The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 2 - Right & wrong, Davis

Episode Date: June 13, 2022

Where Colin was right and wrong Anthony Davis continues to show he's not dedicated to basketball    Guest: Tom IzzoSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Find your local station for the herd at Fox Sports Radio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Herd. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Ah, here we go. Our number two, hour one flew by in a Monday, live in Los Angeles. It's the herd wherever you may be. However, you may be listening, IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, FS1. Tom Mizzow, the winningest basketball coach in Big Ten history, has had 22 NBA players come out of East Lansing. He'll be joining us in 10 minutes.

Great Tom Izzo, National. champ, eight final four appearances, eight times national coach of the year, and you've seen him at a few of these games. I think Draymond's getting tickets. Although Tom could probably get his own tickets. He's got some pool around some places. Yeah, he's got some connection. I wouldn't be surprised if Dremon gets some tickets,

though. Dremont's good dude. Great podcast. I was talking to some friends this weekend, and they were asking me about the NBA playoffs. They were like, why is everyone so close to the players? It's so weird. Every other sport You know, like soccer.

They've got their own like hotel. Like they're all covered. Footballers fans nowhere near. Like there's like literally a professional athlete and then next to them is a person that bought that ticket. And that's what your casual sports fan friends say. Yeah. I was like I yeah.

When you say it like that, it's insane. It's really crazy that the proximity that just fans have to NBA players. Well, and I think I think when you watch the telecast, you can feel that. That's the energy I feel when I watch an NBA game. I mean, let's be honest. But I'm talking about like where the benches are. Oh, I know. Everywhere else is fine.

But like, they do kind of have a point. I've always thought it's crazy that like when you see like as you go down the bench, there will be someone who's in street clothes because they're injured or whatever just like sitting next to the team. Or even not like just the guy at the end of the bench right next to him. Like we're rubbing thighs with another for the fan. Yeah. And those are very, very expensive seats. Yes.

And so as players salaries of skyrocketed, owners have. said, could you give me 40 of those? See, used to be the play-by-play guys were on the floor. Right. They booted those guys upstairs. See ya. No, it's great. Colin Wright, Colin wrong on a Monday.

Plenty of both. Here we go. Where Colin was right. I told you before the finals, I said, all this criticism of Steph Curry, he has to be MVP to validate himself. It's just nonsense. On my all-time teams, he'd be the point guard on the second team. He's the greatest shooter and ball handler of my life.

He's the leading score every game. The gap between him and the second best player, Jason Tatum, is the Grand Canyon. The Curry critics at this point, it's like the LeBron critics. Stop. You're looking for attention. You're not looking for the truth. He's an unbelievable basketball player, culture setter. And as Steve Kerr said this weekend, the guy is everybody as good as the player.

And that's where it all starts when you create a culture. That's why you can do it with Russell Wilson or you can do it Brady or LeBron. The guy is where the culture starts. just his ability to make shots. Where Colin was raw. Before the series, I listed the top 10 players in the series. I had Draymond Green number five, but by his own admission, he's had a bad finals. He's averaging about four a game.

He looks really reluctant offensively, and he's shooting 23%. Now, he's still good on the glass, a very good rebounder, and I think Friday he had eight or nine assists. So he gives you a lot of what he always gives you, but offensively, he looks. tentative and that is just not his game. Where Colin was right? I had said about Jason Tatum, he verbalizes his self-doubt.

And players know that and he'll go after it. And that's exactly what has happened. He's shooting 34% in the series. You've got to keep some things to yourself. And Jason Tatum has said on two different occasions, I don't know if I'm the guy. I'm not a superstar. Yeah, the Warriors hear that.

And I think when you start verbalizing stuff, it kind of manifests itself and becomes reality. And I think Jason Tatum is a star and I'd really like him as a player. The next 10 years, he, Luca Janus, give him to me. But there are limitations to his game and I think some of it is upstairs. He is not nearly as confident as many of the greats. Where Colin was wrong. Boy, was I wrong when I said this on this show in May of 2021.

You look at the contracts next year between Clay, Dray, Dremond, Wiggins, and Steph, it's $139 million. You've got to blow this team up. It's over. You can't live in the rearview mirror with the Warriors. It's over, and it's time to just dismantle this puppy. Yeah, that's not right. That would classify as wrong.

Where Colin was right? I've been a critic of Anthony Davis since the year after the bubble championship. He came back out of shape. Listen, if you're not going to touch a basketball, which he admitted this weekend for two months, just don't say it. You've got to know the temperature in the room. Nobody wants to hear that. The Lakers privately were really disappointed when he came in out of shape post-bubble championship. That was going to be his team, the baton from LeBron.

That's not who he is. It's why Darvin Ham is reportedly bringing in Rashid Wallace. Sometimes nobody's saying you have to be everything. but he's now acknowledging a concern inside the Lakers organization. By the way, when he was on the market, the Clippers weren't as interested. I was told this by somebody inside the Clippers. These were the concerns of the Clippers is that he doesn't want to play hurt and he's not really a grinder.

And they felt Kauai Leonard, though he had injury issues, was more of a grinder and you could count on him in big games. So he just verbalized what the Lakers have been concerned about for the last couple years. where Colin was wrong. Zion Williamson. I've never thought he's a great fit in football crazy Louisiana. Said it again this week. He said, I want to be a pillar of the community.

I want to play for New Orleans. And New Orleans doubled down saying, yeah, it's easy. He's going to get a max deal. Wow. I wouldn't be comfortable giving somebody with weight issues and injury concerns who's played 38% of his games at Max's contract. And I love Zion.

When Zion plays well, it makes my show. I'm a huge fan of Zion Williamson. But there's a lot of players in all sports I love. If you can't stay healthy and you're not available, there's not much I can do. And then you're going to create resentment. You're not available. You're hogging up cap space. I'm wrong on that.

Zion wants to be there and they want to pay him a max. Where Colin was right. Saturday on a podcast, Devante Adams acknowledged the reason he didn't go back to Green Bay wasn't money. They offered him more. It wasn't that he was going to a better quarterback or a better organization or an easier division. Devante Adams admitted Aaron talked about retirement a bunch, and I didn't want to tie my career to somebody that may retire after a year. And that has been my criticism of Aaron's retirement talk. Keep it to yourself. When Aaron talks about maybe retiring in a year, why would you, knowing what you're watching in practice with Jordan Love, why would you as an

offensive players sign up for that. I mean, many pro athletes in Green Bay already feel like they're sacrificing certain things, social life, branding opportunities to play there. Okay, but at least we got Farr or we got Aaron Rogers, we'll win in a bad division. Well, if Aaron's not there, so I'm not winning, and I'm sacrificing all these things. This is where Tom Brady has always understood his words have impact. So even when he was going to leave a year before he left New England, he kept it to himself. Where Colin was right.

Cooper Cup and Aaron Donald both signed last week with the Rams. Forget America's team. U.S. players around the league, even the ones like Vaughn Miller who come to the Rams, win a Super Bowl, and leave. They talk about the culture and how the Rams treat their players. this is right now America's team. They're not the most popular team, but from owner to coach, we've been on this now for two years. They have figured out you don't play stars in the preseason. You don't pay everybody.

You are willing to move off players, but you pay your stars, you draft well, therefore allowing you to go big with guaranteed money. The Rams continue to be the team in the NFL that players want to be. to play for given an option. I know. Nobody wants to live in California. Well, apparently NFL guys do. So Cooper Cup and Aaron Donald. And we told you the Aaron Donald threats that he may retire. And I don't blame players for doing this. He was angling for a better contract. It's never bothered me. I understand the game. We all understand the game behind the game. But the Rams have signed him up. All right. Game five tonight. I've had so much fun watching this series. It's been so absolutely fantastic. And I think it's really, really close tonight.

You know, we do this. We kind of, you know, first of all, confirmation bias. What you thought going in, I thought the Warriors would win in six. So I'm thinking in my mind, well, I pick them in six and I want my picks to be right. So the Warriors are going to win tonight, right? And then I'm thinking, no, I also said that I think Boston's Robert Williams, if he plays 30 minutes, they're going to beat the Warriors. So I'm thinking, all right, so if Robert Williams is on the floor tonight,

I want him to be great. what we're seeing is really, really fascinating basketball. I said this earlier. Tom Izzo has not only been the eight final four appearances, eight-time coach of the year, Big Ten's winning as coach, national champion, Coach Draymond Green. He's coached 22 NBA players. And to me in the Midwest, it is the basketball school of note

and one of the top five programs under Izzo in the country. And Tom's joining us now live. First of all, I see on TV all the time, you get those great seats, and I said to Joy, I said, is Tom getting those or is Draymond getting those for Tom? Who's getting your seats, Tom? Just depends what arena I'm in, Colin. If I met Memphis, it's Sharon Jackson, but if I'm in Golden State, it's been Draymont. He's been great, and it's been all good.

So I want to go back to when you recruited Draymond Green, a big kid. You obviously saw something. He was a very good athlete. Did you envision what he's become? No. Hell no. You know, he's been a lot better than I thought he would be. I thought he'd be a very good player.

But I think his basketball IQ and maybe the system is that he's in, you know, I think Steve Kerr, Bob Meyer, those guys done a great job with Dre. And I think, you know, Steph and Clay, I mean, that group has been together, you know, unlike college now, where we seem to have Transfer Central. If you look at Golden State, they've got guys that have been there seven, eight, nine, ten years, including the coach, the general manager. So they've been different than most franchise. They've kept everybody pretty much together.

You know, it's interesting with Draymond. You don't want to ever coach, I imagine, the gift out of a player. Like, you know what was Steph Curry, he's going to take some bad shots, right? Like, whatever. Like with Draymond, he's highly emotional. Sometimes he goes a little off the rails when he was at Michigan State. How did you coach him not wanting to take away his passion, Tom, but knowing sometimes he was combustible?

Well, Colin, there were some days. There were some timeouts that were real interesting, as you can imagine. Some of those huddles were legendary, you know. Players still talk about him. But, you know, he's really, you have to be a round. him to appreciate him. And I say that with great respect. I mean, I told him after, I think it was game, you know, late games of the last series. I thought he let the officiating get to him. And he agreed, you know, he's, he is very smart. Yes, he's emotional, but he's smarter than

people give him credit. Some of it is, uh, is part of the stick, you know, it's part of what he does. But I promise you, um, winning is at the front. of his radar. He just, winning is the most important thing to him. And he's a tough kid. He's like the hockey guy, you know,

somebody's got to have a protector for Curry and Clay. Raymond's the protector. That's what he is, you know? He's the Bob Probert of modern day basketball. Oh, drops the Red Wings reference. We love that on the show.

So when you look at these series and you're sitting in the arena and you're watching these series, it is interesting. Jason Tatum's a fascinating. player, that he has verbalized twice some self-doubt. I don't know if I'm a superstar. I didn't know a year ago if I could lead these guys. And I said, sometimes I'd like players to keep stuff to themselves. I don't want you to say that. And did you ever, because Tatum's a tremendous player, he's got a Hall of Fame career ahead of him. But did you ever have players,

Tom, that you had more confidence in than they had in themselves? Well, I think that's very true, especially this day and age with the social media killing these guys like it does, and sometimes talk show hosts like yourself. But, you know, I think because of that, there is some self-doubt with more players than you would think. Now, when you say you don't want Tatum like that, I recruited Tatum a little bit here. Didn't pan out for us. Coach Kay went out on that. But I think you'd almost rather that sometimes than the guys. guy that's so cocky and arrogant.

Right. So there's a, there's a mix, you know, and this day and age, trying to find that balance is getting a little more difficult. But, you know, Draymont doesn't necessarily have confidence in his shot, but he does have confidence in everything else and his ability to win. And I think Tatum in his first final, I think that team's done an incredible job, too. I love their coach, you know, the toughness he brings. And Brown has done a great job.

They've done a good job inside with Williams. So they've got a good team, a very good team. But the Warriors still got that championship medal, as they say. And boy, Steph Curry sure did show that the other night. Yeah, do you remember, I don't have your schedule in front of me, it wouldn't shock me if you played Davidson out of conference or something. When did you first see, Tom? When did you recruit Steph Curry? Did you see him in college?

When did you first see him? I did see him in college. Unfortunately, not soon enough. We did not play against him. We played him last year, and I think he was betting against us. So thank God, Bramont won a little money in that deal.

But I think in general, I saw Step Curry play Iowa when they upset him in the palace. And he was phenomenal then. At the last time I was out there, I happened to sit right next to his dad, Del Curry. And, you know, you can just see where it all comes from. I mean, you've got to love the way the guy is.

He's confident but not cocky. He's so together. And yeah, there'll be a pass now and then you say, wow, we're a shot now and then. But some of those bad shots, Colin, he makes him. That's the problem, you know. And so his percentages have been just off the charts. And I enjoyed watching him.

He played for a great college coach. And I enjoyed watching him in college. And I've really enjoyed watching them in the NBA. You know, Tom, I've been on this kick for about, two years where I have said on the air, let's stop demonizing college basketball. Is the only reason I know who Zion is is because of Duke? And I know if I had a son, he's going to get a better coach in college at a top 15 program than probably G league, least more experience.

He's going to have unbelievable marketing. That's where the NFL is always understood. That college football is a wonderful marketing platform for the NFL. NFL. And for some reason, the NBA kind of demonizes college basketball. And I think if I was a player, and what's funny is, as I watch a lot of these NBA players now, more and more I'm hearing them talk about, no, I want to go to college for a year. College is kind of cool. We see the ratings of March Madness were fantastic. When you recruit top players now, do you feel there's a little pivot to college basketball again is seen as a place. It's good for your brand, your marketing,

the coaching, the growth. How is it, how is it right now for you to recruit top players? Well, I think you're right. You know, I suppose the NIL has helped that a little bit. But, you know, I think, you know, the G League, I mean, I'm not as big a fan of it, but it's, it seems to be working for the NBA. But college basketball is still special, you know. And I think college in general. I mean, I talk to my buddy Mariucci all the time. I was with them last weekend when I was out in San Francisco and we still, what's the first thing we talk about? Our college days. You know, I'm sure you do the same thing. I feel bad for kids that are missing out on college because college, it's not just the sports part of it. It's the growth. It's the friendship. It's the people

you meet. I mean, a lot of times you go to college, you meet the girl you marry, you meet your best friends that you stay with for life. And I think that I'm not sticking up for college. I love the MBA too, but I do think there's a maturation and a growth process right now seems to be missing a lot in our society. You know, there is a process to getting to where you get. And when you skip part of that process, I think it hurts you in the long run. Yeah, I'm reading a book right now about Phil Mickelson. and Phil Mickelson could have left college a year early because he'd been a great college player. And somebody said, why don't you go pro? Because he was good enough to him.

He's like, I'm not giving up Arizona State. This is a time of my life. He goes, I can win a bunch of money. I'll never get my last year at Arizona State. There's no way. So I want to ask you about Mike Shishowski retired. I love Mike. I read the book on him.

And, you know, when you're as high profile as you or Shishvsky, you have a bad moment. You have a bad moment. You know, listen, you've yelled at a player and people say, oh, look at Izzo. But I always say this. I always feel like the great coaches, period, are hard on players because they see the player. They see what's there. Hard coaching and hard parenting. Let's not lose sight of the value of it, the ability.

There's an old saying the reason, you know, God lets us fall down is because he wants us to figure out how to get up. And when you ever have these moments of NIL and bad press for Tom and this and that, Shashefsky's had multiple times. They almost fired him at Duke. How do you view, Tom, your legacy, coaching in college today, the NIL transfer portal? How do you wrap a bow around it? How do you think the health of the sport is today?

Well, it scares me a little bit, Colin, but be honest with you. And yet, you know, somehow it seems to work. The transfer portal is, you know, I worry about the kids that don't get out of the portal. There were 200, 250 kids last year. that never had a place to go. I worry about where these kids are going to go after they've transferred four times. What's the school they go back to for help?

There's a lot of unintended consequences with it. But I've kind of given up on that. I love Mike Shosheski, too. I think he did a great job. I think your part about falling down is such a great statement because I think we want to create people that never fall down now. Like there's never a mistake. Like you're supposed to fail.

That's part of success. And, you know, I worry a little bit, like the minute things get tough, we'll transfer. The minute we start to fall down, we'll leave. So I'm kind of with you, if that's the way you're going. So I'll put you on the spot and say, what do you think of it? Well, I've said about the transfer portal. I think for the integrity of college sports, you should not be able to transfer a week before the season until a week after it, the regular season. No college football. Labor Day to December 20th. No transferring for the integrity of,

because coaches don't leave in the middle of a season. That's not. In terms of the NIL, I believe like a lot of things, Tom, in society. They're new. They're an avalanche. We don't know what to do with them. And then we get our arms around it and we put some legislation in. And I think in one year from now, Joy talks about this. Some of these boosters are going to pay some big money and then it's not going to work and they're going to be like, you know, I like the old way. I'm not going to give you $10 million for a high school player. So I think we're in a bumpy, turbulent time with it. But in the end, we'll put in some legislation.

It'll be good for both parties, the kid, the coach, and we'll survive. Because I think March Madness, if you look at the ratings of it, we love it. America loves that. It's not going away. But like everything, Tom, you have good. years in the market and bad years and you've had good years at Michigan State. And I just think, I think we're going through a turbulent, but the plane's going to land. That's my takeaway on, a long-winded takeaway on it. Well, I think Joy's right. So that shows that the woman in this

group here is smarter than the man, because I think she is right. I think it'll, it'll bounce back, but I don't think it's going to be sustainable the way it is. But we'll see what happens there. The biggest thing that I've said about it is, I just, just don't know if 17, 18, 19-year-olds or any different than the three of us were. And are we going to make good decisions? Are we going to make decisions because people are influencing us? Because Judd Heathcote, my old boss here at Coach Magic, used to say every freshman's unhappy. I mean, you average 30 a game in high school.

There's nobody in college basketball that average 30 a game. So every freshman's unhappy. The difference is nowadays, I'm not sure Draymont would have stayed here playing seven, eight minutes as a freshman. or Marcus Tillman or Xavier Tillman, I mean, or Danzel Bell in the pros that I've had, they would have probably all left by now. So I'm a little worried about that aspect of it. And yet, like you said, you know, it'll work its way out, I guess. But in the middle of it, I don't worry about the programs.

I worry more about the kids and the decisions they're making that could affect the rest of their lives. So my buddy Jay Wright retired, Mike Shoshavsky retired. You still look great. You still got great energy. I watch on the sidelines. You're barking at refs. You're going to 100 miles an hour. How long are you going to coach?

Well, that's a good point because, you know, Mike's, you know, nine years older. But Jay Wright is a little younger than I am. And Jay's a good friend. And, you know, I respect what he did. But it just depends on how many bad calls those reps keep making. And that makes a lot of energy to get after those guys. But if they get better, I'm going to stay longer.

Good. Well, don't hold your breath on that one, coach. Don't hold your breath on that one. Tom, what a pleasure. Great seeing you again. And I hope I see it a couple of these games, finals games, continued success to you and the Spartans. Thanks, coach.

Well, I'm actually going out to game six, but I do watch the show every day, so you two keep smiling. All right. Thank you, Tom. We will. That's a funny line. If the refs, refs, refs better.

I'll stay longer. That's all I need, just better whistles. Yeah, I think, I think, you know, Joy and I talk about this a long time. The show before us is a debate show. That's not what we do. You kind of hang with us for three hours. And, you know, all new information, I'll change my opinion all the time. But I kind of look at life.

I have this conversation with my daughter. Life's a river. Sometimes it's bumpy and you have rapids. Sometimes it's flat and you're bored out of your mind. You don't want too much of either. And I think college sports is going through rapids. I think it's bumpy and you just don't want to fall out of the inner tube or you don't want to fall out of the canoe.

And you just kind of try to be as buoyant as you can, figure it out, help the players. But you go on social media and it's a fire hose of outrage. Listen, the advantage to being young is you have a longer life to live than me. The disadvantage is I've seen everything six times. Right. We'll get through it. And I see young media and young fans freaking out. I'm for the transfer portal.

But I think the regular season, there has to be a level. of integrity. I mean, even the NFL, there's trading deadlines. So there's times where personnel can't move. And I think with the NIL, I'm for it. It's a little bit of a wild, wild west, but for the record, so was dot com. We had a dot-com bubble, the wild, wild west with housing the last 10 years, when tech first came out. People were spending money and buying stocks.

They didn't know what the hell they were doing. The bottom line is we have these bubbles. We have these whitewater rapids. And it's real bumpy and turbulent. And just take a deep breath. Everybody will figure it out and will be good. You know what I mean? So, hey, when don't we have a break here?

How long, you guys tell me, do I have a break right now? You guys are, yeah. I'm talking to Tom Inzo. I can't just leave when I want to leave. But I got to leave. It's the herd. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app.

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looks to get ready for the playoffs and a showdown with the Tampa Bay Bandits at 4 Eastern on Fox. Then on Sunday, the New Orleans Breakers and the Houston Gamblers square off under the lights at 8.30 Eastern on FS1. USFL football Saturday and Sunday on Fox and FS1. Good stuff. Joy Taylor with the news. This is the herd line news. Well, Draymond has been in quite a few headlines throughout this postseason run. And it's been a little interesting matching that with his performance in this particular finals,

which has been a big point of conversation, at least on the offensive side. I still think he's performing to Draymond standards on the defensive end of the ball. But obviously, we're talking a lot about his offensive performances. And in game four, Steve Kerr even pulled Draymond in the fourth. quarter and had him sit for nearly four minutes down the stretch. And despite being unhappy on the bench, Jemann respected Kerr's decision. Definitely never thrilled coming out of the game with seven minutes to go in the fourth quarter in a must-win game. I'm not going to sit here and act like, you know, I was, thrilled. I'm a competitor. But at the end of the day, if that's what

coach decides, then you roll with it. And, you know, I had to keep my head in the game. And, you know, whenever I went back in, try to make some players. And so, I'd have that, I'd have to be a lot of That was just my mindset. Yeah, that's what a winner says. Eight rebounds, nine assists, or was it nine rebounds, eight assists? We had nine rebounds, eight assists. Great defensive play. Three fouls.

He was greater than the defensive ends. He had two points in game four. Can I defend him? So the Celtics defense made Kevin Durant struggle, the greatest single shot maker in the league. Draymond average is seven. Now he's averaging four. Is it reasonable to think? Yeah, the Celtics.

makes everybody outside of Steph a little rusty. I mean, I don't, I'm not really, he doesn't look as good as he normally looks offensively. Right, looks tentative. Yes. And so that's not, we are all seeing the same thing here. Right.

Yes, the Celtics defense is great. Yeah. But I think the bigger, the thing that is making it more jarring for everyone is that it kind of feels like Steph is doing everything. Yes. So you would like for there to be a little more offense, spread around to the core.

to the core in Clay Thompson and Jemond Green. You're right. You're not going to rely on Dramon to give you 20 a night. That's not what he's there for. But you'd like more than maybe two. Right. And that's probably why Steve Kerr went with a hot hand in that situation. I like what Dramon said there.

Of course, you always want to be out there. Nobody's going to say like, yeah, I'm happy to sit on the bench. No one is going to say that. And where do I expect to do when to say that. But you got to do what you've got to do to win. And throughout these long series, you have waves. and momentum throughout games as well. So that's what adjustments are for.

And if it means that he can't be out there because you're rolling, then that's what you've got to do. But I think overall, I want to wait, I want to wait until the series is over. Because I feel like some of the perspectives that we have on what's gone on in this series might be different, depending on how this plays out of the next three years. We always say the book's different depending on the final chapter.

Yes. We'll have a different opinion, absolutely. look back, I think, on some of these performances and we'll have a different opinion. So Tyreek Hill spent the last four years catching passes from Patrick Mahomes. This season, he'll be catching passes from Tua instead. And on the first episode of his new podcast, Tyreek compared some of his new quarterback skills to those of his former teammate. He has a heck of an arm, bro.

He's accurate. He can throw the deep ball. And he actually goes through his reeds, what people are like, on Twitter are like saying, oh, he doesn't go through his reads. Man, this dude that dude. Obviously, like, I'm going to go at 1-5 as the strongest arm. But as far as accuracy-wise, I'm going with Tua all day. So obviously, this caused quite a bit of a stir.

Yeah. You're going to say that Tua is better at something than Patrick Mahomes, who pretty much at this point, everyone agrees is the best quarterback in the league. You can, you know, like your particular quarterback's traits or whatever more. But I think everyone's consensus, Patrick Mahomes is pretty good at basically, everything. So I wanted to look at some of the actual numbers. Okay. And these numbers are based on passes thrown 20 plus yards down field. Yeah, that's good. Yeah. The accuracy thing is an interesting thing for Tyreek to say because we do talk about Patrick Mahomes mechanics every once in a while

throughout the season. They'll get a little crazy. Oh no, they get a little wide left. Yeah. Yeah. So if you look at the numbers, you know, the completion percentage to a slightly higher, deep completion percentage, two as 50 to Patrick Mahomes 38.2. And on target percentage, Patrick Mahomes is much higher, 78.6 to, two as 73.7. But I think the bigger takeaway is, for me, having watched this Dolphins organization for my entire life and particularly the developments over the last decade, I'm just in a wait and see situation with this year's team. Everyone is starting to get very excited, and that is giving me more pause. Like, I've seen this movie.

I love what the dolphins did this offseason. I hate what happened with Brian Flores. There's a whole lot more that I think is going to play out from that situation. I get people being optimistic. I just don't want to get too crazy with, like, the comparisons of Patrick Mahomes and Tua. Can we just watch? Can we just see what happens with all these moves yet? historically the getting too high on the stuff that's on paper doesn't really play out very well.

Right. So don't, don't up any more of the expectations for Tua this year. Right. He's had a really rough go the past two years with even being the guy at all. It's just let's see how we adjust to all these new pieces, particularly Tyree Kill. So Baker Mayfield and Timmy Garoppolo have still not been traded. Both have also been excused from their current team's offseason workouts, the mandatory ones. Yeah.

Well, various league executives, coaches and agents were asked what they thought would happen with the two quarterbacks this summer, and the majority believed that they will be released instead of traded, which is kind of interesting, because that feels like a bit of a waste for both of these teams to just cut Baker Mayfield. The Browns would eat 18.9 million in dead money and receive no cap savings by releasing Baker. the Niners would eat 1.4 million in dead money and received $25.6 million in cap savings by releasing Jimmy G. No, I think for the Niners. So the Niners are in a much better situation. Well, what a shock.

The better run organizations than a better space. Yeah, but it still also feels like you could have gotten something for Jimmy Garoppolo. You could have. Like even with the surgery, somebody would have. I mean, at that point. Giving you anything for Jimmy Garoppolo. I think my big thing is I just want to, at this point with Tray Lance, Kyle Shanahan's built up enough equity.

I want to see Trey the whole season. And if it's not good, well, next year's a great quarterback draft. Go get another one. Yeah, I want to see Trey all season. I want to be Trey's team right now. Same with Chicago Justin Fields. I have high hopes.

I want to see him take every snap and then I'll make a judgment at the end of a full year of snaps. You're going to get another year, but the antenna is up. I would actually, I mean, it's just because it's Chicago. But I think that Trey Lance is in a different situation. I would give Justin two years because it's just Chicago. There's so much turnover there.

But as far as Baker goes, I mean, it's, oh, it's Cleveland. I guess this is how they do business. That's right. I mean, I don't even know what I'd say about it. They're not in the same situation. Obviously, if you look at the money. But I just do think it's surprising if it would end up getting released with Jimmy Garoppolo that you couldn't have gotten anything for Jimmy Garapolo even before,

I mean, after the surgery. Like, we have evidence of what Jimmy Garoppolo is and have starved quarterback market. You couldn't have got like a fifth round pick. for him. Listen, it feels like they were like a little too. If this ends up happening, it would have felt like to me they were too greedy for too a little bit. I mean, the fact of the matter is he's been great for the organization.

Right. That win in Green Bay just cemented the fact that Jimmy though flawed is a total gamer. He was always in big spots. He knows how to win games. That's right. And that's a skill. Yes. Beyond talent.

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in any industry. You can see attention to detail in any industry. But, you know, as a dad, to kids, I don't have all the answers. But, and what I try to do, because I think life is far more complicated to young people, is give them kind of common sense wisdom. And my common sense is always work hard, put your energy and focus in a direction. Good things will happen. Hard work is really the answer to great success. We've heard it with Steph and Michael. and Kobe and LeBron and Manning and Brady, and we see it with Russell Wilson and Mahalms and Josh Allen. That's it.

Talent will take you so far. You've got to work hard. And Anthony Davis, and the Lakers know this in the building, is not a grinder. So he's just talented. He is not a superstar. He's a star, and the league is full of them. But the superstars all have one thing in common. It's a work ethic.

They're not all tall. They're not all fast. They're not all shot blockers. They're not all great scores. Yonis and Steph have opposite games. But they're both superstars because of their work ethic. Janus every year covers up a flaw and adds an element. Anthony Davis doesn't.

He peaked about four years ago in year six. He peaked. And his game is his game. He's still got the same holes. He still has the same flaws, the same concerns. But he also has the same elements when he's playing well. You know, Steve Kerr talked about Steph Curry. And it always comes back to the same thing, not just the season, the off season,

and the obsessive nature of commitment. His routine, it's like a metronome. I mean, every day, it's the exact same thing. He's in the training room. He's in the weight room. He's on the court. And there's, you know, you can, it's clockwork. He loves the process.

And I think that's one of the things that ties all great athletes together. Like, you know, the, I'm talking about the superstar athletes. You know, Roger Federer. of the world. They love the process. Anthony Davis doesn't. He just likes basketball, a lot. But the process is the difference.

I don't care if you do what I do, the politicians, the great CEOs, the great athletes. There's nobody shirking responsibility who is a superstar. I mean, just go down the list. You look at Federer. I don't care if it's F1 racing. I don't care if it's jockey. Work ethic is always the answer.

Guys, there's ceilings to what anybody can do. even if born genetically with perfect DNA. You've got to put in the time. So Tua says that Tira, Tyreek kills a new receiver for Tua. He says, you know, he's way more accurate than Patrick Mahomes. My takeaway is, we better be because he's nothing else. Okay, arm strength, playmaking, size, leadership in crisis, the ability to come from behind. Mahomes crushes Tua.

it's similar to saying, well, Jordan Poole shoots free throws way better than Janus. He better, because that's all he does better than Janus. And it's not like Mahomes is inaccurate. He completes 66% of his throws. In fact, if you look at two of the most accurate quarterbacks in the league, Drew Breeze and Kirk Cousins, my knock on both is, I wish they were less accurate and took more shots down the field. I do not want you to complete 70% of your throws.

I don't because then you're making safe throws, system throws, throws too often in the flat. Mahomes is perfect. He completes like Matt Stafford, 63.5%. Go look at Joe Burrow. Go look at the Burroughs. Big shots downfield. Tua is going to end up being more accurate next year than Matt Stafford and Joe Burrow and Mahomes. And that's the problem.

I don't want Kirk Cousins. I don't want safe throws. Drew Breeze is great. But at the end of his career, the knock on the saints, they didn't get a lot of cheap touchdowns. You can't, this is why the Rams are really good. You get all the brilliance. They can run the ball.

But they can go over the top. That's how they beat Tampa. Big throw over the top. And so, yeah, Tua is more accurate. And at the end of the year, his statistics. Even as 20-yard passes downfield, the percentage of completion is higher because he throws fewer. I don't get paralyzed by interceptions, especially depending on where they are. You don't want to throw them deep in your territory, and you don't want to throw them at the four-yard line in the red zone.

A lot of them, though, were punts. Andrew Luck threw a lot of picks. I went and did research for my first book, 18 out of 30 or thereabouts, I forget the numbers, were punts. I'll take a little bit of that. Take big swings. Baseball's finally figured it out. Hit home runs. Don't be paralyzed by strikeouts.

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