The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - The ascension of Jordan Love

Episode Date: February 29, 2024

Colin looks at Jordan Love's ascension at the end of last season and tells you where he ranks among top QBs in the NFL right now Looking at the top prospects entering the NFL draft   Guest: Lance ZierleinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We're going at the bottom of the hour to the NFL Combine. Guys starting to run 40s. Guys starting to percolate. Story starts. to percolate. P.S., could you outrun Tom? Could you best Tom Brady's 40 times? I saw Tom Brady ran like a 5-28

out of Michigan. And people laugh at that. And he just, a couple days ago, he ran a 5-1-8 at like 47 years old, but he's in good shape. But the only thing I could do was run. So I ran a 4-7 in high school. I know you guys are all laughing. A 4-7-40?

Yeah. That's not bad? On grass. On a cruddy grass. So I could run. Okay. Yeah, I was I could run. I was like, you know, 50 years?

Not 50, like 20, 30, 4 years. Some math struggles early. 50 years ago. Yes, we had just gotten colored TV. How did they tie that with a sundial? No, it was they had a coach bridge, Steve Bridge, did it, and I got a 4-7. I think he was surprised. Could I run a 4-6 next week if you time?

No way. Could I run a 4-7 next? Not a chance. So I am long, so I had long legs. I'm fast, so I'm fast. All right. You claim you're a lot of things. I have yet to see any of them.

So I saw this story, the Packers, there's a story today that, you know, and I see this all the time. Everybody in the media wants to pay everybody. Jordan Love has a year left on his deal. Just let him play. I like Jordan Love. I don't love him yet because I don't know. Now I do. My hunch is these young receivers.

is these young receivers and these young tight ends in Green Bay are terrific. They always have good old lines. They draft and develop at a high level. I think he's going to be really good. I think they found their guy. That's my hunch. But now every defensive coordinator, as I see this headline today, Packers need to sign Jordan Love to an extension sooner than later.

They're going to have to pay him either way. I mean, unless you think he's going to tank, I don't, because all those young receivers and tight ends are going to get better. Lefleur, Aaron Jones. I think they found their guy. let him play through the rest of the season. Defensive coordinators all have film now. So I think C.J. Stroud may pull back a little, and I like him a lot.

Everybody's got film. So I think from weeks three to 17, there was about a 9, 10, you know, 11 week stretch or whatever it was. Probably 9 or 10 weeks. I think Jordan Love really popped. I think a lot of it's Matt LaFleur. Let's be honest, not a lot of great defenses in the NFC. The best defenses were Kansas City and Baltimore and Buffalo. A lot of the best teams in the NFL.

NFC, even the Niners' defense wasn't as good. They played in the division. Lions' defense stunk. Bears' defense was better at the end, but not great. Vikings' defense was mediocre. Let's look at the Packers' schedule. Let's see who they play. Let's see the defenses.

Everybody's got film. And I, you know, Jordan Love, there's two quarterbacks in the NFL that I really want to watch this year. If I had to say, here, my top 10 quarterbacks in the league. And I don't know if the order is perfect, but it's somewhere around this. I would put Mahomes one, Josh. Shallen 2. Burroughs injuries concern me but three. Lamar Jackson, who I think's remarkable, hasn't had the playoff success four. Matt Stafford, five. He can be a tad reckless, but five.

Everybody I talked to in the league loves Justin Herbert, six. I'm a Trevor Lawrence fan, so I'd put him at 7. He was hurt last year. That's why he regressed. He was bad. I would put Jared Gough at 8, most underrated player in the league. You know I'm a huge fan of Kyler Murray. Aaron Rogers at 10, bad O line, off an Achilles surgery. I think C.J. Stroud's going to be good. Is it possible now that everybody has film, and now he becomes sign of a guy, everybody targets, 11, Dak Press got at about 12. And then there's two guys in the league that I think I see a remarkably high ceiling,

but I don't know, Jalen Hertz and Jordan Love. Three years of Jalen Hertz. Eh, great, eh. Last year he was a turnover machine. Is he great or is it Shane Steichen? I don't know. Is he greater? Is it without Shane Stike in year one and three?

Jalen Hertz is average. I think he's good. But we may have just seen great coach, perfect fit for Jalen Hertz. I think he'll get in the 12. And Jordan loves the other player. I think he'll get in the 12. That division and the NFC does not have great defenses. I mean, what's the best defense in the NFC?

Like people were talking about Dallas's defense. it got destroyed by Green Bay and destroyed by San Francisco. What about San Francisco's defense? Kyle Shanahan had to fire the defensive coordinator. How great was it? So my take is everybody's in a rush to pay everybody. Jordan Love's got a year left. They're going to have to pay them either way.

But let's give me about seven, eight more games. Let me see against the best teams. And I feel the same way with Jalen Hertz. With Brock Purdy, I think I've seen the ceiling, and it's pretty good. But I think Jordan Love and Jalen Hertz, I've seen like, wow stuff. Like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. That's top six, seven stuff in the league. But with Jalen Hertz after this turnover plague season, he didn't look very good from the pocket.

Greg Kosell talked about it. He didn't look very good from the pocket. Now, I know you're saying Tua. I have Tua right outside the top 12. I don't think Tua can throw the ball down the field when it gets windy or wet. I think everybody on my list beyond Tua can. So I don't see a special athlete with Tua. I don't see a big arm with Tua.

I watched him in Kansas City when it was windy. He could not throw the ball down the field. I think Tua is more about the weapons and the coach than Tua. He's fine. I get it. Here's the other thing I saw. This was interesting. So 1,700 players voted.

1,700 players in the NFL voted on, they gave grades to owner. and facilities and coaches and blah, blah, blah. So what was interesting is how good the grades were by NFL players for the coaches. So three coaches got an A-plus. Andy Reed, Kevin Stefansky, Dan Campbell. Nine coaches, including Frank Reich, got an A. Seven got an A-minus. So 65% of the players in the league, there were only three head coaches worse than a B-minus.

Now, think about that. For some reason, I don't necessarily know why, never really thought about it, but this did kind of make me think about it this morning. Are football players conditioned to like their coach? Because NBA guys, all they do is blame their coach. Steve Kerr, best coach in the league, maybe. He and KD. at odds. Eric Spolstra, maybe he's the best coach in the league. He and LeBron at odds.

Pop, maybe he's the best coach in the league. He and Kauai were at odds. Kyrie once said, Irving, I don't even need a coach. Basketball culture is different. If you don't get your shots, you don't like the coach. Adrian Griffin was 30 and 13 in Milwaukee, and they let him go.

David Blatt in Cleveland, 30 and 11 number one seed. LeBron didn't like him. The Sixers fired Doc River. He won almost twice as many games as he lost. The Bucks were the number one seed last season. They fired Boodenholzer in the offseason. Dwayne Casey was head coach of the year.

Head coach of the year in Toronto. They fired him in the off season one year. So, I mean, yet in the NFL, only three coaches with 1,700 players, were worse than a B-minus. B-minus pretty good grade. So in Chicago, Matt Eberflus is 10 and 24. Star receiver DJ Moore. I want that guy back.

So it's just different. The basketball culture is I get my shots and looks or blame the coach. For some reason, I don't know what it is. Football players tend to be more conditioned to like their coach. And what's interesting is that basketball coaches in the NBA virtually never yell at players. That's a no-no. Football coaches bark at players. and yet that tough coaching draws them closer.

Isn't that interesting? I mean, football coaches use volume all the time. You're watching this dynasty on Apple TV. I mean, Belichick dog cusses star players constantly. Andy Reid is known as the last NFL coach that practices hard. They practice in that summer heat hard in Kansas City. They keep the shells on. They hit.

Andy barks. players bark back at Andy Reed. Mahomes has barked at him. Travis Kelsey's barked at him. People bark at Andy. He barks back. He got an A-plus. NBA coaches,

Cottle players. Maybe they shouldn't. It is interesting, right? It's the tough love thing. If a coach barks, at least he shows he cares. But football coaches all over the land. College Pro High School bark,

bark, loud, volume. Football players love their coaches. Basketball stars can't stand theirs. Number one seats, fired. Coach of the year, fired. Look at Milwaukee now. They had a coach. They were winning.

They got rid of him. It's weird, right? It's different. Well, I think the majority of NBA rosters make more than the coach. In the NFL, you know, massive rosters, not that many guys make more money than the coach.

so the coach feels like I'm bigger than everyone. Well, I mean, Matt Stafford and Aaron Donald and Cooper Cup all make more than McVeigh and they all love McVey. Well, come on. Those are like superstars. Let's go out of little kids too. Kittle makes more. Christian McCaffrey makes more. No, go to the dog cussing guy, Bill Belichick.

Well, I mean, it lasted Gronk and Brady and Edelman and these guys were making more than Bill in their prime. Edelman did sit here and say Bill did not want to pay him. And like, you know, he, Bill, when you win multiple Super Bowl. You could call the shots. You can do whatever. He sits on this couch and still calls him coach. Football coaches bark. You don't get the money you want in football.

You have to hit in practice. You have to play hurt. Football coaches demand a lot from their players, and yet players love them. You find me an NBA coach barking at a player, holding him accountable. It's very rare. You are on eggshells constantly.

Take Darwin Ham with the Lakers. Who's he going to bark at? What is Darwin Ham? done as a coach. Well, using a warrant that I can yell at LeBron or Anthony Davis or hell, even Austin Reeves. Okay, you say that.

What is he proven? Well, Dan Campbell got fired in Atlanta. What has he proven? You don't think he's going to bark during camp at Washington commanders? Why do you have to prove yourself? I mean, Dan Quinn, excuse me. Dan Quinn's going to, Dan Quinn barks.

But he went to a Super Bowl with the Falcons. And fired. I know, but he went to a Super Bowl. But you're saying that what is Darvinham dumb? Every coach in the NFL barks at players. and they don't all have Super Bowls. They don't all have massive resume.

It's a different cult. I don't know what the answer is. But in football, there's a, I mean, Randy Reid's a barker, and they bark back and forth at each other. They love Andy Reid. Mike Tomlin suffers no fools in Pittsburgh. He calls his guys out, and they love him. Well, nobody, Mike Tomlin's bulletproof.

You say anything to him. He's like, I've never had a losing record. Well, next what do you got? Mike Brable's players. Sean Payton's. You say what you want about Russell Wilson. Saints players loved him. He is loud.

Football coaches, whether you have a great resume or not, they bark. Find me a guy without a great resume who barks and gets away with it and isn't fired in two or three years. Like Sala was a big volume guy on the 49er sideline. Remember a fiery? I don't want to say he's been neutered with the jets, but you don't see a lot of that fire like you used to in San Fran. You can't when you're like winning four or five, six games a year. Well, first of all, you've got to dial it back. You can't yell it guys.

It doesn't matter if you yell or not. If you win four games a year, you're fired. That yelling has nothing to do with it. You can't. Iber Fluse, if he starts out two and five, he's one of the nicest guys in the league. He's gone. NFL, you've got to win games. It's not about barking or not barking.

Guys bark all the time. Coordinators bark. Everybody, you know, I mean, McVeigh's not known as that. Shanahan can get surly. Andy Reed can be tough. But football, the, the, the, culture in football is we allow that. We're okay with it. Players are good with it. I mean, Brady is a great example. He took it for 20 years. Now, at the end, he was exhausted, but he never pushed back. Well, you're winning. You're winning Super Bowls every third year. It's a big deal. Like, I'll take the barking. We're going to win titles. What about all the coaches in the NBA number one seeds? They won two. Coach of the year, fire. Who was the head coach who won with the bucks and was already jettison?

Yeah. You got run off. Won a title. run on. Keep winning. Belichick won for 20 years. I want to see consistent winning. Pat Riley, you embark all he wants is winning with the lake. Titles before KD. At odds. LeBron Spolstra, odds.

Kauai and Pop. It's a different balling. The Kauai one is one of the more interesting ones we've ever seen. He was injured and Popovich is like he's running through the five on five in practice. Then he doesn't want to play and they're taking shots because he's upset. You don't think there's any difference between the cultures? No, there's definitely a difference.

Find me the last coach of the year in the NFL. Kevin Stefanski, would you be surprised if he got fired in two weeks? I would. Yes, I'd be stunned. Dwayne Casey, coach of the year fired a couple weeks later. What in the world would we say if Kevin Stefanski got fired? We'd be like, was there something like, was there some like totally inappropriate something in the front office?

So I guess NBA is a players league, right? Well, it's been a players league forever. But my takeaway is. one of the few NBA coaches that is confrontational Ty Lou with the Clippers. He's confrontational. Players like him. Why? Because he's confrontational.

Men, respect men who ignore passive aggressive doesn't work for most successful guys. You don't like me, yell at me. If my boss is mad at me, yell at me. Get in my face. I'll yell at you. Be confrontational. This NBA coaches are passive aggressive, they're quiet, there's leaks. Tai Lu is hard on guys. Confrontational. He's really liked.

I'm saying there's room for it in the NBA? As long as your owner's like, listen, he's got a five-year deal. I'm not letting go. Owners, I think, caved to players. Adrian Griffin, top seed. Off to a great start. They cave. And literally hire a broadcaster.

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So it's interesting. You know Lance the way. this works, it's a bit of a copycat league. So Bryce Young is kind of small and thin, and people now look at him and C.J. Stroud and go, well, the bigger, stronger quarterback is better. And so then I see J.J. McCarthy,

who is 6.3, 200 pounds, and I think, my takeaway is he's kind of thin. It doesn't appear to be, according to some of the mock drafts I'm seeing, affecting him. But it is a concern for me. I did a

the other day. I went to the smaller quarterbacks last seven or eight drafts or thin quarterbacks, Bryce Young, Josh Rosen, Baker Mayfield, Johnny Mansell. A lot of them has not panned out. So is J.J. McCarthy's sort of slender, 200-pound

6-3 body? Is that a legitimate concern? Are you hearing that? I think it's a legitimate concern as it pertains to anything that could put him in harm's way. I mean, you know, what was interesting is we had a draft last year with Tankdale getting drafted in the third round at 163 pounds.

Everyone around football knew Bryce Young was not 204 pounds like he tested at the combine. That was all additional weight at his pro day, wouldn't weigh again. So he's a sub-200-pound quarterback. But we're dealing now, Colin, with a lot of outliers. It's really changing a lot of these cornerbacks in this year's class. And I'm talking about talented guys or in the low 170s up to the low 180s. used to be really unheard of so Xavier worthy is going to probably check in in the 160s as well so we're dealing with a lot of outliers and I think teams are more

willing to to work with the 200 pound quarterback a 205 pound quarterback because the need for quarterback and the need for explosive playmakers outweighs currently no pun intended the weight but it's other positions you know they won't relent with those size standards but now with offensive playmakers it looks like at least for now they're willing to relent a little bit and see what happens. So Caleb Williams, there has been people that I respect have come out and said, and I heard this a little bit with Mahomes early. He leans into the spectacular.

He doesn't take the hitch, the hot pattern, the easy stuff. Now, I think we'd both agree. Mahomes has gotten great at that. He's really reduced his air yards. I mean, he'll take anything underneath, and a lot of it was taken away by different coverages. But is that a legitimate? I feel like it's a legitimate concern is that, and now he didn't play with many great players at SC. Jordan Addison, and that's about it.

Did he, does he, in your opinion, can he be a little too concerned with great and not as concerned about hit the easy stuff? I think that you nailed it. I think that's 100% his issue. And it showed up last year, too. I was expecting something different. And it's kind of what he's developed into at USC. I think once you get good at extending plays and making. making plays and make no mistake about it.

He looks to beat you with his arm when he exits a pocket. But the thing that really bother me a lot this year was that the hero ball just happened way too often. He's pulling it off schedule when he didn't need to, not throwing a six-yarder and letting the, you know, on third and eight, not throwing a six-yard shallow crosser and letting the wide receiver try to get it. And Colin, I talked to a team about that,

and I said, how concerned are you? And this team needs quarterback. And they said, you know, it's not as big a concern when you look at the fact that a lot of quarterback coaches can coach that out of a player and they can get them to trust in it when you have better offensive line talent than USC had and frankly better separators at wide receivers. So I don't think teams are real worried about it, but it does show up a lot on tape. But Pat Mahomes did that at Texas Tech and has, as you mentioned,

he's kind of limited when he goes off schedule and when he stays on schedule. So there's three different receivers. I like Harris and the best at Ohio State. I saw Roma Dundze play in person. He's a big play receiver, Malik Neighbors, LSU. I heard somebody the other day say, they don't have Harrison as the number one. I think it's crazy. I think he falls into that Randy Moss, Calvin Johnson.

He just looks different. I think Jemar Chase felt like that. It's like, oh, I'm watching a pro. He's just playing on Saturdays. Is there a gap between those receivers? What are you hearing? I don't think there is, and I'm hearing there's not as much. It's, you know, so I have Malik Neighbors as my number one player in the draft,

and literally, like, just a fraction behind him is Marvin Harrison Jr. And look, you're right. Marvin Harrison, Jr. is more polished. There's nothing wrong with Marvin Harrison, Jr. I basically have he and Malik Neighbors is clear-cut the one and two players in this draft, and you can substitute them either way. But I think the one difference is going to be, Neighbors has just ridiculous separation talent,

ridiculous three-level ability, has good size and can make great contested catches. is Marvin Harrison, you could say the same thing about him, and I think he's a better route runner, but I think from an explosion standpoint, maybe neighbors projects a little bit higher, but I don't really get caught up in one versus two when you're talking about such high grades on two players. And Dunezai, to me, is just a level below that,

and yet better than, you know, many of the offensive linemen in this draft. I mean, to me, Romodunzee is, checks in it like the fifth best player in this draft, and then Jaden Daniels would be six. So it's a special draft for wide receivers in the top three, and then it turns into a depth run in the second and third round, in my opinion. So we've had great players, Dan Marino, Aaron Rogers, who have dropped in the draft. A lot of guys get overdrafted.

It's rare when a great talent gets underdrafted. Marino, there was some off-field stuff that didn't turn out. I don't think to be true. Aaron, I don't know what it was. Somebody saw something they didn't like. I look at Drake May. And I watched him about three times, and I got a different version every time. I don't think they ran an incredibly sophisticated system.

It feels like Justin Herbert, where he could actually, in the NFL, if he got like Cliff Kingsbury, and those receivers in Washington, he may pop. Or he may not. If I said there's going to be a guy, and Lance, you're so good at this, a guy that drops out of the lottery, drops out of the top 10-12. Is there a guy to you that I worry about? So last year that was Will Levis. This year would be Drake May.

I've got a boom-bust grade on my 6.5 on my scouting reports on our grades. And it's because of the things you mentioned, Colin. I know you watch these guys and usually are pretty educated on the quarterback stuff. It's exactly what you're saying. I mean, the traits and the talent are unmistakable. They're high-end. The consistency, he has great energy on the field, but sometimes it turns chaotic. and that's he hasn't really learned to harness it he throws it 150 miles an hour on short

throw like touch a ball placement on intermediate throws the things that i want to see from an NFL quarterback it's not always there so the boom stuff is all with the physical elements like with josh allen that we saw but the bust is can he can he put a little more woe into it you'd much rather say woe than go with the quarterback and and he is a guy you may need to rain in a little bit and become a little bit uh a little bit little bit more of a finesse pass or at least add a little bit of finesse to his game. But the talent is unmistakable. But I just wonder if a team, think about this for a second.

Cliff Kingsbury, I was thinking about this. He had Johnny Mansell. Johnny's best year was at Texas A&M with Cleef Kingsbury. Then in the NFL, he goes and hands, handpicks another dual threat quarterback and Kyler Murray. I kind of wonder if Cliff has figured out that you need to have a quarterback who can run and pass. If that's the case, then Jaden Daniels will be the second pick.

I remember last year, because I follow you religiously, your C.J. Stroud great. I thought it was a great comp. You said C.J. Stroud is Jared Goff. And my take was, well, I love Jared Goff. So that's a good player. And then I saw him against Georgia. I saw C.J. Stroud run. And I was like, well, okay, that's a little.

If he's, if he's Jared Goff with mobility. But I didn't see a ton of juice because Ohio State's got such gifted athletes everywhere. like, is it going to be another, you know, a Buckeye quarterback, and then it was more the players and the coach. And then I watched him, and by the second week this year, it was like, wow, wow. You do a show in Houston. You said he was golf. Were you shocked, or is this kind of what you saw just sooner than you thought you'd see it?

So I had a lot of people reach out to me when you talked about this previously, and I think people sometimes mistake what my comps are meant to be. They're not meant to be who you're going to be, like what's your ultimate landing spot is. It really was golf based on the fact, and I'll say exactly what it was. I start with size, and they have similar size. That's the first thing I start with. But the other thing was, a lot of people don't realize golf was terrifically accurate. Yes. And he threw people open. And he wasn't a big scrambling guy. And so for me, I said from the very beginning, this is the, this is absolutely a phenomenal. And elite accuracy quarterback who throws players open. So from the way he played, other than the Georgia

game, I thought it was golf. And to this day, I still think there's some elements. It was not meant to be the landing spot like he'll never be better than golf. I think the way it was really a compliment based on this guy knows how to throw the football and has a great fill. Now, you're right, the Georgia game was phenomenal last year. That was high-end stuff. And the regular season was good, like you talked about. Michael Pinnock's is that guy. this year who had a game against Texas that was the best game that I saw a quarterback played this year. And yet, I don't know that that's who he's going to be.

Like, I've got him with a second round grade. I know the injuries are concerned. But, boy, when you flash against really talented teams, like, you can't pay attention to that stuff because look what happened with C.J. Stroud. Oh, and also Justin Herbert against one of the better Wisconsin defenses in a decade. And you're like, I had two GMs that were at the game. They're like, they completely thought differently about Justin Herbert on the field against Wisconsin. So let's go to Pinnix.

So I made this argument. Lance Erline joining us for our radio audience. He's been doing this for years. He's a draft analyst. NFL.com. He's sensational. Also a very talented radio guy in Houston. So I watched Pennix play live. And I somebody said this to me and I just, I think I stole it. I said he's a bigger Tua.

But my take is, let's say he comes in with injury history. And he gets hurt year four. Lance, what I don't want to be in the NFL is chaotic at quarterback. If I get four good two a year's out of him, two is going to sign a huge deal. I don't know if he's going to be able to get through it physically. I mean, isn't panics talented enough that if you're a team needing a quarterback, so what if he lasts three and a half years?

He gets you out of the dungeon, doesn't he? Yeah, but I mean, Colin, this is the thing. When you draft quarterback, you know, and you think you've got it right, you want it to last forever. And the problem with Michael Pinnock's is four consecutive years of season-ending injuries. Now, he's been healthy at Washington. He was limping off the last game. I mean, he got crushed by, and he was a tough guy, but he got crushed by Michigan.

And I think the concern you have with that injury history is 25-year-old rookie coming into the league, he's got four season-ending injuries during his six-year career. Yeah, you have to ask some questions about how healthy is he going to be during the season. and what you don't want to do is get through first contract and then have a tough decision to make on second contract based on how much they're spending now if you don't really believe in him and believe that he's going to be available. I think that's what Miami's dealing with right now

is Tua going to be available all the time because the money they're getting ready to pay is extensive and it has a big impact on how you build out the rest of your roster. So I think that's the number one thing that bothers me about Pinnix and he's not a great passer of the football outside of the pocket. The numbers, the metrics are really low. all the throws. And the NFL, if they know you can't throw off platform and you can't scramble and throw with accuracy, they will heat you up in the A-gaps all day long. So

you've got to be able to limit your tendencies and limit your glaring weaknesses or defensive coordinators will exploit it. Listen, Green Bay does quarterbacks right, and they sit them and they give them good offensive line and weapons. And I had a source, somebody in the league who's still a GM in the league didn't like Jordan Love at all. He thought he was wild and out of control, whatever. He looked pretty good like week five or week six through week 18. What was your grade on him? Do you remember?

Yeah, I had a second round grade on him. And for the reasons you talked about, he had a really good junior season. His last season, he lost a running back, two wide receivers, a head coach, and an offensive coordinator. And the next year, he just wasn't as good. Like, it was hard to get behind to take his senior season. I think there were some maturity issues as well that I heard about. So, yeah, I do remember my grade. it was like a 63, which is a second round grade.

And the reason is simple, he just didn't follow up his junior year with a strong senior year. And when that's your final year of college football, I mean, it's harder to project the first rounder there. And look, it took a while for him to pop, but just like Aaron Rogers, isn't it amazing the trajectory of Rogers to carve and love to Rogers? It's amazing how many similarities there are. Yeah, well, it's a very smart franchise who, you know, they've had their issues defensively, but they get offense right. They get old lines right. They always have a back. Big time.

Yep. And they always hire offensive coaches. I have so much respect for them. And you. Lance Zerlind. Great seeing you, my man. I'll be following you on NFL.com. Appreciate it.

Awesome. Thanks, Colin. Yeah, he'll lay it out. He'll give you, he'll go, he goes through everybody. He is my guy that I really, and there's some really good ones. Daniel Jeremiah is great. Matt Miller's great. There's a lot of guys that do excellent work.

You know I like my mock drafts. I know they're ridiculous. nobody's are right. I like everybody has something they like. That's my thing. Everybody's got something like you are bet college basketball guy. You literally are watching

Coastal Carolina face Mercer and you're like blowing off dinner with your beautiful wife to watch it. I'm mock draft guy. I did hit a five-team money line parlay last night in college hoops. It was crazy. But in all reality, he said some stuff about Drake May, Colin.

And I'm like, I get it. Drake May's not the perfect quarterback prospect. But let's run back the tape and see what these guys were saying about Patrick Mahomes coming out. Well, nobody knew Patrick. Nobody knows anything. Drake May's been talked about for a year. I mean, Patrick Mahomes, anybody that knew anything, suppressed the information because they didn't want anybody to know how good he was.

Come on. The draft pundits. I want to hear what Lance said about Patrick Mahomes and Daniel Jeremiah said about Patrick Mahomes. And the weird thing is we got two guys now come on this week. They don't like Drake May. Well, no, they don't really like anyone. I mean, Lance said his number one prospect is Malik neighbors. He's a great player.

Number one prospect in the draft. When the last time an LSU receiver didn't deliver? OBJ, Justin Jefferson, J-B-B-J, Justin Jefferson. LSU does wide receivers in corners. They are a factory. Sure. Top 10 pick. Number one prospect?

Well, that doesn't mean they're going to be a number one pick. He thinks he's their number one prospect. What's wrong with that? In the entire draft, you don't think that's a little wild? Malice neighbors? It's like Penn State and linebackers in the 70s. They were all good. I mean, Notre Dame, Michigan offensive linemen.

I mean, listen, I get it. It's easier to come on and pick knits. And then if anybody says, oh, I love this guy. He's an awesome prospect, blah, blah, blah. Then the goobers on the internet clip it and rip you, which is fine. Some people are afraid of that. I'm not afraid of the smoke. Well, you're very courageous.

But like, it just feels weird that people don't like so many quarterbacks in this draft. Well, only 50% hit in the first round. I mean, I'm being close. Lance is sharp. I don't like this haters stuff. Like, let's start saying positive stuff. Oh, you know what? Then do local radio.

Yay. Our three and nine team is the best. Listen, you got Washington taking Drake May. You got Washington win in the division. You like Drake May. More than they do. I love them. Don't give me this, let's do positive stuff.

We're not a PR firm here. Anybody can come out here and crap on college football players. You can anybody can do it. crapping on them. Once you leave college, it's Big Boy territory. Yeah. We don't crapping them during the season, but once Baker graduated college,

got to put the adult hat on. You know what? I'm still salty that you didn't have Brock Purdy a top 15 quarterback. I know. I watched the whole segment. I've jotted notes down. I've got notes for you on that. I'm not going to fire now. I got notes for you too. It rained. He couldn't hold the ball. There's my notes for you.

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and they felt he was rarely willing to listen to the locker room. Woo! It's over. He's not getting it. Come on. Well, I mean, again, I think it's easy. easier to be critical of Bill when you're losing. So, but I do think he did divide some of the room with how he handled the Mac Jones Bailey Zappy stuff, and it felt petty and small.

You know, it's okay. There are things that you can do years ago that you can't do now. It could be in radio, it could be in TV, it could be in coaching, it could be in tech. And I think the people that struggle to adapt are the ones that get in trouble. Yeah. And so Andy Reid is not a guy that struggles to adapt. Bill Belichick got more arrogance, struggles to adapt. So it could go all the way back to your childhood.

Some people are just they seek power, they get it, they don't budge, the late Bobby Knight. Like, this is who I am, I'm not going to change. Yeah, Bob, you probably should change. It's hurting your job prospects. And I think Belichick's like, this is what I do, this is who I am. When you watch the dynasty, he was so much more amenable to like talk and smile. And in his last 10 years in New England, it's not a lot. a fun guy. I mean, even Brady, the episodes

are being released, I think, today. Even Brady, who was his ally, who took pay cuts for him, was like, I'm done with this. We got to go and break bread occasionally and smile. So Bill demanded sacrifices constantly, and that's okay.

But when you're losing and you're demanding sacrifices and you're not willing to sacrifice, which Bill isn't, I want to coach who I want to coach, then it doesn't work. All right, let's get to a positive story. LeBron James, the greatest player in the history of basketball. 19 points in the fourth quarter outscored the paper clips by himself.

They were down 21, stormback to win. LeBron, 34 in the game. He's now 40 points away from scoring 40,000 in his illustrious career. What nice things do you want to say about LeBron James? Well, he's tremendous. Don't be a hater. Come on. Say nice stuff. I'm never a hater with him. But if you're telling me the bat, I don't count centers, because they have almost a genetic advantage if you're 7374.

So I'm not going to count Kareem, Shaq. The three best basketball players I've ever seen, no order. No order. Okay, I was waiting for it. Are LeBron Michael Magic. Magic over Jabar, huh? I said I'm not counting. Oh, that's right.

I am listening. Now, first of all, if you're 6'9, you're bigger by almost a foot than the average person. But I would say that take centers out and, you know, the three best players I've seen, why do we have to put everything in order? Can't we just say here are the three best basketball players? Magic LeBron Michael. Michael was the best pure score. Magic the best pure distributor.

Mike, LeBron, the best athlete and could do more things well than both. 100%. That's it. I can't disagree with any of that. Now, the third story here is kind of spicy. Spicy. It's just starting to pop on the internet. So obviously, Dame Lillard traded from Portland to Milwaukee this season.

And he has talked about his transition to Milwaukee. He's been there for five months now. Okay, you have hyped Milwaukee, Green Bay, Wisconsin is just an amazing place. My daughter went to Milwaukee, said it's way underrated. Here's Dame Lillard. Being away from my kids is tough. In Portland, my life was set up. So just leaving that behind alone is a lot.

It's definitely lonely because I'm a family guy. Go to practice, go home, watch boxing, play video games. Seriously, I don't have much of a life. But that's what comes from making a big boy decision. You've got to be down for that and figure it out. Now, Dave Lillard famously wanted to go to Miami very badly. He did. He would not be saying he's bored and lonely in Miami.

He would not. It's impossible to be bored and lonely in Miami. Well, especially the NBA is a winter league. So these Portland's and these Milwaukee's, you know, it gets dark really early. Is it 14 degrees there today? Well, it's cold. Whatever. Portland and Milwaukee are the same city. Basically the same.

Milwaukee's way colder. Come on. No, I mean, they're both wet northern cities that have a really popular NBA franchise. But he had that city on lockdown for like, you know, he was there his entire career. He knew Portland and Al could manufacture fun. Well, first of all, he's going through a divorce. So I've been, those are brutal. So I have great sympathy for people who go through some. It doesn't sound like it's new. I was reading about it.

You know, even the girlfriend had been living apart for a while, or the white. It's tough. Let's say they lose in the first or second round. Well, if they lose in the first round, I don't know why. Yonis just signed a contract. I have this feeling Yonis is not ending his career in Milwaukee. And if they lose in the first round, he has changed.

Remember, that team is old. Oh, yeah. If you don't win this year, they're not getting better. This is the year they've got to do it, and they're not close to Boston right now. NBA offseason, there's some stuff that's starting to bubble. up and it could get interesting. Now the playoffs are going to be huge. Listen, if the bucks flame out early...

I think Janus will say, if they lose early, I think Janus will go in and say, I'm moving, get the most you can. I really think that. Keep your eye on Golden State. Donovan Mitchell, Trey Young. Keep your eye and Golden State. Who are they trading? Dreymon and Clay? Wish we had time to talk about it. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news.

And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. Janice will not end his career in Milwaukee. That's my take. Could be a year. But listen, to your point, they're old. They lose first round. Read the tea leaves.

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