The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 2 - Saban, Niners, NBA

Episode Date: June 1, 2022

Why Nick Saban is upset with the name, image, and likeness rules It's looking like Trey Lance will be the starting QB for the Niners Guest: Peter KingSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go, hour two. Great to have you in. Live in Los Angeles, it's the herd, wherever you may be, and however you may be listening. IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. Mario Cristobal, new coach Miami Hurricanes, last hour. Joy was able to finagle using her leverage Mario to the show.

It will be journalists at the time. asking him probing questions in one hour. It's a whole exaggeration. Mario was to come on. Mario's great. We have a... I'm going to have an interesting college football season. You're obviously over the moon about USC,

but I've got Jason, my brother, at the U. I've got my nephew Isaiah at Arizona with Jedfish, and I've got my nephew Mason at LSU. The Brian Kelly. There's a lot of stuff. You got a lot of merch to buy. You've got a lot of merch. I always respected Nick Saban, but my BS meter is at an all-time high.

It fascinates me how often men in this country, tough guys, I'm a man, how often you're driven by fear. What you're outraged by? Now, not all the time. Sometimes there are things to be outraged about. But this NIL name image likeness, Nick Savon's concerned. It's a much of nonsense. It's all about fear of losing control of players and fear of change. By the way, pro sports are significantly more popular than college sports.

It's not close. I see the metrics. And college basketball and college football's attendance has been slipping for years. The audience, the consumer is telling you, they like pro sports more than ever. and college sports mostly less than ever. College sports has an attendance problem. March madness ratings are good, but everything gets TV ratings now because of gaming, because everything that works on TV now is live and sports is live.

But pro sports are filled with mobility. Player empowerment. Wage gaps, rich guy, rookie. And yet they're growing in popularity, growing in revenue. College sports aren't. Nick Saban acknowledged, came out, was asked yesterday about his Jimbo stuff. And I always love people who have strong opinions. The minute they're cornered, you know, I don't want to get into it.

Nick Saban did that again. I didn't really say that anybody did anything wrong. You said they bought their recruiting class. I didn't say anybody did anything wrong. Okay. And I've said everything I'm going to say about this. And I should have never mentioned any individual institutions. I said that before.

But, you know, some kind of uniform name image and likeness, you know, standard that supports some kind of equitable national competition, I think is really, really important in college athletics and college football. What he's saying is there needs to be regulated, which, by the way, I'm for some regulation. But he keeps pointing out it's good for the hole. He's never given a rip about the hole. Alabama for 10 years wouldn't play a road game out of conference. They schedule three cupcakes a year and always have their buy in front of big games. He wants to dominate. It's all he's ever cared about.

And that's fine. But be upfront with it. Don't BS us. You don't care about parity. You never cared about parity until the name image likeness came out and Texas schools have oil money and can buy players and you can't afford them. Now you want uniformity. Now you want guard rails. You don't want guardrails when you were gray shirt in your first couple years at Bama.

So what if a quarterback makes more than an offensive lineman in college? A quarterback makes more than an offensive lineman in the NFL. NFL is fine. Players understand it. Star positions, star players. People in Denver know Russell Wilson's going to make the most money. Everybody gets that. Patrick Mahomes going to make the most money.

Mahomes is making over $100 million a year off the field. There's no resentment. They love him. Nobody at USC resents Caleb Williams or at Alabama resents Bryce Young. great players are the most important position. This is all about the fear of losing control and power and change. And Texas is a massive economy and USC is in L.A., which is a massive economy, and they can buy players.

And Nick's not going to get as many L.A. kids. He may not get as many Texas kids. And he doesn't like that. But don't tell me you care about parity. Every company I've worked at has wage gaps. The owner's a billionaire, usually. The executives are millionaires, and most employees aren't. Every company I've worked at, and nobody resents that.

We all understand that. But what men are often afraid of, and there are certainly exceptions, there are things to fear, but a lot of times what guys fear is what they can't control. Losing power and change. The transfer portal is the classic one. Oh, these players, they come, they go. It's funny, Nick's using that thing like crazy. Half the time he likes guys that transfer out because he doesn't have a need for.

him anymore because they're not as good as the kid he just recruited. And then he goes and steals a wide receiver from Louisville. By the way, Alabama loses more top coordinators and assistance than almost any program. Doesn't hurt their momentum. So what if an occasional player transfers out? You get 25 new players a year. There's all sorts of mobility in college sports. The coaches leave, the assistants leave, the coordinators leave, the ADs leave.

Oh, my God, a wide receiver left on his terms. NFL, players have increasing. They're moving all over the place. League ratings last year, revenue last year. So you can't tell me you care about stuff. When I've watched for 15 years, you're not care about stuff. Saban doesn't care about parity. Now, I think Nick's great and I think he's smart.

But when he says, you know, I didn't name anybody specifically, you said Texas A&M paid for all their players, which is not true, I do not believe. Maybe some, maybe not. I don't know. But I'm not going to claim it because I don't know it. But you did name somebody. And you got called out on it.

And now this idea that he wants a standard that's good for all of us. Come on. You never cared about that. You cared about winning. What's the old line? Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining. Sometimes it's raining. Maybe sometimes somebody is doing that.

But you can't try to convince me of something. When I've watched something for 10 years and I've never thought Nick Sabin, you know what that guy cares about? Parity. I've never thought about that for a second. So just be true to yourself. Just be true to yourself. Peter King, he's true to himself.

NBC Sports listening to me rant on and on and on. Covering the NFL. Peter, I get into my moods. I'm sorry. Get into my moods, Peter. And joy usually rains me in. Hey, look, you know, the bottom line in this whole thing is that, I mean, you knew that Nick Saban was going to try to bury this, didn't you?

Yes, I mean, there's no, he, he can't. can't be helped by continuing this. He can't be Tommy Fam and Jock Peterson. He's just got to let this go, you know, whereas I think we all want Tommy Fam and Jock Peterson to go on forever. So let me ask you about this. Joy and I were, the staff and I were talking about it this year and I said, I got to be honest with you, a 23rd woman came out yesterday and Deshawn Watson, and I'm like, I don't know. I'm like, I don't know. He may not play this year. And I haven't seen. in play since January of 2021. Where are we at on Deshawn Watson right now?

It sounds very much like the NFL is going to issue some sort of punishment this year. Now, Colin, for this season, I mean, now understand that this is a different way of the NFL disciplining players now, because in the last CBA, Roger Goodell, in Essex, approved and the league agreed to with the players a different way to discipline players. So as now in a case like this, unagreed, there are going to be adjudicators who the union and the league have agreed to. So neutral parties. And this is a federal judge who's going to to adjudicate this one, a woman named Sue Peterson. And she is going to give her opinion on what the penalty to Deshawn Watson, if there is going

to be one, should be. Then Deshawn Watson is going to have the option to appeal this. And then it goes right back to Roger Goodell. So I would assume that we're going to see either one of two things, Colin. we're going to see either a pretty stiff penalty for this year or a penalty this year. And then the NFL is saying, well, look, we don't know what is going to happen in these civil cases, these 23 cases. So we reserve the right to add additional penalty for 2023 after the civil cases have been adjudicated. And again, look, Colin, no one.

no one on the inside right now is talking and saying what we might do or speculating or anything like that in part because it is out of their hands. It is in the hands of a neutral judge who is supposed to make a decision on what this is. And then obviously if Watson doesn't like the penalty, he can appeal. So I don't know how close we are, but I definitely think it's, I would be very surprised if it doesn't come this month. Colin Kaepernick had a workout. We didn't have video of it. Went fine. There's no deal imminent. What did you make of the whole thing? As I wrote on Monday, to me, this is, as soon as Josh McDaniels said, we have had tons of players in for workouts. I immediately thought, well, this is a coach and a general manager, you know, in a personnel department, getting their list of players ready who they might sign if they get an injury.

You know, because clearly they have been working out a lot of guys and you haven't heard the Raiders, you know, you don't see on the transaction wire them signing a bunch of guys. of guys after the draft. And, you know, after they sign their undrafted college-free agents. So I think this was Josh McDaniels and Dave Ziegler, the GM, doing their due diligence, doing their homework. And now they have a grade on Colin Kaepernick. And if they need a quarterback, they may go back to them and try to sign them. But I would doubt that if you're going to sign a guy, you're going to sign them pretty

quick. And once a few days passed, to me, that was it. This is about an insurance policy for the future. All right. I threw out a Baker-Mayfield idea yesterday, and I feel strongly about it. I don't think the Saints are tanking. I think Atlanta's kind of navigating to get a quarterback next year. I think Carolina similarly is in a rebuild. I don't think the Saints are. I think they historically draft well. They've got an excellent defense. They've got a really good club. We'll see how Dennis Allen works, and I said, James now's limping around. I mean, I don't think Brady winning a Super Bowl

with that roster a year after he went seven and nine did him any favors in the league. And I said, what they need is a quarterback they feel can take a really good group of players in a division Brady's a year away from retiring. Baker could be the best quarterback in that division. And I really honestly

feel like Seattle and Atlanta, they're looking for next year's draft. I don't think the Saints are, and I think they're too good, Peter, to be a five-win team and get one of those top quarterbacks. And I think this is a really good reboot for Baker. And I think they would immediately be the second best team. In the NFC, they would absolutely vie with Baker for a wild card spot.

Is that a crazy idea? I don't think it's a crazy idea, but you look at it this way, Colin. You know, for the Saints to even consider that, they're going to have to get the Cleveland Browns to pick up most, almost all of Baker Mayfield's contract. They're not going to spend cap money that they really don't have, you know, on Baker Mayfield. They would make, I believe, the Cleveland Browns,

you know, basically pick up the tab of his contract. I don't think the Browns are there right now, but they could get there by, say, August 1st, if they still have zero action on Baker Mayfield. So a lot of times coaches say something, and it's just not true over time. One of them was you've got to have starters play some games in the preseason. Sean McVeigh said that's nonsense.

It's never hurt the Rams. They're actually healthier than most teams coming into a season. I think you can make an argument in voluntary OTAs are nonsense. They don't matter. The Lamar Jackson situation, is odd. He didn't use a traditional agent. His off-seasons aren't as traditional. I've heard stories. They want to pay him. He doesn't think he's earned it. He lost his best receiver. I, you know, unlike Aaron who's missing volunteers, Aaron's been there forever. It's a first

ballot hall of famer. It didn't affect him last year. He was fighting with his organization all year, and they still were a top seed. The Lamar Baltimore thing, I just can't wrap my arms around what's going on. Am I overreacting? But it doesn't... I can't either. I don't get it. Yeah, I don't get it either. And part of the problem here is that when you don't have an agent, and he not only doesn't have a traditional agent, he doesn't have an agent. So, like, if you don't have somebody who, like, John Harbaugh could pick up the phone and call,

you know, Todd France or, you know, or, you know, or... whoever, agent, you know, Lee Steinberg or whoever could pick up the phone and say, hey, what's going on? Why is Lamar not at OTAs? And, you know, and just have a conversation. That's all we want to know. But right now, you know, Lamar is just being very private and keeping to himself down in Florida. I do think, Colin, that the last time that I ever remember a guy, you know, when it gets to be November, the last time I ever remember anybody talking about what a guy didn't do in the off season is never. And so I don't, I just don't think it's that big a deal even when you're going to have some new receivers you have to get used to. I just think this is one of those things that because the league is covered 24-7-365 maniacally now,

that this becomes a big deal. When I'm not sure it's a big deal. And Colin, I just want to go back to one thing about Lamar Jackson. I always maintained that the Ravens were in no hurry to do his contract because Lamar Jackson now has been poor. in the playoffs. Do you want to pay a guy who's never played well in the playoffs in his whatever, three or four games that he's played? I think four games. He has not had a single good playoff game yet. Do you want to pay him 40 or 43 or 45 million dollars a year when you're not sure if he's going to be

the guy to lead you to the promised land? And I know everybody will say, oh, there's, you know, there's not enough evidence that he can't do it. in the playoffs and, you know, that's, that's a bad reason, you know, to not sign them. But my feeling about this, honestly, is very, very simple that if you're going to pay a guy to be your franchise quarterback for the next 10 to 12 years, don't you want to be absolutely sure that he's your guy? And I'm still not sure that the Ravens are absolutely sure that he's their guy. that's one of the reasons why I think they'd like to get him to play this year.

Let's see what happens. If they have to pay the ransom after this year, they have to pay it. Yeah, it's interesting. I've been a big defender of him because he does win about 75% of the games he starts. You know, I could rant all day about it. I think the whole thing's fascinating with him. Peter King, NBCSports.com. Great seeing you.

Hope you had a great spring. We're moving into summer, Peter. And best wishes to you. Thanks a lot, Colin. Appreciate it. You bet. You know, he said something there that's interesting. He said they don't know what they have. That's interesting because I think a lot of times, like Zion scares me to death.

I really don't know if he'll be able to suit up and play. But I don't need, I think a lot of times when you sign somebody, you don't know exactly what you have. I mean, let's be honest. Green Bay just gave Aaron Rye. Rogers of fortune and you talk about a lot of unknowns. I don't know day to day what I'm getting with Aaron Rogers' personality. I would pay Kyler Murray. Boy, I don't know.

That size, he's been hurt. Can you last six, seven years with that? I don't have an answer for that. I just know when he's on the field, he's really good. That's my thing with Lamar. Seven to eight out of ten games he plays, he wins. That's a lot. I know that.

That's what I know. I don't know has he hit his ceiling. A lot of people think so. You're probably right. I don't think he's ever going to be a beautiful thrower. And I don't think his style of play is built for Brady's career. I think Matt Stafford with that arm and Aaron, if they don't get hit, those guys can just fling it. They can fling it until they're 48 years old.

I mean, literally Aaron, the way he throws off his back foot, it's like he's on his porch. I mean, he could just throw that thing forever if he wanted to play. With Lamar, run around, he takes some shots. Kuyler Murray. even Josh Allen. I don't think you can run around that much in last 15 years. Big Ben at the end was a mess. Cam Newton at the end.

I think Josh Allen's going to stop running around as much. I mean, like, he's their best running back a lot. You're going to get about four more years of that, and he's not going to look the same. So I don't know. For me, I get enough knowns with Kyler and Lamar. I'd sign them. I get a lot of wins. They're better every time I say.

I mean, Kyler just keeps getting better. But there is a lot. on that. Like Zion, there's too much unknowns. I can't do it. Michael Porter, I can't do it. So it's, there's all, but I guess my point is there's always some unknowns. Like when the, when the, well, you are something until you're not. Right. Josh Allen doesn't want a Super Bowl. That's right. The bills have a good Super Bowl record without Josh Allen. Right. Like, you don't know if you're going to win a Super Bowl with Josh Allen. It's not guaranteed. Is he a franchise quarterback? Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. You don't, you haven't won a Super Bowl with Josh Allen.

You haven't made a Super Bowl with Josh Allen. You have no idea if you're going to. It's. Smart Jackson was a league MVP. Most free agents on the market. You don't know really anything other than their previous production. Are they going to be as motivated by you? How are they going to react?

Remember, 33% of free agents. That's guys that are in the league and doing well. 33% of them hit. And that's not a college draft pick. These guys are in the league. They go to the market. People bid on them. They're professionals.

And they've succeeded. And like over half don't work. Also, take Patrick Mahomes out of it. I feel like everyone's like, well, we want Patrick Mahomes. There's one Patrick Mahomes, you don't got him. And you're not going to get him. And he's not going to hit the market. And he's not going to hit the market.

So let it go. Everyone wants Patrick Mahomes. There's only one Patrick Mahomes. He's in Kansas City. He's not going anywhere. And also, you don't have to give someone a Patrick Mahomes contract. Why are you worried about what's happening in 10 years? You might not be there in 10 years.

You probably actually won't be there in 10 years. Yeah, I mean, worry about the next three years. That's what you should be worried about. Yeah, I think a lot of times I just, the way I would see it if I ran some big empire is, do you have talent and do you show up to work? That's about as much as I know. You may not even like me. When you go home, you may tell your wife, I don't like Colin. You show up to work and you're really talented. That's about all. I don't even want to know your private life. I don't want to know everything about you. I want deniability. But if you're looking for the perfect. player. Boy, good luck with that. That is, they don't, even Mahomes, mechanics, goes into the tank for five and six game stretches. I've seen that multiple times. And he's, about as close to perfect as you're going to get. And he has had like stretches multiple times where it's like,

his mechanics are off. He's getting reckless again. Yeah, they don't win the Super Bowl here. We got to take him back to the laboratory and get him right. Thank God he's coachable. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app. Search Her to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential.

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Live from Wembley Stadium next on FS1 and the Fox Sports app. Very good. That was a nice pronunciation there, Joey. Thank you. I'm very Italian lately, so I really appreciate that. So Trey Lance is, I think, going to be the quarterback for the 49ers. He said something, and his tone was good. Like, he approached it the way he wanted to approach it.

But it made me think, here's Trey Lance talking about social media, what people say about him, people like us, people like me, what we say about him. Here was his opinion on that. This is Trey Lance. Most respectful way possible. It doesn't change how I feel about you guys as people, but I really don't like necessarily. It's not my job to care what you guys say or anyone else on social media.

I mean, for me, I care about what the guys in the locker room thing and what my coaching staff thinks. I will push back a little bit. It's important to know what people are saying. Remember, when teams take a player to the podium after a game or, before a game. They tell the players this is what they're going to ask you. This is the big topic today. They don't want you to be caught off guard. They want to give you a couple minutes to think about it because they want you to know the landmines before you step on one as a public figure. Owners in my career absolutely are influenced by media and fans. Jimmy Haslam drafted Johnny Mansell

because, quote, a guy on the street told him he was good. I wish I was making it up. I met Stan Cronky at a party six months ago, owner of the Rams. And, you know, I didn't know if he had any idea of who I was. And he goes, oh, I see a daily clips of you. Well, why is that? Because the Rams give him those, edit those, so he has a pulse of what people are saying. It's not like I have any influence. He just wants to know what people are saying.

So he can react to it, so he can be ahead of it and not behind it. You want to be reactive? No, you want to be proactive. And so let's say, for instance, that it can't people lose. There's been stories that Debo. Samuel has concerns about is he the guy, will his numbers go down? And all of a sudden you go in a three-game losing streak and he's losing players. There are stories.

You don't think the owner of the GM don't want to get ahead of that. So I don't think I'm important in the big picture, but I do think you want to know what people are saying. You want to know where the landmines are at. You want to know what the discussions are. Because I'm going to tell you something. Owners in my career have been influenced by fans. There's no question on that. Tom Brady absolutely knew what his critics were saying.

Remember those documentaries he put out? He knew everything everybody was saying. All of them. We've seen that side of Brady now much more in Tampa. The aware Tom can manipulate a little more, Tom. I want to get what I want to get from the coaching staff, Tom. You've got to be able to see stuff before it hits you. And so, you know, you can say all you

care about what the players think, but a lot of times the players won't tell you what they think. They'll leak what they think. It's good to know what's coming before it's there. That's all I'm saying. Joy with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This

is the herd line news. NIL, NIL. We're just going to keep debating this until there's some sort of actual change or regulation made. There's a lot of debate on how beneficial it is towards the players. And Brian Kelly talks about what he thinks that players need to be careful and what they wish

for. This has turned into a runaway train that has moved well past a student athlete and is moving too fast towards, you know, a professional, you know, contract. And I don't think that's what the intention was. I don't think they want contracts because I don't think they want to be traded. I'm sure they don't want to be cut. I'm sure they're not going to like getting a call at three o'clock in the afternoon and say, hey, I don't know, but we traded you today. to St. Bonaventure. And, oh, they don't have a football team either. I do, I don't have any sympathy for any of the coaches, just to be clear.

Not zero. No sympathy whatsoever. And I certainly don't have any sympathy for the NCAA. Because they had years and years to make decisions and rules and regulations on this. People haven't talked about this for over a decade. Chose to do nothing. So I don't have any sympathy for the chaos that everyone is claiming that it has become. I do understand his point there.

There is still a separation between professional players and amateur players and the amateur structure of college sports, which I do think should remain in place because he's right. When you do make a complete transition over into a professional sport, there has to be owners, there has to be commissioners, which I do think college football needs, but there has to be a whole lot of other compliance and regulation that has to be in place when you have a professional league as opposed to the amateur structure that college football is. Where I would push back on all these coaches is, again, I just hear a lot of problems and I'm not hearing any solutions.

I haven't heard one coach come out and say, here is how we could actually structure this to actually benefit, not just college football, but all of college sports. Okay, I have two solutions. I have solutions too. Players can't transfer from Labor Day to the last regular season game for the integrity of the sport. I don't want coaches can't leave either. Correct.

And they generally don't. So when the season starts, everybody's locked in. You're locked in. The other eight months do what you want. The second thing is, you have to be on campus before I pay you. Let's say four games.

Because I don't think you want to, what you don't want to do is be bidding wars for high school players. I don't think you want college coaches and donors hanging around high school parking lots to pay players. I don't want that. So those are solutions. A kid's got to be on campus. And let's say play.

six games in the program, meaning then you can make it, then a guy goes, that kid's going to be really good. Well, the main pushback that everyone has, including Brian Kelly, is that they don't want boosters involved. Well, boosters have always been involved. Boosters are what run college sports. They're on the planes. Often the top four boosters are on the planes.

There's no way to remove boosters. To me, I don't even care about the high school players, because when you get into, again, outside of college football, you're talking about some of these high school basketball players have millions of followers on Instagram before they ever set foot on your campus. They are a brand before you, they ever touch a jersey that you have. So how do you regulate that? To me, whatever money and a player gets for NIL, they have to just report to somebody at the school that is designated to handle NIL contracts and whatever, hire that person. Make sure they're qualified and hire that person. Then it's on the school to report to the NCAA or

whatever governing body is in place to regulate NIL on where that money is coming from the boosters. Why is this responsibility on these young people? If somebody comes to them and says, hey, I want to give you $3,000 to post us on Instagram, why do then I have to bear the responsibility of reporting this to the higher-ups? It's not on them. It should be on the schools. I was saying the other day, one of the things that did worry me about this is that kids, and I've said, kids will just follow the money and not the best opportunity for them. Like if an SEC school just says we'll pay you, and in the end it's not really the best for the kid.

And then I thought to myself, I thought about that. And I thought, wait a minute. Pro players do that all the time. They take the money. That's what life is. Robinson Canoe went to the Mariners, took the money. And also, who are we going to tell you what the best opportunity is for you? That's right. That's right.

Why should that be regulated? That's insanity. This is America. You're going to tell me what the best opportunity is for me because I happen to be younger than you? what do you know? Aaron Donald just signed with Antonio Brown and Kanye West. I wouldn't.

That's a pro player. And I wouldn't do that. He's an adult. That's his choice to do that. That's right. And by all accounts, he's managed his career perfectly. He has the right to make whatever choice he wants to.

So Steph Curry has never won an NBA finals MVP, but this might be his year. It's been a big point of conversation when it comes to his legacy. And according to Fox Bet, he is the odds on favorite at plus 100 to win the finals MVP, followed by Jason Tatum, plus 175, Jalen Brown plus 1,000, Draymond Green plus 1, plus 1,500, and Clay Thompson plus 1500.

Clay Thompson sneaky at plus 1,500. Got a little groove back. You know the defense for the Celtics is going to try to fluster Steph Curry. Good luck with that. Draymond won't score enough to be the MVP, probably. So if you think the Warriors are going to win. I think the Warriors are going to win, and I think Steph Curry is going to win finals MVP. Oh, my only bet I know so far.

And nobody agrees with me because I talked to somebody yesterday who's very sharp. He's an actual better. I love the Celtics in the first half of game one. Because I think Golden States had way too many days off. They're also trying to integrate. Could be a little rust. Multiple player auto. Porter's back.

I think they're back. Peyton's back. It's like I think they could be a little. And they tend to be a much. I don't think the first half under. You do that? That's a good call. First half under?

All right. But the Warriors are six NBA finals in eight. seasons. So I don't know how much the rust thing is going to matter in that regard. Isn't that amazing? Six and eight years. Yeah, that's staggering. It would be their fourth title in eight seasons if they win. I do think that the Warriors are going to win. They're currently favored by four going to Fox Bet in game one. Game one is tomorrow night in San Francisco. I think they're going to win the series. I think that Steph Curry is going to win the finals MVP because if they do win the series, I do think it's going to be through Steph Curry. Like this is not a situation

where you're going to need one defender to shut down someone on Boston. It's going to be a team effort, and Steph is the guy, and is averaging almost 26 points per game. So there's no conclusion on where Baker Mayfield will end up next season. According to Marrake Cabot, he might just be staying put. So the Browns have no intention of cutting Baker if they can't find a suitable trade partner. Releasing Baker would mean the Browns would have to pay the full guaranteed contract. So it really makes no sense for them to cut Baker,

because if you're going to pay his contract fully, you might as well trade with someone, pay his contract and get something back. So it doesn't make any sense for them to cut him. Now he would just be sitting on the roster. I don't know how things would get if this went all the way into training camp. It could get weird. The Panthers had a trade offer from the Panthers that fell through

because the Browns were unwilling to pick up the majority of Baker's contract. And the Browns might be hesitant because they might not have Deshawn Watson. A 23rd civil case was announced yesterday against the Sean Watson, so he now has 23 open civil cases against him. Jacoby Brissette would be the starter if Watson is unable to play, and they don't play Baker. Again, I have a very hard time imagining that Baker will ever play for the Browns again. Oh, I don't. There's no way. I think this was a situation that came together very quickly for the Browns,

so they weren't able to make a decision on Baker Mayfield, and the market wasn't as big as they thought it would be. and they just had to decide we're just going to get to Sean Watson and figure things out with Baker. Well, all men have egos. It's testosterone. If egos did not exist, there was no such thing as pride or vanity or egos.

Then there would be, that's, well, then women would run everything. But think about it. If those didn't exist, pride didn't exist. And Baker had the opportunity for eight weeks with this roster, this excellent roster, and finally in health, good health, to play, and show off to the rest of the league.

You'd be like, of course. Or sit on the sidelines and not play and create more doubt as everybody engineers a momentum toward next year's great college draft. If pride, ego, and vanity, and I have it too, if it didn't exist, the obvious move for Baker for eight weeks with this great roster, great coach, and great GM is play, absolutely somebody's going to go, because you know he's going to play well with this run game,

this old line and you know he is. Yeah, I mean, we remember the last thing we saw. The last thing we saw was a banged at Baker maybe. When he was healthy though. That's what I'm saying. He had a completely different career trajectory. I don't know that Deshawn Watson would even be there. It was a completely different situation. I think he bet on himself and it failed terribly. Now, again, I don't know after everything that happens that I, even being the type of individual that I am, who generally makes pretty good decisions, would be able to go out there and play again. I get it. That's what we have. We have.

But it's a lot. It's a lot. That's a lot to lay to the side. And I don't even know if the Browns would want to do that because that could cause some division in the locker room. Who knows how everybody feels about Dishon Watson being there. But I would sell it. I would say, if I was Baker, I'd say, listen, I love my teammates. I cannot let them see them sit out there.

And now they have a transitional quarterback. They know me. They know what I can do. This city and this organization and this coaching staff and these players. deserve the right to compete for the championship, I'm going to come back. I think the branding on that would be unbelievable. Everybody would be like, I like Baker.

And if he plays well, which he would, he would have multiple teams and a good team go after. Right now, it's the nonsense group that's interested. Yeah, because why would you want to get involved in this? Her attitude. Yeah. I'm telling you, ego gets in a way of a lot. Yeah, it does.

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He went to the better player, which is why I ripped him when he went to Brooklyn. He left the better player, which I think is the big mistake. But everybody said he took the easy way to win. Do you think Michael Jordan wanted to get tackled by the Pistons for years? Do you think LeBron loved being humiliated, losing to Dallas in the first finals in Miami? Do you think those guys were rooting for that? Do you think Kobe and Shaq wanted it to take four years to win championships? Most of the time, if I give you an option in life and you choose the easier route,

I'm going to defend you. Michael didn't want to have to get tackled forever by the Celtics and the Pistons. He wishes Scotty Pippin would arrive five years earlier. It would have been easier. Kobe and Shaq didn't want to fight for four years. They wish they would have one year won, gotten paid more early. This idea that choosing the warriors, yes, they were going to win. It worked instantly.

It was a good business decision. You didn't like it. It felt unfair. and it was almost so easy that at least Miami, when LeBron went there, he was vulnerable. It took about 25 games for it to work. The chemistry was weird early, maybe 20 games. And they lost the first year.

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