The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - The Eagles had a plan

Episode Date: February 12, 2025

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You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Welcome in Hour 2, Greg Kosell in a few minutes, live in Los Angeles. It's the herd wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. J. Mack, remember before the season started, there was that clip on HBO Max of Joe Shane, the GM, and John Mara in the office of the Giants talking about, well, if we don't, if we don't signed Sequan and John Marr said, I just hope he doesn't go to Philadelphia.

Remember that? Yeah, yeah. And I was thinking about it. He's only 28. So it'd be one thing if you dumped her amazing wife and she upgraded. And then the next year she won Powerball and the following year she moved next door. It's the proximity to the Giants.

It's not that Sequan's great. I don't even think Howie Roseman thought he would be this great. I thought he would be good, but Howie wanted to stick it to the giant and they needed a running back. But it's the proximity. If he played for the Broncos or chargers or raiders, it just wouldn't matter. But you put him on a great

team that's across the street. And it's so easy for Seyquan Barkley to, you know, rub it in the Giants' face. But he was on the Tonight Show last night, and he continues to be all class about that HBO Max piece of tape

that made its way out. They're the people that brought me in. But after the game, so many guys and people from the organization reached out to me and was super happy to you know one for my birthday and see me hold that Lombardi charity trophy up because they know the hard work that I put in um so yeah just you know that's that clip is in the past and I'm happy to be an eagle and um I look at it as like Marshall Falk one of my favorite running backs you know he played for the coast but he's remembered

as a ram so now I'm just trying to be remembered as eagle there was always sort of a rule in pro sports, especially the NFL. Don't trade within the division. If you're going to trade Russell, Wilson, in Seattle, get him to Denver. Even though it didn't work out, there's always the chance it would work out. What's remarkable is that you

knew, you knew Jaylen Hertz could play. I mean, you saw all the weapons Philadelphia had. Their O-Line, their tight ends, AJ Brown, Devonte Smith. You knew that if Sequin Barclay ended up on that roster, it was going to be lightning. It

it was going to be transformative. And they still did it. And, you know, people are talking about the Luca deal. And I understand that he's a running back. Probably only has like three great years left. He's had a few injuries. But when you consider all the component went into it, proximity. They're in your division.

They had a great O-line, tight-ends, receiver, and quarterback. And they kind of needed a star running back to make it one of the all-time loaded offenses. and you still let it go. And the other thing is, if you go back to the beginning, we kept saying they have a choice here. Are they going to pay Sequin or are they going to pay Daniel Jones? And we knew quarterback was really important, but I think what Sequin proved and Derek Henry proved,

and Josh Jacobs proved, and Aaron Jones proved, and all these running back, J.K. Dobbins, when he was healthy, proved, the running back remains undervalued. and you can. I mean, Baltimore and Philly had great years. They were led by running backs. That's not a shot, by the way, at Jalen Herschel, Lamar.

But those teams felt like on a lot of Sundays, they were running their offense through the running back. So, and Barclay's just such a classy guy. He doesn't have to be a good guy in all this. Like, he could just roll his eyes and be bitter. But Sequon's always above board. He's always great. He's always classy.

And it's like, hey, man, I'm just going to be the best guy I can be. But it is, it's, you know, you start looking around at some of these moves in sports. And J. Mack, sometimes I don't, we don't appreciate this. There are big mistakes made on a regular basis in all these leagues. Like massive mistakes made. Now, sometimes when Shohei Otani goes Angels to Dodgers, they couldn't afford him. I mean, he's a $700 million player. The Angels don't drive that revenue.

You knew when he was an angel, after about year two, you're like, yeah, he's going to end up up the I-5. He's going to end up being a Dodger or a Yankee. Like there are times that you just can't afford it. We know that to be true. Sometimes you get trapped in a salary situation, but in this situation, like you had a choice. Bad quarterback star back. He just made a bad choice. I mean, you combine that with what just happened in the NBA with Luca Donchich.

And to me, I go into this NFL offseason thinking literally anything could happen. I'm not going to be shocked by anything. Some of these decisions the owners are making, NFL, NBA, you're just like, what's happening? Like, could Aaron Rogers, seriously, could he be on the 49ers next year starting quarterback week one? Sure. I don't see why not.

Could he go across town to play for the Giants if they can't get Matt Stafford? I'm going to stick it to the Jets. I'm going to show him I can win it. Why not? If the Giants don't get a quarterback in the drafts, I don't see why not. To me, anything is in playing now. Again, that Luca thing really changed my outlook.

And you go back to the Barclay one inside. Wow. Wild stuff. Greg Kossel, 45 years, NFL films. You know, what I found interesting, now it's a blowout, right? So you think to yourself there's not much to say. But the tape always tells a more in-depth story than what we watched. I had said to you multiple times this year,

there were moments, drives, and quarters when I would watch Philadelphia's offense and say, how do they ever punt. Jalen is viewed as not a great pocket quarterback, but can I defend him here? On the throws they ask him to make, like the sideline stuff, he's very good at it. Does the film say, okay, you tell me, what's the film say? Well, we're going to have to get to the defense in a minute

because it was really a defensive game. But what Jalen Hertz is exceptionally good at is he throws the ball outside the numbers, really, really well. That's his game. And he made that third and seven back shoulder throw to A.J. Brown, that was as pretty as you could make a throw. That's his game. And obviously, the long touchdown to Smith, that was set up all throughout the game. That was their seventh play out of the pistol formation. The previous six were runs. And then they came with the play action after the chiefs turned it over on downs. But he also made a couple of other really good throws. There was one

third down, and this will never appear in a highlight, but it was a nine-yard completion, I believe, on third and eight, to DeVantus Smith, where the chiefs tried to change the picture pre-snap to post-snap, and he read it immediately, and he hit his back foot and delivered the ball. So, yeah, he played,

in many ways it was a Jalen Hertz game, very efficient, and one other point to make, which you can't ever overlook, is the run-game element with Jalen. He had three runs in the second half. A couple of times they spied him, and he beat the spy, those are backbreakers. Those are moral breakers, morale breakers for a defense. And that's a major part of his game. And he has such a good feel for that, Colin. And that's, you know, we know that the game has changed a bit now in terms of quarterbacks. And these

kinds of plays are so important games. It felt like, now, let's talk, pivot to the Eagles defense. It felt like they were winning every snap up front. And not only every snap, every player was winning. It was a complete dominance. I can remember Brady facing the New York Giants would talk and stray hand at OCU Minora, and I can remember the New England Patriots really struggling with

the defensive front four. This was that on HGH. I mean, that was this on jet fuel. What is the tape say? How were they able to generate that without blitzing? Well, you know, it's funny you say that because I'm watching

the tape, and normally when I watch tape, Colin, I try to think about the process. Like, what made Vic Fangio as he started to prepare to play the Chiefs, which of course was two weeks ago, think that, okay, I can essentially just rush my four down linemen. I can play it of a two high safety structure every snap in the game, which is what they did. And so more than 75% of their snaps came with two high safeties. And why am I doing that? You know, why do I think that's the best way to go?

And I think the answer is pretty simple. They felt that they were so much better athletically in all ways than the offensive line for the chiefs. The chiefs have three players on their all line that are really not good enough to be starters in this league. And the Eagles just were better up front. And then they started these multiple stunt concepts in the second quarter. And that's where the athleticism also really showed up. and they were in a sense daring the Chiefs to run the ball because they were playing all these two high safety structure concepts

and the Chiefs would just not run the ball. The Chiefs had 20 offensive plays in the first half. Three of them were runs by running backs. They gained 23 yards, Colin, on 20 offensive plays in the first half. The one thing the Chiefs did well was stop Saquan Barclay, which, by the way, nobody did well all year. what is the one blueprint teams could take from that watching Casey's defense against Sequin because they bottled them up?

Yeah, they didn't do anything you would think is special. They did not load the box, as most people probably assume. They had a couple of run blitzes on first down here and there. They very often lined up in a two deep shell, and then they just had a safety immediately dropped down at the ball was snapped and make it appear that there was a gap that was open and the safety would fill the gap. But contrary to what people think, they did not load the box. In fact, their D-line actually played very well in the run game.

They beat up the Eagles O line at times and therefore made plays where they just won one-on-one matchups. So I don't think there's a blueprint here necessarily. As I said, they did run blitz on occasion on early downs. Tranquil was a factor in this, and he's a good player. But there wasn't anything where you went, oh, my God, I've never seen that before. Yeah. Well, I did think, and I said before the game, I thought Kansas City, when you can, I like their front seven defensively.

I think it's twitchy. I think it's active. Oh, yeah. I think it's really, really good. I think they got worn out because they were on the field the entire first half. Yeah, I mean, the Eagles had the ball for, yeah. 37 minutes, the Eagles had the ball in the game. And they went on a really long drive in the third quarter that basically, look,

the Chiefs tried to come out to start the third quarter and run the ball a little bit because they knew they needed to even they were down, they were down 24. And then when they had to punt, the Eagles went on. a long drive and then all of a sudden there were four minutes left in the third quarter and then it was over in terms of any kind of running game but the chiefs just did not run the ball in the first half and uh the eagles you know de line just dominated the game Travis Kelsey what is the film say um not a factor in the game at all um you know he was forced to block on occasion he's not very good at it um and he was just not a factor in the past game their past game

never got into any kind of rhythm at all, Colin. They just could not develop any sense of timing, rhythm, and Mahomes was unable to make the Mahomes kinds of plays that were used to seeing. The only one he really made came when he threw the touchdown to Worthy, I guess, late in the third quarter, but through the first half, they really bottled him up. They kept him from getting outside the pocket. The one time he got outside the pocket, he ended up throwing the interception to Cooper DeGine, which was phenomenal defense. I thought the Eagles on the back end played with incredible discipline, incredible route awareness.

I thought Blankenship, and it won't show up in the box score, I thought Blankenship played an unbelievably good game. What did you make a Patrick Mahomes performance? I thought as the game progressed, and it happened pretty quickly, he started to play a little fast. I don't think he was seeing things particularly clearly. There were times I thought that his drop did not sync up with the routes. don't forget how many plays he makes outside of structure.

You know, I've had defensive coaches in the league. Again, this is not me saying this. I've had defensive coaches who've played against him say that he's not a great progression reader. That's not the strength of his game. So when he's unable to make those special plays, because his spatial awareness is as good as anybody in the league and maybe as good as anybody we've seen, but those plays did not occur,

so they could never get into a timing and rhythm within their past game. Yeah, I'll throw this out there. One of the things I always felt Brady could win a game when he didn't have the best hand. He didn't have to have pocket aces or a full house. Tom would just figure out ways to win field position, shorten routes manipulate. I felt watching the game that they came in with a game plan and didn't alter it much. Did the film say that for Kansas City? Well, there were a couple of play calls.

I'm actually going to show one when we get to it that were actually really interesting play calls, but the pass rush prevented them from being executed. And, you know, when that happens, you know, you can have a really nice route concept, route combination that breaks down the defense because they knew what they were going to mostly get from Vic Fangio's defense because he's such a quarter's maven and he works off of that. So they knew what they were going to get and they were able to attack it at times. but they just couldn't get the ball out because of pressure. And the pressure was the huge, huge part of the game.

And with Tuni at left tackle, with Caliendo at left guard and Taylor at right tackle, those were three players that they just could not handle the Eagles. And then, as I said, they started all these multiple stunt concepts to accent their athleticism. They started doing that in the second quarter. I think the first one came on the Dijin interception return for a touchdown, and they just started doing more and more of that. and it was really, really difficult for the Chiefs All right.

Show us your big play from the game and what it means. Yeah, I chose this play. It made it a little different, and we can start the play now. This was third and three on their second possession. Okay, so the game was only 7-0. And this is an example of what I'm talking about. This was actually a really cool play design by Andy Reid and his staff, and they just couldn't execute it because of pressure.

So what you're going to see here is Mahomes in the gun. Now that's worthy who's offset in the backfield. They tried to get him in the game early. And what you're going to see from the Eagles is they're going to be in that sort of four-across umbrella coverage, which they lined up in to start every single play in the game. The corners were off, okay? And in Vic Fangio's defense, in a cover four look, the corners always stay with one vertical, the outside receivers when they run vertical.

this became a cover four shell. Okay, now Worthy's going to be the motion guy here. And what he's going to end up doing is he's going to run a go route down the sideline. And they knew, based on the cover four coverage, that the defender that would have to run with him would be Zach Bond. A great player had a great year, but he can't run with Worthy. So let's just focus on these two guys from this angle. And you'll see exactly what I'm talking about. Remember, this was third and three on the same.

second possession, the game was not out of hand. So you can see that Worthy runs by him. This was the design of the play, and if Mahomes had time, it could well have been a touchdown. But now let's go to what this game was ultimately all about, Colin. And you're going to see, because they emptied the backfield, you had Tooney one-on-one with sweat, okay, because Worthy was in the backfield. They emptied him out. You get the one-on-one matchup, and sweat's phenomenal here with his one-arm stab and he's able to clear the edge. And you can see toward the top of the screen that Worthy hadn't really gotten into the route yet. So that's where Mahomes wanted to go, but he couldn't because of the pass rush pressure. And he ends up having to run out of the pocket and

throw an incompletion. So I thought this was very telling early in the game because they designed a really good play to take advantage of the Eagles defense that could well have been a touchdown. Mahomes usually doesn't miss those throws if he has time in the pocket. And they do. just couldn't execute it because of the past rush. Good stuff, Greg CoSell. We got free agency coming up, draft stuff. By the way, a tip for our audience. You're always good at giving me stuff a year out.

When do you really start deep diving on the draft, or are you already done that? I'm already into it. For instance, I've done three quarterbacks that I'm done with. I've done Ward. I've done Sanders and I've done DART. I'm done with those guys. I'm actually watching. Today I was watching a really interesting guy that I was told about.

and I know you know college football. I was watching Tyler Shuck at Louisville, who's been around in the block a few times. Yep. He's a fascinating guy, Colin. Fascinating guy. Yep. We'll keep our eye on that. And more.

Greg CoSell, NFL Films 45 years. Thanks. Greg, appreciate it. Thank. Thanks, Colin. Appreciate it as always. You bet. You and I both love the draft.

Interesting that he's already looked at Jackson Dart. There is some chatter. He could be a first round pick. Well, I will tell you this. is a year in which many believe the second, third, and fourth round quarterbacks depending on where they land. Because the quarterbacks that are at the top of the draft are not transformative, and they're going to bad teams.

Whereas you get Riley Leonard goes to the Rams and sits behind Stafford for two years. What you're getting is the guys and this kid from Louisville, there's a handful of quarterbacks that if they go third round late, And they end up on San Francisco or they end up on Detroit. Like, for instance, the Lions are a great example. If the Lions say to themselves, we need to be more athletic. Think about the Detroit Lions. We have a great O line and great run game.

So whoever we get at quarterback, what they're missing is mobility at quarterback. Now, you make fun to Riley Leonard. You go to the third round because that roster is pretty set. I don't know. No, I'm just throwing this out. Remember, they got Hendon Hooker a few years ago. That's not. But hold on, Jets fans.

the Jets offensive coordinator comes from the Lions. So Jets fans are like, do we make a move on Hendon Hooker, who was awesome at Tennessee as a college player? I know he's on the older. You're not feeling Hendon Hooker? No, no. But you're feeling Riley Leonard? Yes.

And hold on. We could do an hour on the draft, but you're telling me you think J.J. McCarthy, who was, I think ninth overall last year, you think he's a better NFL prospect than Cam Ward? Orsador? I don't know. Long term?

Maybe. Bo Nicks? You think he's a better prospect? Yes. Then Cam Ward? Yeah. I just don't see that. I'm all in on Cam Ward.

That's my guy in this draft. I think whoever gets him, you know, Tennessee or maybe Cleveland. Like he's going to be a stud. All right. Stuff will start coming out. Oh, oh, oh, I see what that is. See, the audience, if you're not watching, you need to listen closely. I say I'm all in on Cam Ward.

He says stuff will come out, meaning there's some, I don't want to say skeletons, but there's some stuff on Cam Ward that could emerge. Right? I'm just saying I'm not here to label anybody. Let's let it play out. Remember last week at the Super Bowl when I said Stafford, some connections will come out regarding the Giants. You did.

What happened on Monday or Tuesday? Adam Schaefter reports. I'm not saying it's... We know stuff, but we can't come out and say. I'm not saying it's bad. So you immediately said the Cam Ward stuff is bad. I just think the some things will develop over the next two months. We can talk about some of it, the NIL chase.

for him before he picked Miami and, you know, teams that were in the mix, there were some chatter about Kim Ward. I'm just going to put that aside. I like him a lot. Gosh, it's fun to do this show sometimes. Yeah, you immediately jump to bad news. And I am saying it's not necessarily bad news, but these stories develop. We tend to nitpick the top kids. Like, Schaer Sanders now is better than what I'm hearing. At first, during the season, it's like, number one. And then we're all like, yeah, now when I talk to people, I have talked to two people in this league.

Two coaches in this league on Shador Sanders, both really like him. Great kid, bigger than you think, incredibly accurate, mature. So what happens is we'll nitpick. We did this with Andrew Luck. You start nitpicking him. you're like, give me a break. Caleb Williams, just start nitpicking. And then also, so just let the quarterback,

I think what's going to happen over the next two months is going to be fascinating because we don't have a dominant one. And I think you're going to hear some things on Cam Ward and Shadour and Kyle McCord and Riley Leonard and the kid at Louisville. Just let let it develop. I like glass half full Colin today after the flat tire fiasco from last night. You kind of bounce back strong. It's good.

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We don't know what Rogers is going to do next, but he definitely wants to keep playing, according to Jay Glazer. Steve Young, former NFL quarterback, spoke to what the future could look like for Rogers and talked about his changing mindset. Game, Tom Brady said it best. The flats are always open.

The middle of field is unpatrolled, and no one could hit me. And, by the way, I make $50 million. So I think that Aaron, because he's healthy, a full year. Look, the mobility is down, everything else. But if you can get to a place that understands a position,

has innovative mindsets, there's more and more places like that, that you can get where you can take advantage of the new football that's being played. You know, not just geographically isolated, but forgotten. Does Seahawks have a really good roster? Are they going to run back to Gino thing? Like to me, they're not going back to Russell. Well, yeah. How many, I mean, we like their coach.

I love their GM, stable ownership, really nice roster. What are they doing a quarterback? That's a good question. I'll run through the options. Sam Darnold? I think if I've Seattle, Indy and Seattle should make a play on Sam Darnold. Indy. Kurt Cousins?

I don't know if the orange strength is there. outdoors, that wet weather. Not. I mean, the game he ended up getting benched. Remember that throw out in the flat? There was just no juice on it. I don't know if his arm can hold up outdoors. Sam Darnold had two or three great college games. Great. One of them

against the Huskies in Seattle. He can play in wet weather. It was like seven years ago. Sorry, I had to. Let me just talk. There's a long shot for your C-Ox. Daniel Jones? I know he doesn't get too many people excited. Listen, Clint Kubiak,

recently said, that's a guy I want to coach talking about Gino Smith. Oh, yeah. Now, Seattle does have some cap issues. So what about Aaron Rogers? Let me, so I keep mentioning the Niners as an option. Let me just say this. Let's say Stafford ends up getting traded to the Giants. I have 10% chance, 20, whatever.

Would Sean McVeigh say, I'm going to take a chance on Aaron Rogers? That's a winning quarterback. He's got the arm. If Stafford leaves? Yeah. Yeah, for a year. They would maybe rent him and then figure out quarterback later. Yeah, I could see that.

Yeah, absolutely. Because you made a good point that the Rams are not afraid to do wacky stuff. I mean, Jail L.Ramsey moved off. Jared Goff got rid of him. He went to a Super Bowl. No, and also. There was another Cooper Cup recently. They're like, sorry.

They're not asking a lot. The Rams would not ask a lot of the quarterback. First of all, their defense, last year, Thanksgiving on. Jamack, outside of Philadelphia, it was one of the best. It was good. And their defense, unlike Phillies has got some middle-to-older guys, like Rams is all kids and all getting better fast. So, and they have Kyron Williams and they stabilize their O line.

They're going to get a left tackle with their first pick, I would imagine. So my take is the Rams would not be asking you to carry the offense. It would be very much like Philadelphia. Come in. We're going to ask you to do a few things. Aaron Rogers to the Ramsie has a place in Malibu. To me, feels like not a bad spot. Not a bad spot at all.

Okay. I'll just make it things happen out here. Let's go to the Pittsburgh Steelers next, Colin. Now, this is a tough story for me. Zach really selling it hard. Take a deep breath. They finished the regular season on a five-game losing streak, lost in the first round. Fans are starting to get upset.

They do not have a playoff win since 2016. One fan bought a billboard demanding the team either trade Tomlin or sell the team. Like, this is crazy. Well, I mean, Colin, people are starting to lose their minds. However, you could look at some of Tomlin stuff. He's lost six straight in the playoffs, eight and 11 in the postseason.

28 different head coaches have won a playoff game since Tomlin's last playoff win. By the way, that's not much of a billboard location. It's next to a chain-link fence. That thing could be next to a garbage dump. I mean, it's barely off the ground four feet. It's like the worst billboard placement I've ever seen. Well, we need to zoom out on that one for some more.

Maybe it's near a highway. Where are you on Tomlin? I don't, I mean, I get their frustration. They're in the playoffs every year. They're relevant. It was Pete Carroll and Seattle. Good coach. It's time.

Do you think it's time now? Yeah. So you want to move off Travis Kelsey and Mike Tomlin. That's the show today. By the way, Hall of Fame level, like Pete Carroll in Seattle. It was time. Okay. Which doesn't mean he can't coach.

You're running off Mike Tomlin. I'm not running. Who are you replacing him with? I don't know. Who are you, the New York Giants? Yeah, let's get rid of Sequelmore. Well, who knew? What's our gameplay?

Devin Singletarian? Who knew who Kevin Stefansky was before Kevin Stamansky? I didn't know who Sean McVeigh was. I'd heard his name. The idea, I mean, did you know before he became a hot shot three years ago who the Bears new coach was? Did you know who Bobby Sloick was? William Cohen two years ago?

He was in the Rams, but people weren't talking about him. But a lot of those teams, didn't have a great coach before. You talk about Mike Tomlin. How many times do we say you don't want to follow up a superstar, a Hall of Famer? Following Belichick, how'd that work out for Mayo? One and done. You follow Tomlin and miss the playoffs after all he does is make the playoffs.

You're toast. I mean, I know it hasn't been great. I'm a keep Mike Tomlin guy. I'm sorry. I would retain it. I'm not demanding it. They're not falling apart. I think they're tone deaf to offense.

I think the culture's all defense. I mean, remember, Jimmy Johnson replaced Tom Landry. I mean, Belichick got replaced. Andy Reid got replaced. It's not an indictment. I mean,

Eric Spolstra, Steve Kerr, Greg Popovich. Everybody in the NBA gets replaced except those three guys. I mean, the dolphins move on from Don Shula and it took like 25 years to win a playoff game. Like, it's really tough when you run off a legend. I understand the frustration.

I'm just going to remind people. The Jets have the longest post-season drought in professional sports in America. Okay? They haven't been since Mark Sanchez took him there. We would kill for six straight playoff runs the way Tomlin, even though he's losing. Like, just be happier you're in the postseason, no? Not everybody's winning a Super Bowl?

Yeah, if you're the Jags, the Steelers standard is just be happy you're in. I think you have to be honest about Pittsburgh. Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow are top five quarterbacks. You are at best going to have the third best quarterbacks. in that division for the foreseeable future, five years to 10 minimum. Now, with Bradshaw, you had a 10, 12-year run, you had the best quarterback. With Big Ben, 15-year run, you had the best quarterback. But Pittsburgh's history is when they do not have the best quarterback in the division,

they do not hoist trophies. And they're not going to find anybody in the next couple of years that's as good as Joe Burrow, who's historically good, or Lamar Jackson, who is historically good. They're going to have the third best court. Thank God Cleveland's a tire fire. Well, the way to get that quarterback is to just say, you know what? We're going to punt this season. We're going to reboot.

We're trading T.J. Watt. We're moving off pickings. We're going to bottom out. And next year we got the number two pick. Archmanning, come on down to the Steel City in Pittsburgh. I would do that. I would sell off. It's easier said than done.

I would do it. But it's in Pittsburgh. Pride. When's the last time the Steelers were awful? I can't even think of a year. I don't even know what the year is. Thanks to Mike Tomlin, largely, right? Well, I think there's a lot of components.

I think they've been well-run, well-owned, smartly. I mean, I think they draft at a very high level. I just, when I'm watching that offense, how many years now can they not get the O-line right? I mean, Andy Reed needs help on the O-line. By next year, the Chiefs will have a good O-Line. That's what they do. Final story is the Dallas Mavericks

catching a lot of heat for trading Luca Donchich. Remember we talked about this. Following Monday's loss to the Kings, Jason Kid declined talking to the media afterwards. And things are getting worse, Colin. There is now a report that not only Anthony

Davis could be at a month, but it sounds like PJ Washington's going to miss time. Gafford's going to be out two weeks. No, they're season. Lively's out to the rest of the regular season. Dallas is done. They're cooked. And Jason Kid now has responded saying, I'm the one who gets the groceries, and I got

figure out how to use it. I don't want to be the one that's buying the groceries, i.e. He doesn't want to be the GM. This is... They're done. I don't think they're making the playoffs. They're not. All their best players are out. They're done. And their March schedule, I looked at it.

It is like seven really good teams or good players you're facing. Hey, Max Christi, lean on him. He might be their starting point card. If something happens to Kyrie. I don't know who they have tonight, but they're in action. I mean, think about this. Think about Dallas.

Are they going to become Chicago South? Chicago, all their teams are bad. Now, the Cubs did have a nice pickup in the offseason, but all their teams are bad. Dallas is not a top 10 team in the NFC. They're definitely not a top five. The Maverick season is over. Thank God for the stars. Are the stars good?

Well, they were a couple years ago. A couple years ago. Who's their center? Mike Madonna? No, no. Sega Genesis, old video game joke. I'm sure someone's going to try to rip me on the Internet. not knowing that but that's the last time I paid attention to hockey.

Mavs host the Warriors tonight. Should we lay the lumbering with it? You want to bet Warriors? Let's do it. What's the number? I got to call it up. What's the number? Come on, man.

Give me 10 seconds here. Okay, I am. Fill the voice. Let me guess. Warriors minus 7. That's your guess. Okay, I am seeing, there's a lot of games tonight. Where the hell is?

Oh, Warriors minus 6 and a half. Look at you. Now it's in Dallas. what? So we're laying it with Jimmy Buckets and Steph against Clay. Yeah, yeah. Let's take it. Fans are too busy protesting to boo. Scream.

Yow. What are you going to do? A grand on the Warriors? A grand. I'm kidding. That's a joke. Regular season NBA. You bet a lot more than me. I'm not doing that.

Not regular season NBA. No way. That's suicidal. And by the way, Kyrie, you see how many minutes he's been playing? Like 42 minutes in February? Not good. And he has an injury history.

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not going to tell you my source. Illinois, football makes the playoff next year. Go look at their schedule. Return the entire O-line. I looked at their schedule last night. They miss on all the teams. Illinois?

You've got to be honest. What's going on with all the Chicago love? What is this? Bears, Illinois. Come on. Illinois making the playoff? I'll take that bet. I'll give you odds, too.

Okay, right now. You owe me a 17th steak dinner. Okay, okay. Say it right now. go look at what they return go look at it do it just on on the air as I rant this go look at it real quick you rant go ahead I'm going to rant because I want to talk about this so Matt Patricia has just been named

the defensive coordinator at Ohio State and for the record Indiana made the playoff basketball school you don't think Illinois can I'll get to that in a second so Matt Patricia is going to get so I think Ryan day tried the NFL thing with Chip Kelly and went hell it really helps and now with NIL what you're seeing in college football, these programs now are hiring NFL GMs who are out of work or,

you know, they're kind of banging around and scouting. They're not the GM. They're hiring them. So college football is really grabbing NFL people. I think it's really smart. Green Bay, by the way, remember, they went and got Boston colleges head coach. They made him a defensive coordinator. And I think Ryan Day looked at Chip Kelly and thought it's a different level of intellect,

experience. They understand the pro game. My guys are all getting paid now. So Matt Patricia may not be a guy who is a head coach. We know he's not a good OC, but as a DC, I think he's fantastic. And this is one of the cool things what's happening with college football is that, you know, it was always college football could borrow some, you know, NFL sometimes borrowed stuff from college football. College football now is going up and taking NFL guys out.

And what you're going to see is some of these college coaches who don't want to deal with all the NIL. And their take is, if I'm going to be coaching in a league where guys are getting paid, I'll just go to the NFL. Now, it doesn't mean every college coach can be an NFL coach, but Matt Patricia, I think will be pretty good. I just, Matt Patricia's the classic, excellent coordinator. Never worked as a head coach. He's a little gruff. Reportedly, he and Stafford weren't tight. I mean, I thought Belichick moving him to OC was bizarre.

I didn't get that. He doesn't have the sensibility or the personality to be an offensive coach. He's kind of a gruff, tough guy, smart guy. He's a D.C. By the way, by the way, go look at the schedule. Go look at the schedule for next year. Move it up a little bit here, guy, on the screen. So they don't face Michigan.

They don't face Oregon. They don't, they get Ohio State at home, and then it looks like a basketball schedule. All these double-year. use. Illinois is going to make the tournament next year. They get USC at home, semi-tuff. They have one big game on the schedule. You're like, uh-oh, and they host

Ohio State. Folks, I just hand out money on this show. It's all I do. You know the saying, never get high on your own supply? Yeah. I think you're all excited that you nailed a bunch of NFL stuff a year early and you're trying to call your shot. Colin, Illinois to win the Natty. Okay. Plus 20,000.

Tell me. Tell me. North Carolina's got better out. BYU, Georgia Tech. Colin, this is not one of your good takes, bro. To win the Natty? But you get in the mix, right. They don't have to get to the playoff odds, at least at those shops I'm looking at. The Indiana Hoosiers made the playoff. Listen, how's this?

We'll just have fun with it. Go look at what they return on the offensive line. Yeah. I would give you like 10 to 1 odds, you know, on this time. To make the playoffs? Yeah. You give me $1,000. that I'll give you $10,000 if Illinois makes a playoff.

Say it again. Well, maybe I shouldn't say that on here. We'll talk off air. Colin, there's no chance of this. Okay, tell me what it, tell me to get it. We'll talk about it off here. I should not have said that on it. No, no, no, let's do it for America to watch.

No, let's not. Let's not. Plus, I've got to clear that with the wife, you know, it's five figure sums, any NFL bets that are significant I got. Okay. Colin, this is, how about this? I'm looking at pro football focused in their top 25 preseason. Illinois does not sniff it.

I'm looking at top 10 players in college football. I don't see Illinois. Illinois guys. I don't know where you're getting this, but you do have some sources, so I've got to respect it, and I'm going to hold off, I'm going to stand down on our wager.

I'll make you bet. Let's bet your share of that Mexican soccer team. That's definitely not happening. Okay. No, that's not. Okay. I'm just throwing out there. Illinois.

I like it. Maybe I'll unveil my source tomorrow. I don't even know. I'll unveil my source tomorrow. Jeff George, your source from Illinois quarter? I'm not giving you all my stuff in one day. I got to expect.

I'm on tomorrow. tomorrow and get a week off. There's not a lot going on now. I've got to extend my sourcing. I like this bold. That's as bold as it gets. It's funny, though, with Matt Patricia going to college. Like, Ryan Day was, just think about how crazy football is.

Ryan Day was in big trouble. 20-point favorite at home beat by Michigan. He was in huge trouble. And then Tennessee, you're like, oh, holy hell, they're ticked off. And then Oregon, whoa, what did I just watch? It is amazing. What is happening to college football is now? You guys got to take a chill pill on your Buckeye Reddit boards.

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