The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 2 - Rodgers, Watson, Brady

Episode Date: March 25, 2022

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Starting point is 00:02:34 It's the herd and a Friday, wherever you may be and however you may be listening. IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. Good to have you in. Alex Curry filling in for Joy Tabor, who is in Europe until Wednesday or Thursday next week. Currently at the Louvre. Just saw she post that with the Mona Lisa. Wow. My wife's out of town until next Wednesday.
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Starting point is 00:03:11 So here's a story that's interesting, Alex. Yeah. So Dale Arnold's been a reporter and talk show host and many things in Boston for years. He tweeted yesterday that wouldn't be surprised if Tom Brady goes to the Miami Dolphins this season. he said he's hearing parties for working on it he was the first person in the net and the media in boston to report brady de tampa was a done deal so it's hard to wrap your brain around that it feels absurd today this season but it's very i think it's very possible and i'll just throw this out to you stephen ross owns the dolphins many of you know this stephen ross is the biggest
Starting point is 00:03:51 richest michigan donor tom brady went to michigan they've spoken they know it each other, they have a relationship at some level. I was told, because I think we were the first show nationally to break the story, we were Brady to Tampa. I was told by that source, Miami was where Giselle would prefer to go. It's an international city. It's a fashion city. Miami is very international. Giselle is an international star. Tampa's very domestic. Tampa's a small town. And Miami feels like a much bigger city, much more dynamic and much more vibrant and much more international. She wanted Miami, but in the end, they settled on Florida because the dolphins didn't have their act together. And Tampa had, you know, a conveyor belt of really good players.
Starting point is 00:04:47 So Miami's roster today feels very Tampa Bay Buccaneer about two years ago. A lot of good receivers. solid B backs, you know, a tight end or two people like. So the weakness of the Tampa team when he took it over, O-line, the weakness of this Miami team, and they've tried to help it a little bit O-line. Both teams had good young defensive players. So it's very interesting. And also Brady loves Kyle Shanahan and his system, which as you age is very, very good system
Starting point is 00:05:23 if a quarterback does have some limitations. Brady doesn't have many, but it's a very good system for quarterbacks. Who's the coach of Miami? He's Kyle Shanahan's guy. So they're building a very San Francisco offense out east. Brady loves that offense. So Chris Sims was on this show about a week ago, and he talked about, he thinks it's not only possible, it's very possible because of something he heard not long ago.
Starting point is 00:05:52 I think he only retired to make a play to try to go somewhere else. You know, that would be my two cents. I know that he and Sean Payton tried the finagle away to be the quarterback coach in Miami. I know that. I still think it's very odd that the week Kyle Shanahan didn't go to the NFL combine. Tom Brady was in San Francisco at the same time. I just think that's odd. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:06:14 It's a lot of coincidence there to where I just can't get behind it. I think he tried to look at some options. He couldn't find anything better. And he said, you know what? The bucks are still really damn good. and the NFC, it's there to be had. That is very true. Green Bay lost Devante Adams.
Starting point is 00:06:32 They couldn't beat Tom with Devonte Adams. They're not beating them now. So it's something to think about. It doesn't make a ton of sense now because he literally got on the phone and recruited Russell Gage. So that doesn't feel right. That doesn't feel like on Tom's brand. You recruit guys here.
Starting point is 00:06:49 You want to play a year with them. But I could see it. I mean, the Stephen Ross connection, the Michigan connection, the way they're building the offense. I mean, you start looking at these weapons for Miami. By the way, in a division where Belichick as a BB gun offense, the Jets of the Jets. I mean, you know, you got Josh Allen, but you'll always be able to attract a lot of free agents and guys that take a little less to play in Miami. I mean, Miami, if you go look at the NBA, when, if you go look at the NBA, when, if you're you look at stars, free agents that have been able to choose where they want to go in the NBA,
Starting point is 00:07:28 you'd think they'd go to New York and Philly and Boston, and they really don't. Kevin Durant was an exception. A lot of them have gone to Miami. Shaq went to Miami. Antoine Walker went to Miami. LeBron wanted to go to Miami. Chris Bosch wanted to go to Miami. Miami's always been attractive to athletes.
Starting point is 00:07:45 It's aqua water, no state tax, very chill, warm weather, workout anywhere. You can go out of your balcony and run on the beach any day of the year. It's perfect. So I was told that Tom would have ideally loved to have gone to Miami and go beat Belichick. But they just didn't have their act together. They didn't have players. And Brian Flores, I mean, he just didn't know much about him. I mean, he knew Brian.
Starting point is 00:08:10 But, you know, Brian's initial move into Miami was very defense-driven. Now the franchise Miami is totally pivoted to offense, which they should. So we'll see. and I do think Chris Simms said this I do think Brady looks at the NFC his division's now the worst in football it's not even arguable
Starting point is 00:08:29 it's too late now to make big moves it's the draft free agency's over so that division's getting worse and I think he you know he always thought he would beat Green Bay anyway so all right sage Rosenfels played in the NFL for 12 years Dolphins
Starting point is 00:08:48 Texans Giants Vikings Washington so okay let me throw this at you, Sage. So I'm reading an article from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel from a longtime Packer reporter. And this is kind of fascinating. And I always understand, listen, when you're on a football team, some of the guys you like, some you don't. If you're an older player, you probably don't, you don't even listen to the same music as young guys. Like, I get it, right? I'm not close with everybody at a company, but I do think it's important that I'm close with joy and I'm close with my team, right, and my staff. So this article states that basically
Starting point is 00:09:19 Devonte Adams and Aaron Rogers, Devante never felt like he, he, was part of the group. Like, and it's like, dude, if there was one guy in Green Bay, I would be friends with. Brady's taking his guys to the Kentucky Derby every year. Am I reaching there or is that something? I think it can be something. I mean, everyone's always looking for things in Aaron Rogers. He is a polarizing character, a polarizing quarterback, polarized in person sometimes.
Starting point is 00:09:47 And, you know, I think playing a position of quarterback is a lot about connection. I really do. I think the great ones, the great ones have this ability to connect with other people, no matter where they're from. And, you know, I played with a lot of a quarterbacks from far, who had his own way, like a guy from the country, connecting with people from all over the country who come from different backgrounds as him. And then Eli Manning, who came from, like, wealthy private school in New Orleans, also had ability to connect with his teammates. And some quarterbacks are a little bit better than that, better at that than others. and maybe, maybe in Green Bay, this could be an issue with Aaron Rogers.
Starting point is 00:10:27 But, you know, who know? He's his own sort of person. And again, I agree with you. If I'm a quarterback, I am trying to be basically not best friends, but very, very close with the key components of my offense, the left tackle, the offensive line, my best receiver. You want those guys to, you want to really get along with those guys. Yeah. So, you know, I said the downside to get Tyreek Hill to Tua.
Starting point is 00:10:51 is that Tyree Kill in this offense, by the way, with Mike McDaniel, it took Jared Goff and Jimmy Garoppolo's numbers and took those guys and made them, it's very quarterback friendly.
Starting point is 00:11:08 And to his numbers last year are pretty pedestrian. They're going to be better now. And I said, in a year, will it divide the room in Miami where everybody's going to timeout? Goff was great with these numbers. Garoppolo was great.
Starting point is 00:11:20 what do you make of Tyreek Hill two of the whole fit? I mean, do you think in a year we'll be going, we'll look at Tua differently because the offense will produce more points and numbers? I think it will. Listen, I'm one of the quarterbacks that was a part of this system. Mike McDaniel was a quality control back in Houston, right? Matt LaFluor Quality Control, obviously, Kyle Shanahan, our offensive coordinator at the beginning of this whole thing. If you look during that whole run, okay, from Houston days to Brian Hoyer in Cleveland having a pretty good season and just sort of, I mean, to obviously Matt Ryan and just all the places. Aaron Rogers having one of the best years, the best years of his career at the end here in this offense.
Starting point is 00:12:04 Yeah. Ryan Tannahill, failure in Miami, successful quarterback in Tennessee in this type of offense. Yeah. This offense does make quarterbacks better. It does help them to maximize their talent. It does put up better numbers. And as we see from the playoffs, especially in the NFC, we see teams advancing into the playoffs and deep into the playoffs
Starting point is 00:12:27 and into now weighing in the Super Bowl. So there is something about I had a cup of coffee with Kyle Shanahan or Sean McVeigh. And Mike McDaniels had probably the most coffee with both those guys. And in that style of offense, just so you know. When I was in Houston, we signed Andre Davis. He was like Michael Vicks, super fast ride receiver. We needed him. He wasn't a great receiver.
Starting point is 00:12:50 He was more of a tournament, but we needed him because he was so fast. He needed with the play action type stuff that they run, you need a couple of guys that can really flat out roll. And Andre Davis is one of those guys. Of course, Tyree Kill, probably the fastest guy in the NFL. So that component with play action, think if you're a safety, right? There's play action. The linebackers come up. And now you've got Tyree Kill running action.
Starting point is 00:13:14 you with all of that speed. He's going to be to run past you or you're going to back up so far. There's going to be huge spaces in the second day. That's what this type of offense does. And he is the perfect addition to Mike McDaniel's offense. You know, it's interesting. Baker Mayfield didn't have a ton of market. I kind of theorize that he's a better armed talent than Trubisky.
Starting point is 00:13:35 He doesn't have 22 civil suits like Deshaun. He's vaccinated, unlike Wentz. he's not as brittle as Marioota. He's not as old and more athletic than Matt Ryan. Yet there's no market. And I said, it's the toxicity. You have to be at some, just as always Jay Cutler's issue. And I'm not saying you have to be loved by everybody.
Starting point is 00:14:02 But Baker Mayfield is one of the 32 best quarterbacks in America. I strongly believe that. He may be 20th, 18th, but he's one of them. And when I say this, people push back in. go, if you can play, you can play. And I'm like, well, maybe if you're Aaron Rogers. But your thoughts about Baker virtually, having no market, all these guys that change teams have issues. But is toxicity worse than all their issues? Well, I think you and I like to analyze sports in two ways. Physically, watching a player actually play and compete. And then this
Starting point is 00:14:39 mental side, right? I've known you for a while now. You love talking about the psychology of sports and how players think and how they are and how they act. And I know there's a, you and Baker have a sort of a history there, of course. When I watch him, I don't know, I've never met him. I've never been in a locker room with him. I've never been in a huddle with them. I've never been. We've seen what I've seen publicly. And of course, I'm a big 12 guy. So I was, I saw him at Oklahoma for four years. And just all of that, I have my own perception of who Baker is and how likable he may or may not be. That's my own.
Starting point is 00:15:15 But what I see when I watch him actually in the physical side on the film, all right, his feet are a mess. If you would go and be a quarterback's coach and analyze all the things with Baker, his timing is off. He doesn't have rhythm in his footwork. He misses throws that he should be able to make. He struggles sometimes to move on to number three to running back on a little burst route. he's four hitches in and he should be two. He has major weaknesses, I think, in some of those type of rhythm mechanics, which are really important for the quarterback.
Starting point is 00:15:50 He missed a lot of throws last year. Yeah, he did. And that's why they didn't throw the, I mean, that's one of the reasons they didn't throw the ball all that much. What was his timing? It's legit. I mean, OBJ, he has his own sort of set of circumstances, but their timing, because OBJ is always a little off.
Starting point is 00:16:07 And Baker's is always a little off. That's where their timing was so terrible. They both weren't great for a timing style of offense, which this is. Yeah. So I thought all year long that Kenny Pickett was the best college quarterback I saw, and then I watched the Combine, and I know it's recency bias, but his personality, his side, I mean, I watched him on YouTube. You know, I don't watch Liberty Games, you know.
Starting point is 00:16:32 So I watched them at the Combine, and I was like, wow, that's different. That's the best college quarterback. because I watched all these other guys, the kid at Cincinnati, the kid at Carolina. And I was like, so that was my interpretation that I don't like to be swayed by the combine, but the help and the homeless guy, his interviews, podium, his size, his likability. I got to be honest. I'm a sucker. I was swayed by it.
Starting point is 00:16:57 I mean, you've seen more than I have. Is he the best college prospect out there? Yeah, I think so. I see the highest ceiling with him. And I always like guys, as you look around, you look back in your history, Ohio State's won a lot of college football games, right? Florida went urban Myers.
Starting point is 00:17:20 They went a lot of college football games. But their quarterbacks end up not being good NFL quarterbacks. I love it when there's guys who are smaller schools and not the big blue bloods, who raise the level of play of everybody and they end up winning a lot of football games. I always think back to Drew Buries. Yeah. We win the Rolls Bowl in college at Purdue. You take Drew Breeze off that team.
Starting point is 00:17:40 I don't know. They win four or five games that year. I think this kid is one of those types of guys that raises the level of play of sort of the people around him. And obviously, he does have the physical talent. And, you know, I know though, you know if that video of him handing out things to a homeless person in Indianapolis was staged, he's the type of person that seems like that you want on your football. team. He just, I think he's, you know, could be a really good NFL quarterback. It's such a, it's, I mean, I watch quarterbacks all the time. And it is still, I missed on Justin Herbert. I wasn't impressed at Oregon. I saw him bubble screens and go routes out of bounds. And I was like,
Starting point is 00:18:21 eh, I'm not really sure. And of course, he is who he is. And so it's such a hard, thing to try to really guess of which one of these guys is going to be a really good or a great NFL quarterback or just a long time backup or out of the league in two years. I mean, you get such a wide variety. But as you said that word, likeability, likeability to me is the most underrated sort of characteristic that all these quarterbacks, that people who judge quarterbacks, have a hard time seen. The likeability of your quarterback inspires the guys around them and those teams that have winning more football games or winning playoff games and having comebacks. The likeability to quarterback does just sort of raise the level of everybody in an NFL franchise,
Starting point is 00:19:06 and that is a very hard thing to find. All right. 30 seconds left. How's your bracket doing? Because mine's a mess. I butchered it. I didn't like UCLA at all. I love Arizona.
Starting point is 00:19:18 You got anybody left? Good Iowa State, baby. Iowa State tonight. Men's and women's. Men's and women's. All right. We're not just a football school. No, Iowa State is, of course, my team.
Starting point is 00:19:31 you want to watch a grind-it-out defense. In the Big 12, I'll tell you what, the way these teams play defense this year, if we win, it's going to be 55-51. If we lose, it's going to be 55-to-51. It is low-scoring, grind-out basketball. It's a lot of fun to watch. Coach Opsenberger's on great job. They won two games last year.
Starting point is 00:19:52 I know. Talk about Cinderella story. I know we have a pretty good tradition, but to go from two wins into the Sweet 16, I can't wait for tonight's matchup. Great seeing you, buddy. All right. Thanks for having me on. Yeah. Big 12, by the way, has accounted itself well in the tournament. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:07 Yeah. I mean, like, listen, and Texas Tech against Duke, like, that's a real basketball team. They were good. That game with about five. Duke's best players hit a couple of big shots late. The point, you know, point guard's not their best player. They have a top three kind of, you know, lottery pick. But, like, their best players hit big shots late. Otherwise, that game was a, that's a coin flip. So, uh, big 12 look good. And you know, the error thing is Kelvin Sampson, Houston coach? You forget they were in the final four last year. And they lost players to the NBA, and they're back.
Starting point is 00:20:39 That dude can coach. That guy can coach. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeard Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast, Superhuman, documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year.
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Starting point is 00:24:34 Circuit of the America Sunday at 3 Eastern on Fox and the Fox Sports app. There's a difference between losing and losing the same way. If you lose, it happens. You don't necessarily need to tweak the program. But I think Gonzaga has to consider it. Gonzaga lost again, and in the tournament the last several years, it feels like they're losing the same way. They get pushed around.
Starting point is 00:25:00 They get out-physicaled. They don't get toughened up much during their regular season because they average 25 to 30-point wins in the WCC, the West Coast Conference. It's not a terribly physical conference. They have teams like San Diego, Pepperdine, Santa Clara, Loyola. Sounds like places with really nice zoos and beaches. It's a volleyball conference, right? That's what it feels like.
Starting point is 00:25:25 Yeah. It's not the Big East. In the 80s and 90s, the Big East won seven titles and had 18 final fours. And it was a wrestling match. Providence and Seton Hall and St. John's and Georgetown in Villanova and Syracuse. And every weekend was a battle. And those teams came out of that conference and pushed pack 12 teams around in the tournament. You see it in college football, where the Big 12 is remarkable.
Starting point is 00:25:55 They set scoring records in football. and then they play the SEC in the tournament in the playoff. And the Big 12 has not won a national championship. I could be wrong, but I think it's in, what, 17 years as the SEC keeps piling them up. There's nothing wrong with winning regular season games, and it's not like the Big 12 doesn't win bowl games in college football, and that Gonzaga isn't an excellent March badness team. But in 22 years, they've won their conference 20 times and finished second twice.
Starting point is 00:26:25 Now, they probably can't move out of that conference because they don't have a football program, but it does make me think when you start losing the same way, Baylor, they beat UCLA last year, but we're pushed around. The 50-50 balls last night went to Arkansas. Do they have to recruit a little differently? They just don't come out hardened from their conference. Here's an example. This year, they played six games, six.
Starting point is 00:26:51 That's it. decided by nine or fewer points. They lost four. Maybe it's just their conference. Maybe it's not solvable. But when you start losing the same way, that's when you have to be introspective and go, hey, do we recruit a little bit of different players?
Starting point is 00:27:08 I never question their skill or their offense. Sometimes I question their toughness and their defense. Here's Alex with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, let's stick with the tournament because Coach Kay will get at least one more game in his incredible Duke career. The Blue Devils beat Texas Tech last night, 78 to 73 to advance to the Elite 8, where they will take on Arkansas on Saturday, who are heading to their street, second street elite 8.
Starting point is 00:27:38 And then they knocked off number one zags that you were just talking about. Now, this was Coach K's 100th tournament when he is the first coach to ever reach up milestone. Any guess who the close second might be? Let me think. Is it somebody that's, I mean, you know, John Wooden would win a lot, but back then the tournament didn't have as many teams. North Carolina. Dean Smith.
Starting point is 00:28:02 Roy Williams was 77. Wow. That is the closest second to his 100th tournament. Oh, because Roy Williams was also at Kansas. So, yeah, so Roy won a bunch of Kansas. Okay, that's good. That's a good trivia question right there. I like that.
Starting point is 00:28:16 Yeah, good one, right? So, but just to put this into perspective, I know you were talking about it earlier, how everybody loves Coach Kay. these are some notable players that he's coached. Because remember, he coached obviously at Duke, but then he also coached the Olympic teams. LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Kobe Bryant,
Starting point is 00:28:29 Steph Curry, James Hardin, Kauai Leonard, Damien Liller, Dwayne Wade, Cremel Anthony, Anthony Davis, Chris Paul, Russell Westper, Kyrie, Jimmy Butler, Draymond Grie. I mean, he has coached them all. A lot of personalities. Yeah. You know, and I've known a couple of people,
Starting point is 00:28:45 you know, I've worked with people that have been coached by him. And he's not for everybody. he's very intense. He practices hard. But, you know, I mean, just look at that list of coaches, players. Kauai Leonard is nonverbal. Kyrie Irving is highly verbal. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:05 Jimmy Butler's a live wire. Demar DeRosen's more low-key. So is Clay Thompson. Draymond Green is feisty. I really encourage everybody to buy the book by Ian O'Connor called The Rise of Coach K. Coach K, the Rise and Rain, fascinating. And what I took from the book, and Ian's brilliant, but what I took from the book, it was so well researched,
Starting point is 00:29:30 is that even as great as he is, people didn't like when he got hired because he had a losing record. Bobby Knight got him the job. Bobby Knight called Duke and said, this is your choice. And then five, six years in, everybody wanted him gone, and the athletic director stood by him and said he's the right guy, we're going to get it right, and he made the right decision. And when you read the book, they've had so many great players,
Starting point is 00:29:57 but it felt like to me when I read the book, the key to the whole Duke story was Johnny Dawkins. And I remember Johnny, long, angular player. They had good players forever, but when you read the book, it really felt like when Johnny got there, it kind of changed everything. But he's overcome the one and done, the three-point revolution.
Starting point is 00:30:16 It's a really good book because it's the kind of book that if you read, and if you're in any industry, even if you're not in an industry, it shows you that even if you're brilliant and you have Duke, it's hard in life. Yeah. It's been a struggle for him. And that thing is teetered and been on the precipice of going off the edge. And Mike just always had the will and fortitude to kind of get it back. Fascinating book.
Starting point is 00:30:45 Please, if you can. If you have time this weekend watching the games, buy that book. I'm going to add it to my audio book, Q. There you go. Thank you for that. You bet. All right, moving on.
Starting point is 00:30:55 The Dolphins introduce the new offensive editions of Tyree Kill. And Tehran Arm said yesterday, the two are hoping their combined experience can help Miami become a strong contender in the postseason. A lot of the team's success will be dependent on Tua's performance. But Tyree Kill thinks the dolphins have put together the right pieces to support their quarterback. Take a listen.
Starting point is 00:31:14 Tua is one of the most accurate, quarterback's in the NFL, man. So just his ball placement, you know, getting us the ball in space, you know, perfect placement. They definitely want to put all the right pieces around the quarterback because the quarterback is the most important play on the field. You know, having myself to run and a few more other pieces that were already here. Like you definitely, like you definitely can tell that the only want to win. I like when Miami's good, though, is the Miami Heat teams that have won have had some glamour, the Miami Hurricane teams that one had some glamour. Like the city, you kind of, you become your city.
Starting point is 00:31:46 you know, Dan Marino's dolphins. Like I like when the dolphins are fast and they're glamorous and they're fun. Nothing against Brian Flores, who I really thought was excellent. Yeah. But it wasn't the most beautiful football. It's going to be a lot prettier now. I got a lot. I mean, geez, Cedric Wilson's your third receiver.
Starting point is 00:32:06 So your second receiver is Jalen Waddle, who was fantastic at Alabama. And Tyreeks obviously gifted. And Mike Gaseki. So it's going to be, it's going to feel a little old. cool dolphin where they're going to throw the ball. It's going to be a lot of speed. There's going to be some up-tempo stuff. It's going to be fun to watch. And I think it's going to be extremely important that Tyreek talks to Tua and really gives
Starting point is 00:32:28 him the insight that he got from one of the best quarterbacks in the league. Patrick Mahom almost be like a coach to him. Yep. So, and it sounds like he's going to do that. Sounds like he's excited to do that. All right. Well, just a week after losing Devante Adams to the Raiders, Aaron Rogers is losing another target as Marquez Valdez Scantley.
Starting point is 00:32:46 has signed with the Chiefs. This comes just a day after Kansas City, sent all pro-wide receiver Tyree Killed to the Dolphins for five draft pick. Now, although the terms haven't been made public, reports indicate that Valdez Scanling is signing a three-year deal worth up to $36 million that will set him up to go from one MVP quarterback to another. Now, we knew KC was going to go out and get some weapons. He is a speed receiver. Yes. So you're not going to get the entire route tree from him. He's a speed receiver over the top. He'll give you five, six touchdowns. a year. And you can do some bubble screen stuff. Get him the ball early or late. Yeah. Not really an intermediate guy to this point in his career. But listen, he's tall and can really
Starting point is 00:33:26 run. And the truth is, he gets behind the defense. So, and again, with Andy Reed, he goes from Aaron and Matt LaFleur to Andy and Mahomes. So he's a nice piece. They're going to draft another receiver. And they got Choochoochoo. And they have, yeah, that needs to be. So they got a number True in Hardman, a good slot in Juju. I think Scantling's their deep threat, maybe a two to a three. Probably a three. They got a world-class tight end, the best young center in football, good old line. So I like the move. He is not a one-dimensional player, but you kind of know what he is. This is not Cooper Cup. We're going to put him in the back field. You know,
Starting point is 00:34:05 drag route. He's going to beat people over the top. So, and he'll give you five, six touchdowns year. And by the way, in the AFC, you can't have enough weapons, so I liked it. And it's Patrick Malmes. You have Patrick Moms. Good stuff, Alex, for the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. Big college basketball night tonight.
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Starting point is 00:35:50 I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment,
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Starting point is 00:38:59 he did get some good news yesterday on certain counties. not taking up some legal action, not charging him. We'll let lawyers figure that out. He's holding his press conference today in Cleveland. I'll give you a couple of the quotes that we've pulled off social media. One of the things he said is, I understand there's going to be a stain that's probably going to stick with me for a while. I've never done the things people are alleging.
Starting point is 00:39:24 I'm going to continue to fight for my name and clear my name. He also said why he was traded, asked to be traded. the biggest thing at the time. We were both going in different directions. That's why I wanted out. I thought the most interesting quote, he said, I knew Cleveland was the best situation
Starting point is 00:39:41 from a football standpoint. Now, that's where I agree with him. Remember, this came down to four teams. Atlanta, Carolina, New Orleans, all from the awful NFC South or Cleveland. Well, the best coach that we know of is in Cleveland. He was the AP coach of the year. what, two years ago, or a year ago.
Starting point is 00:40:04 So, I mean, you got Arthur Smith in Atlanta, no idea. Bruce Allen's the new coach. Is it Dennis Allen, my bad. Defensive coordinator elevated. So Dennis Allen, he did it once and got fired in Vegas or Oakland at the time, so I have no idea. Matt Rule, I like, but I got no idea. He's not going to be around there along.
Starting point is 00:40:27 If Sam Donald keeps throwing picks. Or I got Kevin Stefansky. Well, folks, head coach has a lot to say in how you do. The other thing is, just think about his life experience. He was running for his life for the last four years in Houston. They didn't have a good run game, and the O-line was awful. Well, Cleveland's got the best tandem in the league in Kareem Hunt and Nick Chubb. That's the best running back tandem.
Starting point is 00:40:52 Excellent O-line. Good tackles, great guards. They also have David and Joku, who for some reason, Baker-Mafield doesn't throw to who's super talented. And now they have Amari Cooper, who's a grown-up, right? So, like, you know, this is a guy that's been in the league a while. You know, you can depend on him. It is the best situation.
Starting point is 00:41:13 It's noisy. He's going to get suspended, I would guess, for all of September. The division's not easy. I tend to think, well, the division's tough. It's kind of overrated. Matt Stafford went to a way better division and won a Super Bowl. You know what I mean? like in the end, if I was a quarterback, I'm not.
Starting point is 00:41:33 But if I was a quarterback, I would worry less about the division and more about am I going to a place that has help, right? Like people, Aaron Rogers is in a lousy division. It's not helping him. Okay. They get the buy at home and they still can't win. So, and by the way, Ciox were winning Super Bowls in the great division. Niners got to a Super Bowl in a great division.
Starting point is 00:41:55 Rams just won a Super Bowl in that division. Alabama and Georgia with the two best teams in college football, they come from the toughest conference. I think that's overrated, being in an easy division. Scott and Zaga, you're not tested all year. So I think, you know, if you can come out of this division as a playoff team, Cincinnati twice, Pittsburgh twice, Baltimore twice, your battle tested.
Starting point is 00:42:16 That means something. So by the way, he was in a lousy division in the AFC South. They got out of that division. They get beaten the playoffs. So it is the best football situation. coach, O-line, and weapons. Now, if you went to Atlanta, which I thought was going to win, because at one point they had Kyle Pitts, Calvin Ridley, and Russell, gauge.
Starting point is 00:42:42 Well, that's kind of different. They don't have gauge anymore. And I have Ridley, and so it's not the same. And they're all lines, bad pass blocking O-line. So it makes sense to me. So if we get some sound here before the hour, we'll give it to you. Now, I said this earlier. We're kind of through the biggest part.
Starting point is 00:43:01 Somebody's going to sign Devonte Parker, the wide receiver for Miami. He's okay. He's like a three. He's kind of athletic, but he's not real consistent. He's probably a three. Decent three. Dolphins got Cedric Wilson. They don't need him now.
Starting point is 00:43:12 A better three. So here are my post NFL free agency predictions. I'm not going to do records. I'm not going to do playoffs. But my feeling today is Buffalo was the best team easily in that division. They add Vaughn Miller to protect leads late in the game from the edge. They're still the best team.
Starting point is 00:43:33 I think Miami just simply has far better playmakers than New England. Jalen Waddle, Cedric Wilson, Tyreek Hill, Mike Gaseki, they got better players. I don't understand what New England's doing. I just don't get it. I don't get it. They're not paying Mac Jones. Who are you paying?
Starting point is 00:43:53 I think they're third. They're a non-playoff team for me. and the Jets, I'll believe it when I see it. I think in the West and the AFC, people are spending a lot of time paying attention to Russell Wilson. You should. DJ Jones and Randy Gregory, Ann added to Bradley Chubb, is an unbelievable front if they're healthy. That is really, really stout. So I have them winning the division. even without Tyreek Hill, I picked Denver with Tyreek Hill.
Starting point is 00:44:27 I picked Denver to win it. I think Kansas City will still be viable. I think the Chiefs and the Chargers, it'll come down to the end of the year when they play each other. Probably in week 16 or 17, they'll play each other. Whoever wins gets second, whoever doesn't gets third. And I put the Raiders in fourth, but I think they're going to be a real viable team.
Starting point is 00:44:45 I mean, again, this division is you could have four playoff teams. So I don't think that's ever happened. It could happen here. in the AFC North, again, the only reason I put the Browns fourth, I don't think Deshawn plays in September. And I think if you go one in three in this division, O and four, one and three, if he doesn't play for five or six weeks, it's hard to overcome.
Starting point is 00:45:08 Bengals, Raven, Steelers, listen, Joe Burrow has a better O line and better protection. He got to a Super Bowl being sacked 70 times. Benefit of the doubt. I love him. I love his weapons. I like Zach Taylor. I'll give them the division. I got the Colts with Matt Ryan over the Titans.
Starting point is 00:45:24 Again, I don't think either team's great. They both feel 10 and 7. I do think Robert Woods to Tennessee was a really good fit. He is the best run-blocking receiver in the league. It's a physical football team. All Mike Frable teams are physical. He's a really physical receiver. But I like Matt Ryan.
Starting point is 00:45:42 I know he's old, but he was never young. To me, I have them winning the division. In the NFC, I'll throw it out. Listen, do we like anybody? Dallas is not the same team today. So even with their weapons last year, they disappointed you because of Mike McCarthy. Well, he didn't go anywhere.
Starting point is 00:46:01 Carson Wentz, I think adds wins. Remember, Washington lost a lot of one-possession games, and they were really bad at quarterback. They'll be way better at quarterback. And I think Dallas, Philly, and the Giants are non-playoff teams. I'll take the Rams, although I will say this. They're probably not going to have quite the pass rush.
Starting point is 00:46:24 Don't be socked if they make a move. They may draft it, trading deadline. You know, Vaughn Miller was really big for them. And Aaron Donald's a year older. So I like him a lot. I do think Trey Lance can play. I do. And I love the coach.
Starting point is 00:46:41 And I like their offensive personnel have to upgrade in the draft the O line. But I take, I think Trey Lance can play. get second. Arizona's a viable third. Seahawks are in rebuild mode. That's not argue about that. Before Devonte Adams left, I told the staff, Minnesota is going to win this division. I think the Vikings with an offensive coach are going to pop a little bit, love their weapons. Both receivers, tight end back, added Zadaria Smith, the edge rusher. I think Minnesota, always a team that plays the Packers well. Kirk Cousins, winning record in Lambo. Green Bay has no weapons. They got no weapons. It's hard to win a division. Minnesota's got several. Bears,
Starting point is 00:47:25 lions rounded out. And in what is as bad a division as the world's ever seen, Tampa will clinch by Thanksgiving over the Saints, the Panthers and the Falcons. Falcons in full sort of not tank, full rebuild mode. So now you do know half the teams that made the playoffs, For the last 20 years, half the teams that make it don't the following year. So don't at me. Cowboy fans, you're crazy. That division, you've got a different winner every year. So half the teams that make the playoffs every year do not the following year.
Starting point is 00:48:05 So I have the Washington will make it. I'm going to have Indy make it. I'm going to have Denver make it. And I'm going to have Minnesota make it. you do realize last year's standings, it's not going to look like that. Every year, eight coaches on average get fired. We thought it was going to be three. It was eight or nine.
Starting point is 00:48:25 And every year, half the playoff teams are out, half stay. Who's going to stay? Brady and Tampa, Rams. I think it's fairly predictable. I'm going to give Cincinnati the benefit of the doubt. Buffalo feels like a pretty safe bet. I do think Kansas City makes it in a different position. But, listen, quarterbacks won the best division.
Starting point is 00:48:45 and if you look at my picks, I've mostly got the best quarterback winning every division. Josh Allen, Russell, Russell Wilson, slow down, slow down, slow down, slow down. They'll both get in. I think Wentz is the best quarterback in that division. Many say Dak, I think Wentz is more physically gifted.
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