The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - The return of Nick Saban?

Episode Date: July 17, 2025

3-time National Champion Urban Meyer joins The Herd Colin tells you why Nick Saban returning to coach in the NFL is a real possibility See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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for the herd at Fox Sports Radio.com or stream us live every day on the IHeart Radio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go. It's hour two. It is a Thursday. Great to be back with you. And we were talking about this last hour, Jay Mack. Sports are cyclical. The best college football team I've ever seen in my life was Nebraska. when they, the year they dismantled Florida, I was actually there, the Steve Spurrier Florida team, Fiesta Bowl, Lawrence Phillips, Tommy Fraser, their second team, would have been a high-end bowl team, Tom Osborne, and they've never, ever, ever, for a lot of reasons, being able to reclaim that glory. Now, I, they're not. Matt rules on a nice job.

They're not. They're not the same. The sport outgrewing. It happens all the time. When I grew up in the 70s, the Cincinnati Reds and the Pittsburgh Pirates and the Kansas City Royals had the best rosters in baseball. The pirates where I can go through the entire roster of the Reds. Oh, and I can go.

The Yankees, by the way, were terrible in the 80s. But things changed with cable TV money. And now the Royals and the Royals. Reds and the Pirates, they don't have any money. And I just saw this. According to a recent poll featuring, this is by On 3, it's a very, very good company, very shrewd if you follow college football, they're excellent. According to a recent poll featuring NIL collectives, GMs, agents, and administrators, here's who's spending money in college football.

And that's what you've got to do to win. Texas number one, Texas Tech has a billionaire donor. He went big this year. Ohio State 3, Oregon 4, A&M, and Miami 4. Michigan SC 7. USC is about 18 million now. Tennessee 9, Auburn, 10. So four SEC schools in the top 10,

no Bama. So Nick Saban saw this thing coming. Sabin's like exit stage right. Two years before he left, he was grumbling about what was happening to college football. And I had a very good source close to Sabin saying he was like, we can't compete with Texas.

They got two billionaire donors. And remember it was like two years before Saban left. They played Texas. Remember that game? I think it was in Tuscaloosa. And you watched that game and you went, oh, snap. Texas is way bigger, up front, and faster. Texas had better players.

Sabin was still the better coach, but Sabin sought. He knew the problems. And so I don't buy that Sabin's coming back to Alabama. I don't think he's coming back to college football. I do believe the NFL hire seven new coaches a year, and I think he brings instant credibility to anywhere he goes. Remember, in Miami with the dolphins,

if the team doctor allows Drew Brees to play, he never takes that Bama job, because he was getting things going there in Miami. And with that, Urban Meyer three-time national champ is now joining us live as we're getting fired up the college football season. So it's interesting, just about Nick. Nick is one of those guys who's older, like Pete Carroll, but he doesn't play old.

Young, dynamic, he's an innovator. And I do think Nick and Belichick are tight. I do think like Jim Harbaugh, there's that little scratch. Nick's never failed at anything, right? He's been good. And that Miami thing is a little unsettling. I do think Nick would take a call about an NFL job. Do you, Urban?

You know, I have not talked to him about this. I could guess, because I know him fairly well and competed against him, that it's not a little scratch. It's probably a pretty big scratch. That's the one area that he has not, you know, you know, like you said, he's getting things going on Miami. I actually visited him when he was down there. But I don't think he'd go back to college.

I don't see that fit. I think you're, you know, the whole idea that where the heck is Alabama? Why are they not in the top ten in spending? I don't understand that one. And Coach DeBoer, I'd be asking some hard questions, say, what's the problem here? We can't compete, but we can't pay our players. So I agree with you. I would say very little to no chance he would get involved in college, but I think he would take phone calls from the NFL.

Yeah, I mean, let's talk Jim Harbaugh. Jim Harbaugh was rumored for years to go to the NFL, and he, the minute Justin Herbert needed a head coach, Jim's like, yeah, I like that one. As you well know, you can win a national championship without a great quarterback in college. But I would argue in the NFL, they're all bad jobs if you're bad at quarterback. So, I mean, to me, I think Nick's going to, I mean, like when you look at the NFL, it almost feels like, It's a quarterback-driven league. Does it not? Well, that's kind of what got me, not kind of.

I mean, I still think Trevor Lawrence will go down as one of the great quarterbacks. I think he's going to end up having a great career. But that's so intriguing when you see a player of that caliber. If Nick Saban can get that kind of position where he believes that this is a Hall of Fame, future Hall of Fame quarterback or a world champion quarterback, the more I'm thinking of I think he's going to take that call. I really do. And once again, I've not talked to him about that.

He's doing a great job on game day. And I know Mark Ingram and him play golf together. And he has a great life. But he's a competitor. And I think he'd do very well. So we've been talking about J.J. McCarthy. Full disclosure, I liked Bo Nicks better than J.J. McCarthy. He'd had like five college coordinators.

He was good with all of them. I watched him beat Justin Herbert as a freshman. When Herbert was at Oregon, he was a freshman. and he was a freshman at Auburn, and I watched him beat him. So I thought Bow Nix was going to work. I think Caleb does. I like Drake May. I love Jaden Daniels going into NFL.

I was hitting miss on J.J. McCarthy, and my criticism was, like an Alabama quarterback, never trails, not asked to carry a team, doesn't get hit much, great coach. I mean, this is one of the reason Ohio State quarterbacks haven't historically been great. They always have the better coach and the better O-Line and the better receivers. I'm not a huge believer in JJ McCarthy because he hasn't been, he hasn't lived that NFL college life where you have to throw to non-NFL receivers and you don't have protection and you play from behind. Where are you on JJ?

I know you may have to be diplomatic, but where are you on him as a talent? No, I don't have to be diplomatic. I like JJ. I covered him quite a bit on Fox Big Noon. We had them all the time. I thought he was a great game manager to say he's going to be a great NFL quarterback. I'm skeptical a little bit because I think he's a tremendous athlete. He knows how to distribute the ball, but he, like you said, that last year, that Wolverine football team,

that he was a quarterback, the national champions, they were loaded. They had a great defense, great offense line, best offense line in college football. He did not get hit much. And if you remember, his junior year, year, he had really, or his third year, he had a hard time completing the ball downfield. They were not a downfield throwing team, and he struggled with that. So I think if they surround him with great players, I think he'll be successful, but

that's like all quarterbacks. But there's a lot of question marks about J.J. McCarthy because of what you just said, has he really had to bring team from behind? He has a skill set. The thing that I like best about J.J. McCarthy, he's a competitor, and he's the selfless player. There was times they won games or he threw the ball 15 times and you never heard a complaint about it. So I'm a JJ McCarthy fan. I like him, but there's some skepticism out there about it. Okay, so I think the guy that two years ago didn't work for me and I think he has a

chance to be the best quarterback in college footballs Drew Aller. So I watched him two years ago and I thought he was a bit wild. And then last year I watched him. He was the feet were better. He was more composed. He was more accurate. And I'm like, oh, I'm like, oh, this. This guy can really play. Give me your break. I think Penn State's going to play for the national championship with Texas. I think this kid, the difference between sophomore junior year or when I saw him two years ago and last year was like, oh, that's a first round quarterback. What do you think?

I think night and day. Very concerned about Durrell. He's actually from Ohio, and I saw high school tape on him. And then we covered him his sophomore year and he struggled. last year he was much better fundamentally. But the question I have for Penn State, they have two great running backs. They have one of the best offense lines in the country, certainly in the Big Ten. Do they have this skill on the outside? Last year they did not. That was not a typical Penn State receiving corps. And I don't know if they made it better. I keep trying to research that and we'll see

them early in the season. But I'm hoping they have better skill on the outside. I think everything about Penn State is a national championship contender. My question is, do they have NFL draft picks on the outside like they used to? You know, I was, you know, when, and this happens a lot in life where you see something happening and you're worried about it, but it actually plays to your benefit. So when the NIL came out, I think a lot of coaches like Davos-Sweeney are like, I don't want to pay my players, that's not what college football is about. Here's where the NIL helps coaches, because you spend so much time raising money to pay the players, you can't buy out coaches anymore. Alabama can't pay Kaelan DeBoer $60 million and pay Saban more money and pay,

they don't have the money. And so I do think coaches, I mean like Lincoln Riley. I know the number. He's not going anywhere. There's no way they just spent $300 million on facilities. 18 million in NIL. He's got an $80 million buyout. So I think NIL actually Urban protects the staff. You probably get a year or two more than you used to. What say you? Every time I come on your show, you come up with something, Colin. I'm like, what is he talking about? And this is one of those moments. I think you're right. You're absolutely. I never thought of it that way, but how about the Wolverines, one of the best brands and biggest brands are expected a $27 million shortfall? Teams are going to start, I'm worried about this,

start dropping sports. Where is this money coming from? And what you just said to go pay off a coaching staff because the head coach has a buyout but then you're also have to pay off all those assistant coaches so i this is one of those moments calling you got me again uh i think you're absolutely right that you're going to see the the Texas A&N paying off coaches like they used to i don't think you can do that anymore there's not enough money finally i think the best player in college football and he won't be eligible is germane smith i think Ohio State's receiver. I'm trying to think of somebody.

I'd have to go back to Hugh Green that played for Pittsburgh, where I literally saw somebody and I thought, oh, he'd be an elite NFL player as a sophomore in college. Jamar Chase at LSU felt like that. You're like, yeah, he's an NFL player playing on Saturdays. He's way too good for college football. How do you coach a guy that is so good and so gifted? How do you keep him engaged?

How do you keep him focused? How do you keep him happy? because he doesn't even look like a college player. I can't say I've had a Germaine Smith, Jeremiah Smith, but I've had a couple that you just kind of constantly challenge them. The best thing that Ohio State has is incredible defense. So his biggest challenges a lot of times aren't necessarily the games on Saturday. It's the Tuesday and Wednesday practice.

And I felt that when I had the Nick Bosa or I had Percy Harvin or some of those guys it was just so much better than really everyone else, a lot of times better than everyone else you play until you get to those big games, then you challenge the heck out of them in practice. And that's a good thing about Jeremiah Smith and Ohio State. His biggest challenges a lot of times are going against each other in practice.

That's when Iron Charts in iron. And I've dealt with that, and I know that's what's happening in Columbus. They got some good corners, and that's one of his biggest challenge to motivate him every day to go to work. Jeremiah Smith, not German, I made a mistake. Jeremy Smith. Finally, Texas, Ohio State play in the opener.

We all want to see Arch Manning. I want to see Arch Manning. What will you need to see? How are you going to view that game? I don't care a lot about stats. I want to see what happens when he faces pressure. That's what I want to see. This will be the best front he faces.

My guess is, what are you? looking for from Arch Manning? Really interesting here and I got a strong opinion because I coached Tebow when after he won the Heisman trophy as a sophomore he won the national championship as a junior. His senior

year, the scrutiny, the expectations, we'd be Tennessee by 14 points. He'd throw the ball and he'd be getting hammered by the media. He didn't play well enough. So I think this will be the player with the highest

expectations in the last decade. I put it at the Tebow level where is anything going to be good enough other than a perfect game? And he plays in the SEC. He's going to face SEC defenses each week. He's playing Ohio State Buckees early. I think he's a tremendous talent. But Sark, I'm glad he's got a head coach like Sark

that knows how to handle pressure like this because the pressure on him will be immense. And it's going to be pressure. I think we have a witness this kind of pressure on a player. I'm saying since Tim Tebow's senior year at the University of Florida. It was nonstop. Even we'd win again. We went 12 at 0.

His senior year and nothing was good enough. And I worry about that. That wears on you. That wears on the staff. But most importantly, it's going to wear an archmany. So I did a national championship bubble yesterday. I think there's five to six teams. Yeah, okay.

So here I have Clemson, Bama, Notre Dame. I don't know if Clemson has. the athletes, I don't know if they match up with Ohio State, Georgia, Texas, Penn State. I just don't know if they do, but I like their coaching quarterback. Bama and Notre Dame, I have to watch them play because I don't know what they are at quarterback. Bamma's playing a guy who hasn't played. He's been there three years. But there are five teams that I believe look different. I love the staffs. I just, they're different to me. Like the backfield for Penn State is just different.

It's all NFL guys. Anything you disagree with here? No, I would probably throw one other team on the bubble, though. I would throw that LSU team on the bubble. I think Coach Kelly is a heck of a coach, and they got a returning quarterback that I think is a stud. So I would throw one more out there, and LSU is never going to be short. They were the one team, and I know you catch a stereotype of team,

they were the one team when I coached the FCC. Them and Georgia came walking out of that tunnel, they look different. And that stadium's a tough place to play. So I like it. I like your top five, but I throw one more bubble team in there, and that's LSU. Urban Meyer, three-time national champion. Coach is always, you're making time for us, and we love that.

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Said he doesn't think it's a small itch. It is a big scratch. Saban and the NFL. I would not have spent 10 minutes on it yesterday and almost led with it today. I think nothing against being an analyst, but I just think he's very much. If you told me Saban has a doppelganger, kind of a similar personality, I would say it's Jim Harbaugh. Those guys are just different level intense. And Harbaal love Michigan, Alma Mater. Saban loves Bama. The minute an elite quarterback was open with a decent roster, Harbaugh Bolts. Bama's not getting him back.

These colleges can't afford buyouts for their coaches. Everybody complained about Kalin DeBore. Bamma doesn't have that kind of money. They can't buy him out and buy Sabin. That alone would be $150 million. Saban's not coming back for two years. He'd want four or five years guaranteed at $15 million a pop. Like Lincoln Riley at USC, they're going to win eight games this year.

He's going nowhere. They just spent $300 million on facilities. They spend $18 million a year. What do you think that money's coming from? And they're not going to pay $80 million to get rid of Lincoln Riley. So, you know, I think Urban Meyer was surprised on that, but I think college coaches should love the NIL. It's guaranteed them another year or three at the college level. You can't run out, Brian Kelly.

LSU can't afford it. Colin, hey, when did, I thought sports was a young man's game. When did we start talking about Bill Belichick, who's 73, going to North Carolina? Nick Saban, who's in his 70s, going back to football. LeBron in his 40. What's going on here? Why are we so obsessed with the old guys? Is Andy Reed and Sean Payton?

Are they crushing? Are we talking about them? We're not talking about them. I mean, Bill Belichick's been one of the biggest stories in sports this year. And now Nick Sabin's threatening to take over the summer. The baton, LeBron just handed him in mid-July, and now it's going to be Nick Saban summer. I'm going to take middle-aged to old guys over young guys. Everybody looks at Silicon Valley. Zuckerberg's not 24.

You know who's the smartest guy in Silicon Valley? If you ask people, Larry Ellison at Oracle. I think he's in his 70s. That's the guy that that's Elon Musk. If you ask Elon, who's the smartest guy? They're all like, oh, yeah, it's not Tim Cook at Apple. It's Larry Ellison at Oracle. Aren't they putting age limits or term limits? or whatever it's called on politicians who are like 84 and in Congress. Why don't we have coaching age limits? Let's get some new blood in there, some creative young people to try some new stuff. I'm sorry.

Like Nick Sabin was an amazing coach, had a great run. I don't need to see him going back to football, do we? Yeah. Oh, let me see. You want that coordinator from the Jaguar's? Yeah, I want to find the next Dan Lannning. Yeah, that's what I want. I want the next young hotshot guy who's going to be awesome and creative and smart.

Dude, you're in the interesting business. business. Sabin to the Cowboys, that is literally 50 segments the first two weeks of the NFL season. That's a tire fire waiting to happen and you know that. Jerry Jones. Isn't that doing over what Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson? Isn't that not doing that all over again? No, Jerry's 82 years old. He wants the win. Sabin wins. Sabin wins. Everybody wants the hot shot young guy. You know who's the best coach in the NBA? Eric Spolster or Steve. Kerr. You know who was the third best coach until about two years ago with health issues?

Greg Popovich. You guys have all these young guys. Look around who are the best coach. Dabo Sweeney is not 36 years old. Look around at who is dominating sports. It is old. The Harbaas are not in their 40s. Larry Ellison now, I've been told,

is 80. Warren Buffett just retired at 80 something. Is it 40-50s different from mid-70s? Not really. Okay. 75 is the new 55? Is that what you're saying? Well, I think people, I mean, I was talking to a friend the other day. You don't have to like Trump, but he plays much younger, energy-wise. He doesn't sleep. He literally doesn't sleep.

Biden was his age. Trump isn't. Pete Carroll and Nick Saban, to me, have the energy of a 54-year-old. I mean, there are people in our business that are 50 and feel like it and 60 and don't. So I don't buy, I mean, all I know is this. when I would never in a million years have a 30-year-old financial planner. I wouldn't even consider having a 30-year-old attorney. I have no interest in it. Give me older guy who's been around the block who's failed.

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All right, let's get started with the Kansas City Chiefs. Colin, Rishie Rice. Remember, he was lost last season with the knee injury back in week four. Pretty gruesome, I believe, was against the Chargers here at SoFi. Well, the report just came out that Rice, due to some off-field issues, has been sentenced to five years probation. That's significant. And 30 days of jail time stemming from his role in the multi-car crash.

last off season. The report adds that with the sentencing, the NFL can now expedite the disciplinary process, and Rice is likely, according to reports, to receive a multiple game suspension this season. Obviously, the Chief's wide receiver group was garbage last year. They need a healthy Hollywood Brown. They need a active Rishi Rice.

And obviously, Travis Kelsey, who has returned to form. But Xavier Worthy can't carry them with Rice out. They really need this guy back on the field, Colin. Yeah, he's more of a gadget. guy. I mean, it feels like a six-game suspension to me. I mean, you're running from a hit-and-run accident.

I mean, there's nothing lower than that. I mean, there probably is something, but that's brutal. He really developed from his rookie year to his second year. You were like, wow, he's a volume receiver. He's really good. He's really, really talented. But, you know what, man, there is, Kansas City's moved off a lot of receivers

and they keep winning. They'll be fine. But that feels like a six-game suspension minimum. Okay. To me. All right, let's move on to Jamar Chase, Colin. Oh boy, he had the Bengals' first ever season where they won the Triple Crown, leading the NFL in receptions, receiving yards, and touchdowns. Now he's got his sight center on another record. Two thousand yards. Chase believes that we'll see one very soon saying in the next three years somebody has to do it, if not me. What do you think of two thousand yards?

Is that reasonable? I don't think that's what you want. I don't want one receiver getting two thousand yards. First of all, if you get to 1800, you're going to be overcompensating as a team trying to get him the ball. By the way, you look at a lot of these guys that did it. Are there a lot

of Super Bowls? I guess Cooper Cup 1-1. Julio Jones went to 1. Let's take Jerry Rice out of the equation. Antonio Brown was a goofball. I guess the angle for 2,000 yards for chases, their defense is so bad. They just hemorrhage points all games.

So they're chasing. And Burroughs got to be throwing, so Chase is going to be putting up massive numbers. Yeah, I mean, that's a really good point. In today's football, if you have a receiver with 2,000 yards, because so many teams place zones, so many teams don't allow you to throw stuff over the top. So to get 2,000 yards, you have to have 130 catches, and they have T. Higgins. So what that tells you is they're trailing. They're in shootouts.

I don't want, you know, if I have 2,000-yard receivers, I would take that every day over a 10-Higgins. 2,000-yard receiver. I want a balanced offense. I mean, again, 2,000 yards means you are getting into track meets. Those teams don't win Super Bowls. I mean, the Bengals, I think, scored, like, over 30 points, like six times and lost a bunch of those games. Like, their defense is just bad. By the way, we should find out what's up with Hendrickson and their first-round pick. Cincinnati's just a mess.

Let's go to the NBA, Colin. Final story, the Lakers are in the news again, and it's not necessarily LeBron, but there are reports today that say, one of the reasons the Lakers haven't really done much this offseason is they are saving their cap space to make a run at Nicola Yokic or Yonis in the next couple of seasons. Obviously, Yokic and Luka are very close friends and people seem to think, hey, well, wait a second. Yokic did not sign the extension this summer. He said, let's wait until next summer. Now, obviously, he can make more next summer. But it might be two things.

It might be like, I can make more sure, but I don't want to see if we're good. Remember, they won the title and then lost in the second round, back-to-back years. Okay, so this will be, I'm going to push back. Luca fits better with Yonis. Because Yonis is a great rim defender. Yokic isn't. Yokic needs the ball. Yonis doesn't.

So Yokic is going to take the ball out of Lucas' hands and doesn't protect him on the back end as a defender. It sounds great. Yonis and Luca wins titles. They complement each other perfectly. One defends greatly. One doesn't. One needs the ball.

One doesn't. Yonis doesn't have an outside game. So he's not going to take any shots. He's going to get Alley Ups. He's going to get stuff close to. He's going to get stuff close to the basket. Yokic and Luka sounds better than it would be two. Now, I think Yokic, because of size, is a better defender than Luca.

I don't think he's a terrible defender. Luca is. But I don't think that, I mean, again, they'd be good. But I think one of the reasons Yokic works, with like Gordon. Gordon doesn't need the ball. Gordon's a great defender. Yokin sometimes has to be protected a little bit defensively. Luca has to be protected defensively. Yonis and Luca is perfect to me. You know, listen, this is not a bad take by you. It's better than your old man football take from a few minutes ago. But I do think you're right. Janus would be amazing.

Like, listen, you want to try to cut off Luca drives? He's just going to throw it up in the air and Giannis will catch and dunk everything. But I just also think, Yokic and Luca, the passing on that team, that might be the highest IQ team in basketball history. You don't, what in the world would you have to give me to get it? This story feels like such nonsense. I would not give up Yokic.

There is no package, none that you could offer me in the NBA. You can give me Chet Holmgren and SGA. Not interested. I'll take Yokch. Colin, it's different. What if Yokic says, I'm not signing an extension, trade me? Get me out of here. Denver would be handcuffed and say, well, fine, we could just play it out and lose him for nothing.

Or we could just trade him now and get whatever the hell we can. Okay, why would he do that? He's an international player. They don't demand trades. They have not. They have not demanded trades. Who's to say that they're not going to start doing that, Janus, Yokic. I, let's...

That's not... Yokic... Yokic wants to hide. You can hide in Denver if you're a basketball play. You can't hide in L.A. No, you can't. Not with the Lakers. No, that story doesn't have any legs. He, I mean, these international guys,

one of the reasons Yonis is loyal to Milwaukee, because the big cities south on the train down to Chicago, he can hide in Milwaukee. Yokic can hide in Denver. SGA can hide in Oklahoma City. Hey, you know who's hiding in L.A.? Show Hey, Otani. Haven't seen him around lately.

He's hiding. very well out here in Los Angeles, Colin. So it can be done. Yokic is seven feet tall, so it might be difficult. Yeah, I don't. I actually ran into Yokic at a restaurant in L.A. He's so, if he wasn't that big, you'd never know. He has no interest.

Did he mention me or the show or anything? No, no, he didn't mention you. No, he didn't. I'm not sure he knew who I was, but somebody pushed me toward him, and his brothers knew he didn't. I've heard the brothers are not to be, trifled with.

Yeah, I just, I don't buy that. The idea that everybody wants to play for the Lakers, no, they don't. They don't. 13% taxes. LeBron's going to run the ecosystem. There's a lot of politics for the Lakers. They do have new ownership, which is, you know, here comes from real competency. But I don't buy.

I thought the president was helping all the rich guys. Yolkes doesn't have to worry about the taxes. That's not an issue. And by the way, I mean, the flight from L.A. to Serbia in the offseason, that's a, that's like a puddle jumper. That's no big deal. I think L.A. makes a ton of sense. J. Mack with a news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeard Radio app.

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Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers.

This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys.

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Sunday on Fox, the Indy Car Series hits the streets of Toronto, where the fastest man on earth, Alex Palo looks to continue his season for the ages. Sunday, noon-eastern only on Fox. So Caitlin Clark announced that she won't participate in the WNBA All-Star festivities due to injury. And this is once again the WNBA not having everything lined up. So they put the All-Star game in Indiana because they got so heavily criticized for butchering her first year. And then they didn't have their officiating right. And she's been getting, you know, pushed around and clobbered.

It's very much Michael Jordan who got hurt in year two. Jordan breaks into the NBA. and as a phenom doesn't look like anybody else. And they didn't figure out the officiating for years and years. You were tackling him. So she re-injures her groin. The officiating is the low spot of the league. It looks like they've got their travel and their marketing upgraded.

The players recently voted her as the face of the league. So slowly they are kind of putting their arms around it, coming to terms with the fact that their top salesman and their top face, is Caitlin Clark. They didn't like it. They're acknowledging it, but they're not all lined up. The officiating remains suboptimal, and she's making the right decision. And my take for her now, she's getting to a point where she should be play for the fever, play in the Olympics.

And, you know, they've just, the WNBA has gone through several stages. The league wasn't ready for, should have been. The Olympic movement with women's basketball was petty, tribal, and clueless. The travel was second tier. The marketing was bad. The players were petty. But it's all kind of coming around. Everybody's kind of getting used to it.

WNBA players now, I think a little more, they've gotten criticized so broadly and so punitively that I think they're coming in terms with. Girl can play. But the officiating is bad. It is bad. We talked about it yesterday. I don't know the specifics,

but college officials make more than WNBA officials. That is indisputable. That can't be. be the case. So she's not going to participate. It's in Indiana. It would have been perfect, but they're just not quite lined up yet. The other thing, I think we made some news today. Urban Meyer, I believe Nick Saban, not that he's unhappy broadcasting, but every time I watch that show he's on, I want more of Nick Saban. He's an expert. I mean, he just walked out as the greatest coach in college football history. I'd argue Urban Myers, too. And I think,

Saban has that Jim Harbaugh itch. And I said, the NIL, Bama is not a top 10 NIL team. Their collective is not close to Oregon, Michigan, USC, Ohio State, Texas, Texas, Tech, Michigan. It's not, or Miami. So they're not going to buy out Kalin Nabor and pay $18 million a year to players and pay Nick $100 million for five years. They're not going to do it. They're not in the top 10 according to an on-three poll, which is a good. great, great company. They're not,

Auburn's got more money than they do. Okay, so they're not going to do that. He's not going to Bama. I don't think he's going to college football, and Urban Meyer discussed that 30 minutes ago. I don't think he'd go back to college. I don't see that fit. I think you're, you know, the whole idea that where the heck is Alabama? Why are they not in the top ten in spending? I don't understand that one.

And Coach DeBore, I'd be asking some hard questions, and say, what's the problem here? We can't compete, and we can't pay our players. So I agree with you. I would say very little to no chance he would get involved in college, but I think he would take phone calls from the NFL. I absolutely believe that is true,

and it comes down to basic math. I mean, Urban knows him well, is that the NIL now makes it almost impossible to roll, fire a coach with four years left on his contract, because these guys are all making 10 million now. 40 million, and then you're going to have to pay Nick 80 to 100 million? Nick's not coming back for a year. Even if he retires early, he wants a five-year no-cut deal.

And I would argue probably at 18 to 15 million bucks a year. So you're paying 60, 70 for him or whatever or 80. You're not going to pay off a guy 30, 40, 50 million, Kailen DeBore to get him out of the room. It's not going to happen. Those days are over. So, I mean, there may be an exception, but I doubt it very seriously. NFL is totally different.

He failed, although he had it, there were a lot of signs that it was going to work if Drew Brie signed with the Dolphins, but the team doctor said no can do. So, and the other thing that works in Sabin's favor is this coming draft, it would be a perfect time to leave. This would have been a bad year. he'll have another great year on television so he's the best college coach ever he's a superstar broadcaster and it's a great quarterback draft and so he used to coach in cleveland now i like stefansky a lot but if he could get archmanning and you bring in nick sabin i mean jimmy haslam like star power he wanted to draft baker mayfield and johnny mansell and he wanted to shon watson jimmy haslam who by the way i think he's a tennessee booster or tennessee greette he gets the power of

Saban, Arch Manning and Cleveland, it'd be the most talked about team in the league. Wouldn't be the best, maybe, be the most talked about team in the league. Jimmy Haslam, SEC guy, big money guy,

Tennessee, he knows the SEC. Keep your eye on Cleveland with Nick Saban. And I think it's a huge donor to Tennessee. And I also think keep your eye on the Dallas Cowboys. I think the Brian Chottonheimer thing is going to be a mess. And by the way,

In a, right now they're saying there's minimum four, possibly six first round quarterback. So you don't have to be terrible to have a shot at a quarterback. If you draft eighth, you could get the third best quarterback. Because remember, two years ago, the quarterback class, Cam Ward's going to work in Tennessee. And if J.J. McCarthy can play and Caleb Williams can play. And Michael Pennock, I think, can play. You just solved six teams quarterback. quarterback dilemmas. You're getting to a saturation point. How many teams next year? Now,

the Rams to get Stafford a backup, I think would give up two ones to move up to get a quarterback. Cleveland will. I mean, there's obviously teams that would, Indianapolis, the Colts would. But just keep your eye on it. It's Urban Meyer did not push back on it. And when I intimated, when I said, do you think Nick has a little itch? Just a little itch about the NFL. Urban said, it's more than a little itch. So there's a couple of people that know Nick Saban really well. Urban Meyer and Bill Belichick.

I mean, if Belichick goes to college, Sabin wouldn't revisit the NFL. And again, like Pete Carroll, he may be old, he doesn't act old, he doesn't coach old, he doesn't think old. Belichick, Trump and Saban. Successful, motivated. They're not going to sit back in retirement and go hang out on a lake. Some guys just need to work. They need to be challenged. And I don't think Saturdays on television challenges Saban enough.

I don't. Let me hit you with one. All this hot take happy hour started early, folks. Okay? Mahomes and the Chiefs backslide. Just a little, Andy Reid says, you know, I'm late 60s. I'm walking away. I got enough winning done.

That's a job. Nick Saban has taken in a heartbeat. Now, the Chiefs will have their pick of anybody. But if you could coach Patrick Mahomes or, like I said earlier, Josh Allen, I think those are the jobs Saban would go for. Do you really think a 73-year-old is going to want to take on a cowboy situation with an older owner, no quarterback, or even the Browns with a young guy? I know you said there's six quarterbacks.

He's not going back to the NFL to coach Drew Aller. I'm sorry, that's not happening. I think Saban would only take elite and the best of the best, which is what he should do. He's got a lot of enough money. Let me ask you. Zach Taylor doesn't make the playoffs again. Joe Burrell. Sean McDermott.

Well, that went on. Hold on. Now, Cincinnati's interesting because that ownership is so cheap, right? We've articulated that. Hushman Zada's been on here talking about it. I think you'd have to be careful going there. But, right? Sean McDermott gets bounced first round.

Yeah, Buffalo is, it would be the perfect spot. Kansas City, if Reed walks away. I don't think Shanahan's on the hot seat, but does he want to go back for Brock Purdy? He wouldn't go west. I had to get a Brock Purdy reference. Yeah, yeah, I'm not leaving, I'm not leaving Saturday sitting down making $10 million for Brock Purdy. I can tell you that. Hour three minutes.

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We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it, but, you know, tired and sick. Tired and sick. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it.

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