The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 2 - Right & wrong, Sooners, Rams

Episode Date: September 26, 2022

Where Colin was right and wrong What to take from Oklahoma losing to Kansas State Why culture matters in sports   Guest: Albert BreerSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information....

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Starting point is 00:02:27 You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Ah, here we go. Live in Los Angeles, it's the herd, wherever you may be, and however you may be listening. We're on IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and Fass 1. I have Colin Wright, Colin Wrong in about three minutes. Sean Payton next hour stops by. You just had news, bad news for the Chargers.
Starting point is 00:02:52 Yeah, it's a bummer. Ray Sean Slater, their left tackle. He's awesome. Torn biceps out for the season. likely. Not good for the chargers who are injured. J.C. Jackson, Keenan Allen, Bosa left yesterday's game injured. Like, they can't stay healthy. They are just a snake-bitten franchise. And we don't know. Do they have the right coach? I'm going to no comment on that on Braden Staley. I don't know the answer to that.
Starting point is 00:03:17 Why was Justin Herbert in the game down 28 with eight minutes left? I get going passes. I get starting Justin Herbert because it was his call and he wants to be with his teammates. But four and a half, five minutes left in the game, what are we doing? And your left tackles out and you're taking hits. Like, that's stupid. Again, defensive coach doesn't quite understand the urgency or sensibility of the offense. You think McVeigh would still have Stafford in or no.
Starting point is 00:03:44 You get him out of the game. It's a blowout. You get your backup in there. I think some people are firing up their resumes for that Chargers potential opening. I've said with Sean Payton, if I'm Sean Payton, I'm only coming back with the star quarterback. The league is getting more and more offensive. offensive. I'm sitting there looking at that LA job. He's in L.A. all the time. Finding me a more coveted NFL job in the last five years. Maybe the Packers for Aaron
Starting point is 00:04:04 Rogers? Yeah. And that's not a knock on Wisconsin. Great state. But that job is, it's kind of, you have no owner, you have kind of, the front office does what they want to do. You're kind of as a coach. You don't have a lot of leverage there. I think in a Chargers job, you could have leverage a little bit. Go back on the rookie deal? Hello. Yeah. All right. Every week, I tell you, when I'm right, when I'm wrong, plenty of both. Here we go. Where Colin was right?
Starting point is 00:04:30 Everybody loved the Chargers this year. Everybody. And I said, I'm taking them for third place. I have serious doubts. I think their coach is on the wrong side of the ball. I don't trust them in big spots. They've got a handful of great players. But you've got to win close in that division. Field goals, special teams. And here they are. Left tackles out for the year. Boat race yesterday. The media fell in love with them. I live in L.A. No people in the organization and like him, I still don't trust him. Where Colin was wrong.
Starting point is 00:05:01 My first losing week, two and three and blazing five. You know, my underdogs always do me well, but I went with a couple of favorites on the Niners and Bucks. They didn't be wrong. Two and three. I'm still nine and six on the year. Where Colin was right? I spent the offseason basically as the agent for Doug Peterson.
Starting point is 00:05:20 I'm like, would somebody hire him? I thought USC should hire him. I called USC and said, would you look at Doug Peterson? No, not Alan Robinson. Doug Peterson and the Jacksonville Jaguars are number two in the NFL in point differential. The Jacksonville Jaguars lead the AFC South. And if you look at that division, offensively the Colts are struggling. Offensively, the Titans are struggling.
Starting point is 00:05:47 Offensively, the Texans are struggling. It looks like to me, Doug Peterson and the Jags, J. was right, have a real shot to win that division. Where Colin was wrong. Alan Robinson has made no impact for the Rams. Seven catches, three games, dropped a touchdown at the goal line, and a lot of people were saying he was overpaid when he came and he was washed. But my takeaway was, when they traded for him, he was like, what, 28, 29 years old?
Starting point is 00:06:18 He's always been highly productive. And a lot of his issues with the bears, I didn't blame. him. I blamed, you know, Trebisky. But he has made no impact. And you know they want him to because Van Jefferson's out. OBJ is no longer around. They're dying for him to be a nine catch-a-game guy. He has made no impact at all with the Rams. Where Colin was right? I said to all the critics of Jalen Hertz, he's productive. Stop nitpicking. He's got an incredible work ethic. Right now, he has the fifth highest passer rating in the NFL. A lot of times, first impressions are powerful.
Starting point is 00:06:58 And, you know, he got replaced in college by Tua, and he came in inaccurate and small. But I'll say this for him. That guy has made giant leaps pre-snap, throwing the deep ball. He looks totally in control of the offense. I'm getting over 300 yards passing. And he's making some tight window.
Starting point is 00:07:22 throws. He comes out on script is excellent. He's excellent off script in the second half. This kid is a gamer. Where Colin was wrong. I had Oklahoma as the number two team in the country and after rolling three cupcakes, they could not stop Kansas State. A Kansas State team that got beat by Tulane. Kansas State had almost 300 yards rushing. And everybody told me that Brent Venables, He was going to make Oklahoma tougher. Maybe it was just tougher to watch. That was as bad a defensive performance. I know, I know that soft West Coast guy, Lincoln Riley left.
Starting point is 00:08:02 We finally got one of ours. I don't know. I just, I thought defensively, couldn't make stops in critical situations, couldn't make stops in the red zone, not good. Where Colin was right? Mac Jones, I said, first of all, he's not talented enough to overcome Matt Patricia Colling plays. Right now he has two touchdown passes and five picks.
Starting point is 00:08:28 Last for starting quarterbacks in the league. Six giveaways total. Last for quarterbacks in the league. His passer rating is in the mid-s70, 76, 31st in the NFL. Quarterbacks need help, especially limited quarterbacks, and now he's hurt. That'll do him no favors as he's trying to get snaps and figure out this. this offense. If he misses four, six, eight weeks, then where do you go with these Joe Judge Matt Patricia play callers, which just seem outdated and out of touch?
Starting point is 00:09:02 Where Colin was wrong. Well, I said about two months ago, three months ago, the Bears have to trade linebacker Roquan Smith and get a receiver or get an offensive tackle. Well, actually, yesterday he had 16 tackles, a key interception to set up the winning field goal for the Bears. Yes, he is their best player. And yes, I think they need so much help offensively. I mean, Justin Fields is completing what, seven, eight throws a week? I mean, I don't think you can win in the NFL like that, but Roquan Smith is so dominant. If you didn't know this defense, if you didn't know anything about football, you'd be like, who's the guy that's making all the tackles and making all the plays? He has been invaluable for the Bears so far.
Starting point is 00:09:46 Where Colin was wrong. I have been pro-stom. Steve Sarkesian for years, but that was an ugly loss to Texas Tech. Now, Texas Tech has players. It's not a terrible program, but you've got to win games like this. You can't go toe-to-toe with Alabama and then lose games like this. And, you know, these close games, you've got better athletes. Your staff is making a lot more than Texas Tech. You should have better coaches.
Starting point is 00:10:10 You just can't lose this game. Now, in defense, they're using a backup quarterback. Quinn Ewers comes back here in a couple of weeks. It's not ideal. But when you're watching Texas defensively, they just look sloppy. Too many openings. They almost surrendered 500 yards to Texas Tech. Yeah, I've been a supporter of Sark.
Starting point is 00:10:36 That was not a good weekend for me. I'll tell you, it was. It was an amazing Saturday. It was. You know, Albert Breers around the corner, I want to say this. So all I heard, and I understand, are emotional. College football fans are more emotional than NFL fans, usually because NFL fans are in a bigger city. They've got an NBA team, an NFL team, a baseball team. You know,
Starting point is 00:11:01 and there's always a different season. When you live in like, you know, Norman, Oklahoma or, or, you know, Auburn, Alabama, if your football team's bad, it ruins your year. Right. So, like, I get the fanaticism that follows. But maybe the dumbest thing I've ever heard of fan base say is, you know, Lincoln Riley, we're glad. he's out of here. I mean, the guy went to three playoffs and lost all three. Yeah, he lost to LSU and, you know, Georgia and Bama. You know, maybe you've heard of them. The LSU team, you know, maybe, maybe you've heard, go look at who he lost to. They won 11 games each year. Lincoln Riley has literally gone to Los Angeles. Come to Los Angeles. The Trojans were four and eight. Their fans had bailed on them. They had no culture, no momentum, and a roster, half the guys have moved on. He literally has gone to the transfer portal and created a culture, momentum, and chemistry with guys that didn't live in the city five months ago, that didn't know where USC was. And they have absolute culture.
Starting point is 00:12:04 It's very Rams feeling. They won a game this weekend in which they didn't play particularly well on the road. Caleb Williams had his worst game as a college player, yet he was great in the last drive. So what he's done, can you imagine building a company and like 45% of it are brand-news. new and you're expected to compete at a high level your first day on the job. It's really remarkable. Meanwhile, Oklahoma inherited sold out crowds, momentum, a winning culture, lots of money, fans piling in. Yes, he had to replace his quarterback. It's Oklahoma. They got NFL players everywhere, even in their down years, and they're the first to lose. So listen, you don't have to, I understand fans getting
Starting point is 00:12:47 upset when a coach leaves. But outside of Alabama, Can you imagine the criticism of any college coach being he only wins 11 games a year and he loses in the playoffs? Outside of like Alabama, you kind of are considered great. Maybe Ryan Day, if he loses in the playoffs, I guess maybe he falls at, what, is there two programs in the country? You're out of your mind. By the way, 75% of coordinators who are hired. fail. And whereas Bob Stoops got a job at 39, people spotted his talent very early. Lincoln Riley got a head job at 33. People spotted his talent very early. Brett Venables didn't get a head job until 50.
Starting point is 00:13:35 He wasn't jumping off the page for anybody. Seventy-five percent of guys, even when they inherit great programs, do not work. I don't know what's going to happen in Oklahoma. They passed the eye test. They got great players everywhere. But be real careful about not being satisfied with 11 wins a year, one of the most creative offenses in the country, and getting to the playoff annually. I mean, outside of maybe Bama, that's great for the other 130 programs in the country. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games.
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Starting point is 00:18:43 There's a lot of things to talk about. I want to go to last night. So I defended Jimmy G. today, and here's my takeaway. Stafford, Brady, and Burrow, for different reasons, didn't practice a lot, didn't play in the preseason, and scuffed it in the first couple weeks. Jimmy G. didn't even get snaps, had a shoulder surgery. They hid the playbook, and this was his first start. And Denver in high altitude and that pass rush, that is a rough opening assignment. I'm like, I look at the Niners, and I'm like, I think they'll beat the Rams next week.
Starting point is 00:19:14 I think they're fine. People are freaking out. What was your takeaway on the Niners last night? Yeah, I mean, obviously, they look disjointed offensively. Defensively, it does look like it's coming together. Like, they're going to be one of the best defenses in the league. And obviously, a lot of talent on that side of the ball. But I mean, you're right, Colin. Like, I think that there is a lot of, like, a reacclamation that needs to happen here offensively for the Niners. Jimmy didn't take part in any of the spring work. And in the summer, he was off on a side field. He's got the shoulder injury he's coming back from. He's got to sort of reestablish himself with Debo Samuel. Brendan I, youk, spent the entire offseason working out with Trey Lance. You know, so there's a lot of
Starting point is 00:19:54 pieces that need to come together there. And I do think the Niners have the talent to make it work. Obviously, losing Trent Williams for maybe a little while is going to be a blow. But they have talent on offense to make it work, no question about it. But Jimmy had a really weird offseason. And coming in there in the Seattle game is a little bit different than having a team spend a week game planning for you like Denver had the opportunity to do. So I would expect there probably will be some bumps the next couple of weeks. And you know, you hope if you're the Niners that by Halloween or so, you're fine with Jimmy in there. I want to throw this at you with Russell Wilson. So this offense, the Hackett-Lafluur thing with Aaron Rogers, in his first year with it, Aaron's.
Starting point is 00:20:33 He completed 62% of his throws, pass a rating like 94-95. Second year, different. Last year, you know, it was different. So now Russell brings his act to a new staff, and we don't know if Hackett's the guy or not. And it's like last night, I feel like there's been this deference. Like Russell's like, want to be a good soldier, I'll listen to the coach. And Hackett is a nice guy, but he's not going to bulldoze Russell. And I felt like last night, at the end of that game, Russell said, okay, enough. I'm just going to take control of the offense and do me.
Starting point is 00:21:08 That's what it felt like to me that they were. we're feeling each other out trying to be nice guys. And then Russell finally said, I'm just going to do what I do. I think he's sort of had a lot of that from the start, though, Colin. Like, if you look at the beginning, the beginning of the season, right, that game in Seattle on Monday night, you know, I've talked to a number of different coaches for opposing teams that looked at that tape and said, it looks like the coaches were waiting for Russell to do something in the last minute of that game when they didn't call a time out. And so I think they've given Russell a fair amount of autonomy out there. And that was part of the deal him bringing Russell over.
Starting point is 00:21:40 You know, Russell didn't just want a new contract or a new team. He wanted something that was going to be built around him. And that was sort of his complaint all for all those years in Seattle. They played him as a Seahawk as sort of an option quarterback and a run heavy offense. And he felt like, hey, I can play like a Tom Brady. I can play like a Peyton Manning. And that was where a lot of the friction between Russell and the Seahawks was, was that the Seahawks didn't really believe he could be that guy.
Starting point is 00:22:04 They gave him a shot when Brian Schottonheimer was the O.C. but they really believe that he could be that guy. Now, you know, the Broncos are giving him the chance to be that guy. And I think it's going to take some time to work it out. And I mean, I don't know for sure that he's going to make it, you know, playing that sort of way. But you see it in the way that they're deploying him out there where he's in the shotgun a lot. He's got autonomy out there on the field. And some of those things aren't working quite yet.
Starting point is 00:22:29 And I think you saw that at the end of the game last night. You know, you mentioned kind of his autonomy out there and his ability to do things in the fly. you know, I noticed at the end of that game, he's pulling the rip court a little bit more and using his legs to make plays where I feel like the first couple of weeks of the season. He was trying really, really hard to be that sort of field general back there where he stood back there, read the field and got rid of the ball rather than running with it. Yeah. So, you know, Mike McDaniel, a lot of times it's not just coaching its personality. And I think Tua reminds me a little at DAC. He's unbelievable at the podium. You can throw, anything at him, he just handles it. He's got kind of a reservoir emotionally to handle chaos. Brian Flores, the owner, Deshawn Rumors. I mean, just all, Ryan Fitzpatrick. And he's just,
Starting point is 00:23:20 he's got that sort of conviction about him. He knows he trusts himself. And then McDaniel comes in, who's a brainiac, but he's kind of quirky and funny and witty. And I would love to know, you talked about this in your column, like, it seems like the personality match works, too. Like they really like being around each other. There was a no moment that a couple of dolphins people pointed out to me in the summer where Tua was up at the podium and everybody in the organization noticed this. And it didn't get a lot of attention nationally, but someone asked to what has changed here. And he looked at the reporter, paused and said everything.
Starting point is 00:23:57 And I think that's sort of like, I think illustrates where they are right now. I think Tua felt like the old staff were better or worse, didn't trust him. and it really didn't help that they kept flip-flopping play callers, that they've kept changing offensive staff. And I think from the beginning, Tua felt like Brian Flores didn't really want him there. And that's, I think, maybe the biggest change is that Mike McDaniel has been brought in to fix Tua Volaola and to help the organization come to a final answer on Tua Vala. And Mike McDaniel made the conscious decision that the best way to do that is to connect with
Starting point is 00:24:35 the guy emotionally. Yeah. is to get the guy to trust him. And, you know, I think Mike believes that that offense can really work for Tua, if Tua trust that it's going to work for him. And so that answer at the podium where he said, everything has changed, I think shows that that trust has been established. And you see a guy who's going out there and not just trusting himself, you know,
Starting point is 00:24:55 when he's talking about things like you're talking about there, Colin. He's trusting himself out there on the field. And he's trusting the people out there around him to do their jobs as well. And that's such a huge part of it. He's trusting the offense to work for him. He's trusting Tyree Kill and Jalen Wattle to make plays for him. And I think you see a guy who's now playing a little bit more like he did at Alabama, where he can be more of the point guard than having to do everything.
Starting point is 00:25:17 By the way, this receiving core looks a lot like Alabama. Guys after the catch, it really does. And it's not a mistake either. Yeah, exactly. Design into his strengths, lean into him. So Lamar Jackson would be my MVP today. You know, I've said this for years. I had this argument, not an argument,
Starting point is 00:25:35 but a debate with a friend. I said, if you sign him to a contract for four years, and after four years he got hurt and started eroding. But for four years, I knew he didn't make the Super Bowl. He only won the division once. He made the playoffs three times. That's reasonable. And he only won two playoff games.
Starting point is 00:25:51 Of course I would sign him. Opposed to what? You know, being, you know, I mean, to driving, being Seattle or Arizona and you're, you know, Band-Aid and bondoing it and trying to figure it out. Like, I look at this thing with him and I'm like, he wins 77% of his games in a good division. I could just stop there, right? Like, it seems to me he's like adding an element to his game every year.
Starting point is 00:26:16 That's what my eyes tell me. What are you here? And I mean, I'll say this, Colin, there was a play in the Jets game in the opener where he no looked a safety. He pushed his safety over with his eyes and he no looked the ball to Devin Dubernate for a touchdown. Yes. And no one picked up on it, right? But it happened.
Starting point is 00:26:34 And if Mahomes does that or Matthew Stafford does that, we're going crazy over it. And you're starting to see Lamar Jackson manipulate defenses from the pocket. And a lot of times that's, you know, the last step for a quarterback as a passer and making the move to the elite level. And I'm not saying he's as consistent a guy when it comes to that sort of stuff. Sure. As a Patrick Mahomes or as a Josh Allen even is right now. But when you look at what he can bring in the running game and then you add the fact that he's operating that way from the pocket. and that he can manipulate defenses from the pocket.
Starting point is 00:27:07 I see a guy who's in command here. And, you know, John Harbaugh said it after the game yesterday. He's doing all the things that a quarterback needs to do from the pocket. Does it look a little bit different than we're used to? Yes. Is there going to be some risk involved in the way he plays? Yes, because there's really no history of a team playing a quarterback, the way the Ravens have played Lamar Jackson over his first four years in the league.
Starting point is 00:27:30 But you can't argue with the results. And you can't argue with who the guy has been for your organization. as a leader. And you can't argue with the work he's done because he's improved year over year. And to me, like that no look pass against the Jets to Devin Duvernay in the opener was a great example of it. Like we all sort of look at Lamar one way. And if you sort of look in different directions at him and look at some of the little things he's doing, you can see some real growth there. So sometimes in this league you lose and you feel pretty good about it. Like if I'm San Francisco this morning, I'm like, listen, Jimmy G just needs snaps. Last week,
Starting point is 00:28:04 the first week he got all the snaps. I think Buffalo comes out and thinks, we dominated the game and lost. It's in the heat. Now we come back home. Our defense was never on the field. We'll be healthier. And then there's wins where you're like, I don't know. So Green Bay now can't score in the second half.
Starting point is 00:28:23 And I believe, and Trent Dilfer said it earlier, because he doesn't trust the young receivers once it's off the script. Once you're off scripted plays, he doesn't trust him. yesterday Evans Godwin Donovan Smith Julio Jones Brady's going through a marriage crisis
Starting point is 00:28:41 interior offensive lines of mess and we almost went to overtime their last eight drives seven punts they had 92 but it was interesting Albert because if you watched his body language after the first half fumble by Green Bay he did it again Aaron went into this
Starting point is 00:28:58 I can't trust my teammates and their offense ended for the next hour and a half. I looked at that Green Bay win and I thought, that's concerning. That game shouldn't have come down to a play, right? Yeah, so I talked to Matt LaFleur when he got off the plane in Green Bay last night,
Starting point is 00:29:16 and we talked a bunch about how there are things that they're going through right now that are sort of intentional and that are going to cause some short-term pain. And, you know, what he likes about where they are right now is they're learning how to win games a different way. Like, they need the defense to step. up in that spot last night on the two-point conversion.
Starting point is 00:29:36 And look, like Tom Brady put the Superman cape on at the end of that game and drove the team down the field going to guys like Russell Gage and winds up getting them in the end zone after changing like a dozen things on that final play to squeeze the ball in there. But on a two-point play, one of their captains, Devondre Campbell, gets his hand in there, makes the play to make a stop. And I think that they learn that they can win a different way. And I think a big part of this, Colin, and this is an important nuance when it comes to how the Packers have played their seasons the last couple of years. They're using the first month of the season or so as an extended preseason.
Starting point is 00:30:12 And look what they're doing. They're getting their rookie receivers, Romeo Dobbs and Christian Watson before he got hurt, snaps, right? Like just for better or worse, those guys are going to be out there and those guys are going to learn. They gave Elkton Jenkins and David Backtiari extra time to get back healthy. This is all aimed at being a better team in November and December. And if you remember, the same thing happened last year. That weird opener in Jacksonville was a home game for New Orleans because they had had the hurricane back in Louisiana.
Starting point is 00:30:39 New Orleans came out and blew them out with James. And everybody was pushing the panic button then. Packers were doing the same thing. They're trying to figure out where they can get a spot, get into a spot where they're going to be at their best in November and December. And I really think Matt LaFleur and that staff believe that by giving Watson and Dobbs the snaps early in the season. By giving Jenkins and Backtiari a chance to get back fully healthy, they're going to be better offensively when we get to November and December. And in the meantime,
Starting point is 00:31:06 they get to learn to win different ways. It was with the running game against the Chicago. Yesterday, it was against the defense against Tampa. And so I think that they feel like they've got a team that's able to win more different ways than maybe it has been in the past. And they really have confidence because Aaron Rogers is still there that the offense will come along in time. Albert Breer Monday morning quarterback. Great stuff as always, man. Appreciate your legwork. Thanks. Awesome. Thanks, Colin.
Starting point is 00:31:31 Yeah, a lot of stuff. Here's Jason McIntyre with the news. Turn on the news. This is the Herdline News. All right, Colin, we're going to start with a little major league baseball. Albert Pooholz made history on Friday night, hit two bombs, and the Cardinals win against the Dodgers. Now hit 700 home runs in his career.
Starting point is 00:31:50 He is only the fourth player along with Bonds, Hank Aaron, and Babe Ruth to hit that mark in Major League Baseball history. Little Renaissance. Yeah, we love a little announcer love here. Let's hear the 700th home run from Albert Pujols. Let's hear it. A swing and there goes. Left field, way back for 700.
Starting point is 00:32:18 Pujols hits a three-run homer, and he hit 699 and 700 at Dodger Stadium. Every Cardinal is out of the dugout. congratulating Albert Pujols. The Dodgers are on the top step, clapping for their former teammate and friend who they honored before the game today. Everybody in the ballpark is standing.
Starting point is 00:32:41 What a great moment, a Hollywood moment, here in L.A. Very nice. Dodger fans are very thoughtful. Quick Albert Pujol story. So when I was a young reporter at this newspaper in New Jersey, I had to cover a Mets Cardinals game. And I thought you could just go up to players as they're walking around. Obviously, you can't do that. Hey, Albert, hey, Jason, quick question.
Starting point is 00:33:01 He just walks by me like I said nothing. Totally ignores me like I don't exist. Congratulations. Fonz did that to me when I was 23. Don't you love those moments as a young guy? Great teaching moment. You think you matter, and the athletes want to talk to you. They don't care.
Starting point is 00:33:13 Next up, Buffalo Bills, Colin. Suffer their first loss of the season yesterday could not get a spike off so they could attempt the game-winning field goal late in that game. Just a dramatic game. Buffalo should have never been in it at the end, but they should have pulled away earlier. I don't know, Colin. What did you make of the headset throw?
Starting point is 00:33:32 That was great. I put it on Instagram, a lot of clicks on that one. Here's Ken Dorsey ticked off. Look at that anger. He's just spiking stuff in the press box. You've got to love it. Yeah, you know, here's the thing. There's a lot of stuff that happens that fans don't see.
Starting point is 00:33:50 And now with cameras, you see the emotion that in the 60s, 80s, 80s, you didn't see. This is not the first time that's happening. it's the first time you've seen it happen. I mean, think about it now. I mean, like even assistant coaches, you have no privacy. They have like these what they call lipstick cams. Inside, that used to be like you couldn't go in there. Sacred, yeah. Oh, that was totally sacred ground. I mean, what's next? The training room? This is entertainment. Is it not? You know? If you think that's the first time that's ever happened, you're out of your mind. It's that's what happens. I've, I have literally in my life, About four or five times in my life have sat next to in a suite next to a coaching room.
Starting point is 00:34:33 You can hear them swearing through the wall. They're saying bad words? It's like I'm not here to defend it or not. I'm just saying that is not the first time that's happened. Yeah, certainly. Maybe Dorsey's upset. I have this in my notes. The bills drove into the red zone three times in the second half and got a total of three points.
Starting point is 00:34:52 Yes, that's it. They had some struggles. I don't think it was all the Miami defense. This Buffalo run situation, there's something there. You keep bringing it up. They can't run the football. Josh Allen, of the 90 plays, 70 of them. Of the 90, he has to save the team.
Starting point is 00:35:08 You're playing, by the way, it's Miami in September. It's a sauna. I thought by the end of the game, some of the situational stuff, it's like putting in golf. You're worn down. It's Sunday. Four days in the heat. Your putting goes.
Starting point is 00:35:23 You didn't forget how to put. You're exorational. You know what I mean? Your focus diminishes. I thought Josh Allen just looked like he was shot. I thought he was just tired. Drained, yeah. All right, week three wraps up tonight.
Starting point is 00:35:35 NFC East divisional battle. Cowboys and the Giants. It looks like the Cowboys have said Michael Gallup will play his first game, returning off injury. Dallas has won nine of the last 10 matchups against the G-Men, but no Dak Prescott. And the Giants are the worst two-and-o team in the league. Sorry, just had to get that.
Starting point is 00:35:54 dig in there. Who do you like tonight? Well, Giants are favored by one and a half points at home. We've talked ad nauseum. You bet Daniel Jones on the road, right? Tennessee Week 1. You don't bet him at home. Now, they did get lucky against Carolina last week. I have a feeling Dallas is going to win this game. I'm on Dallas and the under. The under
Starting point is 00:36:10 keeps dropping because, you know, it's Cooper Rush and Daniel Jones. I'm more interested in Micah Parsons. Because you're seeing a little Lawrence Taylor out of him. You light him up on the engine. He's terrifying. You know, left tackles. Evan Neil, the young guy, going up against Micah Parsons could wreck this game. He's fun to watch.
Starting point is 00:36:27 Yep. No, I think I like Dallas in the points. I mean, again, we're betting. Giants are weird. They're not good. They're all, well, they're just even the Eli years. They're often better away from home than home. I mean, remember the first Super Bowl. They went Plaxico in Green Bay.
Starting point is 00:36:42 They went on the road. And then eventually they went to Phoenix and beat Brady. It was like they were better away from Giant Stadium. It's crazy to think that the Giants, if they win this, are going to be 3 and 0. Going against the 2-1 Bears next one. week. In Cooper Rush versus Justin Fields, and at some point, we got to talk about Justin Fields, completely like seven passes again. No, but we got to be patient with him. How are they winning?
Starting point is 00:37:04 Well, the defense and their luck. Weather week one against him. They all count as double-use. J-Mac with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, what's up everybody? It's me. Three-time Pro Bowl of LeVar. Arrington and I couldn't be more excited to announce a new podcast called Up On Game. What is Up on Game, you ask? Along with my fellow Pro Bowler, T.J. Hushmanzada and Super Bowl champion. Yep, that's right.
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Starting point is 00:38:35 I don't care which I'll say. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement
Starting point is 00:38:51 to my brand-new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast, it's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream,
Starting point is 00:39:22 this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do a little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at a podcast.
Starting point is 00:39:49 I'm Sam Jett. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a here, unpack what we? went down and tried to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack all day, but just so you all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack,
Starting point is 00:40:12 so I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now, so. Thank you for finishing that sentence. Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hard Way with me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Kear Games.
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Starting point is 00:41:31 Open your free iHeartRadio app. Search Learn the hard way and listen now. I know it can sound kind of corny, but culture matters a lot because if you have a business, any kind of business, small, medium, large, you're going to have bad days, bad months, annually, you're going to have pandemics. And so do you have a culture that can withstand it where everybody's getting better, everybody, not everybody's always happy, but it takes you cultures, a lot of stuff works when the going gets good for everybody. But you go into a recession, you have a pandemic. That's when your culture,
Starting point is 00:42:06 a good culture can withstand it. And a prime example is the Rams. Their culture is great. Their coaches great and their culture's great. Right now, they could easily be 0 and 3 in a mess. They brought over Alan Robinson. It's not working. OBJ, not available. He's gone. right? Van Jefferson on the I-R, out for months. Basically one trustable receiver, Cooper Cup. Cam Acres, the running back, has a fumble issue, fumbled again at the goal line and reportedly doesn't like to practice. Their O-line's a mess. Their top 10 center out. Great left tackle, retired. Both guards hurt, one in preseason. And they're two and one. And they got a game against the Niners next weekend. What you're seeing with the Rams is all of.
Starting point is 00:42:53 about culture and coaching. They're a bit of a mess. Offensively, they're just kind of figuring it out as they go. And that's where culture comes. Every business, oh boy, you know, Markets up 10,000. Markets up this. Everybody in the good times is rolling. You really see well-run operations when you've got a multitude of issues.
Starting point is 00:43:16 And the Rams have them all over O-line, wide receiver, running back. you know, up against the cap, it'd be great if you can solve them. They can't. And here was Sean McVey after yesterday's win over Arizona where they were, Arizona had eight more first downs. Arizona was 50% on third down. Arizona dominated time of possession. They have a culture problem in Arizona.
Starting point is 00:43:44 They may have a coaching problem. The Rams wanted on culture yesterday. Here's Sean McVeigh. overall a lot of really uh it was it was a strange game you know but we'll take the uh win there is no style points in this league but there are ways of playing more complete games and that's what we're hunting up there's still so much football to be played um you know i'm glad and very very grateful like i talked to you guys about last week that we were able to come away with the win and i'm also encouraged that we can continue to really have a lot of learning opportunities
Starting point is 00:44:12 so i'm watching philadelphia and it's it's very funny years ago i'm not going to mention the kid's name, but there was a quarterback in, he was a really talented high school quarterback in Southern California, about seven, eight years ago. Big attitude. Dad had an attitude. Kid had an attitude. And I knew a coach in college football and he said, the kid's got tons of talent, but dad ruined him. Kid won't make it. Got all the answers, and he's 17 years old. And the kid's done nothing. And it's too bad, right? And so like so much of working in the NFL, you see it with Lamar Jackson, you see it with Josh Allen, you see it with Jalen Hertz is just attitude so in Oklahoma Baker was going to be a star and
Starting point is 00:44:53 Kyler was going to be a star and Jalen Hertz came in after being benched in Alabama he went to Oklahoma and everybody kind of looked at him like yeah he's a he's a college quarterback not big enough he's not very accurate he's a college quarterback he got benched at Alabama and he's the star Kyler moody doesn't want to run Baker good luck with that and Jalen Hurts. Hertz is the rock star. The prospect, the kid that's basically, as they call it, working in the dark, head down. Look at Jalen Hertz. Look at what he was when he came into this league. Look at his trajectory. That is work. Year 1, 52% completion percentage to 61 to 67. Passing yards 220 to 305. Passer rating is insane. You know who that looks like? Three years as a starter.
Starting point is 00:45:47 that looks just like Josh Allen. And I'd be the first to tell you, I said when Josh Allen came out of college, I remember saying, huge bus potential, not accurate, out of control. I watched him play Oregon and Iowa, and I'm like, he's a hot mess. He's got a huge arm, but good God, he's out of control. Josh Allen got good coaching, offensive coaching, Brian Daibold, worked his tail off, worked in the dark, stuff you didn't see. you wake up and look at Josh Allen.
Starting point is 00:46:19 Josh Allen, but he's six, six and jumping over people, but he went to a small school. Go look at Josh Allen's story. It's all about people doubted him. People told him he couldn't do it. It's exact same story for Jalen Hertz. The exact same story. Their trajectory is the exact same, like massive, massive moves. With Josh Allen and Hertz, you think that first big leap, you're like, okay, that's it.
Starting point is 00:46:44 And then they make another huge. You can't tell me that's not about chip on the shoulder, hard work. You can't tell me that's not a huge component to this stuff. So I think Jalen Hertz is, I think he's a great story. And I think first impressions are incredibly powerful. And Nick Seriani looked like a goofball at the podium. And I wrote him off. I mean, I was like, this guy's terrified.
Starting point is 00:47:09 How's going to talk in front of 55 alpha males? He's terrible. And I wrote off Jalen Hertz. I'm like, he's too small. I watched them in college, he's not accurate. He and Josh Allen are, the trajectory is insane. It's straight up. How often do we find these quarterbacks who don't go top five end up becoming the best quarterback
Starting point is 00:47:27 in the draft? Lamar Jackson falls to the end of the first round. Russell Wilson, what third round? Dak Prescott, mid-round pick. It's like these top five guys, either the pressure gets to them or they go to bad organizations maybe who don't know how to handle quarterbacks. Here's the other thing. When you're a top five or six quarterback, the marketing.
Starting point is 00:47:45 machine. You start getting ads. And, you know, your Baker-Mainfield and Progressive says, here's $5 million for ads. And you're like, I was a walk-on. I'm going to take that loot. And then all of a sudden, you take the spots and the commercials and you set yourself up to fail. Because now you've made yourself a rock star. So I think it's hard. Nobody was offering Josh Allen commercials his first two and a half years. Nobody cared outside of Buffalo. Nobody was offering Jaylon Hurts any of that stuff. And I've said this before. I don't think it's a coincidence that why are both New York teams a mess and why are the Packers generally well run and the Colts well run and Kansas City well run and New Orleans Saints well run.
Starting point is 00:48:27 In these smaller markets, there's fewer distractions. I mean, you play in L.A. You play in Chicago. You play in New York. You play in Miami. It's a lot of distractions. One of the great cultures in American sports is the Miami Heat. I mean, to be, that's one of the hardest working, intense organizations in the league. Those guys are 25 years old and there's aqua water outside. It is easy to convince a kid in Cleveland. Work more. Well, not Johnny Mansell.
Starting point is 00:49:01 Well, listen, most kids. I remember when I worked at ESPN, I always said one of the strengths of the organization, I told the former CEO George Bodhneimer said, the great advantage here, there's nothing to do beyond work. Connecticut's boring. I said, those guys over at Fox, off at 4 o'clock to have a margarita. It's like, you're right, it's on the beach. I'm like, there are advantages when you don't have a ton of choices. And I look at these Jalen Hertz and Josh Allen, no commercials, nobody's lining up.
Starting point is 00:49:30 They just had to go, as they say, work in the dark, get stuff done, head down, prove the critics wrong. Both got some really nice offensive coaching. That's obviously vital. Good stories. MDrive supplements. $5 if you've never tried them. How? Text, Heard to 55,000.
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Starting point is 00:50:30 It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, this is Robert from the Stuff to Blow Your Mind podcast. Joe and I are both lifelong Star Wars fan, so we're celebrating May the 4th with a brand new week of fun, thought-provoking
Starting point is 00:51:05 Star Wars-related episodes. Join us as we tackle science and culture topics from a galaxy far, far away. such as the biology of taun tons and wampas on the ice planet hot, or the practicality and corporate business sense of the Sith rule of two. Listen to stuff to blow your mind on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:51:30 Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast. The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfilled of conversations with athletes, creators, and voices
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