The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 2 - Right & wrong, Raiders, Broncos

Episode Date: November 14, 2022

Where Colin was right and wrong over the weekend His thoughts on the issues the Raiders are facing Why the Broncos should fire HC Nathaniel Hackett   Guest: James JonesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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But I will say, this is the time of the year, week 10 and 11. The frauds. That's why I kind of buy into Miami. The frauds dovetail. Well, Giants are winning. that looks real to me and Miami keeps separating. That looks real to me.

You're Cleveland Browns. What happened? My Cleveland Browns. Well, you were all over. That was a bad pick on my part. By the way, giants, scraping by the Texans, giving Sequin Barclay like 34 carries.

What is that all about? The guy's got a history of injuries? By the way, how bad is Kenny Gallaudet? He's done. One drop and a benched instantly. Hey, by the way, we are now 24 hours, ladies and gentlemen, away from the Jets,

making the hurt hierarchy tomorrow at this Time. We are fired up in Jets Nation. I'm not kidding. The people are waiting, Colin, this has to be the week. All right. Here we go. Lots are right. Lots are wrong. Colin Wright or wrong. Here we go. Where Colin was right? Well, I was early on the bills. I said three weeks ago when they beat Green Bay, I said, folks, there's trouble. They are loose second half. I don't like what I'm seeing. A little cocky, a little chatty issues. Josh Allen is reverted back, especially in second halfs in the red zone. to wild, out of control, trying to play Superman. They've lost back to back, and we spotted it three weeks ago.

Where Colin was wrong. Worst blazing five of the year, only the Steelers won for me. A lot of underdogs won in the NFL this weekend, just not mine. I was genuinely surprised how bad the Seahawks were in the first half. Is it a time zone? That's the best Tampa's run the football, it feels like, in a year, but a bad week for us. where Colin was right Jimmy Garapolo

George Kittle said after the game he's really good at playing quarterback for us he now has over a hundred passer rating for the year that makes him elite he's completing 67% of his throws that makes him elite he doesn't turn the ball over he wins

of course he's better than Trey Lance for this team I can't believe the pushback I got when I said yeah the guy who's quarterback his team to the Super Bowl is better than the young guy that we don't know can play Of course he's better. Of course the Niners are better with Jimmy Garapolo. Where Colin was wrong.

I said I thought the Raiders could be the best fourth place team in league history before the season. They are lost. Derek Carr, weapons, offensive head coach, they're just lost. I mean, Devonte Adams put up numbers. Carr put up numbers. But they are 14th in scoring, completely utterly outplayed by Jeff Saturday in the Col. and Derek Carr broke down at the podium after the game. Where Colin was right?

Brian Kelly, first year at LSU, wins the toughest division in college football, the SEC West. Yeah, he can be cringy. Yeah, he can be grumpy. He's a top three to four football coach in college ball. He's fantastic. And when he brought over Jaden Daniels from Arizona State,

I said at the time, I said this kid can really play. He was undercoached with the Sun Devils. Well, so far, the kid has 14 passing touchdowns, two picks, 24 total touchdowns. He's their leading rusher. Jaden Daniels is an NFL quarterback. I told you when Brian Kelly landed him. He just needed a really, really good coach. He beat Sabin the first time he got to face him.

Between you guys and Harbonne, Brian Kelly, if you can win in multiple places, Time and time again, you're an elite coach and both Harbaugh and Kelly are top five in college football. Where Colin was raw. Well, I had my questions about Mike McDaniel, the Miami head coach. He was kind of different. He was a snarky and kind of witty and kind of an analytics guy. And I didn't know if he had much presence. He'd never been a head coach.

All I know is Miami Dolphin offensive players are wide open all the time. We knew he was a smart guy, but he was different. You know? He was just kind of a quirk. fun guy say what he want to say, but Tua looks comfortable. I thought Miami would be a playoff team. They're spectacular. And at some point, we've got to be honest here.

Tua's passer rating is 118.4. Second place isn't even close. Hey, Tua may have limitations. I'm not seeing them in the last four to five weeks. Where Colin was right? My best prediction ever. I said the Minnesota Vikings, will be the most improved team in the league, and they lost all their close games last year.

I said with their new offensive coach, they'll start winning these close games. They're winning all of them. Their offense is top 10 in scoring. I think what we predicted is, what I predicted was, Kirk Cousins will feel empowered. Kirk Cousins will feel supported. Kirk Cousins playing great football. I don't think Kirk Cousins is great, but when a quarterback that's good feels empowered and supported. How about Kirk Cousins and Justin Jefferson? I mean, he didn't care.

A couple of those throws to Justin Jefferson, he wasn't even open. He threw Justin Jefferson open. So Kirk Cousins has always been the guy that we think shrinks in big spots, and he may, but we were right on that prediction. Where Colin was wrong. Okay, I'm officially off the Sark bandwagon at Texas. There's so many things I like about him. He's a great recruiter. I've seen him developed players, but Quinn Ewers, his five-star quarterback's not getting better, way too loose. Sark just doesn't win enough big games. They're often close in big games, but the details, the mistakes, they haunted him at Washington. It's the same thing here. He can recruit. He's the offensive coach. I've seen him develop players, but Ewers is struggling. He is sloppy. His mechanics

are bad. Well, that's where Sark's supposed to take over as a former college quarterback. I've defended Sark for a long time, but he lost another close game. At some point, I'm wrong. Where Colin was wrong. Boy, was that wrong in the Oregon Ducks? I think they're a much better team than Washington, but they gave up over 400 yards passing to the Huskies. Huskies have an excellent young, left-handed quarterback and a bunch of receivers, and they just moved that ball. Bo Nicks, he missed a series or so. That's not the reason they lost. This defense for Oregon, despite having a defensive head coach, they were 13.5 point favorites in Outson Stadium and lost.

Washington just kept delivering big time blows. Panics this quarterback's really good. Washington's got some NFL receivers. So I had said in the last couple of weeks, I thought Oregon deserved a mulligan against Georgia. That's a roster full of four and five-star recruits. Oregon absolutely looks the part. but Washington took big swings. That was one of the better college football games in a while.

That was a good college football game. Pacific Northwest. All right. James Jones. Oh, he is feeling it. Super Bowl champ. Buddies with Aaron Rogers, Packerwide receivers, a decade. You are feeling it today.

I will say this. They committed to the run, and it made Aaron's life much. easier. I also criticized Aaron. I said, these young receivers get close to Thanksgiving. Things are going to get a little better here. What do you think change for Aaron? Because I felt, even though they'd had some drops and they screwed up roots, I felt like he went into that game. In fact, the last couple of weeks, kind of like, I got to make this work. That's what it felt like to me that Aaron just came to terms with. This is what I got. Right? Yeah. And I think you're right.

And the main thing is they've stuck to the game plan, right? These last couple games when they've been on this five game losing streak, right? When one little thing went wrong, it's like, okay, let's throw it 50 times. And let's go away from what we do best. Let's go away from the run. And let's try to throw it 50 times and try to get these young receivers, some experience and all that. But that wasn't winning games. Yesterday, you've seen them go down by 14 points.

And they still stuck with the game plan, running the football with Aaron Jones and A.J. Dillon. And everybody is talking like, why, how does the Cowboys letting Aaron Jones and AJ Dillon run all over him? Well, Aaron Rogers is not Lamar Jackson. He's not Justin Fields about to run outside the pocket and all that type stuff. But you've seen the last play of the drive to Alan Lazard when he faked the read option and hit him on the quicksland. You have to account for Aaron Rogers' arm in the passing game because he will hit you with those tricks. And that's what holds the defenders. But I was really proud of the Packers because they stuck with the game.

playing even down 14, and that is their formula for success on the offense. And if they can get Christian Watson, I ain't saying he got to score three touchdowns every game, but if they can find him to get a couple explosive plays in some of these games, a couple times a game, this offense is going to be right where they want to be. I didn't think Dallas played poorly. I thought Dallas was Dallas. Costly penalties, not good on third down. I didn't think Green Bay beat a cowboy team that was lousy.

I thought they beat a cowboy team that I don't trust in big spots. I trust Aaron more than Dak. I probably trust LaFleur a little more than Mike McCarthy. But as you watched, I didn't think Dallas was bad. I didn't. Did you? No, Dallas played a really good game. Dak Prescott had it going early.

They were running the ball at will. CD Lamb had it going. The Dallas Cowboys was the Dallas Cowboys. I just think this is the great. Green Bay Packers team that we thought we were getting week one, week two, week three, week four. We thought this was going to be a really good football team. Has a lot of big time players on the defensive side of the ball. You still have Aaron Rogers.

You have a solid offensive line. We thought that this was the Green Bay Packers team that we thought we were going to get in the season. And they came out and played like that and really beat a good Cowboys team. Now, I did feel like Coach Mike pressed on that field go opportunity at the end of the game. you have to kick that field goal and make Aaron Rogers an overtime have to go score a touchdown. Okay, so Aaron barks at Matt LaFleur. I don't have a problem with on-field emotion. Didn't bother me at all.

Do you think he was barking at him because he got too conservative running? What do you think it was? You know what? To be honest with you, it looked like Aaron said he wanted to run the ball. It looked like Coach LaFleur called a pass play. And yes, I know when I play with Aaron Rogers, he had all the freedom in the world. check into any play that he wanted. So I don't know if it was a play that Coach LaFleur really wanted to run and really thought

was going to work and called it in the huddle and was like, run the thing. Because if you look at Aaron, he said run the dang ball, like he wanted to run the football. But I have no problem with that. You're absolutely right, Colin, right? Those heated conversations on the sideline, we need to see that sometime, right? Because we are both trying to win. And we know Coach LaFloor and Aaron Roder's relationship is phenomenal. Those two dudes are brothers.

But you need to see that. This is coach player going at it, but we are trying to get this thing done. We are trying to win. And in that case, Matt LaFlor felt like the pass was better. And Aaron was like, no, our best player on this offense is in the backfield. We need to run the game ball. And you could tell that that was the game plan going in, no matter how ugly it got, no matter how many points you got down by, Aaron Jones touches the rock

because he's lightning in the bottle in the run game and pass game. You know, I'm not a big fire the coach guy, but Denver was off a buy. The Titans were missing five defensive starters. Five. They went to a backup quarterback who fumbled. I mean, Tennessee was off an overtime road game. Denver had extra prep. And if not for one, blown Titans coverage down the left sideline.

Denver doesn't score a touchdown. And I'm to a point, James. people have families. I'm not a fireer guy. But to me, the buy was, okay, let's see some new things schemed. Let's see some new tricks. I've seen Stafford first year with the Rams off a buy. I've seen Brady first year with a bucks off a buy.

And it feels like, you know, with Brady, there's a little switch flipped. I'm at the point now with Denver. Like, it's over. Like, I don't think you can keep telling these players we're inches away. I mean, I think I would make a move at Thanksgiving. What would you do with Denver's mess right now? Well, number one, right, when you watch the Denver Broncos play, they're not inches away. This is a terrible offensive football team, and I do not see it changing no time soon.

And the crazy thing about it is is they have playmakers. You have Jerry Judy. You have Cortland Sutton. I mean, you have Russell Wilson back there. I don't know who this Russell Wilson is, right? This is not the Russell Wilson's that the Denver Broncos said we are getting from Seattle. I don't see Russell Wilson being Russell Wilson and I don't see it changing, right?

And the way he's playing right now, I don't know if it's changing next year. So I don't know if this is a decision that the Denver Broncos are going to regret, right? And Colin, it is okay to sit up here and say you hired a coach that's not ready. That's fine, right? You're hiring guys, right? You think they're ready for the job. He's just not ready for the job, right? It's no adjustments, right?

We have seen no adjustments on the offensive side of the ball. We haven't seen you even try to get Russell Wilson outside the pocket. Like let's design some plays where Russell Wilson's getting outside the pocket because that's where he's most dangerous at. He has Russell standing inside this pocket, not putting up no points. Russ is not using his legs like he was using in the past years in Seattle. The offense just does not look good and I don't see it changing. You don't see no adjustments by the head coach.

this is a bad football team on the offensive side of the ball right now, Colin, and I think it's going to stay like that this season. I have a theory on the Raiders. I'll talk about it after the break. But I think they've had so much chaos that I don't think you can get rid of Josh McDaniels. I don't think that. I think there's reasons for why they're struggling. Some of it is they've had injuries to key guys.

But, you know, Derek Carr, came out publicly and kind of made comments about it, it's not right, and Devante Adams made comments a week ago ago, it's not right. Derek breaks down at the podium. Could I suggest this? The Derek car

thing's been great, right? But there are times, he does, James, he's got to market. There's seven, eight teams will absolutely, if I was Carolina, I'd go buy Derek Carr. I think it's just time, and that's not a criticism on Derek or anybody.

That it's just time. Maybe you played with teammates. You know, Farr of at the end, it was just time. If Brett could still play, but it was just time. That's my feeling on the Raiders. What do you make of what you see? Yeah, see, this is a tricky one for me, right? Because I just talked about the Denver Broncos,

and I'm saying, like, there's no bright spots, right? This office just looks bad, right? You just said, if it's not for a blown coverage, they don't even score a touchdown. It's not like that for the Raiders. Derek Carr and the Raiders were averaging 30 points a game two weeks ago. Like they were scoring at wheel. The ball going to Devante Adams.

This is not even with the whole core healthy. Darren Waller has been out. Rinfro has been out. They haven't even had a chance to play together for two games. Right. So you've been out there with Max Hollins and those guys and not saying they can't get the job done, but you came into the sea and said, we got Renfro, we got Josh Jacobs, we got Darren Waller, and we obviously.

obviously added Devante Adams. When I watch the Raiders play, they are in these ball games. It is one score games. And it's nothing to do on the head coach. The players are not making plays. And I'm not saying Derek's not making plays. Because even if you watch this yesterday's game, it's a B-line to Foster Monroe down the field that he drops for the game-winning touchdown. Right.

So it's just the plays that the Raiders are not making. And you could go and say, hey, does coach might needs to get five? and all this, but they're just not making the plays that's there. You look at the game. They punch out the fumble. We don't recover the fumble because we're trying to scoop and score. They get it back the very next play. They score a touchdown.

It's the plays that the Raiders are not making. It's not scheme stuff and all that. It's just the plays that they're not making. That's why they are in these one-score games. They just have to make the plays at the end of the ballgame. I'm not ready to give up on my brother Derek Carr. I'm not ready to give up on Josh. McDaniels, I think these two dudes are going to be great together.

They just got to finish the game, Colin. All right, good stuff. James Jones. First things first, he'll be on it. The former Packer after our show, he's got a Super Bowl ring. James, good seeing you as always. Appreciate it. Appreciate it, brother. I have some thoughts on the Raiders, on the Denver Broncos and Russell Wilson,

and I did not think the Cowboys played poorly. I did not. I thought they were the Cowboys, where they've got really interesting players, and they have big plays, and they've got some stars. But you look under the hood a little bit, You know, there's limitations on they're not great in big plays, big third, red zone, fourth down. They're just not. Dax had a bad year in those big leverage spots all year long.

Yeah, and remember in the playoffs last year, in that loss to San Francisco, high leverage moments, they flopped left and right. And that comes down to execution. Is that a coach problem? Is that a quarterback problem? Is that both? No. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day.

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You will be? Yeah, we're doing some stuff for Fox Digital, picking games. This is going to be a huge gambling month for every sports book on the planet. Okay, so I want to talk about the Raiders for a second. So the Raiders are kind of a mess, and Derek Carr broke down yesterday. It's pretty tough. So they lost to Jeff Saturday on the Colts. Now, my first takeaway is sometimes you bring in a former player to a locker room like Jeff Saturday.

And for a couple of weeks, everybody's feeling big and alpha and it can work. I've seen it work with Dan Campbell. Do I think Jeff Saturday is going to go down as Andy Reid? Probably not. He's smart enough. But it's hard to coach in this league. There's like four great coaches, maybe six. I hear this.

Colin, this was a playoff team last year. Barely and so what? The Rams won the Super Bowl. They stink today. This isn't college football. It's the NFL. Half the playoff teams don't make it the following year. So what?

Secondly, Derek Carr is to blame. Well, he's been average 15th in the league. He's not been terrible. I mean, yesterday, Derek Carr, 250 yards, two touchdowns, no picks, 24 or 38, 100 passer rating. That wasn't the reason. Devonte Adams had nine catches,

126 yards, a touchdown, a 50-yarder. That's not the reason. along fine. Let me throw this at you. Number one is, new coach, new offensive system, and Darren Waller and Hunter Renfro have been hurt. Renfro's a top three to four slot receiver and Darren Waller's a top two or three tied end. They've both been hurt. So Devante Adams is getting double-teemed a lot. People shading the coverage over, rolling the coverage over. It's something. A lot of good coaches in the NFL. They're taking away Devante as much as they can. Secondly, the Raiders don't have a history in recent decades of a strong culture.

So when you bring a Belichick assistant in, they're smart guys. They're not known as culture builders, the Belichick guys. So you have a bad culture. And it was a mess before Josh McDaniels got here. And a guy who's not known for building cultures. And maybe it just takes a year. I'll give you an example. Robert Salah with the Jets.

Jets similarly don't have a history of great cultures. They'd bring in to coach Robert Sala, who'd never built his own culture. Last year, the Jets were a mess. I mean, they were uneven. There were games, looked like they didn't practice. Give it 12 months, give it 15 months. You'll watch the Jets this year. Win or lose.

He's sandpapered down the rough edges. You get the same Jets team, their strengths, their limitations every week. It took Sala a year. Because this was not an organization known for great culture. upstairs. Similarly, the Raiders like the Jets, a lot of losing, a lot of weirdness, a lot of stuff that's unpredictable. They blow their coach out last year. Should have been blown out, got blown out. GM gets blown out. This is not an easy one. This is not the Chiefs with the Hunt family. You know, this isn't, you know, there's a lot of organizations, not the Packers where Matt LaFleur

inherits a lot of winning and Aaron Rogers and a stable front office. The Jets and the Raiders, bit of a you-know-what upstairs. They come in, and the first year is choppy. I think the Raiders, injuries to stars with a new offense, Josh McDaniels trying to build this thing. I don't want to hear they made the playoffs. Half the teams that made the playoffs don't the following year. The Rams stink.

But I think it's really hard when you, it's much easier. Matt LaFleur inherits the Packers or Andy inherits the Hunt. family in Kansas City. That's much easier gig than, you know, Cliff Kingsbury goes down to Arizona. That's been a mess for a year. Steve Wilkes tried it and that thing went sideways fast and he couldn't overcome it. And then Cliff came into Arizona and it looked like it may go sideways and all of a sudden he gets his arms around it and now it's going sideways again and it's the stuff all starts upstairs. So the Raiders have the talent. You got Wallers out and Renfroes out and one of Belichick's assistance is trying to build his old culture,

and Robert Sala last year took it down to the studs. I mean, there were multiple games last year. As a Jets fan, they looked awful. They were, I mean, they beat Tennessee and everybody's like, yeah, Jets were awful in half their games. But here's the thing I like. They're not bailing. I mean, here's Derek Carr after. They're all in.

They're just losing. I love Josh. I love the car. I love our coaches. They've had nothing but success, you know, way more success than I've ever had. Sorry for being emotional. I'm just pissed off about some of the things, you know, that a lot of us try and do just to practice what we put our bodies through just to sleep at night.

And for that to be the result of all that effort pisses me off. and I wish everybody in that room felt the same way about this place. Winning's hard in this league, and it's even harder when upstairs is a mess, and I think the Raiders will get it turned around. I'd feel a lot better as a Raider fan today than a Bronco fan. I mean, you gave me Broncos this morning and the Raiders. I'll take the Raiders. I'll take Derek Carr and those weapons and Josh McDaniel.

I'll take the Raiders over Denver. Chargers? I like their GM and I like their quarterback. But I don't trust the Chargers in the big spot. They're not Kansas City. But again, Josh McDaniels didn't inherit a lot of the stuff that Kansas City brings to the table, a lot of stability. So sometimes just take a deep breath. Not every problem and situation is solvable.

I would take the Raiders in a heartbeat over Denver situation. I mean, they are trapped. They got four years. I mean, Derek Carr, you're not paying that much money to. What does Denver do? And I'm not even sure. How comes the Chargers have a defensive coach, and their defense isn't generally very good? I don't know what's going on there.

J. Mack with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. I bet you take that Raiders job because you want to pick Bryce Young third overall, right? Raiders look like they're going to be drafting in the top five. Just want to remind everybody, they may. Derek Carr has a market.

You could in one fell swoop. Not only would you get your pick, you could get multiple very good picks for Derek Carr. Absolutely. And rebuild that defense with a young. I'm not saying you have to do it. But if you don't think Derek Carr is a market, that guy is totally committed. To me, he's a top 12 quarterback. There's a lot more.

I mean, I'm going to tell you something. Do you see a huge gap, Kirk Cousins, who's got much more stability around him? Do you see a big gap, Kurt Cousins, Derek Carr? because I just watched Kurt Cousins go to Buffalo and make great throw after great throw. And I don't think there's a big gap between Kurt and Derek Carr, in my opinion. I think that's probably both in the 10 to 15 range.

Is that fair? I mean, I just watched Kurt Cousins go to Buffalo and out duel and make smarter plays down the stretch than Josh Allen. I do, I asked you this off air. I'm going to bring it up anyway. So the press conference we just watched, Derek Carr kind of crying. I don't think he was crying.

He was emotional. He had tears in his eye. I mean, he was not. Balling. Yeah, it wasn't sobbing or anything. But I cry once a week. If you lose a soup, what? Well, I got kids. You know, it's emotional. Really? You're crying? I'm a very emotional guy.

So if you cry if you lose a Super Bowl, I get that. This is like week 10 against the Colts, and you're melting down. I like Derrick Carr a lot. But the crucible of New York and that media, are we sure he's built to handle the criticism? You know what? I will defend my guys for caring. He is so. I'm not bagging on him, just to be clear. Yeah, no, no, I just, I think if my guys get emotional, I'm here for him.

We'll have Sanchez in here this week, who was in the New York media. He rode the highs. Fair question. And when he was down at the lows, it's tough, man. They pile on. They are relentless. Didn't you and I, and we were not working together last year, but wasn't there a moment last year during the season that you watched Darren Waller and you thought he's unguardable?

I mean, Darren, he may not be Travis Kelsey historically. Darren Waller is unstoppable and healthy. It's never available. Hunter Renfro is a top slot. Not available. So new coach, new coordinator, no Renfro, no Waller. We know they don't have a great offensive line. Center right.

So a lot of this stuff, I know everybody wants definitive answers and to blame somebody. Some crap is just... I'll guarantee that. They tried to trade him at the deadline. He won't be playing for the latest. I'll tell you what. If you put him in the right team...

Yeah. No, he's very good. He's a huge talent. All right, let's start with. arguably the best receiver in the NFL, Justin Jefferson Collins. We could show this, you know, just every hour. Look at this. Go up and get it.

Look at that. My God. That is incredible. That's the best catch I've ever seen. For me, it is, and I know it's in the moment. Look at that thing. It defies physics. Is it right?

Physics? Science? What science? I mean, he's falling down backwards. The ball's coming out of his hand anyway. That's as good a game as the league has had this year. That was incredible. Oh, my God.

Just heart stopping stuff. My kids walked in the door. I'm like, guys, you've got to see this. They're like, what? Anyways, all right, here's what Justin Jefferson said about the catch hurt around the world. Just the way my body went up, him catching the ball in his hands and me taking it from. I mean, the whole play was crazy, but, you know, it starts with the O-Lon. It starts with blocking, giving Kirk that time to give me, you know, that opportunity to go up and make a play.

But, you know, it's just, it's not me. This is a collective team win. It felt like it was unreal. It felt like a movie. But just like I said, God is with us. You know, I told everybody this is our season. This means this is our season for us to win out and to go to the Super Bowl. So we just got to keep working.

I loved how cousins just stared him down. I'm just going to go back to him, back to him, back to him. That's painful. It's like Michael Jordan. You know what's coming. Can you stop him? No. And they could not guard Justin.

He's having a tremendous season. I know Tyreek Hills doing great stuff with Casey. Oh, my God. I just don't see someone. Look at the Viking sideline. I mean, that is just... It erupted. Yeah, that was the cool thing.

Here's my other thing. I know some Buffalo Bills fans. They're just saying all the guy has to do is knock the ball down and the game is over. And we're not worrying about Josh Allen. It is as simple as just knock it down, but everybody wants to make a play. He's like, oh, I can snag this. Well, and also, you didn't think Justin Jefferson would make the greatest play in the history of football. Yeah.

Like, sometimes dudes make... play. Yeah, he's also the best gritty dancer in the NFL. I'm a huge Justin Jefferson fans. Sorry about that, Jamar Chase fans. All right, next up, uh, Justin Fields. Wow. Now, listen, this kid is electric, Colin. I love watching Johnson Fields. We're going to show eventually the 61-yard touchdown run. This is two weeks in a row. He's had over 60 yards rushing and a touchdown. And by the way, he's over 125 yards rushing each of the last two weeks. No quarterback, not Vic, not Lamar Jackson. No quarterback's done that like 70 years when they were running the wing T in like 1940.

I literally feel so good for Chicago. Yes. I honestly am like, this city loves its football. You know I love Chicago. They love their football. And they've been searching. I mean, say what you want about the Giants. They got Eli Manning and Phil Sims.

Say what you want about the Jets. They've had Pennington, Richard Todd Namath. Bears is just like McMahon for an hour. Rex Grossman. So it's like the city appears to have. And for the record, they're in a rebuild. That O line, I mean, my guess is they're going to have cap space. I would go buy the best center on the market.

I think about buying a tackle. They need another receiver. This is not a finish product. They're doing it now. I mean, you can see they gave up some defensive players, Roquan, Smith, and Quinn. They couldn't get Detroit off the field in key spots. So my buddy Vic works on the gambling side here at Fox, and he's a diehard Bears fan. I texted him, dude, this is as good of a result as you could ask for.

Justin Fields look great. Your team is competitive. and oh by the way, you now have a top six draft pick. Like, that is a good loss. What is winning that game going to do by? The two best losses in the league this year, Chicago to Detroit and Chicago to Miami. Yeah, no, those are great losses. I know.

It sounds crazy, but it's like, I got my quarterback. You're not going to win the Super Bowl this year anyway. You're a rebate. You're still need like they got a first, a second, a third, two fours, two fifths. And by the way, 29 points or more scored each are the last three weeks and they've lost. But I Ebro-Flus is a defensive guy. I have faith in him. But Justin Fields, Colin, a must-watch television right now?

Like, when he's got the ball, like, even on the final play of the game, where they thought they had him twice, he's just like... Robocop, just fighting off guys. It was incredible. I thought it was incredible. All right, finally. Patrick Mahones, decent win. Four different players caught touchdowns.

They hold off the jags and cover the spread, most importantly. Well, they got up to a huge start. I'm going to say a name. You tell me what you think. Cadarius, Tony. The Chiefs immediately... Work him into the game plan. Had a touchdown that was wide open off to the right.

Juju Smith got knocked out, like literally cold. It was a little scary. The hands froze up. But then Cadarius, Tony comes in and they didn't miss a beat. Like, this team is the best team in the NFL, right? Can we agree on that? Well, you know what I loved. Chiefs do two things really well.

They play well from behind, and I trust them implicitly in close game. If a game's close, it's like they'll figure it out. They get Tony. It's amazing. They rebuild the defense. They rebuild it online. and they rebuild the receiving core. When you have a really good culture, you can rebuild stuff.

And it's like you start watching this receiving core. Now, they don't have Tyreek, but you can tell Tony is going to be really, really productive with Andy Reed and Mahom. By the way, they lost the turnover battle 3-0 in the first half and they were up 20 to nothing. And they conceded an onside kick. Like this team right now, Colin, I'm just going to say one thing. Special teams for the Chiefs. Cost them against the Colts. And it is, Andy Reid's got to get that fixed if they want to win the Super Bowl.

No, it's a problem. I mean, the Jags opened the game with an on-side kick. It was totally. It recovered it. You're like, oh, cheese, Jaggs. But Patrick Holmes. MVP? Leave her right now?

No, it's up there. How about this? Trevor Lawrence, say what you want, but it does look like he'll stick. He's, I like Trevor Lawrence. Yeah, no, no, he will. He will. He's got to get him a little more, another weapon. Christian Kirk had a really nice game.

Yeah, and they had a couple of dumb penalties that hurt him, but Trevor Lawrence is good. We're all watching Justin Fields, as we should. Trevor's going to be fine. He is. Trevor can play. J-Mac with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

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So I look at here's the moment. moment. Okay, extra prep time. Five Tennessee defensive starters out. And outside of a blown coverage, they never got to the red zone. Denver had four for 17 on third down, 65 yards rushing, no trips to the red zone, 18 first ounce. And they have talent. You're not going to fire Russell Wilson. This offense is a mess. I'm looking for any indication, any glimmer of hope, any improvement, any sign, anything, any adjustment. It's not there. I think you have to fire Nathaniel Hackett.

Again, you're not going to fire Russell Wilson, but I'm looking for anything. I don't see anything. But when you have a buy, I've always felt this in college football. If you go look at great college football coaches, Saban, Lou Holtz, Barry Alvarez, you know, as a kid, Don James, the great coaches off a buy, extra time. Extra time doesn't help lousy coaches.

Go look at Andy Reid's record off a buy. Sean Payton's record off a buy. Extra time, it doesn't matter if you're a coach or not. If you're good at what you do and I give you extra time to prepare for what you do, lawyer, nurse, doctor, whatever it is, you're going to take advantage of the time. They gave Denver an extra prep week for a beat-up defense. Didn't do anything. There were no schematic plays.

There's nothing built in, nothing improved. This guy's over his head. He's a coordinator. There's nothing wrong with that. Most politicians are better vice presidents than presidents. A lot of VPs in the world, very few great CEOs. But when you get a buy and you come out and you're facing a weary, beat up, ravaged, injured team, 60 yards rushing, no trips to the red zone.

Outside of a broken coverage, there was nothing. I'm looking for anything. Any glimmer of hope. I see hope with the Raiders. I even see hope with Taylor Heineke and Washington. I see hope with Carolina. They're playing their butts off. Carolina's got some dudes.

I see, this is the second best defense in the NFL. No, actually, it's the best. And they're three and six. Dom Capers is on the staff. Give it to him. Say, Dom, just get us through the season. You've had a job. Dom's probably, he's a grown-up.

Just give him the team. Let's center it. but I'm looking for signs here. I see nothing. I just want to play. Here's Russell Wilson after, Mr. Optimism. You know, it's disappointing because I really believe in, I really believe in who we are and the guys that we have.

And it's been tough, but we're not going to give up. That's for sure. And we know that as tough as it's been, as good as we should be, you know, even though we've lost a lot of great players this season, really, the reality is that we still have opportunity to, to answer these moments. And, you know, I'm going to do everything I can to find a way to answer those moments coming forward. That sounds great at the podium.

But I give it to Dom Capers. You made a mistake. Cleveland did it with Freddie Kitchens. Steve Wilkes, Arizona. It happens. I mean, two out of three quarterbacks in the first round can't play. It happens. It's okay.

But to pretend off a buy, we're going to solve stuff. no trips to the red zone. I mean, half of Tennessee starters, half couldn't play. Did you see the shots of Russ on the sideline, Colin? A lot of him just sitting by himself, no fire, no energy, no like, come on, guy, it felt like he was defeated.

They were down to the third string center, third string right tackle. I know Tennessee was beat up, no excuses. But they didn't convert a third down in the second half, Colin. With Russell Wilson and with some nice, skill player. I'm a rust defender. Something's off. He doesn't seem happy right now. Like if you just look at this him on the sideline, he's like alone just sitting on the bench a lot.

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