The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 – Rodgers vs the Jets & COY Odds

Episode Date: February 19, 2025

While the Jets target a dual-threat QB like Justin Fields, the guys debate who will have a better record between New York and whichever team Aaron Rodgers plays on. The Coach of the Year odds skews towards bad teams with new coaches.  Floyd Mayweather wants stake in the Giants and much more! #2prosSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Oh yeah, it's the herd Fox Sports Radio LaVar Arington Brady Quinn Jonas Knox with you here Filling it on this Wednesday for Colin and company As we take you

All the way off Trying to breathe through it What that body shot from Brady I can't believe he took a shot at me That was real low I just said he was bad at picking plays rough man I mean, that one, you're going to hit me with Pell at the end.

I just, I didn't really know what you're expecting. I mean, the Brady I know from Thursday in New Orleans would not have done that to me. He would not have gone that low. That was pretty low. That was ankle. I'm trying to be a dual threat quarterback. That's all. That was all I'm trying to do.

That was more than a dual. That was like multi-dimensional threat. That was bad. Okay. You know, anyway? You know it was a dual-threat quarterback? Oh, who, Justin Fields. I thought you was going to say Jonas Knox.

No, definitely not. I mean, y'all kind of comparable. Me and Justin Fields? I wish. But unfortunately, Justin Fields, you know, maybe the Pittsburgh Steelers aren't the only place that might have some interest in retaining him. According to Jeremy Fowler v.SPN,

the Jets and Justin Fields have mutual interest. The Jets like the idea of, quote, a dual threat quarterback. and Fields has looked at the roster and sees some intrigue there. So, if this is a long-term play, I kind of get it. If it's just a short-term play,

I don't know how this is a better option than Aaron Rogers would be on a short-term. I just don't. No, I mean, I look at it, too, and think to myself, again, I've said this to you guys earlier this week. I like continuity. So if you're Pittsburgh, for example, you know, you know Arthur Smith's system, if you're Justin Fields, you know the personnel.

Your best bet is to try to, you know, win over that team to be the guy and be a part of a franchise that's had a ton of success. And with a coach who's had a ton of success with Mike Tomlin, to me, like that's your best path forward in trying to resurrect and being a starting quarterback in the NFL. When you start jumping from team to team to team, they're all looking for a quick fix. And it's so rare that it happens, and it's so rare that, you know, guys have the talent and the ability. And there's some luck involved. Like, let's be honest, there's some luck involved. I don't care if we're talking about Hall of Famers either when they've transitioned from different teams. There's always a little bit of luck involved so that it ends up working out.

I mean, if you think about Peyton, like Peyton was coming off a neck injury. That's why the Colts moved on from them. They ended up stinking that year to go get Andrew Luck. but when he got to Denver, there was no guarantees he was going to be able to physically be the same player that he was. He had a perfect team. Greek, who's the trainer there, Greg Roscoff, who does M-A-T, all these other people who were around. Dr. Leahy did ART. There were so many different resources there with the Broncos that if he was going to have like any shot of ever being what he was during Indianapolis before the next surgeries, that team, that roster, everything else was there probably gave him the best. shot. And I think he knew that. So, you know, there's, there's a little bit of luck. There's a little

bit of, you know, everything else that went along with that eventually led to him, you know, winning into the Super Bowl playing an extremely high level. But in regards to Justin Fields, the grass can always look greener somewhere else. I mean, look at the roster, look at some of the town on there. Okay. Well, what do you know about the offense? What do you know about the play caller? You know, do you have any experience with that? Do you want to learn a new system? So there's so many things that play a factor or role in that. And I think what's interesting about it is, you know, Arthur Smith likes having a dual threat style quarterback. Well, you've got your guy right there. Because in the same report where we're saying Justin Fields likes the Jets, meanwhile,

he's just spent a year with the Pittsburgh Steelers, there's another report that comes out and says, well, Daniel Jones looks like he could be a fit in Pittsburgh. And they really like him. Why? Well, because he's got some dual threat ability to him, right? And Arthur Smith likes that. It's like, you've got a guy there. Like, would you rather have Daniel Jones or Justin Fields. I personally would rather have Justin Fields. To me, I don't care when anyone wants to show with Danny Dimes. I think Fields has more upside. So it's just, it's kind of ironic that we hear all these reports, things floating around. And it's like musical chairs of quarterbacks. But like, dude, just stay put. Like grow in the place you're at me. I keep watering

that area, that garden. Yeah, that one doesn't make any sense to me. The, uh, and that was Andrew Philiponi's report from the fan in Pittsburgh who said, yeah, they, they like the idea of Daniel Jones in Pittsburgh. I just, I don't know why if you've already got to your point, a guy in Justin Fields who's been there who reportedly, if you believe some of the other stuff that's come out, there were a lot of people there that preferred him over Russell Wilson, that it was Mike Tomlin who ultimately made the call, but a lot of people that wanted to see them stick with Justin Fields at quarterback last year.

He got along much better with Arthur Smith than Russell Wilson did. Why not just stay there? And instead, we got the Jets being thrown out, Daniel Jones being mentioned in Pittsburgh. It just, some of these just don't add up to me. It doesn't make sense. I'll say Justin Fields was protecting the ball and his starts for the Steelers.

I think he only had one interception during his time starting. But there maybe were only one or two, performances where you would say do you trust that he can come in and be the guy that leads your offense? Is it

a decision that you make bringing him into New York where you do say it is your personnel that would make it easier on him? You do have a breeze hall in the backfield that can run the that could take a lot of pressure off of Justin Fields having to throw the ball.

And by the way, if you're able to implement the type of read pass option like you've done in Philadelphia, I mean, having Lazard and Wilson, I doubt Adams will be back, but you never know. Maybe he comes back. but you do have a really, really fine group of receivers and a fine running back in Brees and New York. I do think personnel-wise, Justin Fields, if used correctly, would have a better opportunity of having more success than what he would.

In Pittsburgh, where I like Najee, I like Najee Davenport, or Najee Harris, but I just do not feel as, though he's that difference maker that we thought he would transition into being into at the league level. We have the conversations about pickings. You know, the other guys, you got Van Jefferson, Roman Wilson, Mike Williams. I mean, you have guys that are serviceable guys. Friermouth is a guy at tight end.

You can depend on Friamuth, but I just don't look at this personnel grouping as one that was conducive to, Russell Wilson or or Justin feels having having proper success or adequate opportunities to have success. So to me, I know it's not always greener on the other side and you do have one year under your belt being in Pittsburgh. But if I could get to a team like New York and they're going to take a chance on me, this is probably his last chance to really legitimately be a starter in this league anyway outside of any type of. extraordinary circumstances, I might take the chance on seeing what I could get done going into the New York market

and plan there with that personnel. I mean, Pittsburgh just feels like they're Dallas AFC. They'll be contending for a playoff spot, and that's just about it. There's no serious threat

that they're going to make a run. In that division, in that conference, there's just no real threat they're going to make a run. You don't have a quarterback. If you're questioning, who your quarterback is right now, how do you have the ability to compete for it

in one of the toughest, if not toughest divisions in all of the NFL? I mean, this is going to be three straight years Pittsburgh is going into the season with a brand new starter. Like it's, you know, it was Kenny Pickett, then it was Russell Wilson, Justin Fields, whatever last year was, and then this year it looks like, you know, if you believe this report, if it's not going to be Russell Wilson, if he's gone,

then there goes your continuity out the window because you've got a new quarterback that's going to be taken over. Pittsburgh just feels like a pass. I just don't know what that continuity is led to. And now I think that again, I thought that the seat was warming up for Mike Tomlin this past season.

I think it gets really, really hot if they don't have more success this season, which is crazy to say, because what's more success, they win and they make it to the playoffs, but I just think that winning and playoffs may have run its course in terms of a justification for Mike Tomlin as a head coach. And there's now starting to be a little bit more criticisms levied towards Mike Tomlin and his ability to lead this team, what that looks like moving forward.

And I got to say, maybe even as an analyst or maybe even as a fan, I don't know which one falls under, but I almost feel like it's getting to the point where it's warranted. Like, you got to find stability and what it is that you're doing. I thought it was an interesting... Oh, you want him fired. No, I don't. I thought I thought it was... Can we run with that, Lee, on Twitter?

I thought it was an interesting, an interesting experiment to do what you did with Justin Fields and Russell Wilson. But I also, in some regard, I feel as though you chopped out the legs from under both of the of them in this scenario. I don't know that either one of them had a fair opportunity to be successful under the circumstances of knowing that you brought in a former starter from a different team and you guys are on prove-it deals this year. I just don't know. And it didn't turn out that it was positive.

I mean, they didn't go very far. So I don't know. I think the hot seat is, the seat is hot this year for Mike Tomlin. It feels like teams hedge. And in this case, that was essentially what they did by bringing them both in. Even though, I mean, all along it sounded like Mike Tomlin knew Russell would be the guy when he was ready. And then he had the calf injury, which occurred what in preseason, like late in training camp. Yeah.

And at that point, especially when you could see him kind of out moving around for some of the pregame warmups. Like I remember first seeing him going, like there's no way he's anywhere close to playing at this point. I mean, it was going to be at least a month, if not more. and it happened to coincide with maybe a downturn for the Steelers and what they're looking for, an uptick in their offense. And look, it worked. I mean, say whatever you want for that period of time when Russell Wilson came in and started.

All of a sudden, the deep ball came back, as Pete Priscoe would call it, the moonball, whatever he wants to say, it's effective. And it felt like he gave that offense and that team a spark. Now, that crashed at the end of the season. And for whatever reason, I mean, again, there was other reasons other than just quarterback play. You know, pick and struggle.

to consistently play a role and impact like I think he can. But when you go back to the initial conversation, it's almost like going into the whole deal. They were trying to attack it in two ways, kind of a young, promising guy with upside and fields, but then a proven veteran and a guy maybe who has a chip on his shoulder, who they could get for cheap as well. Instead of just putting all their eggs in one basket,

they kind of hedged on it, and it's kind of how their season went, really, in a nutshell. Would you guys take wherever Aaron, Rogers ends up because obviously part of the discussion was the Jets and them have an interest in Justin Fields would you guys take next year team to finish with a better record

the Jets or whatever team Rogers ends up with because I'll take whatever team Rogers ends up with that's not saying that Aaron Rogers is going to start where he goes if he's a starter would you next year

who's a better team yeah Rogers wherever Rogers goes because the Jets may be interested in Justin Fields. I know this one fact about the Jets. Whatever decision they make is going to be the wrong one. That's what's funny about this, though, is LeVar in a year where like you get Rogers back healthy, they have another year to make the roster look better, this team brings on Devante Adams. At no point did LeVar ever want to get on that bandwagon because he kept preaching dysfunction,

he was right. He was right. Ultimately, he was right. but now you're actually pausing and giving this some thought that somehow the jets have ridded themselves of the dysfunction that you talked about for so long and they don't even have a quarterback I'll say this I do not rid them of the dysfunction they were a 5 and 12 team

I said they would finish less than 10 victories I think they finished with less than 10 victories this upcoming season as well but there's the chance that they may that Aaron Rogers may catch on to a team that is in just as poor condition as, well, the way the Jets are being ran. That's all I'm saying. I don't necessarily think that it's based upon the Jets ridding themselves of anything. I think Aaron Glenn has his work cut out for them for certain.

But there are teams out there that he can end up with. that could possibly be in poor condition, poor conditions, then the New York Jets. I'll tell you this right now. Tennessee is one of the worst teams in the league. If Rogers ended up with the Titans, I would take the Titans to have a better record next year in the Jets. See, I don't.

There's certain teams. I'm just not. I'm not. It's like we're on escalators in a mall, and Brady and I are going in your direction going, hey, we're here, and you're going the other way now. Like, what's happening here? I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. I don't think that it's responsible to say that they're going like whoever you're taking. I think the Cleveland Browns could stink again next year, stink even more epically than what they did this year. By the Rogers on Cleveland would be sweet. I think New England could stink even though I like. I like Rable. They could stink definitely Jacksonville. They could stink really bad. The Vegas Rams. They could stink or the Vegas Raiders.

They could stink. I mean, the Carolina Panthers could stink. Any team in the NFL. I'm not. I'm not. Any teams outside of the top 10 teams picking in the draft, the Chicago Bears on down, I would say they stand the chance of having a worse season than the New York Jets. Yeah.

I will take that bet. Now, anybody outside of that first 10? Yeah, I'll take them. I'll say they'll have a better year with Aaron Rogers. but like, okay, Sam Fran, they could have a really, really fine year. They add Aaron Rogers. Where else are you adding Aaron Rogers?

The Colts, they could have a finer year, 100%. Where else is he going? Where else? Where else? I mean, where else is he going? Pittsburgh is a potential landing spot. Pittsburgh would have a better year. Some speculation maybe if Stafford and the Rams part ways,

maybe Rogers to the Rams could be. They would have a better year. Now, that's more. specific and they would have a better season. I'm saying I don't care who it is. It could be the stampeters. No, I ain't doing that. I'll take Rogers. I'm not doing that. You took Rogers this year. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Okay. And look where it got us. Five wins. Look where it got us in a United States. Do you want to use Notre Dame now too? Because I'm going at you. Yeah, you want to leverage Notre Dame. Let me tell you something. Our support of Aaron Rogers got us

got us in a Netflix documentary, okay? Well, that is true. Not us. I mean, you, Yeah, that is true. You're really, I mean, no one really knows that until you bring it up. Episode three. Enigma. What exactly did you say, Jonas? I guarantee you'll know the quote. I really don't.

I don't know. It was something about him working out and the criticism of Rogers. Mushrooms and keyboard. Who did you pay off to somehow include yourself as part of that documentary? I didn't even know. And nobody told. There was something that happened. There had to have been some.

favors that were done or something. I mean, I will say this, where he was working out, the facility he was working out in, was in Westlake Village, which is the neighboring town to Thousand Oaks where I reside. So just, I think it's just coincidence, but I think the support of Aaron Rogers from us has gotten us in a Netflix documentary, which we, that should be thrown on the IMDB. Lee, your big, speaking of that, didn't you say like you started like an adult film somewhere around there and then you segue it into sports talk radio yeah with big difference between chatsworth and then westlake village like there's a huge difference um and i don't know if any of that work

uh would be included in an i mdb either i thought you had to start at like one level or one no side of that work and then you get to go to the other side eventually is that what it is yeah that's what you told me yeah okay here's all right let me go ahead you we'll toss up the alley hoop i was part of the clean up crew and then we'll go is that we start there and we just slowly build that's where the resume started and Chasworth. All right. This is just, again, this is the unprofessionalism that really

is troubling from time to time. Lee, you're one of these loser Hollywood movie fans. Thank you. Yes. With the Oscars coming up, which will be eating up way too much time on our show during the week in our normal time slot.

But IMDB, can you go in there and edit it yourself? Like, can you create one by yourself? Is it like a Wikipedia or is that? Because I would like to go in there and everybody from our show be able to credit Enigma on Netflix as part of our IMDB page. There is a process where you create your own IMDB profile and then you get approved by the administrators and they let you work on certain projects. They let you edit your

page. See? All right. There you go. So let's start efforting that. Get an IMDB boys. I'm working on it. I mean, Brady's and Wendy's commercials. Lovar was in a car commercial, a famous car commercial back in the day. You do? You got one? Yeah, I have a page. Hell yeah. Yeah, I have a page.

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I don't know. I guess I've done a lot of things. That's when we were, we didn't have our name. We were filling in for, for Clay Travis when they were making the decision on the permanent replacement for the show.

I think that's what that was from. Oh, okay. Maybe that's what it was. What does it say there? We ended up taking it. It doesn't have Jonas Knox on there, though. Undercard for the Jonas Knox show right there. That says 2021.

We've been together that long? Undercard for the J.K.S. Right there. It doesn't say that. It's been a long time. It doesn't say that. Yeah, so to the foolish dude that tweeted yesterday that I had to turn out of us off.

I don't like... to know her, but I definitely didn't like listen to those guys. You can kiss my ass. Your son, bitch. Kiss my ass. All right. Thank you. All right.

Okay. That is not a dumpable offense either, by the way. I know my rules. I mean, I tow my line. I know my rules. And he is that. Ryan and they are just trying to hold their breath for three hours after what Ryan did before the show in the other studio. Well, he likes toss salads with jelly.

A salad with jelly. I use ranch, sir. Apparently, Chris Rock does. I'm going to. It is The Herd here on Fox Sports Radio, LeVarayerington, Brady, Quinn, Jonas Knox, in for Colin. Coming up next year, though, we do have a money-making opportunity, potentially in the NFL involving two new coaches. We'll get into that for you right here on FSR. One more herd?

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Now, you can go on to a fine establishment, a fine place like Draft Kings, if you want. You can go on there and you can find all sorts of peaks into the future when it comes to money-making opportunities. Like, for example, to win the MVP next year, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, neck-and-neck at plus 550. If you want to look at comeback player of the year, Aidan Hutchinson at 2-1 coming off that injury, Christian McCaffrey sitting at 3-1, and then he can also go to Coach of the Year.

For right now, Mike Vrable and Ben Johnson are your current. favorites at plus 750 to win coach of the year, which feels like pretty decent return, Mike Vrable and Ben Johnson. It feels like a pretty decent return at plus 750

if you think those guys are going to be the answer to fixing whatever the mess was there in either New England or Chicago, and they've got the young quarterback to do so. You might want to jump on that here pretty quick. This was going to be my question. Is this more about the faith in Nemis coaches

to get both these teams turn back around. Or does it have to do with their roster or more importantly, their quarterbacks? Because they both have young quarterbacks, promising young quarterbacks. And that's what I really feel like this is about. This is about Drake May, Caleb Williams, taking that next step in their second year

based off what we've seen so far in their rookie years and having that sort of improvement. Where you look at Jay Daniels season, had a great season. Obviously, there's still room for improvement. But, you know, Drake May and Caleb Williams if they improve, you know, they've got a little more room for improvement. So it would look like a bigger jump, I guess.

And that's what I think these odds are about. It's more about the quarterback play on both those teams, more so than it is anything that Mike Vrable or Ben Johnson will do. And I think the other thing, too, on that note, is that it's a bit unfair that, like, guys like Andy Reid and Siriani, who you'd say, okay, like, Siani's got, they've got some guys who they'll lose, but they've built up rosters,

how he Rosasman's done a great job. they'll be right back competitive, probably the favorite to win the Super Bowl, or the favorite to win the NFC. Same thing for Kansas City. And yet you don't hear Andy Reid and Nick Surinati's names at the top of these lists. And that doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Yeah, I agree. I don't. I do, to answer the question, I definitely think it has to do with both. The biggest factors are they do have a franchise caliber, high drafty quarterback, but it's also the coaching reputation of both that makes them front runners in this scenario.

But I just got to be honest with you. When you look at these teams and what they have, like, okay, I like, I like what the Chicago Bears have. Caleb Williams did not have a bad season. I continue to say that. It's almost like we're looking at Caleb and it's like, well, you know, he could have done better. Like, I don't know how he could have done much better.

His numbers are very comparable to Jaden Daniels, who won rookie of the year, offense rookie of the year. He's off on a couple, like maybe total yards or whatever it may be. But, I mean, I feel like his stat line was pretty solid. He set a record. I mean, he threw for the most yards ever for, what, a rookie quarterback? and Beard's history? I just, you know, well, I mean, that's not.

That's not saying much. It's like, you know, well, he threw for a lot of yards, but I just don't, I just don't think that it gets these situations that these two franchises have found themselves in. I don't think the situation gets rectified in year one by either one of these coaches, no matter how good they are, no matter how good Mike Vrable has been, No matter how good Ben Johnson has called games, that's not, you're not going to be in the same situation.

Even though you're in the same division, you're not going to be in the same setup that you were when you had the comfort and ability to just call plays in Detroit. But to be coach of the year, there's also kind of an underlying prerequisite for the most part. Like, you had to have sucked the year before. And New England and Chicago both qualified. They were bad the year before.

They just fired their previous coach. And so those guys stepping into a roster with talented quarterbacks and with, you know, talented pieces around them. Yeah, that's why it would make sense. Because if you really wanted to hand the award out for best coach, like, I mean, you could find coaches who had made deep playoff runs. Like, Stefanski won it twice. Well, he won it twice because the year prior they weren't good. And so I just, I feel like the coach of the year off. is kind of skewed towards, yeah, to Brady's point,

like it's a team that wasn't very good, and often the guys, because of it's, you're just used to it or you've got fatigue by it, are kind of overlooked, because if that was the case, Belichick should have won it 15 times during his run of New England. Well, yeah, but that's the problem when you have Tom Brady

or if you're Andy Reid and you have Patrick Mahomes, is you never really get all the credit, right? I mean, those players can win MVP's, those players can win, you know, offensive player of the year awards. But you can't share in that as a coach? Like that's kind of the crappy thing about it. And I think it's kind of like Phil Jackson.

Like Phil Jackson is obviously a phenomenal coach. And he is because of the success that he's had, but granted he's had some of the all-time greatest ever, obviously Jordan, Kobe, etc. But it's not like that's easy to keep all that together. You know, all the different egos, everything else that we heard. That's a harder job, I would have said. Yeah.

I'm all thinking about it. I mean, even Steve Kerr was the different, you know, that they had in Golden State and the different person he had on that team. Just because you've got all those weapons, all that talent, all that skill, that doesn't mean they're all going to be able

to put it together to be able to equate to success. And there is something to the coach's impact on that. So I don't know, I just, I hate when I see odds like that that come out. And immediately we just kind of point and turn to, well, their team stunk last year.

They've got young quarterbacks. They just took over these places. So they should see the biggest jump in improvement. It's like, well, Okay. I mean, oh, we're just going to discount then teams that end up going, what, 15 and 2? Or a team that goes 16 and 1, right? I mean, we wanted to give it to Dan Campbell. He should have got it this year. I mean, let's be clear. Dan Campbell, with what he overcame to get to where he was ultimately at, one game away from the divisional championship with all the injuries. I thought it was hands down that Dan Campbell should get it. Now, I get what happened in Minnesota was amazing. I get that. I get that.

getting a couple other places is amazing. But Dan Campbell clearly showed a resiliency as a coach, the ability to be able to be flexible and adapt to what his given scenarios were as a coach. And what? He doesn't get it. I just don't understand again. The whole of the year awards, I'm totally thrown off and confused by the approach of it, by what the voters are looking for and what they want.

I guess the point what I'm saying is it doesn't go both ways. We don't look at the MVP and go, he's got a hell of a coach. I mean, should we really, should we really, you know,

be thinking about that? But we look at a coach that way. And maybe you say it's like, well, because, you know, the coach is the one that's going to receive the most, you know,

I guess appreciation from the talent that he has around. That's fine, but he still plays his role too. Just on the note of odds that you can find for these awards on draft kings, just like honest question

for a comeback player of the year why is J.J. McCarthy on the list at plus 750 he hasn't played yet in the NFL. Like he's never took a snap. So what is like coming back from what?

Well he's on a team. He got hurt and he did play in the preseason technically. Yeah but he never played a regular season game. He's battling through not playing, Jonas. Okay. That's what he's battling. Anthony Richardson at 35. to one. What's he coming back from?

Taking a knee and opting out of a game? Yeah, I thought out of some seriousness, but yeah. I just, like, I don't know. There's just, yeah, some of this stuff doesn't exactly. There needs to be more of a defined a defined criteria for whatever that is.

Well, you want. For comeback player of the year. I think for any of them. It's too great. I think for any of them. Which ought to tell you how great Joe Flacco was, that he won over Damar Hamlin, who almost died on the field. the year before. DeMarne Hamelin was still up for the award this year, correct?

Probably. I think he was. Come on, man. Like, when has enough time going by? Will he be up for next year? Residuals, you know? Come on, man. Jeez.

Come on. I don't know, man. Because the whole awards, I told you, my whole rundown on the awards this year was trash, man. The awards were trash this year, period. All I know is Lee DeLap and I walked by where they were having the awards at that theater in New Orleans. And it was, I think, two days before the event. And they looked like they were not ready to go at all.

Like they had scaffolding out. You had people loitering outside. People sleeping on the streets in New Orleans. Beautiful place, though. Let's not miss the real story. What was Lee drinking with them while you guys were walking by the venue? That was actually after we went to hand grenade? No.

Did you have hand grenade? No, nothing at all. because remember we went to dinner that night at the Italian place where we saw Howie Roseman, what the hell was that name? Domenica. Yeah, that too.

Wait, I thought you said you didn't go out with him after that. No, we went back. No, we walked back to go see that church that was nearby. There was a church nearby. I wanted to go see it. So we walked over around the corner

and then as we walked back, it was like, oh, there's that theater where they're going to have the award show and it was not built. The bigger story here is what Lee is doing in the control room right now. That is the bigger. store. Payback from yesterday. Oh,

payback from yesterday. He's going a little overboard. Okay, I got to be honest. Hey, man. What did you eat? Dang. Mess with the bowl, you're going to get the horns. Oh, wow. Welcome to the big leagues, Brian. I mean, there is a lot of suffering going. Like half the Lysol can is gone now. You know, it's bad when you can't take your own cologne, your own scent.

You need a man pawn. That's what you need. Dang. Dang. It's bad. back there. Taco Tuesday yesterday. Lee will get flagellants of the year award. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that helped.

You did get banked up yesterday, huh? I did a little bit. With Todd. Yeah. How'd that go? Tell us how that went. Well, good. We went for Taco Tuesday. I skipped the movie because I had already seen it. They went to go see Captain America. And then, which was awful, by the way. And... Well, that wasn't actually... Good for you, Lee.

Why was it awful, Lee? Lee, why was it awful? Yeah. Oh. Did that the new one? Yeah. With Anthony Mackey? Why? Because Captain America, what? Why? It's boring. Oh, he was boring. A different B word. What else is he?

What else is he? He's black. Damn. He's black. He is black. Yeah. It's also boring, humorless. It was bad movie.

It was Captain America. So wait. Yeah, you went to Captain America for a comedy? Like, what's wrong with you? It's a Marvel movie. There should be some comedy in there. It should be a little bit of lighthearted. It took itself way too seriously.

Dang. Why would you watch Captain America? We watched Captain Morgan for... How was the Red Hulk? Right. Was the Red Hulk good? in the movie? Yeah, he was

but he only, he was five minutes at the end of the movie, yeah. Exactly. But the Red Hulk was good. It was good. It was good. It's not a good movie.

Anyway, yeah, we, I skipped the movie, had a few drinks while they went to the movie. How many rotten tomatoes are you giving it? 50%. Dang. Interesting. Not great.

I actually got up and I liked that. When I went and saw it the first time, I got up and went to go get a drink. That's how bad it was. Although I'll do that anyway. Yeah, the same people Don't like that movie are the same people that didn't like the Super Bowl halftime show.

They look exactly the same. Oh, wow. They're not like us. They're not like us. They're not like us. Dang. Up top, bro. Up top.

So Lee, you skipped the movie and you just went to Taco Tuesday and got throttled. Yeah, it went to Taco Tuesday. I think we went to an arcade next door afterwards. Did you fish for ducks? Stop skipping over what you drank. Tell us what you consumed. What did you consume? When I was out, I did you consume?

When I was out, I just had a few beers, but, you know, I had a few homemade cocktails before I went out. What do you mean? What were they? Vodka. What are you so hesitant for? Because there's more people out? Yeah, it was vodka and grapefruit juice. Wait, did you black out yesterday?

No. How many times did Danica call you? Oh, no. I'm giving out names. How many times did you get called about the misses? My bad. A couple times. Like, like twice.

That was it? Yeah, she was out with... Like twice? Twice. She was out with her girlfriend and she headed back. So you didn't get calls because she was occupied too. She thought I was at home. She's like, are you home?

Nope. Where did they go? They went to go see Wicked. She didn't come find you? Nope. She was in bed when I got... They didn't go to the same movie theater you went to? Nope.

How far apart were you on? Well, I didn't go to the theater. I didn't go to the movie. Oh. I don't know. I don't know which movie they went to. or what theater they went to. Wow. So you guys really are on like good terms.

Yeah. Yeah, good times. Good times. I give it until Friday. Whatever. All right. It is the herd here on Fox Sports Radio, LaVarerrington, Brady, Quinn, Jonas Knox, in for Colin.

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This is the Heard Line News. All right, Lee to Lab. What do we got? Man, I haven't thought about paper football in a while. It's pretty good. This is a fun game. Get a game going. Guys, Lee, you still gassing things up?

I am. I just let one go. Dang, he's back there destroying the air. I'm going to stab you. Dang. Dang. Guys, Floyd, Money-Mayweather Jr. He wants to get in the NFL business. He's putting together a partnership group with Meyer Orbach, real estate mogul,

in the realm of $700 million for a 10% stake in the Giants. Orbach already owns 17% stake in the Timberwolves. Giants right now estimated to be. about $7.5 billion. Yeah, so it looks like they're coming up short, about 10%. But also, those estimations are such crap. Because if the New York Giants came on the open market, they would probably be closer to 8, 9, maybe 10.

I mean, you're talking about the New York Giants, a team in New York. You know what I'm saying? That's the hard thing about all these estimates we see. We talked about it the other day, like the Bengals, like a $5 billion franchise. And that might be a, you know, a little overestimation, but it's an NFL

team. They're one of, you know, 31, excuse me, that you can own. You can't own the Packers. They've got a different ownership structure. But, one, I would love to see Floyd Mayweather play a role or part in an ownership group. That'd be awesome to see like what exactly that would entail. How's his strip club doing?

Anybody got any... Sure, it's going well. Details on that. But you think that's where he got the cash from? I don't know. And what you assume it's doing well? It's a good start. He's estimated. to be net worth $400 million, Floyd maybe we'll agree with him.

I would think that his gambling habits might also be a deterrent from wanting him to be involved in the NFL, but, you know, hey, whatever it takes, what else you got, Lee? Well, somebody who does know a little something about owning part of a team, Tom Brady, he's taking

heat, being called disrespectful for the change he's made to his autograph. He started including HOF 2028 to his autograph. What's wrong with that? That's an inscription. That's not a part. That's not your autograph. It's just an inscription.

That's what you get paid for that. Hasn't been, he hasn't been inducted yet. So what? If there's somebody, is that the year he goes in? That will be the year he goes in. Okay. So somebody has a problem with that. That's going to be a more valuable inscription.

Don't be a douche bag. Jeez. Like the dude on X today. Geez. You're a D bag. What happened now? I don't know. I just like taking shots at people.

That's all. I don't know. They tell Brady and I, we sound great. Hey, Brian, what's the problem, man? I'm sticking up for us, B. You know what I mean? Come on. Come on, Brian.

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