The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - The Steelers

Episode Date: March 21, 2025

Doug talks to Drake head coach Ben McCollum about their upset win over 6-seed Missouri Najee Harris takes another shot at Steelers   #douggottliebshow  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Wherever you may be, and however you may be making this part of your day. Thanks so much. I'm Doug Gottlie. In for Colin Cowherd. It's the second day of the NCAA tournament. It may be decision day for Aaron Rogers. We're getting closer and closer to the rest of Major League Baseball season getting underway. And hopefully where you are, it's as nice as the weather where I am, because spring has arrived.

And wow, is it nice? I know he had that midweek, little mini blizzard running through the northern Midwest. Outside of that, some nice weather along the way. Welcome in, and thanks so much for joining me. Colin is back on Monday. There are some similarities to Aaron Rogers, as you just heard from Dan Byer, who works with me on my show, the Doug Gottlieb Show, which broadcasts. Daily, 3 to 5 Eastern,

called to Pacific, Fox Sports Radio, Iheart Radio app. Dan reported that, or said the report is out that Aaron Rogers is visiting the Pittsburgh Steelers facility. And it's kind of interesting, right?

In college basketball, the portal opens on Monday and I don't know how many of you know this, but now there are lots of players that thought, going into the season, like, this is it, this is my last year. done. There are six-year seniors, seventh-year seniors, whatever, like, ha, I'm done. And then there was a ruling with the quarterback of Vanderbilt who went to junior college,

and I believe one of the years in junior college, they didn't have a season because of COVID, whatever. Anyway, he got an extra year, so now there's a blanket ruling where if you play junior college or N-A-I-A-Basket basketball, you get an extra year. So there are lots of guys who thought they were done. They're like, hey, you know what? I might go do this again. And they'll like Aaron Rogers, go and have a visit. And maybe, you know, they won't sign with Pittsburgh Steelers, but they'll sign with your team.

I bring it up because our next guest is the head coach of the Drake Bulldogs. He won four national championships at the Division 2 level. And I think in the summer, one of his star shooters, Mitch Muscari was going into the private sector, like he was going to go work for a living. And, well, let's just let Coach McCullum tell the story. The Drake Bulldogs win the Missouri Valley regular season, win their conference tournament championship. They're 31 and 3. Then they take down Missouri yesterday.

Now they get ready to take on Texas Tech, Grant McCaslin, who ironically told us just last hour. They scrimmage Drake in the secret scrimmage earlier this year, and now they play each other in the second. around the NCAA tournament. And Coach McCollum joins us on Fox Sports Radio. Ben, how are you? I'm great. How about yourself, Doug? Not as good as you, not with your team.

Okay, so help tell this story here, right? You get the Drake job, and Muscari was already working or was going to go work? What happened? Yeah, he was going to go work. You know, I got the Drake job, and I obviously had three coming with, and I thought Mitch was done. And he had a really good financial job in Chicago. He never ended up starting it, though, but he was going to start it, you know,

within the next couple months of graduation from Northwest Missouri State. And the last day he put his name in the portal, and I think he just did it, you know, just kind of making sure that, you know, if he wanted to, he could play again. And I was like, I wonder what he was thinking. So I called him, I'm like, well, do you want to play? He's like, I don't know. I was just kind of thinking about it. I said, well, if you want to do that, let's just do it here.

And said, okay. And so he thought about it for a while. And then eventually just, you know, decided, hey, this is something that I want to do. It was a tough decision for him because I couldn't give him a lot of advice because I knew I had something to gain from it. And so, you know, when kids trust you with advice and you have something to gain in the process, you know, You just can't really say you should do this, but he should do it. And obviously he ended up doing it, which has been great. What's it like to take this group, and so many of them, you mentioned you had three now four coming with from the division two level.

What's it like to go through this where everybody falls back on the story, hey, they're division two guys when you take them down. Going back to the preseason when you win in Charleston, you beat K State, you beat Vandy. what is what is that like for you when when you have a group of guys that you've been with at the division two level to play so well at this level you know it's been it's been a blast you know i think um i think the thing for for me in particular when you take this job it's it's it is a lonely feeling when you take over a job at this level and you don't have a lot of players like it's very lonely and when you're able to take three or four of your guys, four of your guys with you, and show up day one,

and at least, you know, you've got guys that are, you know, essentially in your foxhole, right? And guys that are going to fight for what the program means and fight for your culture and fight for the effort and that sort of thing. And so it was a big deal to get them, obviously, it was a big deal to get everybody, though. And a lot of those guys came on just blind faith. where it's like they didn't have to come to Drake for an unproven at Division 1, Division 2 guy. And they did. And so obviously it became, you know, everybody together, everybody connected, and it was fun. Sturts, you know, when we prepare for you guys, we were like, holy cow, this is the best guy we've seen all year.

And granted, we're the Horizon League, but we played Oklahoma State, we played Ohio State, we played Providence. And, I mean, he's a special player. When did you first see Sturts play in high school? When he was a junior, when he was a junior, he made the state championship, I believe, and lost in the state title game. And no one really was recruiting him at the Division I level, and I didn't understand why. So then we chose to recruit him at the Division II level.

And I thought at that point I'm like this kid is no-brainer, mid-major, you know, we're going to steal another one. You know, obviously now he's probably, you know, fringe NBA, and I think eventually he's probably going to be an NBA player, you know, when it's all said and done. He just had such a good demeanor. He's an elite pastor. He's an unselfish person. He's an unselfish player. You know, and he listens and wants to be good. he just gets it. And so it certainly helps that he's on our team. And, you know, it also helps

that we coach him for two years. You know, I coach him for two seasons prior. And so that really benefited us as well. No, no doubt. Was there any special hitching his giddy up because it was Missouri? No, not really. I think Kansas State it was. I think it was just the NCAA tournament was probably he was excited about. Because, you know, to be quite honest, it's like, you know, I had another guard Trevor Hudgens for a while. Well, you know, like, and everybody's like, well, why didn't K State offer him? Because he wasn't good enough for K State right away. Right, right.

That's why they didn't offer. Right. If you saw him when he was 16, you would have said he's not good enough. You know, I had that. And I don't, I don't know if I can, I can't say, obviously, guys' names, whatever. I don't know, in portal, not in portal. But, yeah, we played against a guy this year who lit us up at the Division 2 level. And they were, you know, after the game, like, well, why didn't you offer him?

him. Like, well, I wasn't here. And when I got here, he wasn't in the portals. Like, I don't know, like, we do ask things of people which are, it, which are unfair. Do you, does, I think everyone knows that if you can coach at the division two level, you can coach division one level. Bruce Pearls proved that. You've proved that. Others have as well. Does this change in your mind, the perception of recruiting division two players to transfer up the division one level? no it probably does but that's because people don't think for themselves times you know i mean it's it's like oh d2 players are great let's everybody go get 25 d2 players because there's a recency biased already to it and and so it's it i don't know like i think too often you know in

college coaching and even hiring coaches and stuff like that it becomes a a biased um you know all of a sudden because a D2 guy has success, every D2 guy can have success. And that's just not, that's just not the case. Or, you know, an NAA guy can be just as good. A juco guy can be just as good. And same concept for players. Like, just because some Division II guys have success doesn't necessarily mean that every D2 guy is going to have success. But it does mean that you can find good players anywhere and you just kind of have to trust your own eye on some of those things. And And in today's society, it's a lot more difficult to trust your own eye just because social media and all those different things that are like, you know, even when we took this job. And, you know, there's probably 50-50 split where, you know, 50% of fans would be like, man, I can't wait to watch these guys.

I think they'll be great. And then there's another 50% that was like, I can't believe they're taking D2 guys. And they're going to be awful. And so you just can't listen to that noise. You just got to trust yourself, and that's what we did. And, you know, we got a little lucky, too, you know, where just those guys showed up and competed, and there's a heck of a run, and it still continues to be that.

Ben McCollum, head coach, Drake, the Bulldogs are 31 and 3, and they take on Texas Tech, the Red Raiders, who they faced in a secret scrimmage. How much can you take from the secret scrimmage in getting ready for a second-round in NCAA game? man i don't know um i don't know because they're i mean they're just so well coached you know i just think they're you know they've got obviously hired one of my others uh he's got he's got grant who's one of my close friends who's got linder who i talked to about every day uh he's got luke

who actually played for me luke barnwell chokie moroccoe who's he's uh c who's i saw it's like their whole staff is uh really close to me and so um i'm not sure how much you can take from that. You know, I don't think either of us really totally prepared for it, if that makes sense, meaning, you know, those scrimmages, it's better that, I think a lot of people try to win those scrimmages. Obviously, you always want to win everything you do, but more importantly, you want to see what works, see what lineups work, and so I'm not sure how much you can actually take from

that scrimmage. Yes, I wish you would have told me that. I tried to win my scrimmage, and then I was like, at the end of it's like, why did I try to win my scrimmage? I was trying to show, you know, a group of young guys, build them confidence in what we are doing, and have one more point than the opponent. But, again, these are just learning lessons as you only learn by doing. Ben McCullum joining us, who is the Drake head coach.

Okay, so you went from turning down lots of jobs that didn't fit. Why did Drake fit? A couple reasons. One, I really like the athletic direction. Brian Harden, I thought he had a good vision for the program. Two, it was, you know, close to home. Probably, you know, a Midwest guy doesn't mean I, you know, would never live in any other place in the country,

but, you know, initially just that first jump, I wanted to make sure that it was also beneficial for my family to get closer to family. And then, you know, it was just the right time. You know, I started to notice that, I started to notice that I started to notice that I, I wasn't choosing to come back to Northwest. I was choosing to not take jobs.

And I think when you start to trend that direction, I think that probably gives you the indication that it's probably time to come out of your comfort zone a little bit and just see what you could do. And then they were super patient in the process. Drake was. I think that a lot of these schools, when they hire, which I understand, you know,

they offer you the job the next day you got to decide. And it's not really the nature of me. And so it's my greatest strength and greatest weakness is my patience. But, you know, sometimes it's just what it is. And this one just worked out perfect. And, you know, I got put in a good position and I'm very thankful for it. Okay. So with that, though, now comes added speculation.

There's other jobs available. How do you handle that, right? Will Wade is like, hey, I'm taking it in C-State like. that's happening and people are like, whoa, wait, that's, that's weird. How are you handling the now speculation about what could be next for you? Yeah, you know, the same way I've done it for years. I really try not to, my personality doesn't allow me to have a divided heart, if that makes sense.

And so I think some people can, can multitask and do, you know, what Will Wade is, take a job and still focus on his team and still focus on everything else associated with it. I'm just different in a personality. It doesn't make me right. It doesn't make him wrong. It's just how I do things. And so my attention and my kids know that my attention is on them

and making sure that we're at our best and that I fight for what they are. And again, has it hurt me in the past? It absolutely has. But it's helped me create a level of loyalty with the people surrounding. the program because it's like I know I know where his heart is at like I know where it's at you know regardless of you know all these things and speculation and stuff like that is

you know I'm making sure that I fight for Drake and fight for these kids and fight for these players and you know that's what I've done for seven eight years and approved it and I'll continue to do it the same way all right most important question is when did you start the white shirt solid tie look A long time ago I probably

gosh I bet 2016 probably somewhere in that range because I know I had it 2017 because that was our first national championship probably 2016 maybe even earlier

you know I I used to wear just different colored ties different color shirts you know different everything and then I was like man I don't even want to make a decision today because we got to make 10,000 decisions in the game so So I was just, you know, I always was fascinated by Billy Donovan and they just wore a white shirt.

So I just wore a white shirt. And you don't. Okay. So then the follow up is, is that the same blue tie or are there multiple blue ties that that look alike? It is the same blue tie. Always the same blue tie. Yep. It saves the same blue tie.

How do you not get a spot? How do you not get anything on it? Do you not get coffee on it? I get something on it. Yeah, it's used now. It's used. News and abused, my man, that's the beauty of it. What do you think of our team is?

We're a bunch of scrappers now. That's what we do. So it's... There's no backup tie. There's no backup tie. No. No, heck no. No, heck no. No, we just...

Tie is who we are in the team, man. We're not perfect. And, you know, sometimes we're bruised and battered, but we're always fighting. So that's pretty good. I just made that up. But no, it's the same time all the time. Well, listen, I appreciate that when I got,

we got a check for my coaching clinic that I was able to watch over on the other sideline. I had no doubt of what would happen yesterday. I'm really interested in what happens tomorrow. We wish you the best of luck, and we'll talk soon. Thanks so much for joining us. Yes, thanks for having me on. I appreciate it. It's Ben McCullum.

He's the head coach of the Drake Bulldogs. He's won four national title. at the division two level in his first year at Division 1. They are 31 and 3 on the year. Coming up next in The Herd, I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Colin. Guess who took another shot at the Pittsburgh Steelers? You'll find out next in The Herd. One more Herd?

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Jerry Doolock, who covers the team, reports that Aaron Rogers is visiting the Steelers training facility. As we told you yesterday, that tracks in timing and location. So, Najee Harris is now a former stealer, right? Naji Harris said this about the Pittsburgh Steelers' offense when he was a stealer. It was just a team where, you know, we lost Ben, we lost a lot of O-line. We just didn't know anything on offense, really. We didn't have an identity. We had a young guy coming out quarterback.

You know, I was young. The team was young. And I really didn't have nobody to almost learn from the offensive side. I think the veteran guy on that team was like a two, three. year vet and that's me I mean like he's still learning himself and I'm coming in and you know I'm just trying to look for people to

you know pick their brain off of and it was just defensive guys so I'll go to the defensive guys to talk to them but you know it wouldn't be too much they could tell me about the offensive thing you know I mean so it was interesting years there I'll just say that yeah I mean so he they were too young

and didn't have an offensive culture And look, if you're Aaron Rogers, like that's got a, that's actually has to, I think, make you even more drawn to Pittsburgh. Like, how could that be, be more drawn to Pittsburgh? What Aaron doesn't work well with is somebody else's system and somebody else's kind of rigidity. I don't think he will deal well with rigid people. Does that mean that it's going to be Aaron's way or the highway? No, again, this is just a guess.

but the difference between the Steelers and the Jets and their approach is the Jets made it clear and made it public that if Aaron wanted to come back, he would have to give up, you know, the McAfee thing. Now, I don't know for a fact if Tomlin will make him give up the McAfee thing, but my guess is they will, but they'll never make it public. right there'll be some sort of like hey look you can go pop on here a couple times in the offseason if you take the take the gig here but like what are we doing it's your tuesday it's your day off like

get away from it get away from the media like if you want to be here for a year let's just try and go one of a bucket let's just try and go one of a bucket and and no one understands this more than me right i host the national radio show i coach a college basketball team we we didn't play well in year one uh we weren't good enough in year one nobody cares about it injuries or having too many younger players or any of that, or getting the job two months after the portal had opened? Like, no, nobody actually cares. So optics do.

But in this particular case, if it's one last year and you've done the two years of McAfee's show and football, and wouldn't it be interesting, right? Because didn't we have Cam Hayward? And he said, do you want to be a Pittsburgh Steeler, not have a be a Pittsburgh Steeler? That did happen, right? We did play that?

He said that on his own podcast. The point is, he said it on his own podcast. People only want to pick out these things when something's not going well. When it goes well, nobody says like, oh, hey, by the way, he's got a podcast. Does Cam Hayward have to give up his podcast? Here's Cam Hayward two days ago, three days. I ain't doing that darkness retreat. I don't mean any of that crap.

Like, either you want to be a Pittsburgh Steel or you don't. That's simple. That's the pitch. If you want me to recruit, that's the recruiting pitch. You know, Pittsburgh Steelers, if you want to be part of it, so be. If you don't, no scare on my back. Yeah. But the point of it is not just like, hey, you know what or get off the pot.

That's part of it. But it's also, doesn't he have a podcast of his own? Doesn't they have a podcast of his own? I don't think that Najee Harris is saying anything. that most people didn't know. They were a rudderless ship. You can't have that much youth, that much inexperience. Even if there are guys who athletically are past their prime.

We just talked to, we just talked to Ben McCollum, who's the head coach of Drake. What did he say about the players that he has? Like, hey, I had to have some guys. He's got older guys. Benjamin Sturts, Ben Sturts, who's their best player. This is his third year playing for his. his coach. So you don't have to, do you have to go and teach everything? Sure, but you don't have to teach everything two or three or four times. And you don't have to, how people act and react when

adversity strikes, when lineups get screwed up, when whatever happens. You know, so much of coaching is about teaching guys to push through adversity, but specifically how you view them pushing through adversity collectively. You can't do that when you have all young guys. They've never experienced that before. They can't draw on both positive and negative memories of the past. Interesting days in Pittsburgh. And it'll be interesting to see if Aaron Rogers can write that chip and give them an offensive identity.

All right. Let's get to some of the other news. Here's Ryan Music with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, Doug. On that quick point.

point there. Quick point here on that Aaron Rogers news. So as you pointed out, Jerry Dulac covering the Steelers for the Pittsburgh Post Gazette initially put out the report about Rogers. He has followed that up with a bit more information. He has posted on

his Twitter or X, whatever you want to call it. Sources have cautioned a commitment from Rogers may not come today, if at all. Just visiting with coach Mike Tomlin and general manager Omar Con. Hey, I'm just hanging out. Hey man, I listen I was in Pittsburgh and I happened to find myself in the neighborhood and was just wondering what you guys were up to.

What is it? Is Pitt University of Pittsburgh? Correct. It's the Tower of Learning? It's a Tower of Learning or Tower of Not? What is it? They have this big tower. I think it's called the Tower of Learning.

I don't know. Somebody will hit us up on the gram. Cathedral of Learning? Oh, sorry. No, that's University of Pittsburgh Cathedral of Learning. Is that what it is? at a University of Pittsburgh website, Cathedral of Learning. It's Cathedral of Learning?

If this is what you're referring to. Yeah. Yeah, it's a big, big building on campus. I was just, I love the, you know, he's a big architecture guy. I love the architecture of Cathedral Learning, and I just happened upon your practice facility, and I just thought, hey, what if, why not, I'll just stop by. Hey, how about you?

How about me? We just chat. All right, so that's the latest. Aaron Rogers is in Pittsburgh. Aaron Rogers is meeting with people of the Pittsburgh Steelers organization. No decision considered imminent. May not get a decision at all.

So the cloud of murky information surrounding Aaron Rogers continues. All right. A quick update also as well. Let's talk some March Madness, of course. We have halftime. Baylor, five point lead over Mississippi State. halftime, Robert Morris, keeping it close with number two seed Alabama, 40 to 36. Those two games are at half, and we just tipped off 14-seed Lipscomb, taken on three-seed Iowa State.

Bobby Moe, we lost to Bobby Moe twice. We're up 17. The first time we played them, down three starters, and then they had a 28-0 run. I was like, man. What just happened? Yeah. That, uh... I mean, if you saw it, be like, I don't know.

Is that a life comes out you quick kind of thing? It did. It did. Okay. I mean, we missed, I think, seven shots at the rim during that time. It just snowballed on you. Like, what are we doing here? Okay.

Well, you know, listen, no need to pick up the scabs. Let's move on from it. Scabs will continue to be picked. Okay. Listen, hey, you taking that upon yourself. I'm not going to sit here and argue with you. All right. Here we go.

Let's head on some news items here. NFL football. The consensus, Cam Ward's going to. going to be the first quarterback taken in the upcoming NFL draft. A lot of questions about where Shadur Sanders will end up landing. Well, what Sanders does know is that his pocket passor skill set him up for success in the future. I mean, it always worked in the league. Look at the history of the league.

Not everybody was, you know, big time runners back then, back in the day. So you got the greatest quarterback ever time. Brady, he ain't run too much. So I feel like the best thing for me is to play from the pocket. and that's what I'm most comfortable in. Now, the difference is I'm able to adjust to my team. So if I need to be, if I need to, you know, take different type of drops,

if I need to be able to get a little bit more active, then I'm able to do that and adjust my game. I mean, he brings up a great point. You know, we love the big-time dynamic quarterbacks, but it sort of feels like, I mean, Jalen Hertz is about the only true dual-th threat quarterback that we've seen win a Super Bowl in recent memory. Obviously, Cam Newton got close. And, you know, today's modern quarterback, like a Patrick Mahomes, is pocket passer who can run when the team necessitates.

But these dual-threat quarterbacks that we become enamored with haven't necessarily been the ones winning Lombardi trophies. Oh, I totally agree with that. He's absolutely right. What's interesting about Shedore Sanders is, if he wasn't Dion Sanders kid, You wouldn't think he's a great athlete. And he's not. Sure, yeah, yeah. He's kind of Ben Rathesperger-like in that he will, he'll take a hit, he'll hold the ball longer and maybe a little bit too long.

And Ben was a big old, you know, Ben was a tight end up until his senior year in high school. So Shador Sanders is a really good athlete. He's just not an elite level runner. It's just, I think people think, well, he's Deion's son, so he's got to be super fast. and that's not actually the case. Like, is he faster than, like, you and me? Like, yeah, he's a great athlete, he's a quarterback. But is he, is he, Lamar Jackson, is he, you know, pick?

No. Yeah, and I think ultimately that's sort of. And you don't have to be. Sure. You don't have to be. That's the knock on Lamar, right? Lamar has improved from the pocket. Is he good enough from the pocket to win it all?

Right. And I think that's ultimately sort of why a lot of the consensus as people are landing on Cam Ward right now is his raw, skill set and athleticism has a higher end than what we've seen from Chador and to what Choudre was saying there in that interview on the NFL network is he's like, hey, I mean, I am athletic, but I just get it done from the pocket. So certainly going to be interesting to see exactly where Chadur falls. A lot of range between, hey, he could be taken second to, oh no, he's in a free fall down

the draft board. We'll stay in the NFL here, Doug. The Eagles are keeping their all-pro linebacker, Zach Bond, re-signing the breakout star after their Super Bowl win. Well, Bonn, after getting his new deal to stay in Philadelphia, he thinks they're just getting started. Here's what he had to say. I think about what we did

in year one with so many new pieces, coaches and players included, I'm really excited to build on what we did last year. You see this Eagles team as a sort of a potential back-to-back type of championship team? I don't know. They've lost a lot

of pieces. Now, last time, they lost pieces, but they also lost both coordinating. That not the case this year Well they did They lost our office coordinator right He went to the Went to the Northern Saints That is correct

So but defense coordinator remains the same The answer is no only in that If we use history as our guide Sure of course We use history as our guide Do they have Did they draft for this

And they have a lot of young pieces? Yes do they still have Sequin Barclay? Absolutely I'll also point this out Okay The argument against signing a Sequin Berkeley to a long-term deal with the Giants or any of these other running backs wasn't about year one. It was about years two and especially year three. That running backs are like, pick your favorite foreign car, are they always in the shop?

And, you know, Philadelphia didn't have to, but they did double down on Saquan Berkeley because he performed at such a great level, which I think will change the running back market towards the future. but that still doesn't answer the question, can guys, can a running back like that, stay healthy after having essentially a 2,000-yard season and then a Super Bowl-winning postseason? Sure, I mean, look, it's obviously well-documented now what the 49ers have been dealing with with Christian McCaffrey. And, you know, he's built a little different than Sequin.

Saquan, I guess you would say, is obviously a little bit of a thicker running back, although they do have a lot of some, not a lot of the same skill set, but some definite overlap. And, you know, unfortunately for Christian, the story of his career was early in Carolina, he had those back-to-back seasons where he was just an absolute workhorse and super productive. And then he was injured for two seasons after that. And then moved, got traded to 49ers, has had two productive or had like a half season of production in San Francisco and then had that huge season where they went to the Super Bowl.

and then he was hurt again this entire year. So to your point, there is always going to be concerns outside of like a Derek Henry who's seemingly, despite how many times you give him the rock, he's just going to somehow get stronger, some type of like aberration. But yeah, definitely some concerns that if you give a guy that many touches year after year,

at some point you might expect that there could be some injury regression coming. We'll wrap up with this, Doug. Former Panthers and Commander's head coach Ron Rivera has a new gig. he is being named the general manager for Cal Football. Welcome to college sports in 2025. This also comes on the heels of Stanford, making Andrew Luck, their GM of the football team, and Steph Curry taking on a role with his alma mater at Davidson.

So I'm just kind of curious to run this by you as a current head coach in college athletics. What do you make of these programs bringing in sort of general managers and obviously sort of a top-down structure resembling that of the pro models we've seen? Well, I think it's needed because it's a lot. I mean, I'm technically the general manager and head coach program. So between NIL budgeting, you know, actually have to do it all. We just don't have the resources for that. You don't need to pay Steph Curry for it.

I think it's honestly fascinating. Now, Adrian Wojianowski actually does the work with. St. Bonaventry. He helps them in recruiting, identifying players and in raising them up, you know, budget, all that other stuff. I don't think Steph's a figurehead, but I think he's a figurehead, meaning like

he didn't have time to be watching kids. He's got his own camp. Obviously, he has the Under Armour connection. And, you know, I'm not sure if they're paying him, or if he's donating, or how it's all working. I also just think it's a great reminder to

people like what year did Steph Curry play at Davidson want to take guess what years what year did he finish playing at Davidson wasn't it like 2010 or something like that or 2009

do you know I mean Tui do you know what what year because remember the NCAA tournament year was his sophomore year his junior year they made the NIT.

They didn't make it. And then he left early for the NBA. And some idiot went on ESPN and was like, yeah, I don't know if he's ready yet. Oh, that idiot was me. Anyway, the point is that Steph Curry, okay,

played at Davidson a long time ago. A long time ago. He, you're talking about a guy who, his college stats, right? 2009 was the last year. This is 2025. So as much as we all know, he played Davidson,

I remember when they beat Georgetown the tournament. I remember all that stuff. Current college kids, not as much. And so this, I do think, helps reinvigorate. I know a couple, I know a player who went in the transfer portal yesterday. I asked somebody about, hey, what about this guy? And they're like, yeah, Steph Curry is already going to. He went to Steph Curry's camps.

He's all about Steph Curry's going to days. So I think that's really a little bit more what this particular one is about. 2009, don't you feel old? That's Ryan Music with the News. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News.

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You're a hater! Like, let's not call it it as Doug. A Doug! You're a hater! Okay, let me read you their starting lineup. Okay, Gabe Vincent, okay, who's technically their backup point guard. I know he started the Miami Heat team that went to the NBA finals, but let's just be honest.

Jordan Goodwin. Okay? Jackson Hayes, Dalton Connect, and Marquif Morris. Up the bench was Cam Reddish, Trey Jameson, Shake Milton, Alex Len, and Brony James. That was the entirety of players. The only Laker who dressed that did not play was Christian Coloco, who of course is played in Arizona, the young big guy.

So it was, or, you know, if you want to do in major league baseball terms, a bullpen day, it's a bullpen day. So, Brony had 17 points last night. Shot the ball well. 2 of 4 from 3, 7 to 10 from the line, 7 to 10 from overall. Hit a free throw. Ends up with 17, 5, 3. Did have 4 assists. Was a minus 36.

But, hey, shake Milton, who's, you know, started for the Philadelphia 76ers, he was a minus 37. wasn't the only one that was a big minus. They got beat 1-18 to 89. So, kind of like empty calories, those are empty stats, but let's not kid ourselves. Those are far and away his best stats and his, the most minutes that he's played in the NBA.

So he's trended upwards in the G League, and that's his first trend upwards in the NBA. Here's his head coach, J.J. Renick, after the game. You know, we've obviously monitored him in the G and feel like he's, you know, in those sort of end-game situations, when he's gotten a chance to play with us, he's been really good.

So not surprised by tonight. And I think his confidence is growing, because you mentioned the word comfort. That's certainly there for him. And I think the next step is just, you know, becoming like an elite-conditioned athlete. because when he does that with his physical tools and just his burst and his handle, and, you know, we think he's going to be an above average to really good NBA shooter.

Yeah, that doesn't sound, there's a bunch of compliments there, but there was also something there that I heard that didn't sound like a compliment. when he gets into elite physical condition. That's a very, very nice political way of saying, hey, imagine if he was in shape. Now, in fairness to Brony, played 30 minutes last night. I mean, he ain't ever played 30 minutes

or come close in the NBA, and when you play 30 minutes and you're not used to playing that much, you're going to be gassed. But when your coach says, hey, when you get into elite physical condition. Now, the other part is like, well, he's been good.

for us. When? When was that moment in end game when he's been good for you? You know, he played 16 minutes, 15 minutes, and 12 minutes. That's the most he's played all year. And up until yesterday, he had the second lowest field goal percentage of anybody in the NBA. It's an important distinction. It's like when people say, oh, they said Jalen Hertz couldn't throw or Lamar Jackson couldn't throw like nobody said they can't it's not like they it's like tim tibo that used to throw ground balls to people it's non-spirals was he trying to spike that or was he trying to throw that one for a first down that that's not what we're saying well you're saying you're comparing it's not like shadur sanderson you're comparing all right can you throw like mahomes can you throw like her cousins

can you throw like erin rogers can you throw like josh allen can you throw like you know it's a the the eval is quite different but when you say once he gets into elite physical condition that means he's not in great shape

I would push back on JJ on whether or not he can be an elite shooter when he's never been an elite shooter at any level ever before so no I'm not going to take back my eval but yes it's pretty obvious that he still has confidence and he's improving that's the halfway I'll meet you

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