The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - The Dolphins might be rebuilding

Episode Date: July 3, 2025

Matt Rhule explains how experience in the NFL can help with the new chaotic landscape of college football. Senior NFL Reporter for TheMMQB.com, Albert Breer, talks TJ Watt contract situation, Dolphins "rebuild" and shark sightings! A gambling scandal in MLB, Lillard landing spots and more!   #2PROSSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and you can find us on hundreds of affiliates all across the country as we take you all the way up until noon eastern time, or excuse me, at 3 o'clock Eastern time, noon, specific here on FSR. So we opened up the show talking about the feel-good moment in Los Angeles with Clayton Kershaw getting strikeout 3,000, and then the reality of waking up and realizing you're also probably a Laker fan, which sucks. But again, you know, is what it is. That being said, we now turn over to somebody else in the world of football who knows a thing or two about dysfunction. That would be none other than Nebraska head coach Matt Rule. Your former teammate

at Penn State LaBar. You guys were real nice to him in practice, I'm sure. We had a good time with Matt. Matt was a special teams guy. He was a special situations person. Yeah, super, super intelligent football player. Again, I credit him with a lot of things that I learned as a freshman. I knew how to study film to a certain degree.

I knew how to take notes to a certain degree in high school. I had a pretty good program I had came from. but when I got to college, I realized very quickly how much of the educational part of football was involved in terms of the studying, being able to know what to look for, you know, being able to break down what it is that the offense is doing and how you need to apply that to you and your information and your notes. Matt Ruhle did an excellent job of sitting with me and us learning that, you know, my freshman year there was his last year there. But it turns out it translated into him being a really, really fine football coach as well through the year. He was talking with Greg McElroy on the Always College Football podcast, and he says that the experience in the NFL probably makes him more ready for what the new experience of college football is like. I think the biggest thing you learn when you're in the NFL is really evaluation.

You know, like before, you know, college football is like, yeah, I think he's a player that's off from us, take him. You get to the NFL, they're all good players. You know, it's just, hey, what's the financial value? We're really put on this person and put on this position. And every year in the NFL, you go to the agency, and you see teams walking away from the league of players because of their contract situation. So that was Matt Ruhle talking about the contractual similarities

now all of a sudden between the NFL and in college football. And it is, it does, I do wonder if, him having that time there in the league makes him more ready for it from that standpoint to where it's now not just your typical well do you want to go recruiting now the money aspect being brought into it maybe it makes those conversations and how he evaluates

players and what they can and can't do maybe it makes that a little bit more I guess a little bit more accustomed to him just based on that time he had in Carolina and the NFL I mean I would assume that that would be the reason why Bill Belichick went to North Carolina is that we are stepping into a brave new world of what the NFL represents

or excuse me what college football represents and you do have to figure out what the value is on the position, you know, on the skill level, on the influence. There are a lot of elements that are now in play. I would say it's probably a little bit more complex and a little bit more complicated than just looking at it

from the scope of what happens in the NFL other than you having to figure out how much to pay and evaluating based off of what the pay would be versus evaluating if I want to give this guy a scholarship if we want him to play on the field as a starter in one of the offensive or defensive groups versus special teams. It's just very different.

I think the reason why it would be more complex, Jonas, is from the standpoint of, of the transfer portal is what really to me makes it very interesting. We just had the conversation too long ago, not too long ago, about the suing. Now we had one university sue another university based upon taking, what is it, Miami took a player from Wisconsin. Wisconsin, okay? They felt like the player owed them, whatever it is, he owed them based off of the contract

that he's signed. So until elements like that get cleared up where the legalities of what's taking place at the college level and how that works and who you're you know, I guess basically who your rights belong to now, yes,

you do have an advantage over most likely college coaches because they don't understand most likely, you know, salary caps and free agency and how that all works. But there's still a learning curve that's there because of the lack of structure and the lack of established

rules on what the engagements are. What's a do, what's a don't, you know, what's breaking the rule, what isn't. There is a lot of gray area that still exists at the college level. And I think that it makes it very difficult for coaches and administrators like athletic directors. You know, you're talking about $20 million. I believe that they get yearly. but that's for all sports.

It's not just for one sport. So now you've got to figure out a salary cap, but you've got to figure out what that salary cap represents for all of your sports. I think Penn State has something like 800 plus student athletes in their school. So there's a lot that has to be figured out, but now you start to break it down by sport, and obviously you're hiring GMs,

you're hiring head of staffs that are now, you're now structuring the football programs more like proteins. And I would say that's probably where Matt Rule is probably talking about outside of just evaluation, having maybe somewhat of an advantage in terms of how he runs his team. And I would also say, based on his time in the NFL with Carolina, at least he's got a pretty good example of how not to do things. Because that place was a complete clown show.

And what he went through at Carolina, where David Tapper brings him in, there was some interest from the giants Matt Ruhle gets a seven-year deal from the Panthers then all of a sudden all the conversations the whispers start to start up that David Teper's getting involved he's meddling into

things he's one and Matt Ruhl even said before the season before he was fired listen I signed a seven year deal I was told by David Tep basically put David Teper on blast like hey I was told by the owner that I'm going to be given a significant

get a amount of time to get this thing sorted out. I'm working with that understanding going into all this and then, you know, however long it was later, then he was gone. I wonder if Matt Ruhle goes back to college with a better understanding of the salary cap, the structure, but also a better understanding of whatever I do, I don't want it to turn into what I came from in the NFL. Like he's got, he's got to be, I would imagine he draws from that experience of Exhibit A, how things could go sideways if you let it get out of control above you. You know what's interesting, interesting point to that is that when it's the pros,

people have no problem doing coverage and scrutinizing the dysfunction of ownership or of the front office. It almost seems as though that's what's going to eventually take shape and take hold at the college level. Probably, yeah. You've never really heard, like, oh, the dysfunctional. of the president of the university or the AD of the university or all those different things. So you'd have to assume in this brave new world of NIL and how things are being handled at the

college level that if you're dealing with a dysfunctional organization, university, front office, ADs, administrators, whatever it may be, if you're dealing with that type of dysfunction, I wonder will that become prevalent and will that create more pressure on the universities and how they're not only hiring their athletic directors, but ultimately how they're hiring the presidents and the people that administratively are running the school. It's almost like, now that money's involved, uh-oh.

Open season on everybody. Uh-oh. Like now that we know that people are getting paid players, admit it, now that we know all of that, everybody's going to be held to the same standard that you've seen from a professional level. You could play that. This is an academic institution game all you want.

You're going to find your academic institution ass out on the street looking for a job. You got to figure it out because that has been the cash cow for these universities for many, many moons. And if you mess that up now, because you don't, you know, it's always been really easy to minimize. Even like, I play for Joe Paterno. Joe minimized athletics. He minimized athletes because it was more about being. a student. It was more about education. It's like, ah, who

cares? We play the game. We win the game. We lose the game. But they got class on Monday. They got to turn in their papers. They got to get good grades. Like, it was always about academics. You see people minimize.

What if you made a mistake when you say? Hey, hey, I'll put you on the bus that I brought your ear on. Get them out of here. But here's my point. The point is that you cannot hide behind the moniker of this is a place in an institution of higher learning and education. You can't hide behind it. You certainly have to have it.

The prestige of going to a fine college and an institution of learning, higher learning, is very attractive. But make no mistake about it. You will not be in any position. as a head of school, president of the school, board of trustees, whatever it is, you are not in a place where you can minimize athletics and try to suppress what athletics represents to what the earning capacity of what it represents

to the university and in some cases to the state. You can't minimize it now because it is now being turned into a very, very pro-like approach. And now people are going to be in a very, very quick rush, a quick movement to try to figure out what the solutions are. What are even the positions, the appointment of new jobs that have to be created in order to be able to handle this? You're going to have capologists.

You're going to have to have GMs. You're going to have to have scouts. And they already have scouts. Mike Lombardi's Belichetian. Michael Lombardi's Belichick's GM. GM. College. There's a lot.

There's a lot. There is a lot here. And hearing what Matt Ruhle has to say, it's just the tip of the iceberg in terms of all of the conversations that are going to continue to come up and become like what are the main topics of conversations as it applies to this new world of what sports represent at the college level. Do you mean to tell me, as we sit here right now on the 3rd of July, 2025, that the term student athlete no longer means the same thing? No, it doesn't. It doesn't. Because you don't have to, everybody that understands going to college and playing the game, that was a politically correct way of expressing what you were as a scholarship player. you had to say it. I am a student athlete. And while it is still not a pay-for-play model in college,

it is still not pay-for-play. The one term that they have to get used to, and it's going to have to be embraced, and it's going to lead to a whole lot of different things, organizing unions and having union reps, and maybe it leads to collective bargaining agreements and all kinds of stuff like that is employee, is employee.

And that's what's going to be interesting. How quickly does the college level get to the place of where it is comfortable saying that these are employees? Meaning, if they are employees, you're talking about retirement, you're talking about insurance, all the things that come along with being an employee, They are going to have to figure for and they're going to have to have the resources and the funds to put towards those things.

Once it becomes a real thing that college athletes are not student athletes, just student athletes. They are students. They are athletes and they are employees. Once you get those three put together and the understanding of that is realized, realized. I'll speak for a living. Once the realization of that comes to fruition, there is going to be so many people, lawyers, you know, financial planners, you name it.

There's even private family offices, investors, major investors. They are now looking at the college space the same way that they're looking at the pro space. There are people that are actually trying to purchase the rights of the school outside of the Learfields and the playflies and stuff like that, there are actually private equity groups that are trying to purchase schools. In other words, what it is that the sports represents,

they're trying to purchase the rights to that so that they can use that as a place to place their money. This is a very deep rabbit hole that has been created, and I don't see the bottom of it. I don't see the bottom of it just yet. It's still just black. It's just darkness. You don't see the bottom.

Like, oh, there's the floor of this NIL. There's the floor of this new college world. You don't see it yet. There's still so much more to be defined. I mean, what does that look like for liability? You know, what type of lawsuits are going to come from, you know, the athletes that are playing? Like, what type of rights do they have? How does this impact Title IX?

Like, with women's involvement and them having fair opportunity to be treated equally. how do all of these things happen? Do you stay with the NCAA? How strong does the NCAA stay? There are a lot of different conversations, a lot of different lanes, a lot of different roads where all of these things have to be discussed

and have to be flushed out and established, and it isn't going to be anytime soon. And these athletes are tasked with trying to navigate it as athletes to a new space, and so are the coaches, and so are the administrators of these schools. It's the herd here, Fox Sports Radio, LeVarar Erington, Jonas Knox,

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LeVar Erington, Jonas Knox, in for Colin. Coming up here a little over 20 minutes from now. We've got ourselves another scandal in the world of sports. Just what we needed, exactly what we needed to get us through. That'll be yours here again, a little over 20 minutes from now on the herd. Right now, though, we welcome in Albert Breer, Amazon NFL on Prime Insider, Senior NFL Reporter, lead content strategist at the MMQB, get them on X at Albert Breer. and apparently live on the set of Jaws.

A.B., what's happening? Yeah, so anybody knows the beaches up here. We've had shark issues over the last decade or so. So, yeah, I was going to be with you guys live from my kid's surf lesson. I got canceled because there was a sin sighting at the beach. You were going to do with that. Now we're another beach, and hopefully my service holds up. So there's sharks swimming around at swim practice?

It's great white season. Yeah, I was actually just explaining this to Lee. It's actually really interesting. It's like 30 or 40 years ago, I can't remember one of it was, but there was like the Marine Wildlife Protection Act, right? This is like the 80s or 90s. And you know what that? Obviously, I did a lot of good, but it also created the explosion of certain populations.

So there was an explosion in the population of seals. And where the seals go, the sharks go to eat. And so the seals got pushed closer and closer to the shore. And so now the sharks are basically along the shore in New England. And so I'm talking like it's not just sand sharks. It's like bull sharks, like great whites aren't very far from the shore. They're all over the place up here. So you've got to be really careful.

Or just don't go in the water at all. I mean, that's just crazy. I mean, I've always, I like the sand. I love going in the water, right? I love going to the water. but I'm also like one of these guys who's like I mean I feel it's like this like this in the woods too to some degree I'm like that's their turf like so you better respect it you know what I mean yeah like I don't want to run into a bear in the woods no you don't I've come face to face with a bear before twice so I'm not doing any dumb cowboy stuff I'm out there that's yeah I appreciate you being smart that that is good speaking of being smart smart can I ask you this I've I've been hearing this rumor swirling around, circulating around.

Curious if you've heard it. I took a whole entire segment talking about it in hour one. The possibilities of a trade between the commanders and the Steelers, T.J. Watt, obviously, going to the commanders, they would be able to shore up and make their defensive front a super formidable defensive front, but it would cost them the services of Terry McLaurin. And if they were to do that, and I believe,

that there were draft, draft capital, draft picks involved with the trade as well, going from the commanders to the Steelers. If that were the case, my contention is, why not do it if you feel as though you're to the point now where getting rid of T.J. Watt a year early is better than getting rid of T.J. Y. a year late after a contract. And if we're going with a one and done with Aaron Rogers, why not add a player that actually definitively says you've made your offense better with your offseason moves versus you, it's a swapout. You know, pickings, D.K. Metcalfe, take your choice.

Maybe one makes you better. One doesn't. But if you add McLaurin to that, you have certainly given him an arsenal of weapons to be able to have success. It's a fascinating idea, LeVar, and I don't mind the idea of it. You know, I think in large part because it does kind of fit in with what the with what the Steelers have done this offseason in general. So it's not an awful idea.

I think with both the players, you know, you have to be confident you're going to get a deal done. And I think part of the hold-up in both the contracts is kind of where those guys are in their careers and they're in their 30s. And both teams, I mean, obviously, you guys know what Terry McCorn means the commanders

and you know what T.J. what means the Steelers, both from a playing standpoint, a leadership standpoint, all that different stuff, right? So, like, the only reason either of those teams would hesitate on paying them is age, right? And you're looking at both those guys that are on the wrong side of 30, and it's not, do I think you can play for me this year? It's like, what is this going to look like two years from now?

So, like, I think in both cases it would take the team, because I don't think, like, the contract issue is going to go away if you trade those guys, right? Like, those guys are still going to want, you know, to do, big contracts with their new teams. So is this a situation where the commanders feel more comfortable paying T.J. Watt and the Steelers feel more comfortable paying Terry McClorum than they do their own players? So that's what it would take to make it work. And I don't know one way or the other, but I suspect that's probably why it would be hard to get a deal done.

Not that either of those teams would love to have those guys. and, you know, the one hole that Washington has on that's roster right now that's sitting there is pass rush for sure. And, you know, you can question the Steelers' depth, you know, receiver as well. And that would really supercharge everything they do, and he'd be a good compliment to D.K. Metcalfe. I think the contractual part of it is kind of where the rubber meets the road. And that's why they're in these situations to begin with, right? We're not talking about either McLaurin or Watt being traded if it weren't for the contract situation. Yeah, absolutely.

Albert, we're joining us here on the herd Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Erington, Jonas Knox, in for Colin. A.B., on the heels of the Steelers' Dolphins trade that took place, Jalen Ramsey, John Hsu Smith, go to Pittsburgh, and then you've got Mika Fitzpatrick going to Miami,

and then proceeds to trade for Darren Waller, who was retired, and then bring him in his tight end. What are the dolphins doing? I've got that question a lot, Jonas. I think it's a, it's going to involve a word that they will not use when speaking about what they're doing publicly, and that word is rebuild.

You know, I think they had this window where Tool was on his rookie contract. They could spend aggressively, they could build aggressively. And, you know, I think, like, if you really add up everything that's happened this offseason, it's sort of an acknowledgement, okay, like, we need to move on to the next phase now. We need to move on to the phase where we have to build a little bit differently because we have our quarterback on a big second contract. They could delay that by a year or two if they wanted to. But doing that would have to come with a real belief that you're that close to a championship. And if you're being real with yourself and your Miami, do you feel that way?

Like, do you feel like you're a player or two away from knocking on the door and knocking off the Chiefs or the Ravens or the Bengals or the, you know, or the bills? Like, I don't know that you feel that way. You know, so I think where they all, right now. Toronto Armstead retires. Ramsey's traded. I think they would listen on Tyree Kill. They've got some holes in the roster they didn't have before. Two edge rushers, both having dealt with very serious injuries and Bradley Chubb and Jalen Phillips. Like I just think if you look at the team, you say yourself, like, how many of these guys are going to be here in two years? I think you can name two guys. To me, it's it's Jalen Waddle and it's Chop Robinson. And other than those two,

I don't know how many guys are going to be there, you know, in 2027. So I think this is a natural spot for them to retool and rebuild. And to me, like, that's moving Ramsey and Johnny Smith's contract off your ledger, moving those problems off your ledger. And I wouldn't read too much into the wall or thing other than that's just a way to try to stop gap a hole that you created by trading Johnny Smith away. You said two people. You didn't say three.

So should I assume that includes coaches as well? Yeah, I mean, well, I guess I should say Tua also, right? Well, I'm not saying Tua. I'm saying, what about the coach? Nick Daniel. Yeah, what about the coach? Yeah, I think that's fair. I mean, look, like I, does he have some job security? Yeah, he just signed an extension last year.

Do I feel like for sure he's going to be there in 2027? I don't know, you know. I mean, that's, I mean, if you're looking at potentially getting rid of the general manager, Chris Greer, who's been there for a long time, does that come with like a complete reset of the organization? I don't know. And I think Mike, for the most part, has done a really nice job, you know? I mean, where they are versus where they were when he got there. They've made a lot of progress.

And the culture there has been, for the most part, until last year, was good. And he fixed a lot of things there. He got him to the playoffs. But yeah, I mean, like, I don't know. I mean, if you're going through a roster retool, you know, and all of a sudden you're a four or a five-win team. We could be talking about something else in time.

Albert Breer with us here on Fox Sports Radio. How is it going to play out with the fact that 30 of 32 second round picks are still unsigned because two guys got fully guaranteed deals and everybody else is like, why should I sign something different than them? How do you think this all plays out with training camp right around the corner? I mean, I think it just, it sort of depends on, like, you know, each one of these deals and when the first person does a deal that isn't fully guaranteed. And the linchpin right now is Tyler Schock, the quarterbacks and the Saints, who, like, I have to look it up. Was he 35, 36? I think he might have

been 36 overall, but that's the one everybody's waiting for because that comes with the quarterback premium, right? And then Quintan Judkins is right there. And so if you're Judkins and you see the Carson-Swastinger who won a couple of picks before you, got a fully guaranteed deal from the Browns, you're going to be looking for the same thing from the Browns, you know? So there are a couple up there. Shuck was

40, by the way. Pick 40. Chuck was 40. Okay, so all right, so Shuck was 40. So, like, you're talking about like Shuck, like there's, like, people are waiting on Shuck because of the quarterback premium and does the quarterback at the fully guaranteed deal? Because if the quarterback is a fully guaranteed deal at 40, and I'm sorry, I mix that up.

But if Chuck gets the fully guaranteed deal at 40, then everybody before 40 is going to ask for it. So if you were picked before 40, you're waiting on that, right? Like, meanwhile, on the other end of the spectrum, at 35. And again, I have to look up who was 35. Was that Judkins? Eminemoree from South Carolina. And then Judkins is 36, right? So Judkins, of course, has the fact that the Swessinger got the fully guaranteed deal. So now he wants what his teammate got.

Emin Worry, of course, is going to wait to see it the Brown's double down on what they did with Swessinger with Judkins. And then you got the quarterback four picks after that. Thank you for organizing. But is there, and I want to ask you this, is there, because now it feels like Jimmy Hasam's done it again to where he's done the guaranteed deal and put everybody in a bad spot. Like what is, what's the opinion of him around the league from owners and people that are in the NFL? Well, it wasn't him, right? Or was he 33? Yeah, Jim

Yeah, that was Swessinger. He was 33 or 33, right? Yeah. Jenkins is 36. And okay, okay. Now I have it straight. But it wasn't him, actually, because it was the Texans receiver.

Higgins out of Iowa State, Jayden Higgins. From Iowa State that we got the first one. So Higgins got it. And then Swessinger got his deal as a result of what Higgins did. That's what the timeline was. I think, I think, if I'm not mistaken,

if I'm not mistaken, Swessinger signed one day after Higgins did. Yeah, correct. And so that's what created the whole. I knew it was the Texans that created it. So it's not Jimmy in particular, but if he does two fully guaranteed deals for guys at the top of the second round, I think, you know, you do get some side-eyed because of it. Hey, let me ask you, okay? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Absolutely. I mean, speaking of guarantees and contracts in Ohio, Has there been any movement on the defensive line that's the rookie end with Hendrickson, the veteran? Has there been any movement on Cincinnati closing that down? Yes. So with Hendrickson, I think it's just a complicated situation that's kind of you hit the pause button on it now while the NFL's on break and they'll pick it up when they get back.

There have been discussions. I don't think they're necessarily close. And, you know, really there are two things here. number one is the raw number, which has gotten really big, right? So you can say he's not worth what Miles Garrett, what Miles Garrett got or what Michael Parsons would get, but then he is in the same category as guys like Max Crosby and Daniel Hunter, who just got into the mid-30s on third contract.

Can I stop you there? Can I stop you there? Is it safe to say that you can't put him in the same category as Miles Garrett? If you look statistically, it's comparable, and they are around the same. same age. He is. I just think Miles Garrett's seen on a different level. You know what I mean? But production is production. I mean, you can score 20 points and they can score 20. Here's what I'm saying, LeVar. He's going to be, he has to be in

mid-30s. Okay. If you look at like we're across the, I'm saying, Quarapar's being a hundred of the line. Okay. Okay. So there's that part, so there's that part of it. And then the second part of it is structure, right? Like where the Bengals have had these strict rules about structure over the years. And the thing that complicates this one is that they did the two receiver contracts, right? They broke their rules to do a deal for Jamar Chase. They didn't break their rules to do T. Higgins, right? So Chase got a deal with a little bit more from a structure standpoint like

Burrough. And Higgins was more of the traditional deal the Bengals have done. So now you look at those two guys, which one do you do for Hendrickson, right? So that one's complicated. And then the Shamar Stewart thing, I mean, it's it's about default. it's about the default language on the guarantees, and this one is relatively black and white. Now, I think what'll be interesting is, are the Bengals that dead set on setting a new precedent where they're going to give Stewart sweeteners to get him to take it,

and does Stewart have to worry about what that's going to mean in the locker room for him and with other players for him if he's setting a bad contractual precedent for other players? So that one, I think that one will get done, but it's just sort of a matter of who belongs first. Jeez. A, B, we appreciate it. Enjoy the 4th of July holiday.

Stay safe out there. I mean, you got great whites swimming around you. There's all sorts of shenanigans taking place. So be safe. I will report back to you guys if I get bitten. How about that? No, don't do that. We'll read about it and we'll send you get well.

Get well wishes, man. And they come in, hey, they come in closer than three, feet, bro. I know that whole three feet when Jaws came out. They come in closer. The great way's come closer than people think for sure. You're right, man. Don't, don't, you know, boogie boarding is fun. Don't try to surf out there. And you know what? If you can't see your feet,

you're too deep. That's all I'm going to tell you. That's right. Yeah, all right. Well, be safe out there. Respect their environment, right? Yeah, yeah, man. They're turf, not ours. I mean, otherwise you might lose a leg or a limb to to pay that cause. We can't have that. We can't have that.

I love going in the ocean, so it's hard for me, but I have to be, yeah, you're right. I have to be judicious about it. Yeah. Well, listen, enjoy it,

enjoy the time with the fan, and then we'll do it again next week. Thanks, guys. There is, Albert Breer with us here on Fox Sports Radio, Amazon NFL on Prime Insider, senior NFL reporter lead content strategist at the MMQB.

Yeah, that's wild. Imagine having your kid out there for surf lessons. You want to know what crazy. I didn't want to really bring it up while AB was on. but it's like it's like your your devices read your brain from from now because your algorithm comes up on like what i was just thinking about something about sharks for some reason and the the video of the kid in in the water in egypt hollering for his dad why he was getting attacked by a shark i just saw the video yesterday real video or a i no it's a real video oh yeah and the and the boat

had just got to the point of trying to save him when the shark took him under. Like the kid is hollering for his dad and the shark took him under. I just saw that video yesterday. I'll pull it up for you on the break. As if you want to see it, it's sad. It's sad

because I recall it being on when it hit on like CNN. They were like showing it on the news. That's how I knew it wasn't AI. I mean AI has messed up everything because you don't know if anything's true or false anymore. But this was actually a real situation where some type of shark, I don't know what type of shark it was,

but it definitely had its way with little buddy. And that was the end. Yeah. I'm not going to the water. Yeah, not going to the water. I'm good. Everybody have fun with that. Do what you want.

Like I said, I put my feet in the sand and have the time out here, depending on the time of the year. I'm not even facing the water. I'm facing the volleyball nets, you know. Why, what's over there? Some people do things ass backwards, and I refuse to be the one. You know what I mean? So the water.

I'll turn around when these professional volleyball tournaments is over. I'm not looking at the waves, I'm looking at the hills. Cannon. It is two pros in a cup of Joe, filling in for the herd here. On Fox Sports Radio, LeVarie Errington, Jonas Knox, in for Colin. Coming up next here in another edition of the herd line news, we've got the latest scandal in the world of sports right here on FSR. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio,

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This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, for people could call in and say, hey Jonas, and then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys.

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That's right. Luis Ortiz of the Cleveland Guardians under investigation by the MLB for breaking the league's rules on sports gambling this according to ESPN. Yes. Being placed on the non-disciplinary list paid leave through at least July 17th.

It's going to conclude at the All-Star break. This was negotiated on the MLB and the Players Association could be extended longer if the investigation remains open past that date. Oh, it's wonderful. Just wonderful. Because then, you know, it humanizes these guys.

You know, a lot of people think, well, they're a professional athlete. They're above me. No, they're just like you. Degenerates. Can't get right. Like to gamble. Like to add a little bit of that hot sauce on a game that otherwise is pretty dull and uninteresting.

Throw a propette on it. Next thing you know, all of a sudden that game matters. that much more. You know? Anyone who's getting busted in professional sports on sports gambling, your dummy. At this point, at this point,

I'm sorry, at this point, if you're getting busted, what? If you're getting busted and you're making at least 400,000, right? Like minimum wage is somewhere around like 400, a half a million, and you're getting busted at this point in 2025,

in sports gambling as a pro player or even a college player, you're a dummy. You're dumb. And whatever happens to you, it was meant to happen. Nature took its course. I'm sorry. Stop getting in trouble over gambling and hitting women. Stuff like that.

Oh, yeah. I mean... I'm sorry. That's just it's dumb. I like people that... You ain't worth my cash. People see one of these pop up and they go, oh, God.

It's going to poison the sport. It's going to, no, it's not. Okay, there's, you can always count on some screw off in every room that you walk into. It's not going to poison the sport. They're just a couple of guys who had to scratch the edge. How much you think that dude's making? How much you think his contract is worth? The pitch for the Guardians?

Yeah. I mean, at least, you know, a few hundred grand. All right. Hey, mortgages are expensive. Well, get one that you can afford with your contract. What do you want to do? You got to go start sports gambling to be able to afford your bills. You're living beyond your means.

He's currently on a one-year $780,000 contract. All right. You're going to gamble that away. Had they given him an extra $100,000, he would not have to go to these extents to get the extra cash. That's a strong point, by the way. That is crazy. I mean, by the way, is he betting on actual Major League Baseball games,

or does he have like his own little, you know, sports book at his locker in Cleveland, and he's taking WNBA wagers. Like, hey, do y'all want the mystics? Oh, no. What is he? What's his name? Luis Ortiz. Oh, that ain't how you sound, man.

That ain't how he sound when he was asking. I can guarantee that. fever plus five. What's the same, man? People get so. Hey, man. They get so paranoid. Hey, hey, Mike, he gets so paranoid about this stuff.

Like, oh, my God, it's going to ruin sports. No, gambling's always been here. It's just now guys are like, oh, I can do it for my phone. Like, oh, I could just bat it from my phone. Stay away from gambling. If you're a pro athlete, stay away from gambling. Done. There's just a few things you stay away from, and that's one of them.

Done. You go towards it, you go in it, you get caught. I don't have any sympathies towards it. Go, Ryan, what you got? All right. We'll turn our attention to the NBA. The Buck shocked the. NBA world when they waved and stretched

Damian Lillard. Now he's a free agent to sign with whoever. And according to the athletic, three teams have emerged as the top potential landing spots, the Golden Stay Warriors, Boston Celtics, and Jonas Knox's, Los Angeles Lakers. Hey, listen, you know, could use all the help.

I'd love to see good things happen to tune to here. Why wouldn't you... He's not playing this year, though. So it's like a futures contract? That's the current reporting. I guess the idea is that he will be in some type of healthy playing shape by the postseason.

Or they'll bring him in and rehab him. I don't see why. I guess he's good enough where you feel like if you can get him right now, just go ahead and get him and hold him until he's healthy and ready to go. But I don't know. If I was one of those fan bases. If I was one of those fan bases,

who are the teams? It's the Warriors, Celtics and Lakers. Correct. All right. Celtics can use them, but I mean, you're dealing with one Achilles. You're going to add another Achilles. to your gilies. How do we replace Jason Taney? That's good number of toys in the Phillies

six weeks earlier. Is that rehab cheaper if it's two for one? Maybe that's what it is. Or if you do really well with one rehab. I want to get one 50% off. You get two bad-ass ball players and do both their gillies at the same time. I'd like some immediate answers.

Like, what about this year? Like, is there any help coming this year? Damn. That is crazy. That is crazy. Very bizarre. Hey, guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin.

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