guarantees left on his deal. Colin, do you believe Cousins can still be a contributor in the NFL? Where do you like him ending up? Yeah, I mean, I think Kirk, with another off the injury, with another offseason, has got another season in him. I don't think it's a playoff season. I think he'd be better served probably in the NFC. The conference he knows, it's a weaker quarterback and a weaker overall conference. But I don't think there's a huge market.

I mean, you're seeing him and Aaron getting older. They have major surgery, and Aaron was struggling early. Kirk struggled late. and there's not a big market for either. Because they're both still pretty expensive quarterbacks. Aaron said last week I'd play for $10 million. I'll believe it when I see it. But that's kind of what Kirk, who's made a fortune.

If Kirk wants to play, he's got to take a discount. Yeah, I thought it would be Cleveland. Then they signed Joe Flacco. It could still be Cleveland, Colin. It still could be the Browns if they don't take a quarterback in the draft. But Atlanta is going to have to eat a significant portion of that salary. There's just no other way about it. And it's a dysfunctional environment, Colin, for Kirk to still be there.

He's not in the building right now. You got Michael Pennix, who you know is the future. I don't like the optics of it. So it's going to be a fascinating draft for Atlanta, also fascinating a few weeks moving forward. To the NBA, where the Celtics took a 1-0 series lead against the magic yesterday. Scary moment, though, in the fourth.

Jason Tatum drove for a dunk and was met by Contavius Caldwell Pope and Wendell Carter Jr. at the rim before falling hard on his shooting wrist. Now, Tatum was in pain and missed the ensuing free throws, but was able to stay in the game. Good news, the X-rays came back negative. Tatum said, quote, he's all right. Derek White was terrific, 30 points. I thought Jalen Brown, even though he didn't score a lot, was good. How about Peyton Pritchard?

You are not meant to be this deep in today's NBA. You're not. When Derek White is your fifth best player and he goes for 30, that's the depth. And you've really spoken to that all year about Boston. Yeah, I think they're undervalued even as a championship team because they're not flashy. They're just deep, well-coached. Yeah, I mean, I just, nobody else in the league

goes eight deep on shooters. No. So, they're just different. Cleveland's really good. I mean, Miami didn't have a shot. No. I mean, Cleveland's really, really good. Eric Spolstra, especially opening games of a series.

You know, Spolstra playing game, he's such a good coach. His hands are tied. Cleveland's got too many good players. Garland, Mitchell, and then you got Ty Jerome coming up, bombing three, shooting 47%. Mobley didn't have a huge offensive game. No. Still really good. I want to give a little love to Palo Bancaro, my Seattle.

Boy, he is a, well, I mean, first of all, we knew he was great. Yes. I really like when Jalen Suggs is healthy, they got to get a shooter. Yes. Like, they have to go on the market and go grab a shooter. They need a Ty Jerome or Max Spruce. They need someone like that. But that team gave Boston a fight.

That is a good team with some real offensive skill. It's just not perimeter skill. Yeah, they're very young. They will be very good. Bankiro's only 22 years old. O'Day High School, Seattle played there a lot. Love to see that. Sticking with the NBA, this is good stuff.

Fresh off of winning the wooden award as the nation's top player, Cooper Flagg has officially declared for the NBA draft, the former Blue Devil and projected first overall pick average, 198 and 4 as a freshman, obviously leading Duke to a 35 and 4 record, Final 4 appearance. You talked earlier about the Bulls. I know you love to see him with Chicago. I want to see him go to like San Antonio, Utah, Chicago,

because I think those are functional organizations. I'll trust him with any Danny Ains run team. I would trust him. I think Chicago got a kid last year, like with one of the seven or eight, seven or eight pick, and he's actually really good. Chicago played their butt off this year despite limited talent, Josh Giddy. And I also think San Antonio would do him well. The Rockets are already so young.

Now, if he went to the. the rockets, they would have a shooter. Yeah. So that would be substantial. But there are teams, listen, it's like I want my quarterbacks to go to functional organizations. Exactly the same. And Dallas, A.D.

Kyrie, Clay. That's exciting. San Antonio, here in Fox, Wimby, that could work. Oh, let me tell you something. If Cooper Flagg went to Dallas, oh my. That could be fun. Oh, with their center rotation, A.D. Caii. another thing

it's Luca that would be if you could if you could pick a team that he goes to that just is wild you would pick Dallas that would

that would be a wild car in the West I'd like that sorry to Chicago that would be a fun watch I would Jordan with the news

well that's the news and thanks for stopping back the herd line news you know it's it's funny when you like in a And in baseball, so much about baseball is pitcher and batter.

So, like, pitchers are never just mailing it in. You know, they've got bonuses tied to performance. And batters similarly aren't mailing it in. You're in the batters box. Hockey and football, you get hurt if you take place off. You just get hurt. But there is something to be said. Like, sometimes in soccer or basketball, you can give it about 80% and kind of looked apart.

NBA's got a problem on their hands with load management. But I thought this week and this weekend, what you really saw, Boston's veterans late in the game, New York Knicks veterans late in the game, Warriors veterans late in the game. Denver. Denver's veterans late in the game. I mean, you really saw what playoff basketball is, is that, and it's kind of a you problem as an organization.

If you don't understand this, the Lakers clearly didn't. Playoff basketball is just more physical. because the NBA is like, listen, we're not going to ask, have you ever seen like a 6-9, 6-10 retired NBA player? They're all hobbled with their back. You're not built to be 6-11. Human beings are not built to be 6-11. And so it beats up on your body and all this travel.

They used to fly commercially back in the 70s. And so, you know, you can't ask guys like Yokic to play 82 games both ends of the floor with that body and that weight. shack fell apart physically. So, like, when you get to the NBA, the playoffs are a different sport. The intensity, Clippers Denver, on the first possession, you're like, oh, this is going to be good.

I'm going to make some popcorn. This is going to be good for two and a half hours. So I thought what you really saw over the weekend was what really the NBA is, bank on the veterans. I didn't listen to my own advice. I'm like, oh, Houston. Houston and the half court set. three starters playing their first playoff game.

Look, they started panicking. Yeah, cancel. In the second half, they started panicking. They're like, what is our offense? So I just thought it was really entertaining to watch. My guess is the Lakers bounced back in game two and even the series. But Minnesota's well-coached. They are physical.

Ant is, you know, ant special. And they got size, and they play smart. So Minnesota loves physical ugly basketball. They're the Ravens. All right, let's get ugly. A lot of teams are pretty. Like Miami likes to win pretty. Baltimore's like it's cold, it's ugly.

It's built for us. New England had that ability. It's like, all right, it's snowing. Come on, Peyton. Come on up here in the snow flurries. We're good with it. So Minnesota, I think, likes the game's a little inartistic, a little ugly. I don't think the Lakers want that.

No, Lakers can be pretty. It's fluid. Two, three, driving kicks. Minnesota shoot threes, but they'll bang. They are tough. And I thought Edwards, man, you said it improving the shooting every year, now shooting almost 40% from three, that number for me, when I think about everything else he does, that speaks to the work he's put in.

And he's got to be one of the two or three best closures in the league. And it's very hard. Like, when you're 22 and 23 years old and you are as gifted as Aunt Edwards, think about how gifted he is. He can do anything in the court. You know, one of the hardest things to be is patient. And I thought he just showed patience. He didn't rush things.

That's real maturity. And now some of this goes to Minnesota and how they've developed him. A lot of it just goes to Aunt Edwards. That three, four years ago, nobody in the league would have taken Ant over Jha. I mean, we put the stats up earlier. Jah was the better player, and he was exciting. Jaws not as good as he was three years ago. and Ant is significantly better.

And Aunt Edwards just deserves credit for the time and the work he has put into his game. So the downside to bring in guys to the NBA at 19 years old, they're not ready to play. You've watched Houston. They're not ready to play. But look at Jalen Green, who's got tons of talent. Like, what is his game? I don't know what his game is. Offensively.

What is his game? He can't put him at point. He's not a shooter. Aunt Edwards is no, and he was good as a rookie. He is noticeably a much more refined player. And that kid, here was LeBron, by the way, after the loss. Maybe it took us one playoff game to now get a feel forward. I didn't know what the type of intensity, the type of physicality is going to be brought to the game.

But that's just the way they play. So we should be more than prepare for that on Tuesday night. He could be right. He could absolutely be right. We'll see. Live in L.A. It's the herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd. weekdays at noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific.

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Saturday at 4 Eastern on Fox. I don't know what it is. Maybe it's as a kid. I like to build forts or I thought about majoring in architecture. I love the draft. I always have. I just like the way you build teams. It's so much fun to me.

So the draft to me is I think there's certain teams like the Raiders. Very interesting. Like I know what certain teams are going to do. I know the chargers are going to get more juice offensively. They're going to go get a receiver, a tight end, a running back, an interior alignment. Everybody in the world knows that every mock draft of the Chargers is. They're loading up on offense because their defense is good enough. They'll go get a rush end because, you know, Bose has gone now.

But by and large, you know what certain teams are going to do. For instance, Denver, I think, wants a running back. What's another tight end? Sean Payton wants more toys, you know, for Bo Nix. I think Washington wants to get, you know, they got Debo Samuel, Terry McLaren, my guess is Washington tries to shore up their offensive and defensive lines so they can compete with the Philadelphia Eagles in their division. If I was Washington, I'm like, I got McLaurin and Debo and Jaden Daniels.

We're not beaten Philadelphia if we don't get a better line and a better D-line. So I think Washington's fairly predictable where they're going to go. I think the Chargers are. I think Denver is. So what it's interesting is like, what do you do with Jackson Dart? He's obviously talented. He's a draftable player. I don't really see him as a first round player.

But I also think he's got a good arm. He played in the SEC. He won big games. He learned a lot from Lane Kiffin, who's a very smart offensive coach. And the people that I trust and respect, they like him more than I do. And so here's what Daniel Jeremiah,

former NFL scout, here's what he sees. The way I would sell you on him, you know, in terms of the value there, it reminds me a lot of Hertz, you know, just when Hertz was coming out and that you follow the trend line with Hertz. Hertz got better every year. He was a strong, sturdy guy.

He's a gym rat who's obsessed with being good, all the intangible stuff off the charts. The toughness is there. The intelligence is there. So to me, I think you're just buying that that trend line just keeps on going. I could see Brian Daibald feeling like he's a little bit better fit for that environment that they're in there in terms of the weather you're going to be playing in, the wind, all those things.

So most teams in the NFL, there are very few teams that aren't good anything. I mean, just think about this. The Chicago Bears don't win a lot, but actually offensively, they got good players. I mean, they got interior line, right tackle, wide receiver, tight end running back. Bears could use another running back, but they got good dudes. They got a lot of good dudes. I think Chicago is going to load up on the defensive side. If I was Chicago, I'd get another pass rush from another corner, another linebacker. I would load up on defensive players. They're doing it the right way in Chicago. They hired an offensive coach, and they're spending money on offense. What they have to do after SWAT, the defensive lineman is they've got to get cheap on defense.

That's what Kansas City does. They'll play Chris Jones. It's what the Rams do with Aaron Donald. We'll pay one great defensive player. But in this league now, the kind of trend is we're going to buy offense. We'll spend money on the – now the Steelers are the opposite, and the Steelers are no longer Super Bowl viable. So I think the Bears have shown their hand. Joe Tunney, Drew Dolman, Keenan Allen, DJ Moore. they're going to pay Cole Kamat. They paid him. They paid him. Oh, they did? Okay. So the bottom line is Chicago's like, hey, we're paying offense. We don't want to be patient. We want to give Caleb William guys that could play now.

Let's go get young, twitchy, fast, and inexpensive on defense. So I think the bears go heavy defense. Then you get these teams, like the New York Giants, where you're like, what are they good at? And what they're good at is the defensive line. And I like their offensive coach. So the Giants could use a lot. They've got a level. tackle I love, but he gets hurt. They have a wide receiver I like, but he can be a bit needy. So to me, if the Giants want to compete against the Philadelphia Eagles and they want to make

up ground on Washington, you're not doing it with Abdul Carter. You're doing it with a quarterback. So if you want to trade down and get Jackson Dart, I'm all for that. I would, I would take Shadur Sanders. And people say, well, you'd be reaching on him. I get it. But it's like, First of all, having been in a draft room, when a team is getting ready to draft, let's say it's like the third round. They don't go necessarily in exact order, right? A general manager's got six guys that are basically, you know, let's say it's five to six guys. You're drafting 113th.

Okay, you're in the fourth round. And all of a sudden it's like late third round and you're like, we need a tied end. But he's six players away grade-wise from this spot. You take the tight end. It's what you need. When you go to the grocery store, you're not buying value. You're buying what you need. Your kids want milk.

They want pancakes. Well, the rake is on sale. We've already got a rake. You need milk. You're making pancakes at Sunday morning. So to me, I am willing to reach, when I'm not a good football operation, and right now I am the fourth best quarterback team in the division, I don't think Abdul Carter's changing the temperature.

I think Shador Sanders is. Now, if you want to trade back, I get no problem. I think the Giants would absolutely trade back. But Russell Wilson's not the long-term solution. Either is James Winston. So now they may just think to them. I really believe, truthfully, the Giants would love to trade back. And I think a lot of people would, but if...

coming up. That's the problem. New Orleans? Yeah, but New Orleans at nine from everything I've heard is not going to go quarterback. So if Shador's on the table at nine, I still don't think necessarily he's locked into that pick. So if like Daniel just said, it's either three with the G-Men or it's 21 with the Steelers in terms of Sanders. I don't think they're going quarterback at nine. So who's coming up to get a guy they might not, see how that? So this is that type of draft where not a lot of people want to come up. Yeah. Certainly not in the top 10 pick. So here's Daniel Jeremiah, a former NFL scout for three teams on Shadur Sanders, where he could land.

To me, I think Shadur goes three or Shadur goes 21. Like, I don't see the Shadur team in between those two spots, and maybe you have somebody come back up for him. But I think that's, you know, he's in play there with the Giants. My gut tells me they'd rather have the quarterback as the second person to speak at the press conference. You know, like you get, we tried out, Abdul-Carter. we got our premier player premier position we feel like there's not much risk there and then now we introduced the

quarterback maybe not as much pressure on him at this point in time we believe in and we don't have to play him right away that's it that's really interesting in New York that your press conference is much better if we've got an absolute lock Abdul Carter oh we got we got Jackson

Dart at the top of the second round that's that's not in New York and he doesn't have to play any year That's not bad thinking. It's really easy to say we got Abdul Carter, because nobody's going to criticize taking him at three. He might be the best player in the draft.

And you have Russell Wilson as your starter. But if you take Sanders at three, it might be harder to sell that, especially if you know you can get Dart or McCord in the second or maybe third round. I like McCord. I know he. I'm told he is more late third, early fourth round. Yeah. I like him.

My guys don't like him. much as I like them too. Yeah. He's productive. Paul Pierce, after a really fun opening NBA playoff week, are the Lakers really in trouble? Because I'll tell you this, the Houston Rockets, they are. They are officially in trouble. And so is Memphis.

That series is over today. Hour three next. Hey, guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what?

We created our own podcast called, called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it, but, you know, tired and sick.

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