The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 2 - Right & wrong, Steelers

Episode Date: October 24, 2022

Where Colin was right and wrong over the weekend The Steelers need to find out what they have at QB Has Tom Brady been given too much power?   Guest: Eric ManginiSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's a great Monday. There's a ton to talk about. It's the herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening. IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, FS1. We've got the Phillies. A great story. I'm not sure if they're a great team.

They're a great story and a good team. And the Astros, who are a great team, I'm not sure they're a good story. And nobody likes the Astros. So we have a great story against the great team. It's much easier for me to root for the great story over the great team. I think I want Philadelphia. to win. I love Miles Teller, who I think is one of the more relatable stars in Hollywood.

In a town Hollywood that nobody's relatable, Miles Teller may be the most relatable guy in Hollywood. I like his work. He's a normal guy. He likes sports. He likes, you know, he's like a normal Hollywood guy. And there's like four of them in the world. Wow, I didn't know you're such a Miles Teller fan. Oh, just Top Gun, he's amazing. Top Gunn is very good. Then the making of the Godfather. Have you seen that one? I have not seen that. It's called the offer. Oh, he's sensational. There was the one movie where he was playing an instrument and... Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's Whiplash. Whiplash, that's one of the greatest, most underrated movies of the last 15 years.

Miles Teller is my new guy in Hollywood. I've always like Michael Keaton. Okay. Always like Ed Norton, Don Cheetah, Matt Damon, wife loves Matt Damon, and now it's Miles Teller. I'm a Jerry O'Connell guy myself. I kind of know him a little bit and he's a Jets fan, so, yeah. That's sad to hear. All right, Colin right, Colin wrong in a Monday, here we go.

Where Colin was right. Another winning week, blazing five, three and two. We took the Seahawks to upset the Chargers. We took the jets to beat Denver, and we took the points with the commander. So we want the Ravens, I'm done betting the Ravens. They become my Falcons. They just keep burning me week after week, and I like them, but I'm over it. I'm done.

I was on the wrong side of the Chiefs game. I'm sorry for that. So three and two, we're 18 and 12 on the year. Where Colin was wrong. I had Brady and the Bucks as a Super Bowl bubble team. a mess. Todd Bull said this weekend, they're in a dark place. I think Brady's personal issues are affecting his play. He's got more power. He wanted Bruce Ariens out. Well, guess what? Bruce Ariens and Tom Brady were magic. He and Todd Bulls, he's got too much power. It's not working.

Completely wrong. When a coach admits we're in a dark place, well, it's week seven. You got to get to the right place here within the next couple of weeks. Where Colin was right? The rest of you were selling your bingles stock. And I said, oh, buy all. of it, slow down. Joe Burrow had major surgery. They took his appendix out. He didn't practice. He didn't play. By the second half of the Cowboys game, I said,

I see a really good team developing. Well, I think they're the third or fourth best team in the league. They have not allowed a touchdown. This is remarkable. In the second half all year. That is an unbelievable number. I think that hasn't happened since like the 70s. The Bengals are legit.

I never sold my stock. And here we are. was wrong. Well, it's not about the individual game. The Niners were terrible, but I did think it was the ugliest performance I have seen in some time. Now, they got the Rams, the Chargers in Arizona coming up, and I think they're going to go three and oh or at least two and one, but I did not expect this performance. It was, you know, chalk it up to Mahomes is amazing. By the way, have you noticed how the Chiefs are used in Juju Smith-Schuster? You guys all sold your stock. I sold mine. It's amazing. You put him with a coach. You put him with Mahomes.

But that, you know, I'm a nineer guy, and that was a mess. That was a mess at home. Where Colin was right? Listen, Dan Campbell's a really nice guy. He's earnest. He's genuine. But Ra, Ra,'s got a ceiling. You know, I've said before, he's a nice man, but he's got sort of a former player meathead

quality I'm not into one and five this year, 313 and one last year. I know everybody loves him, but bad at the podium didn't help. I think he's a nice guy. I think he's genuine and earnest, and I think he should be a football coach. But being a head coach, some guys are vice president, some guys are president, some people are coordinators, some people are head coaches. It's a lot of raw, raw 1970s, 80s football stuff in the game. I just don't think Dan Campbell's the guy.

Where Colin was really wrong. Not only on the Seahawks, but Gino Smith. This is the wrongest I have been in a long time. Five of their draft picks have become starters. Gino Smith is not only the comeback player of the year, they should name the award after him. He's the comeback player of the decade. He goes from a bust to a backup to a star. He's big, good arm, and they're coaching the heck out of him.

They lead the NFC West. I'm from Seattle, and I've ripped this organization for five years in a row. They're playing great. They're fast. They play with energy. They play with a purpose. And the Gino Smith story is like nothing I have ever seen in my life. Where Colin was right?

I said, I do not think Russell Wilson and Jerry Judy Click. My sources tell me he's fast but immature and Russell's not into him. The story this weekend, he's on the trade block. And so is KJ Hamler. This is what I've been told about this organization is that they're fast and they're talented, but there are concerns into the organization. Russell's just not going to connect with these guys. You know, he's, Russell's like 33 going on 43, and these guys are kids, but he is now on the trade block.

I'm not saying he's the fault or the problems for their issues, but we told you this wasn't going to work and wasn't working, and there you go. Where Colin was wrong. I love Sark, but he's 10 and 10 at Texas, wherever he goes, the defense flails, and he simply loses too many of these shootout games. Here's another one. Oklahoma State trailed by 10 in the third quarter. And all of a sudden you look up, an Oklahoma state has seized total control in the football game. Sark is a great recruiter and a very, very clever play designer. But wherever he goes, the defense is man overboard, and he loses too many of these wild games. And he loses control of his team late in these games.

Ten and ten at Texas. I'm wrong. Where Colin was right? Well, the Lakers, as we predict. are a mess. They're 44 over-under-win total. Best bet of the year, bet the under. It's the worst shooting team in the NBA. They're seventh and three attempts, dead last in making them. Darvindham's a rookie coach. They have no bench. They have no shooters. They're not built for LeBron. LeBron's a driver and a dishwasher. They got no shooters. The Westbrook thing now,

stop being stubborn. Nobody in L.A. cares about draft picks four years from now. Go get players. Go get shooters. LeBron's in year 20. You owe him that. Here's LeBron. after the game about Westbrook? I don't know. I feel like this is an interview of trying to set me up to say something. I can tell that you guys are in the whole Russell Westbrook category right now. You guys can write about Russ and all the things you guys want to try to talk about Russ, but I'm not up here to do that. I won't do it. I've said it over and over.

That is not my, it's not who I am. By the way, Russ Westbrook is not the Lakers' problem. He's a symptom of their problems. For eight years, they've been bottom 10 and three-point shooting. That said, he's shooting 8% on three-pointers. That's what it says in front of me. Where Colin was right. I think at this point I can shoot 8% on three-pointers.

Brian Kelly, I know he's not cool. The internet savers that. I know he can be cringy. Yeah, he's 5 and 2, crushed Old Miss that was unbeaten, tied with Bam in the SEC West. and he's made that quarterback Jaden Daniels look like potentially an NFL quarterback. Sorry, he's not cool. This guy wins everywhere he goes, and he wins quickly, everywhere he goes.

I look at LSU, and they are, remember, they were six and seven last year, and now they're tied with Alabama. Oh, by the way, Notre Dame stinks. I know you only like cool coaches. I think this guy is top three or four in the country, has been for years. everywhere Brian Kelly goes, they win, he knows offense. Listen, sometimes he's a little loud, but he went to LSU for a reason. Because that is a NFL machine, and he wanted to be able to say, okay, I've got as good

of players as Nick Saban does. Now we've got a fair fight, and he's probably a year or two, a recruiting class away from having just that. Colin right, Colin wrong on a Monday. All right, three years with the Jets, coach of the Browns as well, Fox Sports, Eric Manjini on a Monday. day joining us. You know, I said this to Trent Delfare coach. I said when Tom was in New England, it was a do-your-job, you don't have power, we're going to bark at you, sacrifice for the team.

He had a lot of success. Structure, structure, structure. He goes to Tampa, he gets all the power. The longer he's in Tampa, the uglier it gets. Now it's a coaching issue, a personal life issue. The team's a mess. And I feel like saying, some of the time. Sometimes all of us, all of us in life want power and we want to do it our way. Structure and sacrifice is hard. And I'm watching this thing in Tampa, Eric, and the more leverage in power and say Tom has, the uglier it gets every week. That's what I see. They're just unraveling.

What do you make of it? Yeah, I don't see this as a Tom Brady power issue at all. Look, the guy's 45 years old. He's going through things in his personal life that he has. hasn't gone through before and it's obviously very difficult and he's navigating through that so maybe he can't be as all in as he typically has been but but that you would expect that to me that there's bigger issues here he has nothing to do with the defense and the defense isn't playing very well when you give up a 126 quarterback rating to p j walker when you give up a 6.4 yard average that

the carolina's running in after they trade away their best running back that's a defensive issue. Your best player drops a touchdown pass. There's other things there that aren't related to Tom Brady and the power struggle. And when you look at it from a coaching perspective, I think one of the most interesting things there is Todd Bowles goes from just the defensive coordinator to the head coach, and the defense isn't playing as well. And now you've got Bruce Ariens who's still in the building.

And I know they're not talking about coaching changes, but that's a very easy transition to make. Maybe it's not he goes back to being the head coach, but he could easily become way more involved very quickly. All right. Bruce Ariens in the building. Good point. So I said before the season, people are what they are.

Your game is your game. Aaron is not a patient mentoring, put my arms around these kids guy. It's not who he is. He's 38 single. He doesn't walk the dog in the morning. He doesn't bring the wife. coffee. Aaron's going to do what Aaron's going to do. He's not perfectly built for a young receiving core to be patient. It's Iroll City. I don't think you can solve this unless you go get him a

veteran receiver. What do they do well? I mean, you tell me, what do they do well? Well, here's what I'm encouraged by in this situation. So Aaron Rogers, when they draft Jordan Love, he's pissed off. When he doesn't have a new contract, he's pissed off. When he's pissed off, he's MVP. And then he comes this year. He gets all the money. He gets all the power. He gets everything he wants.

He goes on the Zen trip in the summertime. And he's very content. And when he's content, he's not very good. And sometimes great players need to play angry. They need to find some way to continue to motivate him when it's not the money. It's not the fame. It's not the success. And now he's back to being pissed off.

And that's good. And look, in 2016, they were four and six, right? And then they go on an eight game winning streak. They almost run the table. They lose to the Falcons, the NFC championship game. The thing that I like the best about this situation is it looks like Aaron Rogers is back to being pissed off. And so maybe he's not going to nurture the young guys, but maybe he's going to demand that they perform at the level they're supposed to as professional football players. All right.

That's a different take. there are things in life that don't have a precedent and so I don't know how to explain him a quarterback is a bust a backup and becomes a star I don't even know what to make it Gino Smith I don't I've never seen this before he was basically borderline

out of the league he was a backup and he looks fantastic I mean what do you explain it to me Colin I feel like I woke up this morning in some sort of NFL ultral University. Tom Brady's, Tom Brady's on a team that's losing. Aaron Rogers on a team that's losing. Russell Wilson's on a team that's losing. And Gino Smith is playing incredibly. If you had,

if you had told me before the season that this was going to happen and it's a guarantee and you could bet your life savings, there's no way I would have done it. There's no, and it's, it's incredible. 107 quarterback rating running the ball as well as Seattle's run the ball with two rookie tackles. So the names you got to know are Shane Waldron and Andy Dickerson. Shane Waldron is the offense coordinator. Andy Dickerson is the run game coordinator and O-line coach. And they are both young and smart.

And look, you have to give them a ton of credit because Seattle's not winning with defense. Seattle's winning in an unbelievable fashion. More unbelievable than the Giants to me at this point. Yeah, no, it's crazy. So, listen, Mike McDaniel is getting heat for the kickfield goal stuff. But there is a stat. You've told me this before. If you score first in the NFL, you win 70% of the time.

If you score first at home, you win about 75% of the time. I don't know what the number is scoring first at home against the rookie quarterback, but it's probably 90% of the time. And I watched those first three series, and that was schemed, practice scripted. And I was like, wow. that is coaching. And then Tua off the script doesn't do anything. And so everybody's beaten up on him on the two points or going for instead of the field goals.

I don't love it either. But man, that first quarter looked like unbelievable offensive coaching to me. My interpretation is he's doing a great job with what Tua is able to do. There's things he doesn't throw, I mean, what do you make at McDaniels? Yeah, I like him. I like his demeanor. It's obviously very different than my demeanor and the coaches that have been around demeanor, but I think it works.

And there has been creativity in that offense. And two has looked like a real guy. And he's been criticized since he's got in. He's underachieving a lot of ways since he's got in. And McDaniels has a relationship with him. He's done creative things with him. He's got him to play well. and if he hadn't had the concussions and the setbacks that he has,

Miami, you know, three games ago was the hottest team in the NFL and an explosive. And I don't see why they can't get back to that. And he's going to get better as a head coach as it moves on. There's a lot of learning curve that goes in, especially early in the season. Yeah. Hey, I've got to talk about the Jets. By the way, I've got an hour and a half on this show and haven't talked to Dallas Cowboys. So everybody says all you do is talk about Cal boys.

No, I'm going to talk about him in a second for about four. minutes. I thought their game was totally boring. But I will say this. I had my doubts on Zach Wilson and Sala. Sala's had a great year. Zach Wilson, I'm still out on. It's almost as if they're coaching to just not let him lose the game. By the way, they see practice. I don't. They're taking the ball out of his hands totally. But I will say this. When I watch that defense and that energy, that's a lot of Sala. I mean, it looks like he is, that culture, that team loves him and buys into him. That's what I see.

What do you see? Yeah, you feel that. And to me, it is managing Zach Wilson. They're trying to not have him lose the game at this point. And we haven't seen any games where you look at it and says, okay, he went and won this game for us. It's definitely managing that process. and that's really hard from a planning standpoint.

But the rest of the group, you've seen tremendous progress defensively. You've seen progress on special teams. And when he stood up in the podium and everybody was down on him and down on the team, and he said, look, you're wrong and I'm going to take receipts. We all took a step back and said, hey, you probably don't want to do that. But I'm sure in the locker room, those guys appreciated the fact that he had such a conviction as to where they were and where they were going. And it wasn't for show.

It wasn't for the media. It was something that he sincerely felt. And the players, I imagine, rallied behind that. Yeah. Hey, finally, tonight, Patriots and the Bears. I like New England a lot tonight. This is what Bill does. You're a young quarterback.

You've been in the rooms. Justin Fields, I'm going to make a prediction, is going to struggle with his defense. So what is Bill, I mean, folks, I've seen it a thousand times if I've seen it twice. So what will Bill do tonight with young Justin Fields? What do you expect to see? Look, unfortunately, Justin Fields has struggled with most defenses as he's gone through the early part of his career. But with Bill, I'm sure it's an emphasis over and over again of we have got to keep this guy in the pocket.

We cannot let broken plays become big plays. he has got to beat us as a conventional quarterback in the pocket. And that's going to, I would imagine, it's all going to be their best run stoppers, their biggest players, their most athletic edge setters to keep him in the pocket, and see whether or not the bears can beat him throwing the ball. And if they do, they do. But you can't come out of that game where they beat you running the ball and they beat you because he's got a bunch of broken plays

that suddenly translate into 21 points. Yeah. All right, Eric, Man, Jeannie, God, New York, the Giants and the Jets. Forget their baseball teams. They're done. October, the Giants and the Jets are a real story. The Yankees and the Mets out.

What a strange October it is in the Apple. Great seeing you, coach. Good seeing you, too, guys. Isn't that crazy? If I had told you in August, Yankees will get swept. The Mets can't get out of early rounds. And the Jets and the Giants will be the shock of the league.

And there you go. I mean, it's fun. You know, everybody complains like the second half. I thought the Miami Pittsburgh game was wildly entertaining. Now, the first half was way more big plays. But I watched the Jets and the Broncos, and I got to be honest with you. I know everybody loves offense. But watching the Jets sort of, how do we hold on to this?

How do we just, without giving our quarterback situations to make mistakes, It was real chess. It was like Salas, like, played the field position game, field position game. Just make Denver drive the field and score. They're not going to. And I don't know. Ugly football can be fun too.

You also love to talk about quarterbacks. Colin, if you were to look around the league, 32 teams, just guessing right now, how many teams do you think need a new quarterback? Like the Jets, we agree. Zach Wilson very limited. Well, I don't think they need one yet. You got to give me, again, they're winning. and that is something.

But we're looking at at least 10 teams that need quarterbacks. Ask yourself this. So Seattle, the Seahawks have two first, two seconds, a third, two-fourths. They're stacked. And they have five kids they drafted last year that are starting and really good.

Seattle nails this next draft. I mean, they'll take a quarterback. But you can argue now with the talent they could bring it. And remember, Seattle's got a ton of cap space so they can go buy some deficiencies. their tackles, they're running back, their edge rushers. You could, you could, if you're Seattle, you look around and you're like, do we have to

take a quarterback with a first pick? Well, they have Denver's pick as well, right? No, no, they're all. Two first, two seconds. So Seattle's in an interesting situation. Gino looks like not only a starter, but a win-a-bunch-of-gainee-starter. It's, as Eric Mangini said, if you'd have told me this in August, I'd say you're out of your mind. but the NFL does this to us every year.

Half the teams that make the playoffs don't the following year and a team doubles their win total. And I think we could probably agree that Tampa Bay Buccaneers with Tom Brady at this rate, why would Brady come back, right? He's got to retire after the season. So now you add Tampa to the mix needing a quarterback and, you know, Jimmy Garapolo maybe becomes attractive. Daniel Jones could surface elsewhere.

Do the Giants keep him? Like, there's so many good stories. Daniel Jones is going to be really interesting. Yeah. Because they've been bad for a long time. So the question is, even if inside the room you've convinced yourself, we're not beating Mahomes, Alan, with this. You can convince yourself, we can win the division with this. So it'll be interesting to watch.

I want to see Daniel Jones against the Eagles. Do you know how close the Giants are to being like three and four or two and five? I mean, listen, again, I know the record says. It's the NFL. The margins are tiny. The Daniel Jones story is, I mean, the Jets are telling you, we don't really trust this kid yet. The Giants are like, no, we're asking them to make big throws in territory that's dangerous. To no receivers. They have no receivers right now.

Daniel Jones is becoming not Gino Smith shocking, but this turnaround's pretty impressive. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart Radio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all,

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The 2022 World Series begins Friday as Bryce Harper and the Phillies look to continue their storybook postseason run against an Astros team making their fourth trip to the fall classic in the last six seasons. Covers begins Friday at 7 Eastern 4 Pacific only on Fox and the Fox Sports app. Hour and a half didn't talk to Cowboys. Nice job. Don't need to, but I will say this, my interpretation of that looked like every single Cowboy game I've seen this year with DAC or Cooper Rush.

10-6 Dallas led with 245 in the fourth quarter. That's what the game was. They say in the NFL, I don't, they do. Jimmy Johnson does. Sean Payton does. You lose more games in the NFL than you win. Here's the Lions who let it half, 6 to 3. Here's their second half possessions.

Interception, punt, fumble, interception, fumble, fumble. The Lions lost this game. the Cowboys didn't win it. Detroit lost this game. Doesn't mean they're better, but Dallas was lousy on third down. They averaged five and a half a play. They're no better than Detroit. They probably got a better coach and they've got a much better defense. But if you're pretending this was DAC led, you're nothing more than a fanboy. The story of the Dallas Cowboys this year is defense, defense, defense. That is exactly what it is. Is Dak better than Cooper Rush? Yeah, and who cares? He should

but he makes $40 million a year. This team is 5 and 0 when the defense holds an opponent to 17 or less. The two times their defense isn't amazing, the Cowboys are 0 and 2. One with Cooper, one with that, I think. I mean, that's what they are. Any claim Dallas isn't about defense is you're just a fan. And that's okay. You should be a fan.

Fan, watch the Phillies. Watch the Astros. Fans make sports, right? There's the athletes and there's the fans and it creates this amazing chemistry. But this is all about defense. This offense is limited with weapons, limited at quarterback, okay in the offensive line. I mean, what does Zeke average a game now, 60 yards a game? I think C.D. Lam is really talented, but he's not a dominant number one.

This is a defensive story. And I think if it was 12 years ago, this team would be capable of winning multiple playoff games, and they are very lucky. They are in the NFC and maybe even luckier than they're in the NFC East. But that game looked exactly like every cowboy game this year with Cooper, Dak. It sounds like you just called them a rich man's New York Jets, right? Win with defense, run the football. Well, no, no, DAC is better. Dak is better than Jack Wilson. Yes. Yeah, yeah. But I'm saying, um, I mean, I mean, it's, I, I'd hope so. You're paying him $40 million. That's like saying

Colin loves his kids. Well, I'd hope so. I'm their dad. I mean, it's like there's certain things that have to be true. By the way, Jared Goff won that game for Dallas. He was abysmal. I mean, two brutal interceptions that you showed there. Every coach we've ever brought on this show, you lose more games than you win. Detroit lost that game.

That thing was six three at half. Detroit, it was 10-6. 10-6 with 245 left in the fourth quarter. Detroit fumbled on the one-yard line, I think, the kid Jamal Williams. He had never fumbled in his... career, six years in the league, first fumble ever at the goal line. Of course, I was on the Lions, my one loss of the weekend.

Not happy. I don't think Dallas won. I think Detroit lost. I would agree 100% with that. And they are in the market for a quarterback. But if you're Detroit, do you go CJ Stroud at the top? Ohio State quarterbacks have not had a lot of success in the None. There's never been a great Ohio State quarterback in the NFL. Not one, ever.

It's a very interesting top of the draft. It's going to be Lions, Texans. Maybe Seattle with Denver. No, no. No way. Seattle's going to win. No, no. No, no, no, Seattle with Denver's pick. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, good point. Here's Dak on returning to the lineup after watching Cooper Rush.

This time that I had off, I was a blessing. Coup did an amazing job, obviously, of keeping us in this position. And once again, just the defense and the team, just playing complimentary football. So it was important for me to see that and to recognize that. No coming back. Don't try to do too much. It's great just to be a part of. And as I said, I'm just trying to play my role and make sure that I put this team in the best chance to win each and every game.

If you look at the pass rating 113, you're like, whoa, it's like Detroit was Detroit in the second half. Had multiple opportunities, fumbles, picks, awful, coaching bad. Again, well, Dak, that's better than Cooper Rush. But he's got to be better than him. You're paying a $40 million a year. You've got to be better than him. Jay Mack with the news. No, no, no, no, no.

Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Start with a quarterback that we both like but has not played well in recent weeks. Lamar Jackson did absolutely nothing. 120 passing yards. Ravens who had blown double-digit second-half leads in all three of their losses, blew another one on Sunday, but they survived another Cade York missed field goal by the Browns. Yeah.

And Baltimore prevails 2320. I still like Baltimore so much. I do. Something seems off, though, doesn't it? They're an exhausting team to love. because you watch these games. You watch the Giants game. 90% of it, I thought Baltimore was better they lost.

I watched this game. 90% of it, outside of maybe an early drive, I thought Baltimore's way better. And they're either losing or clinging on for dear life. There's so much about Baltimore and the infrastructure I love. I like Lamar Jackson a lot. But they are exhausting. They leave points on the boy.

You always feel like with Baltimore, they just left like 10 points in the locker room. And I'm not blaming anybody. It just feels like that to me. There's too much about this organization, owner, GM, coach, quarterback. There's too much I like about them to ever bail on them. They're going to end up winning the division or getting into the playoffs. But they are exhausting.

I am glad I'm not a Ravens fan. They're an exhausting team to pull for it. So if you watch that game closely, Colin, Lamar Jackson, not throwing at all. They ran the ball 44 times, taking the ball out of Lamar's hands. Yeah. And none of the carries were over 20. 12 yards. So it's all like three yards in a cloud of dust with Gus the bus and a little Kenyon Drake. Something seems off with the Ravens right now. I can't put my finger on it, but they're not the Baltimore Ravens that we expected them to be.

Colin, this should have never been a dogfight at all, right? They can't put teams away. Now, let's be fair, though. It is a division game. It is a division game. And Cleveland's got six or seven great players. Cleveland has the best guards in the league. They have Miles Garrett. They, I mean, Cleveland's got players. They have a, they have a couple. I really actually like Cleveland's corners a lot. Newsom. Benzo Ward's very good. No, no. Cleveland's got players. Don't. This is not a Cleveland, I don't think this year, but if Deshawn Watson is 90% of what he was, they've got really good talent. Cleveland is not without talent. That is not the issue. I was surprised to see Jacoby Brissette go up and down the field. They lost in Joku. Amari Cooper's roasting Baltimore

defensive backs. Something's off with the Ravens. I, I don't know. Next up, Taylor Heineke. We get a good headline for him on Friday. He got his first start of the season for the commanders. Gamer. Listen, it didn't start well. He threw a pick six and then had a fumble for touchdown that was called off due to a penalty.

He did finish with 201 yards, two touchdowns, and got the dub 2321 over the Packers. After the game, he said he didn't pay any attention to anyone who doubted that he could help his team be successful. I don't care about the doubters. I don't care what they have to say. I care about the people who believe in me, and I want to prove them right. That means more to me than anyone else that has something negative say. I want to prove the people that believe in me right more than the doubt is wrong. I can care less about those people.

He's got a little Bailey Zappy. You watch him? You can say what you want. You're a little undersized. Gets rid of it. A little bit of a gamer. Bailey Zappy got bench tonight, not happy. But we both liked the commanders.

Did we not? I bet the commanders. It's interesting. If you listen closely to what he just said, It's like the antithesis of Baker Mayfield. Baker Mayfield only cares what the doubters say. He likes tweets that are negative. Taylor Heineke is like, Mr. Positive, Mr. Sunshine.

I kind of dig this. And listen, they've won two in a row. Again, it's the Bears and the Packers, but they're going to get Chase Young back here in short order. Terry McLaurin looked incredible yesterday, beaten up on Jare Alexander a little bit. Keep an eye on Washington. NFC beast, they're calling it now, not the NFC least.

Washington coming out of the cellar. I don't know if they fight for a wild car, But I like Heineke. Well, the divisions better than everybody thought, including, well, certainly better than I thought. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. All right.

Final story. Colin, this one is a little bit crazy. So if you look at the video here, after the Bucks lost to the Panthers, a referee appears to be asking Mike Evans for an autograph. According to Tom Pellasaro of the NFL Network, the league is reviewing the incident because the CBA between the league and the referees states that no official can ask players, coaches or team person. for autographs or memorabilia. Ask yourself this. How bad does your judgment have to be as an official to think this is appropriate? You have literally no.

I mean, again, we all make mistakes in life. But you had a lot of time there to go, God, this is a really bad decision. I remember talking about this years ago when I was on the air. I don't know if it was ESPN at the place before. I knew a major dig umpire that asked for like six autographed baseballs from Barry Bonds. and it's like I could name the umpire's name and I'm like, I told him I'm like, that's completely inappropriate.

The look of impropriety is brutal. No, I mean, it's for my nephew. Doesn't matter who it's for. Like, be smarter than that. I remember, the league is embracing gambling now. Right. Even though it didn't factor in here or at all to the spread,

this is one of those things that the league's going to be like. I guarantee you, he's like, well, it's for my nephew. No, nobody cares. I would never let that guy work in the league again. But there's speculation online that this is his last year, he's on a retirement tour. I don't care. I agree. I agree with you on this.

But just not a good look at all. God, folks. That's not even a hard one to figure out. And if it was Mike Evans, what did you do for Tom Brady? You know? Maybe he got PJ Walker's autograph. I don't know. He beat Brady.

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and it's kind of scary for their fans and maybe for the organization. They're doing what they should be doing. A, they've got to figure out if Kenny Pickett can play. He should be playing from week one. We know what Trabiski is. You don't know what Kenny Pickett is. He's a first round pick. See if he can play.

Secondly, he's not great yet. He had a couple, three picks last night. He could have had five. And you're going to lose a bunch of games. And that's actually the right plan. This is exactly what the process looks like. Peyton Manning year one. A lot of picks, a lot of losses.

Joe Burrow year one, a lot of losses, not necessarily picks, but a lot of losses. Josh Allen, year one, had more picks than touchdown passes. But those organizations don't have the Pittsburgh Steelers history. And so this is uncharted territory. This is a year of discovery. That's the term this year for Pittsburgh. The year of discovery. What do we got here?

what do we not have here? Receivers are great. You got a running back, a tight end I like. Defense. There's a lot you know you have. But in this league, 2022, can the quarterback play? This is the process. Going on the road, asking him to make a bunch of throws, trailing, seeing if he's got the it.

I don't see a lot of special. I told you, I liked him in college. Then I talked to a lot of people who I trust, like scouts and executives. and a couple GMs that I really trust said, you know, he's a late, second, early third round pick. He's not a first round pick. And there isn't a lot of like wow and sizzle to his game, but this is what it looks like.

And you've got to figure it out. And there's no reason to play Trubisky. If you lose the next eight games, you'll know what you have. Because they've got weapons. You can't tell me they don't have weapons. Claypool, Johnson, George Pickens. Those are great weapons. Very good young tied in.

Nice running back. So it's the year of discovery. And it's bumpy. and you should lose. You'd rather win, but Peyton Manning, Joe Burrow, Josh Allen. This is what looks like. Even if they become stars, this is kind of what it looks like. He's got to deal with it for a year. You've been winning for years.

You never have a losing year. You've got to get over that. This could be the ugly year with four wins, but at the end of it, you're like, you know what? Kenny Pickett made a lot of mistakes. He won't make him in year two. Peyton Manning didn't make him as often in year two. Josh Allen didn't make him as often in year two. Joe Burrow didn't make him as often in year two. Year one is ugly. for the stars, it can be unbelievably ugly. Mahalms in Kansas City, they sat him down,

watch Alex Smith. That's ideal. That doesn't happen much. That doesn't happen where you have a giving mentor in Alex Smith, and they get you to a playoff, and that's not the way it works in real life. It's ugly, a lot. Pickett is 24 years old, Colin.

So he's not like some young pop right out of college. I'm just curious. Where are you on Pickett at this stage? I don't see the juice. I don't know. But he's got three really good receivers. Claypool, Johnson, and Pickens are very good. Well, Pickens is a star.

The other two are good. Pickens is a star. Najee Harris, kind of sputtering. The big problem is he has no offensive line. I mean, it's just crumbling every time. He's running for his life. And they have no, Tomlin's got no offensive philosophy. Speaking of philosophy, even the all-time greats need structure.

Peyton Manning, the Colts had Tony Dungey, Bill Pauley, and Ursay. Hey, Michael Jordan had two, three-pets. He battled Jerry Krause. He battled Reinsdorf, the owner. Phil Jackson and him, Phil Jackson asked him to make some sacrifices. But they had two, three-pets. Brady and New England, a lot of sacrifice and a lot of structure. Guys love power.

We like fast boats and fast cars and knockout punches and home run hitter. We like power. And Brady moves to Tampa. and he gets all this power. Let's get Bruce Ariens upstairs. I want gronk. I want A, B. But am I the only person?

The longer Brady is in Tampa, the weirder, uglier and stranger it gets. Year one was the year of overcoming. Pandemic. Practice. Super Bowl. Year two was the year of, oh, boy, it's indifferent.

Then we find out Tom was thinking about retiring, and Tom was thinking about buying the dolphins. Year two was like indifferent and odd after the season. Year three is a mess. The team's a mess. You know, he's going through a horrible situation in his private life. I think he moved to Tampa and he was, you know, wanted a little more respect and a little more leverage and a little more say and a little more power and be careful what you wish

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Josh McDaniels barked at him. Todd Bulls, defensive guy. Tom, it's your offense. This is what it looks like. You know what? This is what it looks like. Bad, not close. Ugly.

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