The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - Shedeur Sanders at camp

Episode Date: June 10, 2025

More on why the Mavericks should be look at as a better HC spot than the Knicks There are no more dynasties in the NBA Shedeur Sanders is looking good an Browns camp   Guest: Nick WrightSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Thanks for making us part of your day. Zach Frazier is a Steelers Center from West Virginia's great player. He's a top five or six center in the NFL already. A tremendous player. He said that Aaron Rogers addressed the Steelers team this morning and told them he is all in from this point forward. So that means something, Jay Mack. Albert Breers article is very interesting on, he deep dives this on Aaron to Pittsburgh.

Number one, he said, the Steelers actually wanted to keep working with Justin Fields. They thought that it was there, there. But they weren't going to get into a bidding war, and the Jets went and paid for him. Secondly, the Steelers didn't believe at the end of last year, in the Jets' Halloween game against the Texans, he made a few big-time back-shoulder throws. He played well in the Dolpherson. game in week 16 against the Jaguars he played well. So they thought they saw some vintage Rogers.

And number three is the Steelers did some diligence, and they said he did have some strong relationships in the Jets building, Robert Sala, Christopher Johnson, who's a co-owner. So they said it was more of a, it was overstated what a mess the Jets was. So that's what the story says. Listen, Breer knows his stuff, obviously. I disagree with him. I just think the Steelers are spinning big time, right?

Not a mess, Colin? What? The Jets were like maybe the biggest dumpster fire in the league last year. Firing the coach early, having no game plan, Rogers just stinking up the joint, costing them games with interceptions, pick sixes galore. I can't find the positives, but hey, Pittsburgh, good luck. Enjoy this seven wins.

Here's the positives. You and I are in the interesting business, and the Steelers' offense hasn't been interesting since about 2018, so they're interesting. Aaron is interesting. I mean, I would not watch the Steelers if it was Mason Rudolph and Will Howard. I wouldn't watch the game.

I mean, there's no reason. They'd be in the one o'clock window. They'd be getting beat in the first six weeks. After about three weeks, what's the point? You're going to watch with Aaron. I mean, I watch the Jets, and the Jets aren't interesting outside of Aaron. The second thing is Aaron is not playing for money.

He's not playing for legacy. He's not playing for a Super Bowl run. This team isn't close to a Super Bowl with or without Aaron. So I think it's pretty. obvious. Aaron likes to come across as a little detached. I think he's playing for the love of football. I think he loves the game. I think he likes to compete. I think he's into it. What else are you going to do? You know, the contract, I read the contract this morning. Most of it's incentives. I mean, he gets $500,000 if the Steelers make the playoffs. That's an outside shot. $750,000 if they win in the

divisional round. I don't think that's happening. million five if they win the Super Bowl and Rogers takes at least half of the snaps. That's not happening. 1.5 million if he wins the MVP. That is not happening. So more than half of the incentives, 3 million are tied to winning the Super Bowl. So I think Aaron's playing for the love of football. I mean, it's not going to help his legacy.

It's not going to be a pretty year. It's an eight or nine win team max. So, you know, spin it positively. He's always like, football means more to Aaron than And sometimes he lets on. There's a certain joy to playing. He likes it. Good for him.

Nick right now joining us live. First things first. By the way, if you ran the Steelers, would you have been patient and signed Aaron Rogers? What would you have done if you ran the Steelers? I would have taken a totally different tact this offseason. I wouldn't have traded for D.K. Metcalfe. I still would have traded away George Pickens. And I would have, as we are now seeing with T.J. Watt, wanting a new

contract, I would have traded TJ Watt to get a first round pick and something else. And I would have said, Mason Rudolph, you're the man. And I'd have run that team out there for one year to force a hard reset and go into next year, because they clearly didn't love the quarterbacks in this year's draft, to go into next year's draft with multiple firsts, multiple seconds, clean up their cap, their own really good pick, and have a reset from there. because this game they're trying to play when you play in a division with Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow that we're going to patchwork the quarterback position.

And, you know, our mutual friend Kevin Clark speculated about this last week, and I think he's right, that Pittsburgh Steeler quarterback 2026 has Anthony Richardson's name written all over it because that is a very like buy low, maybe you get something out of him. That's no path forward. And much like we say, when you pay a quarterback top dollar, you might then ask him to do more with less weapons-wise. When Mike Tomlin is your head coach, I think it is fair to ask his defense to do more with less from a personnel perspective. So if you could essentially get your future quarterback by moving off T.J. Watt or using your own pick next year and have one gap year, so to speak.

That's what I would have done. Instead, it would appear that the Steelers, they built an entire offseason around a goal of can we possibly maybe win a single playoff game for the first time in nine years, even though it gets them absolutely no closer to Super Bowl number seven for one of the most prestigious franchises in the history of the league. So I think it's a mistake. what they've done, and I think being in the Aaron Rogers business is a mistake, and I think punting on a long-term quarterback solution is a mistake.

By the way, since Sam Darnold escaped the Panthers and the Jets, he's obviously a talented quarterback. So, you know, my history on projecting quarterbacks is not terrible. Daniel Jones, Zach Wilson, and I'm pretty good. Pretty, pretty good. So, I'm not sitting on the fence. Shadour Sanders will unseat Joe Flacco sometime in the first seven to eight weeks. First of all, the OTA reports were wildly cynical, optimistic.

You couldn't trust any of them. They were all over the map. Sure. Just give me project what this year is going to look like for Shadur-Sand-R. Mine is week seven, the only only. owners like Dylan Gabriel, small, flackos, old, Kenny Pickett's boring. I want Shadour Sanders. And the owner's going to get his way.

The schedule's tough. They're going to get beat up by Burrell, Lamar, Gough, Love. Give me your projection. Okay. All right. Well, first of all, speaking of Dylan Gabriel being small, not to give your producers work on the fly. But if they could somehow, in this segment or in the next,

pull up, if you go to the Browns, official Twitter account. There is a short video of like the photos, the photo shoot. And Dylan Gabriel and Joe Flacco are both in it in the beginning before they take their picture.

And when you say Dylan Gabriel small, I know Joe Flacco's a big guy, but he's not 6'8. And the way he towers over Dylan Gabriel makes it it looks like it's bring your son to work day. I've never seen anything

like it. It's startling how tiny Dylan Gabriel looks compared to Joe Flacco. So here's what I think, because I was not as high on Shador coming into the draft as some people. With that said, I certainly thought he was a better prospect than Gabriel. And Kenny Pickett, in my opinion, is not an NFL quarterback. We have seen that repeatedly. And Joe Flacco is good for, at best, a really hot month, maybe a decent six weeks, but we know at this point in his career there's an expiration. So here is what I would say, Colin. If Shador does not start games for the Browns this year, it's a major disappointment. And I know some people might be like, guys, he was a fifth round pick. He's not supposed to. I understand that. But here is how I look at it. I don't

think they're going to keep four quarterbacks. I know historically that's been done on the rare occasion. I don't think they're going to. That's just the picture of Gabriel versus Flacco and the other guys. I'm telling you, maybe it's the scope of the video I'm talking about. It's unbelievable. He's just towering over him. But no, so I don't think they're going to keep Colin four quarterbacks. I think they are going, my guess would be Flacco and Pickett are competing to be the starter. And whoever is not the starter of those two veterans, the Browns will try to trade one of them for like a conditional seventh to another team. And then they will want to roster both of their draft picks because you can't put one of them on practice squad. Another team could then just take him.

So Chador's first objective should be, can I beat out Dylan Gabriel for the backup quarterback job? Can I, from now until September 1st, be better than Dylan Gabriel? I think he can. And if you go into this season as the Brown's backup quarterback, then you are eventually going to be the Brown's starting quarterback because Kenny Pickett or Joe Flacco are absolutely not going to start all 17 games. So I think your projection about around midseason is a fair one. I think they have around a midseason by.

I don't have it committed to memory, but that's how I read. remember it. And so I think that's right. And if he doesn't, then the draft slide wasn't just about fame and drama and his dad and all that. It was the real football measurables that people were concerned about. I got to throw this at you. I understand the cash A of coaching the Knicks. I like the cash cow of Cooper Flag. There is no way I'm leaving Dallas and AD. So my argument is the Jason Kidd rumors. I wouldn't have fired Tibbs, but the rumors. So

Jason Kidd gets the best player on either team, AD. 24 and 11, elite defender. All the bigs for the near York Knicks have issues and Brunson's got defensive issues. And then the trajectory for Derek Lively and Cooper Flagg, the sky is the limit. If Lively was one of the top rim

protectors in two years, he's 21. Cooper Flagg's 18-19. I know the Knicks has cachet and the East is weaker. I'm sorry. I get it. But if AD comes back, Gafford, Washington, Cooper Flag, lively, I can't, the Knicks have a bunch of guys. Mikhail Bridges wants more money. Brunson's expensive.

Kat's expensive. OG got paid. Josh Hart. It's a roster of ceilings. I cannot leave lively and flag for that roster. Can you? Oh, so yes, I can. And especially if I think if I live.

leave that Knicks roster might one day also have Janus on it. So I think you're, so first I want to give you credit because I've been peddling, now I've been giving you credit for it, but I've been peddling your James Dolan's sphere take to everyone who is in the market for it. And I know you talked about it again recently, which is Dolan got distracted by the sphere, which is what allowed the Knicks to become great. And then what I added to that take was, sudden the sphere's up and running fully functional and the Knicks are the hottest show in town and

James Dolan is like the kid in toy story who got you know it was like buzz lightyer was the new toy and then he's like you know what I always loved Woody the most anyway and now he's like this is really where I want to be fire the coach bring in somebody so I do think you nailed that but where I disagree with you is I think that the barrier to entry in the west is so much higher than in the the East. Cooper Flagg, the fact that he won't turn 19 until December is really good for the long-term projection of what he'll be, but it's also indicative that he's probably not going to have a real impact on winning for a few years. Even Wimby, who was a far better prospect than Cooper Flagg, we saw this year in year two prior to the blood clot, the Spurs still

weren't winning. I think I disagree with you that Anthony Davis is the best player on the two teams. I think Jalen Brunson at this point is a more impactful player for no other reason than he's so much more available than Anthony Davis. And next year, the East next year is as wide open of a conference as any conference we've ever seen. You then add to it that I think the Knicks' entire plan here is Jason Kemp. kid who coached Janus, who Janice liked. If we hire Kid, does that tip the scales to Janus not only asking for her trade, but asking for her trade specifically to New York? So, and by the way, Jason Kidd has always been a guy with a wandering eye as a player or as a coach. And so I,

I don't think he loved the Luca trade. I think he understands that right now, forget being a top three team in the Western Conference. Next year, the Dallas Mavericks are likely not a top three team in the state of Texas with the Rockets and the Spurs ready to do what they are. And so if I were Jason kid, I would want the Knicks. I would want the easier path to the finals. I would want far better management than they has currently in Dallas. And I would want the chance to go get Janus. So I think the Pacers are a little outmatch. I think, you know, I mean, Oklahoma City's led for 91 minutes, the Pacers, too. And I think Oklahoma City, who I liked in the series, I'm sure you did as well, we'll win.

But it is interesting. When Denver won the title a couple years ago, I was like, this is the Spurs with Duncan. And then it wasn't. And then when Tatum and the Celtics win, I'm like, four, six, I mean, they could go on forever. And then it didn't. It said that, I look at Oklahoma City, and I'm like, well, they're going to have to pay like Jalen Williams and Holmgren's still hot and cold, and I love SGA. But I look at it and I think, if Yonis went to San Antonio, it changes it.

If Yonis went to Houston, I think Dallas is good next year. The Lakers could make something happen. I don't want to fall for it again. Let's say Oklahoma City wins and they win it in five. What is their trajectory? Do you see, because I've fallen for it twice, and I'm like, slow down. They're not that good. Or are they?

So, well, no, I think they are that good. I also think that we are not in a dynasty era. I think that the aprons and the different things the NBA is put in to kind of prevent super teams has had that effect, where even if you're the Celtics and you're homegrown, and not that they're all homegrown, but Tatum and Brown were, and you make really smart moves and all those things, your window's still relatively short because now, even if Tatum were healthy, the Celtics would be selling off pieces this offseason. I also think it is instructive that if we look at Colin, the last seven champions, none of them the following year have made it past round two. No one's

come close to defending their title. And of the last six champions, the only one to make a conference finals at any point post-championship was actually the Lakers when they made it a few years after they won in 2020 when they made the conference finals in 2023. Last year's champ got clipped in round two. The year before champ got clipped in round two. The year before that, the champ, the warriors missed the playoffs and the champ the year before that, the bucks, got clipped in round two. We are not in a dynastic era right now. And so I applaud. you for not making the mistake that so many people have I see making, which is the exact same people who promised me the nuggets were about to reel off a bunch. And as of a month ago,

one month ago, a lot of people thought we were in the Celtics era. And now today, they're like, turns out it's not the Celtics era. In fact, it's someone else's era. It's the Thunder era. that in the NBA, it always feels like the team that just won is always going to win. And in large part, that's because for a lot of NBA history, that was true. In this, the last decade, that has not been true. And so I would not yet pencil in the thunder for multiple championships, even though I agree with you, I think they are going. I don't see a single matchup that Indiana has the advantage in.

and I don't think a single pacer can feel good about how they've played. Colin, did you realize the Pacers haven't had a player scored 20 points yet? Not one player scored 20. Well, forget 30, 20. Look at, I mean, if you start looking at Ant, if you start looking at what Oklahoma City's defense has done. I mean, people forget this because we don't watch the regular season like the postseason. They won by an average of 13 points.

That is hard in the West. That's not in the east. That's in the west. If you look at Oklahoma City's record against the east, I don't have it, as you said, committed to memory. 29 and 1. They were 29 and 1. Okay, now I want to show this. My take on the Brown's quarterback is one quarterback's too old, one's too small, and then one is too boring.

Hold on. Here's the video. That does not look like it's two pros. I mean, that when you see Flacco walk over there, it looks. like it's someone who works for the Brown social media team. Like, again, I understand that, and I'm not trying to be unfair, and I think Dylan Gabriel is a really cool story. But I do not like, I don't like, just watch him when he walks over if it reset, if it

replays. I don't love super skinny NBA players, and I don't like small quarterbacks. Like, that is great. I mean, Flacco's a big guy. He's not, he's not Brock. Osweiler. And so I don't know, man. Like, I just can't imagine you watched more Oregon football than me, but I don't think you were watching Oregon this year and like, well, that guy's probably a week five NFL starter. And I mean, Flacco does him the courtesy of, you know, kind of squatting down in the picture to not tower over him in the team photo.

I just, Chador should be able to beat him out. And Chador should be able to beat out Kenny Pickett. and Joe Flacco, because of his age, we know he's not going to start the whole season. I think it is a, it will be a very ominous sign to your point from the beginning, if Shador is not the starter at some point. Yeah. No, I watch eight Oregon games a year, and my take was that's a hell of a college player. And you see that all the time. I see guys all the time, I'm like, that is a great college player.

And then sometimes, like the Arizona State had that running back. Scataboo, yeah. Like I looked at him and I'm like, I remember asking myself, don't fall for it. And then the more I watched him bounce off people, I'm like, okay, that's an NFL player. Ain't that a first or second round guy. He's a fourth, fifth, sixth round guy. So, I mean, Dylan, you know, Gabriel? I looked at as like a six-round quarterback at best.

You know who he reminded me of? He was now. He wasn't as good in college. as the player I'm about to mention. And, you know, this is a colleague and a friend. So I hope this is not taken as an insult because it's a compliment. But he reminded me of Chase Daniel, where it's like, oh, okay. And Chase was a great college player.

You know, Chase was in the Heisman race at one point. But you looked at him and you said, okay, because of his size, his ceiling on the next level is long-term backup. And Chase, to his credit, was a great, like, you know, a professional. backup for more than a decade. I thought, I would imagine that's how Dylan Gabriel's even family and agents looked at it.

Like, hey, you do everything right, and you can be on an NFL roster for a decade, maybe a spot starter, and then, you know, use that as a pipeline to coaching or whatever it is. I don't think people are like, Dylan Gabriel is going to be our

Kyler Murray. Like, he's not that player. And so, and so I, that's, that's, that's, what I thought. So Shador should have an opportunity there, a real opportunity. Nick Wright, first things first. Good seeing you, my man. See you, Colin. Yeah.

You know, it's funny, when I was young growing up, in the 70s, there was a quarterback out of Georgia named Fran Tarkenton who ran around. He was a smaller quarterback. He was like 5-11, 6'4, 6' tall. Quarterbacks were just in the 70s and 80s. They were big. There were 6-2, 6-3, 6-4, 6-5, and I can

remember some quarterbacks getting drafted big that failed. Dan McGuire, six, five, six, seven. They didn't all work, Brock Osweiler. But I can remember the first small quarterback I noticed was Fran Tarkand. And then Russell Wilson comes in and has success. And I thought Russell Wilson got guys like Johnny Mansell drafted. But size matters at quarterbacks, not picking on anybody. It just, it does matter. And so, Shadur Sanders, and I made this comment a year ago, is bigger in person than you think. I sometimes I'll watch video of like quarterbacks when they're at the Combine or they're at like the senior bowl and they're hanging around normal size people like you and me.

Shador Sanders is they list them at 6-2. He's a big 6-2. You know, big shoulders, big head. He's an NFL. I mean, Aaron, I'll give an example about that. Aaron Rogers is six, one and a half. Aaron Rogers is my height. I've never once thought he was a small quarterback. He weighs 32 pounds to 35 pounds more than me with the same height. And I don't think Aaron looks heavy, but big butt, big shoulders, you know, big head. Aaron's a pro athlete. And so Mahomes is six, one and a half. I've never even thought about his height. Well, two is six feet tall, they tell me, and that's all I can stare at.

So a lot of Bryce Young to me feels small. So it's nothing against the guy, but there are some guys, I mean, Zach Wilson to me, they say six, one and a half, six two. He looks small. Mahalms is six, one and a half. I've never even thought about his height. So, you know, I just think Shadur, it's kind of pick on Shadur Sanders time in the NFL. I think he's pretty good.

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a character like him. Well, he's now chiming in on the NBA finals and had kind of a hot take that Alex Caruso is the third best player, third most important on OKC here. OKC, take a listen. When I look at this OKC team, I actually think the third most important player is Alex Caruso. I think Caruso is so important to what they think.

doing, I feel like you never game plan for him. So because you don't game plan for him, he come into these finals and he'd go crazy. But the reality is, he's a champion. So he actually knows what they expect. Yeah, Caruso's always been a little under

value. I think smart people in the league, I think they kind of stole him from Chicago. I think he's a good player. Yeah, Chicago management needs a little J&C consulting. I mean, how do you give away Alex Caruso for Josh Giddy? Caruso's been instrumental Look at the numbers here in the playoffs.

He's been tremendous. Remember, he guarded Yokic in, was it Game 7, I believe? Yeah. Game 7 kind of messed with Yokic. I will say, as a guy who fashions himself a defender, Caruso gets away with murder. I mean, he is all over guys in their jerseys, and somehow it's really never called. I'll say this, Colin. I do believe game three is the series.

If O'KC wins, it's over. I do think, and I'm writing it up for Fox Sports, I think there's a case for Indiana winning game three. By the way, it's been over six months since the Pacers have lost back-to-back games. This is a great spot for them coming home, fired up. You know the crowd's going to be juiced up. Is it too early for a prediction game is tomorrow? Yeah, I mean, I guess my problem with Indiana is that they, I mean, Milwaukee couldn't take them out of their pace. Cleveland couldn't.

The Knicks couldn't. They could not. Nick's did for about a game. and Oklahoma City has taken Halliburton and them out of their rhythm. And this is what great defenses do. I remember Peyton Manning faced the Seahawks. I was saying the other day that this OKC reminds me a little of the Seahawks where they've got, you know, they've got an offensive star.

But that team, I remember when Brady was competing and beat, eventually beat the Seahawks in the Super Bowl, and Brady talked about the game plan to face the Seahawks defense. He goes, when we catch the ball, you only move forward. that Belichick said you don't go sideline to sideline. A, they're faster than us, and B, they'll strip us of the football, create turnovers. This defense is the kind of defense that it is taking a great, fast-paced offense out of its rhythm. Milwaukee Cleveland Knicks could not do that.

And Oklahoma City's done it in back-to-back games. That tells me they have personnel advantages. Yeah, I think you had the stat. The Pacers have led for like three, two or three minutes in the series so far. That's not great. Not great. All right, let's move to the NFL, Collin, with Aratas. The irrelevant Raiders have a lot of promises season, finally. They got old guy Pete Carroll head coach.

You got veteran, Gino Smith, and of course, Ashton Gentie, so the offense will be better. They play in the toughest division of football, but Pete Carroll believes Vegas is ready to compete right away. It warms my heart to see that we're having fun and we're working really hard. You can tell that they can sense that there's something changing. So a lot of expectations for us. we're going for it. We're not holding back. We're not looking for any. Give us some grace period or any of that kind of stuff. That's not how we're going about this.

You don't want to go get it right now. And I think the players feel that sense of urgency, and they're showing it by the way they practice. I think this one of the single greatest strengths of the NFL, it is the League of Hope, is that you can watch what Denver did. Denver was a lifeless franchise, Peyton Bow Nicks playoff team in the Mahomes division, in the Harbaugh division, in the Herbert division, and the Andy Reed. division. And you look at what Washington did. A laughing stock for a decade. Only the Jets can't dig themselves out of a hole. The reality is this league is built on Houston being awful and a

playoff team in a year. I said this last year about Minnesota. If Minnesota was picked for fourth, I said they'll be the best fourth place team ever. The Raiders, if they finish fourth, and I think they will, will be as good a fourth place team. I think it speaks well to the NFL. The team's now at the bottom of some of these divisions, the Raiders had Kansas City beat twice last year, and no team in the league has upgraded their coaching staff more than the Raiders, and you could argue, their quarterback position. I'm not calling it. If it wasn't for the fact that Harbaugh, Andy Reed, and Sean Payton are in the division,

I would have no problem saying in any other division, Raiders make the playoffs. I really think they're close. I think some of that last year, Chiefs were big favorites in both those games, is you go and you're playing the Raiders. They stink. They don't know the quarterback situation. And they kind of let their guard down and the Raiders play them tough.

But I did look at the schedule, Colin, for the Raiders. And you can have all the excitement you want. Right out of the gate, you cross-country trips to New England and Vrable. He's going to have them game playing. Drake May is stepping up. Then you face the Chargers.

It is at home, but the Chargers, they're better. Then you've got to go back across the country to face Washington and Jaden Daniels. Then you're back home for your boy, Caleb, and Ben Johnson, then there's a bit of a respite, and that game at Kansas City

before the buy week is big. If they can somehow get to the buy at, is three and four doable if we give them the wins over the Colton Titans? Oh, first of all, at Drake May. We don't know what New England is. Chargers.

New England is a playoff team. It's a rival. Yeah, that doesn't mean they're going to win their opener. I mean, it's a whole new staff. It's a whole new roster. There's no roster in the NFL. that has more changes than the Patriots.

They're not going to be great in September. The Chargers is a rivalry division game. Washington's a loss. But we don't know what the Bears, Indian Tennessee are. And Kansas City, I have as a wild card team. Then out of the buy, I get Jacksonville. Wait, wait. Dallas, Cleveland.

That is a play. That is not a daunting schedule at all. Real? Okay. All right. Somebody's a Raiders fan around here. Oh, my God. I was getting worried. Holy cow. So do you have anyone in the division missing the playoffs, Colin?

Yeah, the Raiders. But if you're trying to sell me, I look at that and I see at Washington and at Philly, those are L's. Every other game on that schedule. I'm sorry, but at Casey, at Denver at the Chargers, those are winnable division games. Somebody on the Internet's going to clip this off and throw it at you in there two and nine. Final story, Colin, is let's go to those New England Patriots, who you're bullish on, but weirdly not in week one. It sounds like Drake May is starting to find his groove in the Josh McDaniels offense. May talked to the media about how things are going so far.

I think it's been good. I think I'm starting to kind of really kind of find a strive. I'm kind of bummed out. We're about to leave. But no, it's funny. Anytime we're going against a great defense, they've got good players. Two great corners. This year is, you know, same approach.

You've got new guys in here, new staff. You've got to keep on getting to know everybody, kind of show my work ethic. And then kind of from there, as the season comes around, try to take it. a next step of leadership and leading the offense and hopefully leading this football team. Colin, they'll be good eventually. I would be the biggest Drake May fan if he were on any team other than New England.

You know, I hate the Patriots. And May, I'm just telling you, remember after the draft, I was like, listen, Drake May, I would take him over Jane Daniels and that looked stupid for a minute. Then May comes on as like, oh, he's kind of good. Would not shock me if May, like you said, got the Patriots to the playoffs.

He's very good, man. You know this guy's family. you know, North Carolina, he has a brother who played hoops. Like, this guy is a football lifer. His comp with Justin Herbert, I thought, was a really accurate comp. He's a good player. I think he's going to be really good. I really do. I think the

NFL last year, we may, that draft that had Drake May and Jaden and Caleb and Bow Nix and Michael Pennix, that if J.J. McCarthy works to some level, we could have a six-for-six draft with quarterbacks.

Whoa. Whoa. Penix? Penix is working? They got played three games. Panic's going to be fun. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News. Oh, interesting.

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So we have a piece of video from Shadur Sanders. Let's roll the tape on this. I am told it looks a little like Johnny Unitas meets Joe Montana. Look at that deep ball. My Lord, in a heavy, gusty wind, it pierces the Ohio weather.

Here's another one over the middle. You don't see any Dylan Gabriel. video, you're just seeing lots of Shadour, look at that, second team scrub wide receiver barely gets open and he places that cookie right in the jar. J-Mack, what do you got to say for yourself?

I'm just saying. You know, I had to look up that cornerback. It turns out he works at Chipotle and he's trying to make the Browns. So that's who Shadur Sanders is cooking in secondary. Time out. Now, my staff just sent these numbers. Are those today's? Stop. Okay, listen to this.

Okay, listen to this. So take Flacco out. He didn't play. Dylan Gabriel went 7 of 18. Oh, no. Kenny Pickett went 6 of 10, which sums up his career. Shadoor Sanders, 10 of 12, two touchdowns, no picks. He keeps putting these numbers up at OTA and mandatory camp.

I'm sorry, but he's exactly what he was in college. Accurate. Shadour Sanders, 10 of 12, two touchdown. Now, last week when he was good, it was like, well, it's OTAs. I get it, I get it, but he was accurate. So here are the Browns quarterbacks minicamp today. Who's got the best numbers again? Shador Sanders.

You need the context. The Shadur was playing against backups and second stringers and Dylan Gabriel's with the ones. And I just need to remind people. I was pro-Shadour before the draft. And then the NFL basically rejected him all of the NFL. And he fell to the fifth round. and because of that, that's why I'm like, I don't think he's a starter. I don't dislike Shadour, Colin, but you have to admit, the entire NFL passed on him for a reason.

Okay, well, the entire NFL first round passed on Jalen Hertz. They make mistakes. There are guys that have been drafted. I mean, I wouldn't get too caught up on, will they make mistakes? There was his dad's Super Bowl tour saying, we're not playing for these teams directed right at the teams that we're going to draft. him. And owners in the NFL, it's an old boys club. They don't want to hear that you don't want to play for their team. So there were people that just said, I mean, when Dionne Sanders during Super Bowl week went on very popular shows and the message was, there are teams he will not play for.

He wasn't talking about the Bills, Ravens, and Chiefs, and Eagles. He was talking about the Saints and the Giants and the owners that would draft him. That's why, did you notice this after the Super Bowl. When Dion had his sort of parade through talk shows, did you notice after that Super Bowl, media week, the Jackson Dart is the apple

of the New York's Giants I started. Why? They're like, because probably ownership said, we're not interested. We're not taking him. And also there's the report that he went, you know, Shadur went to the Giants, wasn't great on the board. So my take is

I think it got personal. I think his dad was involved. I think there was a lot of stuff with Shadur that turned people off, and owners started getting involved in decision-making. All I'm saying is, if you look at these OTA and mini-camp numbers, Dylan Gabriel's inaccurate. Kenny Pickett is Kenny Pickett. Flacko's not doing much because it's his job to lose,

and Shadour Sanders continues to have the best numbers. Here's Albert Breer on the Browns quarterback race. It's really hard when you look. at the early part of their schedule, unless they're a lot better than they were last year, for them to be coming out of that in a real position of strengths. And so I do think Joe Flacco is likely going to be the week one starter. Joe Flacco has been great in the building. He's been great for that quarterback room. He's been great for the young quarterbacks. I think you'll hear Shador and Dylan Gabriel talk about him that way when the media talks to him this week. So I think

Joe is going to get a shot. And I think, you know, if Joe looks good in July and August. Then you'll see the team behind him. And then you get in September, September. And his ability to hold on to that job won't just be about his own play. It'll be about where the team is. The Browns probably, fairly, have the weakest receiving core in the league. So Shador is working with their second team receivers. Their first team receivers are the weakest unit in the league. I mean, I don't think that's taken a shot. It's a bad receiving unit. it. Shador's getting the second.

He's getting the leftovers, and he goes 10 for 12. All right. So I have a comp for you, Colin. Are you ready? It was a gentleman named Lonzo Ball, who was an acclaimed college basketball player for a minute. Then he goes to the draft. His dad was piping up. Do you remember, I had to look this up in Summer League with the Lakers.

Lonzo Ball had a game where he had 36, 11, and 8 against the Sixers. Oh, he's the future of the NBA. Lonzo Ball is going to crush it. and he came out and was like, you know, squashed like a bug as a rookie and he clearly could not play. I wonder if there's a parallel with this OTA nonsense where Sjour's cooking and Lanzo Ball in Summerlin. Okay. All-time most accurate college quarterback was Sador Sanders with a 74% completion rate. Shador's total stats from OTAs in today's minicamp, 26 of 35, 74% completion rate.

eight touchdowns one pick he is exactly as a pro o tain minicamp what he was the college player 26 of 35 eight touchdowns one pick and it's not getting reps with the first team okay all i'm saying is you can keep telling me something i keep getting this video with these lasers piercing the air in ohio that muggy difficult air to throw in all i see is like it's like watching the movie Star Wars. Just lasers. Hey guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin.

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