The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - Sean Payton Says Draft A Prototype

Episode Date: January 2, 2023

In this hour of The Herd, it's another edition of Where Was Colin Right, Where Colin Was Wrong. Also, Super Bowl champion head coach and FOX Sports analyst Sean Payton joins Colin to discuss San Francisco quarterback Brock Purdy's leadership and abilities displayed with the 49ers, drafting a player based on the position's prototypical size and weight (instead of statistics and flash), the dud that was Jets-Seahawks, and a lot more!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It is our number two. On a Monday, we're live in Los Angeles. It's the herd wherever you may be, however you may be listening. Iheart Radio, Fox Sports Radio FS-1. When I was a kid, I thought I was going to be a weather person. I used to watch the news. I'm still kind of fascinated with weather. So I have, there's a lot of websites I go to, and I'm always in.

I know, it's weird. So we are having, they used to call it like the Pineapple Express or something, El Nino or something, a weather friend. El Nino. My first two years in L.A., we had a couple of those. My wife was like, I thought it never rained in Los Angeles. So we've had this drought. We're battling now. So we're having some rain, like a 10, 12-day stretch of rain.

And the snowpack out west is insane. So congratulations to people who run these ski resorts because we've needed it. It was a terrible ski season last year. It's been unbelievable. It doesn't matter if it's the Cascades. It's Mount Bachelor in Oregon. It's mammoth here in California. It's Tahoe.

It's Park City. It's Colorado. Big rain, big snow, a lot of snowpack. Fun, wild, crazy. Skied with my kids, so much fun. Wild times out west. As a guy who is now a new dog owner for about 10 months, I've got to ask, what's the secret to walking your dog when it rains?

Because we've got a big dog, Golden Retriever. About 95 pounds. Yeah. If he gets wet and brings it in the house, I'm not letting him on the furniture or anything. So how do you keep the dog dry? Do you not walk him? What do you do? Of course you walk him.

With an umbrella. I don't even own an umbrella. Get home and get big town. Big beach towel. That's what you do. 15 minute dry off. He's a big boy. Of course.

He's an awesome. By the way, being a dog owner is really fun. I got to just say, it's awesome. Best. Yeah. The absolute best. All right, Colin right, Colin wrong. A lot of wrongs this week.

I was wrong a lot this week and here we go. Where Colin was right? Well, I did say I thought Brock Purdy is a four-year starter in college, three or four-year starter. I thought he'd be fine. This team does not ask the quarterback to do a lot. I worried that he wouldn't be able to go like to Philadelphia and win a playoff game. But in the five games, he started four or five games. His passer ratings over 106.

He's completing 67% of his throws. He's got McCaffrey and Jennings, George Kittle. He got a lot of weapons. He's got a brilliant play designer. So Brock Purdy, everybody freaked out. He's more accurate than Trey Lance. He's a better athlete than Jimmy Garapolo. And Kurt Warner and Tony Romo were not drafted. They can get to the Super Bowl, in my opinion, with Brock Purdy. That's yesterday came from behind. that's the result so far. Where Colin was raw. Well, the blazing five, the good news is we are 54% on the year. We need the bingles to win tonight, or we embarrassed ourselves this week.

The Jets laid an egg. I can't explain why the Raiders were so good. And Kirk Cousins, I think I'd trade him. But we are 41, 35, and 3, 54% for the year. Let's get to 55, win tonight, a couple of playoff games. That's where we're at right and wrong. Where Colin was right? We thought underdog Ohio State would account for themselves very well.

They were told for a month they didn't have a chance. Ohio State's a top three or four recruiting juggernaut in America. They got athletes everywhere. They got NFL stars everywhere. Right now they have as many good wide receivers as any program in the country and they had the better quarterback in this game by a lot. So there was no reason this team couldn't form a good game plan talent-wise. My question with Ohio State has been there on.

identity and their defense, but I wasn't shocked. Now, was C.J. Stroud better than I thought, absolutely. 348 yards, four TDs, and he ran. But we thought Ohio State would be very competitive in that game. Where Colin was wrong. I've been very critical of Matt Lefleur. He's just a play caller. He doesn't have an identity.

But the last two to three weeks, I'm wrong. This is exactly what the Packers should be. at least 50 to 55% a run team. You know, Aaron Rogers only completed 15 throws yesterday. That is a good thing because as they run the ball, they own time of possession, their defense is not on the field. And if you look at the Packer's stats during the four-game winning streak, they have a top three second half defense.

Run the ball. This is not a track team outside of Christian Watson. Nobody's going to beat you deep. They need another tight end. They should draft another receiver or two or go pay for him in the offseason. But I've been critical of Matt LaFleur finally found an identity. This team, I think, beats Detroit and gets in. Where Colin was wrong.

I don't know how, but Daniel Jones made the playoffs. A lot of it's the coach. He is fairly athletic. He can be accurate with time. Here's the thing. A lot of it's Brian Dayball, but let's be fair. Daniel has to make those throws. With Brian Daibol, he's gone from 64% completion percentage to 67, that's a real number,

and 84 in the passer rating to 92. And we know he's big and can move. That's never been the issue. Also, he's got seven rushing touchdown. So what Daibol has done is what he did with Josh Allen. He unleashes him, uses his size and his speed, and he lets him run. That's the best version of Daniel Jones. I never thought he would be a playoff quarterback.

I am completely wrong on that. I think a lot of it's Brian Daibald, but quarterbacks have to make the plays, and Daniel Jones has. Where Colin was right? Doug Peterson, when he was on the beach and didn't have a job, I said USC hire him,

Jacksonville hire him. Folks, the Jags rolled the Texans 31 to 3. I don't know if you're paying attention, but they look good, and they're playing downhill. And Trevor Lawrence since week 9, 14 TDs, two picks, and 106 passer rating.

right now Trevor Lawrence Thanksgiving on is a top five quarterback in this league which is what most of the scouts thought when he got drafted. I was a huge advocate of Doug Peterson. I thought it's one of the few times in a playoff game or a Super Bowl that Belichick absolutely got outcoached. You can count it on one hand. I think Peterson was that guy. He's the right hire.

Where Colin was wrong. I love Jim Harbaugh, but I thought he outthought himself in the bowl win loss. me, all the gimmicks and the Philly special off a timeout. And, you know, I just thought they got too clever, tried to be too deceptive. This is a team that had 10 routes in the Big Ten. You're a power team. Play with power. Stop throwing the ball up the sideline.

Go play with power. Lean in your tight ends, although I know one of them was all beat up. I hated that Philly Special call. A trick play off a timeout? The element of surprise is why every trick play works. You don't do a trick play out of a timeout, or I can prepare for it. I love hardball, but I hated that call. Where Colin was wrong.

Carson Wince. My bad, Carson Wince. I've never been a Taylor Hineke guy. I mean, he's a gamer. I think Wentz is the better talent. He's awful. His passer rating yesterday was 31. He was bad the minute he got in. There is something about Carson Wens' personality. Guys just don't dig him. That team plays better with Taylor Hineke. He's one of the dudes. I mean, some guys have that sort of beer drinking quality. You just want to hang out with him?

Go to Vegas with him, and some guys are talented. But it's not working with Carson Wentz. I think his career is over, and I wouldn't be surprised. Daniel Snyder can be very impulsive and inappropriate. I wouldn't be surprised if they just started over. Because I didn't like the move. I may like Carson Winst, but that was bad. Where Colin was wrong.

I defended Matt Eberflus. I don't love defensive head coaches with rookie or young quarterbacks. But they're a mess now. They've lost nine straight. That's the longest losing streak in the 103 years of the Bears football operation. And Justin Fields sacked seven times had seven completions against Detroit's defense. So I am not a fan, say it again, of hiring a defensive coach with a young quarterback. I don't love it.

And I didn't love to hire. But I defended him and I thought early in the year, I like their game plans and what they were doing. I have no trust whatsoever in the Bears organization to get the offense right. Fields has to be Superman, the O-Line. I think they drafted four O-Linmen last year, three or four. Bad receivers, bad, a couple of decent running backs. That offense is broken, personnel-wise. Nine straight losses.

I've seen the Houston Texans be wildly competitive against superior teams. nine straight losses in the NFC, mostly in the NFC. How's this? They've lost 12 of 13 with the one win being over the Patriots. Remember that game? I think it was a Monday night football game. They crushed the Patriots. To go back to Carson Wentz for a second, funny comment.

One of the reporters afterwards goes, Carson, you talk to us about the interception, and Carson Wentz goes, which won? I couldn't help but laugh. He had three picks in a season deciding game. Yeah, I mean, there is something to be said. the guys like Brock Purdy. Now, there's limitations and ceilings,

but some guy, you know, Jay Cutler was really talented. Not very likable in the room. Like a lot of the Bears players, a lot of the Denver players, just didn't like him. You don't have to be really likable if you're great.

You can get away with it. But Josh Allen, Burrow really come across as sort of this, you know, regular guy ethos, work hard, head down, share in the glory. Eli Manning is one of the smartest guys ever in this league. When he won,

he always deflected praise. When he lost, he always met the press. His entire career. So there is something about Wentz just doesn't connect with players like Taylor Heineke does. You're not going to build around Taylor Heineke, but there is value in relatability

at that position. Russell Wilson has struggled with this, where guys don't feel like he's one of us. He's got his own parking space and office. Doesn't bother me. I think a quarterback would. I'm surprised more don't. That's where we stand. Sean Always fascinating. In studio.

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To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so you all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. so I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you finishing that sentence. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really?

Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Sunday, it's the NFL season finale, and we'll have a week 18 doubleheader for you. featuring games with playoff implications on Fox and the Fox Sports app. With the Saints, six times they had the number one offense in the league,

and multiple other times they were in the top two or three. Sean Payton, Fox Sports Analyst, 15-year Super Bowl champ. Good to see him again. He had a little personal crisis in his family, so we're so glad to have you back. Things getting wrapped up to some degree, so thank you very much. Yeah, listen, it's great to be back on here. And, you know, we're all kind of creatures of habit

and routine and certainly you guys, especially with the amount of time you're on air. And I always like coming here on Mondays. I feel like that we can put a bow tie on some things in our league. Well, my lead today, this is good for you. I said

a lot of time, there's a difference between Colin plays and having an identity. Kyle Shanahan's offenses, there's an identity. You and Breeze, I knew what you were trying to do. Couldn't stop it. Andy Reed. A lot of times I see defensive coaches, They're calm plays, but the sensibility.

And I've been very critical of Matt Lafleur. And in the last three weeks, it's like, okay, they found it. Yeah. This is a run team. They don't have the weaponry to get into track meets. I really like, and by the way, Sean, as their run game is improved, the defense isn't on the field. So their second half defense now is fantastic.

Yeah. They tie so much together. And, you know, there's terms, complimentary, football but um we're seeing it in san francisco and and even when kansas city's going with with the weapons they have there's still something that they can attack versus the cover twos of the world the cover fours of the world the six the light boxes and the heavy coverage looks yeah uh and especially when we get down the stretch and we're here. I said this yesterday.

I feel like, you know, occasionally you go somewhere nice and there's a telescope in your hotel room and you don't know how to use it. You're kind of like this. And then all of a sudden, boom, it gets clear and you're like, oh, I got it. We're like one turn away then from knowing everything. That's great. This weekend. Yes.

But it got a lot clear yesterday. Yeah. Green Bay feels like this is what we are. I think there are most teams in the league have to play a certain way to win. maybe Kansas City doesn't. I want to talk about San Francisco. So my question was, every quarterback looks a lot better with a lead and a great defense. Yesterday, the Niners defense wasn't good. Robbie Gould missed an easy one.

And it was Brock had to make some plays now. Yeah. And my takeaway was all those years starting in college, I saw it with Kenny Pickett, he's capable. Yeah. That ended up being a real good game. That was great. And, you know, we laugh and try to figure things out in the green room on the weekend. And sometimes the more you try to figure them out, the more confused you can get.

We saw New Orleans play Philadelphia yesterday. And in that case, the absence of Jalen Hertz and what he does for their running game. And then all of a sudden, Gardner Minshue's got to play more of a conventional role. And I know New Orleans knows how to defend him. We played him in Jacksonville. They were going to keep them in the pocket and force them to make place from the pocket. But here's Purdy yesterday, you know, in a spot where there's some adversity.

Yes. I mean, that defense just didn't play well. Yeah. And credit the Raiders and credit, shoot, I'm drawing a blank on the quarterback's name. Jared Stidham. Yeah, Stidham, who was Auburn transferred from Baylor. Yeah. And drafted by New England.

we've played 65. We've started. Our league has started 65 different quarterbacks this season. It's a record. That's more than two per team. And so like if you're a father that's looking at the schedule saying, I'm going to take my son to see Arizona versus Atlanta. You have no idea.

You know, at the start of the season, And then all of a sudden you can't pick the names out of a lineup. Right. You know, one team's on their fourth quarterback, the other on their second. But both those guys played well. And I think, and I said this for the last month, and I don't think, you know, there's that hesitation can purdy do this. I think San Francisco is the team to beat in this tournament. In the whole tournament?

The whole thing. Wow. And I do. I do because, look, they had a moment defensively yesterday. They'll bounce back off of that. but if you use the analytics of defense, scoring, run game, and you factored in some of these things

and I think, look, Debo has been kind of quiet and I just feel like they're a team that's won, what, nine in a row now? You know, we're going to see a good game tonight that's really going to tell us a little bit more about the AFC. So I want to talk about that. So it's bingles, bills tonight, go either way. it's like a, you know, one and a half point.

I like, I think Cincinnati at home, a little more comfortable. I've said this. I feel like, I love boxing. I like, you know, like that commanding stuff. I feel, I've always said Buffalo's Tyson, doesn't always have a great jab. You know, I don't love their O line. They bail on the run game. They're too dependent on the home run.

Josh Allen, Tyson, too dependent on the left. Whereas I feel with Cincinnati, I get the jab, I get some power, I get the movement. They're more complete situationally. You don't know what they're going to do. They can run. They can pass. They tight ends. Joe can move.

When you look at this, are you concerned at all? Because I find myself with Buffalo pushing back on myself. Colin, don't fall in love with their home runs. Don't look at that old line. The run game they bail. Or you're in this game forever. Would you just rather have the home run to deal with it?

It's a great question. That's why tonight's a great game. And honestly, we could flip coins here and try to figure out who's going to win this game. They're two different type teams playing. That's the one thing. Yes. And so, yeah, do you want to feel like you know a little bit more of what you're getting?

I mean, certainly you don't want the boxer who's biting someone's ear off and then all of a sudden you're leaving in the first round. Right. I like Buffalo tonight. How come? I like Buffalo. I think the X-Factor is their quarterback. And I think

Diggs and I just think they're a little too much in a big spot this season and it was a big spot when they played the Rams. Obviously it doesn't look that way now. Thursday night they have a big win and another big spot against the Chiefs. This is kind of

I think their third big spot when you look. I mean they've won a lot of games but the Chief game was a big one. The opening game of the season on the road against the Rams. That was a big win. They stub their toe when you don't expect it. Yeah. I feel like Sean will have his guys ready, McDermott.

And I give the edge to him. I think he's done a great job. They're going to be right there in the end. This team will be playing in the AFC championship game. Cincinnati may very well be as well. I kind of see Kansas City there. But certainly this is one of those games that'll be interesting to watch.

So there's so many different stories today. Sean Payton for our radio audience. I never thought I'd see Daniel Jones in the playoffs. But it's interesting. What Dayball's done with him, and nobody thinks he's Josh Allen. But Dayball has done a little bit of the same. Yeah.

I'm going to get you out of the turnover business, and I'm going to let you run more. Yep. There's some design plays his touchdown yesterday. It was designed. Listen, they stole it from us. We ran that against Buffalo or against the Jets with Taysom Hill. I'm kidding when I say that.

But if you want to find quarterback runs and you don't want to look at college tape, there's four or five teams that we're going to pull the tape out and look for ideas. We're going to look at Baltimore. We're going to look at Buffalo. We're going to look at New Orleans. They're packaged with T. We're going to find teams Chicago now. So as soon as teams invest in that business, there's access to get new ideas in tape.

And I think Ryan's done a great job there. I mean, it's funny. Yesterday I said this, we say the seasons of marathon, we've seen a handful of teams just kind of hang in there with their stride. It may not be the fast stride. And we're not necessarily picking them to win place or show. but then we've seen a handful of those teams that all of a sudden we thought, ah, we'd see you back here. And what happened to the Jets and what happened to the dolphins?

A few of these teams that just faded down the stretch, it's a long year. And it's interesting. And here New England is, you know, in a position, you know, it's amazing. The length of the season, you break it into quarters. and if you're not paying attention or if you're not careful as a team, you can lose four games like that. Yeah, that's why finding your identity, figuring out what you're not and what you are.

Obviously health plays a big part of this, but are you ascending to some degree? Are you getting better? And then are you midstream adjusting? And that gets to like, hey, we wanted to do this in training camp, but we're better at this. Let's, let's, this is what we need to do now. So I want to talk about health.

A team that I, it took me a while to wrap my arms around him, but I'm going to defend them and I think they're going to get in is Miami. They were missing, I think, seven starters yesterday. And they're in an interesting spot. Football is largely, breeze and exception, a big man's game. Yeah. Big man's game. Most of your top 20 quarterbacks ever, six three and up.

Most, or they're thick. They're big men. Yep. Two is not. Teddy's not. Yep. and both get hurt. And this system in Miami, like the Niners,

is a distribution system. Kirk Cousins would be effective. Brady would be effective. It's not a playmaking offense. That's not Kyle. Kyle doesn't want you out there. Well, let's do this. Let's not draft small players

in the first 15 picks of the draft anymore in the first round. Let's not get away from prototype. And I talk with Bill Parcells about, this, Ron Wolf, and those early picks have to be prototype players. Big, 6-4, 225. Prototype, the way we've

designed it for each position, whatever the position requirement is. Now, let's say we're looking at a corner, and our requirement for prototype at that position is 5-11. And we're going to take this player in the first

six or seven picks, and he's off of that. You'd say, oh, how much? He's 5'10 or he's 5'9. There's a point at which you turn and say, all right, and Bill would say this. Does he walk on water? You told me that, yeah.

Yeah. And if the answer is yes, then, we're going to look at Aaron Glenn some more. Yeah, right, right. Because he drafted Aaron Glenn. Yeah. But when that topic comes up, and you just see the mistakes really recently.

And we go all the way back to Cleveland, and, you know, they have the movie draft day. Yeah. And I've said this before, and right at the very end, Kossner makes the right decision in the movie. But in real life, not Hollywood, they drafted Johnny Mansell, the same team. Yeah. And I think you have to pay attention to typing in when you're looking at the health of players

and you're looking at the size of players. And two is just one example. We're going to see it again. I think this upcoming year, there's another quarterback coming out of Alabama that's not going to be prototype. Yeah, so does he walk on water? Well, he did this weekend. So I want to pivot then to Sean, and this is where you're so valuable.

So I tend to, with a quarterback, now Pickett didn't go top ten. It was later first round. I tend to look for something that's unique. Herbert's size. Six, six and moves. Josh Allen's size. Mahomes aren't. And then I look at Kenny Pickett.

I'm like, I'm not sure what's unique. But then I've watched him in these games, and he just chops wood. He stays in the game. and then he makes a player too late. Yeah. There's something there. What do you see with him? Well, I see football intelligence.

I see someone who processes quickly. Okay. He certainly has it. You know, when we try to find those intangibles with his teammates, you can tell, you can watch a quarter of a game until his teammates think he's... You can see that. Yeah, you can see that.

You can see Mike Tomlin, when he came off that after that play, just like, Kenny F and picket. Right. And so, and then lastly, when you share a building, which is unique, right, the Steelers and the University of Pittsburgh,

and you have that much access to personality, skills, you know, all the other intangibles, that's invaluable. But, yeah, I think, look, There was a reason he dropped some. And then the cost of doing business changes a little bit,

but they weren't forced to start him or play him this year. They arrived at him where we see so many of these teams that take someone so early that... And they feel half to play him. Absolutely. Kyle Shanahan in San Francisco. Yeah. Are they the same team if Trey's still there? as their starter.

Yeah. I don't know that they are. Because I see Jimmy a little bit closer to Purdy. Right. And I think that's complimented what they do. So it's a hard position to evaluate. I mean, it's difficult when you start counting the misses. And then I would also say matches,

because if the better ones are getting taken early, the problematic teams are drafted early. And so how many have gone to problematic teams that we've not really heard from again or they don't come back till later on? That happens to. You know, Sean, I've thought about this. Just from an accuracy standpoint,

through the years, if you really want to be accurate with quarterbacks, guessing, I've thought about this because I made a lot of mistakes through the years, had some hits, had some misses, is that outside, the question becomes, are they good enough to overcome nonsense? I always thought Andrew Luck was and Trevor Lawrence.

Now, Elway probably was. But in the last 10 years, there have been two guys that I looked at and I said, I don't care where they land. Two. Now, it's easy to say Mahomes now, but I didn't know that. But I look at these guys. I look at C.J. Stroud and Bryce Young and Will Levis, and I don't think they are. So so much becomes location, coach, sensibility.

And I think Kenny Pickett's got a big advantage is they're not going to pay him for four years. So the defense is already good. their stability. 100%. He's going to succeed because and they draft and develop players well. The guy he's following was a great example. Ben sat in the draft room, threw his

cell phone down at the table. He felt he fell a little bit. And he went to Pittsburgh. And he doesn't even realize what's happening, but he could have been to these other spots. Aaron Rogers, same thing. He's a great example of it. I mean, he's

a perfect example. Not how he wanted it to unfold. but how would have the bigger picture unfolded had he got what he wanted early on? You know, he ends up in Houston or he ends up in, and no disrespect to some of these other places, but they've earned those spots when they're drafting that early every year.

I want to talk about, it was a surprising thud, Jets Seahawks. I mean, and maybe I should have known the veteran peed at home against the kids, Sala. You know what I mean? like that's really that's a tough win to go up to the northwest pete carroll uh kenneth walker was healthy when he's healthy they lean on him gino can throw 32 times very effective but i do think sometimes to get the right answer in life it's often a loss or pain yeah and i did think mike white in this

biggest moment shrinking there was some clarity here is that they need to left tackle and they needed a grown up at quarterback it's a nice roster and i know it's painful but i'm thinking if i'm flying back and I'm Robert Saul, I'm thinking, we gained some clarity today. Yeah, yeah, we're not here yet. Look, we were talking about this game, and Shrager, Peter had made the comment. They feel like they've had their best week of practice yet. When I hear that, I run. Really?

I'm like, well. Kiss of death. What does that mean? It just means, I'd like to think, honestly, when Friday comes and we finish the week of practice, I feel like, man, we're ready. I can't recall a time where I thought, God, I want to redo this week. There's a process to your game planning and there's a process to your installation. And regardless of your health, obviously your adversity, we've had a game where the night before we traveled to Carolina,

all five running backs were out with COVID and the running back coach. And we had a Saturday morning meeting and it was quickly, all right, how are we going to handle who's going to be a running back. And Ty Montgomery, who was playing receiver, who played running back, said, Ty, you're going to be a running back. Yeah. So Ty, moved to running back. We had an extended walk through Saturday, two extra periods. We got on a plane. We flew to Carolina and we won by 25 points. All right. So I wouldn't have told Peter we had our best week then. But generally speaking, all right, you feel like by the end of the week, hey, we're ready to go. Because that, that's how were conditioned and trained.

That was unique. But yeah, so I think, I do think I have a better feel for that team. I'm sure Sala has a better feel for that team, as do the personnel people. And now, there's some good news and bad news in that. And the bad news is, you know, our top five quarterback we selected, we know more about. And it's not the stuff we wanted to know. It's not the information we were hoping to know at this time. It'll be interesting to see how they handle that.

Okay, we haven't talked about this game, but you had so many playoff experiences. It's interesting. So here are the Eagles. When the Niners were all beat up early, now they're healthy. Yeah. The Eagles were healthy forever. Now they're falling apart.

And key guys, Lane Johnson's a Hall of Fame right tackle. I mean, they don't win when he doesn't play. Jalen Hertz is banged up. Now they lost sweat, a defensive lineman. And I look at them and take me to your experience, and I think it's weird. Sometimes I think a team's falling apart, and they show up in the playoffs, and it's a totally different sensibility. Would you be, or how concern would you be, that you're kind of key guys,

is it circle the wagons time? Are you a little concerned with Philadelphia? Well, yeah, I mean, look, I think it starts with the QB. So I'm under the assumption he's getting healthier, and he's going to be available for the playoffs. Relative to what you just said, though, we've got to find a way to get this one seat because it used to be there were two teams.

The one and the two would have a week away, rest your players, work on, you know, whatever it is that, and we're starting to see the trends, the power of that one seat. There'll be an exception here, there. But especially when your team is nicked up like Philly is, to get that additional week without a game.

So here they are playing the Giants. And the irony of this, when you think about this, I know. All right. This wasn't too long ago where I can't recall who the head coach was. I think it was Judge who's counting on the Eagles to win a game. And if the Eagles win this game last week of the season, the Giants are going to be, I think, in the postseason.

And he rushed to his, didn't he rest people? He took hurts out and he put in the kid from India. the 6-5 quarterback. I'm spacing on his name. Come on. He still might be there. And then rested a bunch of other players and it was the first time our league

we've talked about this before. It's happened before. It was the first time on a national stage our league saw that and thought wow. And it impacted seating. And I think how do you handle this if you're Brian Dayball this week? Well, only the head coach knows

at his play. There's a lot of theories. Some Parcells would say, we're always playing to win. He'd say, you know, I'd have a mutiny if I told Lawrence Taylor that we're going to sit guys. You know, and I understand that. But Philly needs this game. Yeah, they do. So do I. I think.

Yep. And they need this game and that'll help them kind of just stop the leaking a little bit. And we entered the postseason in 2009 with a tough loss. We were 13 and 0. We lost to the Cowboys. on a Saturday night game. Tough game. We lost. The following week, Tampa Bay beats us in overtime.

We miss a field goal to beat the Buccaneers. We had a 17-point lead, and we lose to Tampa Bay. And then the last week of the season, we go to Carolina. We get the one seed before that game. We rest our starters. And quite honestly, there's a lot of criticism. There's no team that's ever lost their last three regular season games and gone on to have success in the playoffs.

but I felt like we needed to and so we lost three in a row and then entered the postseason but we knew we had the one seed locked up Philly doesn't have it locked up and I think it's an important game for them how New York handles this game will be important finally your son goes to TCU

you were at Harbaugh's loss I thought they got way too gimmicky and they outfought themselves when you have a month to prepare for a game and they're running the Philly special out of a timeout I'm like no no no what was your interpretation of it yeah it was first off it was a great game to be there and watch it.

The first play of the game is what my biggest fear was. I told Connor we have to be able to, Michigan is bigger, and they're going to be stronger. Warmups, there's 120 Michigan players on the left-hand side of the field. I felt like there were 87 TCU players that just looked smaller. They didn't dress all their starters. All right, that's sunny. He's done a great job.

Both coaches have had. fantastic years. I think if you were a fan in attendance, everyone leaving that stadium felt like they just were exhausted. Oh, I was exhausted watching. It was a great, fantastic set of two games. I thought Michigan struggled with their red zone offense. And inside the 15 opportunities came up and there was one fumble, there was the Philly special. And I really thought he was going to kick a field goal that early in the game. you know he Jim is is and this is a compliment he is a clone to bow you know he understands the importance of a good rushing attack and what it does for the defense and what it does for the

quarterback and well in the first quarter before we've eaten a hot dog we've just sat down and I said on the timeout I turned to Connor I said he's going to kick a field goal here I think I would too and then they came out of the break with the other play. Both teams, look, it's going to be almost impossible to ever win a game if you throw two interceptions that are returned for a touchdown. All right, it's going to be impossible to win a game when that happens. And then the second, it was fantastic. I spent seven and a half hours on a couch.

Yeah, I read your tweet and I laughed. The most fun I've had in a long time. Connor, my son's a student. assistant and all he does for their football team. He watches a lot of portal tape. Sure. And he's part of the evaluation process. We're watching the second game, but we have to fly home because I'm in studio yesterday. And we watched Georgia score a touchdown and kick the extra point to go up one. And the phones are on in the plane. And you know when you're in that borrowed time space where you just know it's any second now, Ohio State receives the kick. So we never see

the final drive and the Miss Field goal. We land and we get the results. Yeah. That felt so bad. Well, that was just 30 minutes of great from Sean Payton, Fox NFL analyst. What a pleasure. It's been happy holidays. Happy New Year.

Yeah, happy New Year and happy holidays to you guys. I love coming on here. Honestly, it's the best thing going. And I feel like there's so much ahead to discuss. And I look forward to doing that. Today, with the college games, you know, we're, two lane USC. We thought David and Goliath

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You took a Saints team to 7 and 9 Seattle. Yeah, we were discussing this at the break. every four years our league sees a division like the NFC South. And the whole season, we just trash them and we talk about how none of the teams, because their records aren't good. And yet there's going to be a winner and they're going to host a playoff game. And then that same season in the owner's meetings or competition committee meetings will discuss, hey, do we want to change how we seed teams?

I think the way we seed teams right now is perfect. You win the division, you have a home playoff game. And by the way, since 1970, there have been six division winners that are at 500 and 8-8 or worse. All right, that's happened six times. In other words, we've had six bad divisions in the lifetime of these playoffs. And we saw it this year with the South. Those teams, though, in the postseason when they opened. Those six teams, their record, the first round, four and two.

And you were one of the teams that lost. New Orleans, 11 and five, wildcard team. Yep. We're going to seven and nine Seattle, 2010. Marshawn Lynch. And that's when the skittles fell from the sky. And Beastquake, you know, we had a 13 point lead in that game. So I say that because that's a dangerous opponent.

Yes. They're playing with house money. Yep. They got into the postseason. Tampa Bay is going to be that opponent. Tampa Bay, right now, they have a chance to be 9 and 8. I think they're 8 and 8. Yeah.

Or 8 and 9, but they're going to be, you know, you can't have a 500, you know, for the most part right now. So, but here's Tampa Bay, and they're going to host somebody. They're going to host somebody. And if you're looking at it now, it says Dallas goes to Tampa. Scary. Yeah. By the way, the weapons? That's a tough game for Dallas.

Even if you play well, you're Dallas, you play well. Because then all of a sudden, Tommy is going to face a little pre-vent, getting a row. I mean, because Tampa's offense has been anemic, but they've been good in the fourth. When they go hurry up, they've been really good. Yeah, and we saw some explosives yesterday for the first times.

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Sure. Right. And yesterday, you know, here it was, that connection came to fruition. But I think Jacksonville's another one of those teams that I think has a chance of winning their division, Tennessee. That's going to be a, what are those records going to be? How about Trevor Lawrence? Yeah.

And so there's going to be a good team traveling to the AFC South and facing a dangerous opponent. Jacksonville's going to be a lot more dangerous than Tennessee, and I don't see Jacksonville losing to Tennessee this weekend. Either do I. Yeah. Yeah, Tennessee's kind of packed it in, a lot of hurt, a lot of injuries. Every year there's a team or two that falls apart physically. Most of them, like the Chargers and Niners get healthy, Philadelphia healthy early. Tennessee's been hurt all year. They just can't get people right. Well, and now they've got another quarterback they feel pretty good about it. And you're like, what happened to Malik? We're talking about Dobbs. He's a pretty interesting player. Yeah. Four-point major in college, chemical engine.

Right. And quarterbacked. We got to go. And quarterbacked in college. Yeah. Four point chemical engineering. Tennessee, Alvin Camer. That's what I remember. They were teammates. All right. We got to go. Sean Payton, hour three. What a pleasure. Good stuff. Hour three next. I heard. One more herd. The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite on human me with Robert Smygel and friends, me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman

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