The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - The truth about the little guy

Episode Date: January 8, 2025

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Thanks for Megan S, part of your day. Greg Olson, stopped by, Drew Brees, last hour, and Peter Schrager in about five minutes. J. Mack tomorrow, it is Penn State and Notre Dame. Following day, it's Texas and Ohio State. So it's a lot of blue bloods. Here we go in college football. It's for the biggest names. If you were in the college football business as a network, getting Notre Dame, Penn State, Texas, Ohio State,

you're probably only missing Michigan or, you know, to be honest with you, USC, but you're not missing much. This is kind of the crem della cram of the big brands of college football. Texas, Ohio State, Notre Dame, and Penn State checks a lot of boxes. Yeah, I just did my write-up for Fox Sports for the games. Penn State, Notre Dame under feels like probably the best bet of the two guys. games? Yeah.

First to 17 probably wins this, you know, two coaches who are going to be a little cautious, really good defenses. And I know you like Riley Leonard, but he's limited as a quarterback throwing the football, Colin. Come on. All right. Very negative. I will say the Chicago Bears are interesting.

Three stories on the Bears today. The GM Ryan Poles does not rule out trading for the Bears next head coach. Interesting. The Bears will interview Pete Carroll on Thursday. I like that. Interesting. And the Cowboys deny Bears. permission to interview Mike McCarthy, meaning Mike's going to get an extension probably in Dallas.

I was thinking about this this morning, is that if I was Caleb Williams, and I'm not going to get a big say in who the coach is, and he probably shouldn't, right? I'd like to hear his opinion, but not make the decision. I'd give the Bears about one year with this new coach, and if I don't feel good, I'd have no problem if he demands a trade. I mean, if Jim Harbaugh can take the 32nd rank defense with no action. added personnel of note outside of a couple corners in the draft in the fifth round. And now they're the first ranked defense. In a division with Reed and Mahomes, he made the playoffs.

One year, mostly the same personnel outside of Ladd-McConkey and Joe Alt in the couple of fifth round corners. If Sean Payton can have the most dead cap money in the NFL, rookie quarterback, in a division with Herbert and Mahomes and make the playoffs. If Dan Quinn in a division with the Eagles can win 12 games, games with a rookie quarterback in year one and only one other pro bowler, Terry McClureen, then I think with Chicago's roster, which is pretty good, they have to be a viable playoff team next year. They have to be in the 9, 10, 11 win category.

I think Caleb Williams has to be firm. I think he's been great at the podium. I think he's been very mature. There's a lot of stuff people said about him and the paint in the fingernails and jumping into the stands to hug your mom and getting emotional. But I would be firm. I'm watching Harbaugh do what he did in a year. Dan Quinn first year with a rookie, Sean Peyton with a rookie,

D'Amico Ryan's and C.J. Stroud got to the playoffs with a wonky ownership situation. I don't want to hear that it takes time. No, it doesn't. And I don't take that much time. You get the right coach, Kevin O'Connell. You can take a quarterback viewed as a bust, Sam Darnold, and 13, 14 wins. So this idea that it's going to be this slow growth trajectory, no, no, no, Sean Peyton, Dan Quinn, Harbaugh, They're showing you the way. I'm not going to be real patient.

If the first year comes in and, I mean, look at this year. Clock management, Hail Mary, on his third coach, the organization has let him down. From week 12 on, I think we said this a couple days ago, he had as many touchdown passes as Patrick Mahomes. I don't think it's on Caleb. Wasn't perfect, but it's not on him. With that, we bring in our trusted source. Peter Schrager is joining us. live. Fox NFL kickoff Sunday in the fall on Fox.

So let's start with the Bears. I said before, I do think this is a big lift. If you look at the executive suite, the history, the division, this is not just, hey, I'm going to go get a clever coordinator. I kind of feel like I'd like a guy with somewhere on the tires of Ravel of Pete Carroll, trade for Mike Tomlin. Your thoughts on what you're hearing, Shregs? Well, there's a lot of cooks in the kitchen. You've got Ryan polls as the GM who's running the search with Kevin Warren, who's the president of the team, who previously was with the Vikings as the president, but it was also the Big Ten Commissioner. He has a big voice, and you got the McCaskey family and George McCasky, and then you've got

several lieutenants who are going to have a say in this, but you have that logo and you have that quarterback. They're going and they are lifting over every single stone to find a coach. We're talking about a team that's going to be interviewing Mike Kafka, who was a non-play-calling offensive coordinator for the New York Giants this year. They're interviewing him for the head coaching job. David Shaw, who's been out of the NFL and obviously has a career at Stanford, but has not been the active coach of Stanford.

They're going to meet with everyone. I would think they missed the boat on the Jim Harbaugh the last couple of years. They missed the boat on the Sean Payton. They don't want to miss the boat on one of these candidates that they can come in there that's going to clean this up. Ben Johnson, from my sources, is interested in the job. That's all I would need to hear if I'm the Chicago Bears. Vrable's likely talking New England.

You're going to go down this road. You're going to meet with all these different coaches. Put all your eggs in that basket. Go get Caleb Williams, the hottest offensive coordinator in football the last three years. And if he has a even faint interest in being the Chicago Bears head coach, considering the dysfunction that he has seen from across that sideline the last few seasons, you've got to entertain that and make it happen. I know they're going to meet with Pete Carroll.

I think that's good. Bring in Pete Carroll. Let's hear what Pete Carroll's got to say. Pete Carroll's got a Super Bowl ring and several other things going for him. Let's hear. But I would think Ben Johnson with Caleb Williams is the number one goal. And if Ben Johnson's interesting, so I'll tell you, Ben Johnson is not interested in every job. Ben Johnson's not taking an interview with the Jets.

Caleb Williams is very attractive to Ben Johnson. Go get that interview. And don't have you interview him. This is the rare guy where you go in there and you say, Ben Johnson, let us interview you, but let us pitch ourselves to you. And why, after you didn't entertain Carolina two years ago, when that job most likely was his, you didn't entertain Washington last year

and it's a great upset and frustration from the Washington commanders, you walked away from that job. Let us tell you why you should take this job, because I think there's an arrogance of some of these franchises, and I'm not saying the Bears are one of them, where they think that these coaches need to spill over and tell them why they need to be the next head coach. This is a rare instance.

Ben Johnson's that dude, go and tell him that you are going to be that guy, you're going to be that team, and you're going to support him, and he's willing to come in and reestablish the Bears. is not a joke of a franchise. I made the argument yesterday. I didn't think it was a great year to be a head coach looking for work. I think the bears and the jets are impulsive and historically a bit dysfunctional.

And then Gerard Mayo got fired. And I said yesterday, Shreggs, there's a difference between dysfunctional and just needing a new coach. For instance, the Chargers. They had a left tackle. They had Herbert. The Spanos is they're not big. meddlers. It's a good revenue. They're in a big market. They had Derwin James. They had a Bosa, Kalil Mack. They had a lot of good players. They needed. They needed shore up the

offensive line. They needed leadership. That wasn't a broken franchise. They'd been good for a long time with a lot of players. I'm going to argue that with Kraft, Drake May, and, you know, an elite corner, I don't think they're, I think they've got a couple of pieces on offense. I think if I'm Mike Vrable, this feels like the best job to me because I know the Jets and the Bears are interested in Vrable. Tell me I'm wrong. I don't think New England's a bad job.

Mike Frabble's going to meet with the Patriots tomorrow. They've already fulfilled their ruling rule requirements, having met with Byron Lefich and Pep Hamilton. If I am the New England Patriots and I am Mike Vrable, I'm getting that thing done as soon as possible. It makes so much sense, Colin. And they don't only have Drake May, who, without standing this season, despite a porous offensive line and no-skill position players, they have $130 million in cap space. There's a lot to like there.

And for as many people who have burned bridges with the Patriots organization and go out, kick it and screaming, Mike Frable was traded by the Patriots, was traded by the Bill Belichick regime, and yet has come full circle. he came back to Foxborough. He had his ring of honor ceremony. He's in the Patriots Hall of Fame. And if you look at his ex profile, and if you care anything about it, the picture is of him and Teddy Bruske lincoln arms like this.

Yeah. He was really savvy in how he built his contract with the Browns. He didn't want to get out of football. He didn't want to spend this year doing TV like Bella Check or like Sean Payton did with us. He wrote this contract up with his agents where he would be free of,

his contract with Cleveland in week 17, not week 18, which meant, based on the rules for hiring, he was not under contract with any team in that first week of coaching hiring and interviews, which means Mike Vrable could meet in person with these teams this week. Ben Johnson, Aaron, Glenn, Matt Nagy, and Steve Spagnolo, the coordinators for the number one seeds, they're the only other people who are currently still in the playoffs, who are allowed to meet with teams, and they've got to do it over Zoom. So by Vrable getting out of this contract one week early with the Cleveland Browns where he said there's a consultant in tight ends. He's able to go and do the pitch in person.

And I will tell you, he blew the jets away last Friday, blew him away. And that might have rattled the cage a bit in New England. They make their move. They're out with Mayo. They can meet with Mike Vrable in person where I assure you there will be warm feelings. And they have done everything they had to do from a league perspective. All they've got to do is say, hey, here's the amount of money if it's going to make sense. here's who you can bring in as your assistant coaches.

Here's your budget for that. And this thing could be done by Thursday if they wanted to be. Wow, good stuff. Okay, Raiders are fascinating. So I wouldn't have fired Antonio Pierce. I mean, God, they beat Mahomes last year in Arrowhead, and they should have beat him this year in Arrowhead with Aden O'Connell. And by the way, in a division with Sean Payton and Harbaugh and Herbert and Mahomes and Reed.

They were very competitive. In fact, they were three and one in division last year. I would have let him go for another year. I don't think he was the issue. It's more of an ownership situation. But their job is fascinating because they've got your Brock Bowers. They've got a left tackle. They've got some Pete.

They got Max Crosby. There are some boxes. They got some boxes that are important. They need a quarterback. I know Tom Telesco. There's three guys that are draftable early. There's also a couple of guys, you know, a couple quarterback, second, third round. Give me an idea.

Just what Raider names. who will be paying four coaches now when they hire them. Four. Give me an idea where they're at. They had Antonio Pierce do a press conference yesterday at 10 a.m. local, and they fired him two hours later. There's 31 teams, and then there's a Las Vegas Raiders, and there's one man in charge,

and he acts how he wants to act, and he pays out who he wants to pay out, and Mark Davis is that guy. And now you bring in Tom Brady as a minority owner, and I cannot speak on whether his involvement has been one of great exaggeration or hyperbole, but everyone that I talked to is like, well, now Brady's going to be running the search. The last I heard, Brady works for us at Fox and is preparing for his first playoff game as a broadcaster and is going to be going on doing Eagles Packers.

Is he looking at Liam Cohen footage right now? Is he looking at what Anthony Weaver's defense did for the Miami Dolphins this season? Is he on the phone with Belichick and Pete Carroll and Rex Ryan and whoever else? No, I'm pretty sure Tom Brady's preparing for a wildcard round game, a divisional round game, an N.S. Championship game, and then a Super Bowl. Well, if you take it all the way through that, that's a heck of a lot of multitasking to just assume Tom Brady's running the search. I don't think he is going to be necessarily the one lining up interviews. There's going to be a group effort here, and Mark Davis is obviously going to meet with them.

But Tom Telesco is the GM. He's got his thoughts. He's got a great record in the first round with the L.A. Chargers and the San Diego Chargers before that. but I'll tell you, there are a lot of people who are in that building who did not know that Antonio Pierce was getting fired early in the morning yesterday. Wow. That tells me that Mark Davis holds a lot of cards here, and anything could happen as far as the Raiders go. I mean anything. And anyone who tells you otherwise is either a very close friend of Mark Davis or is talking out of there, you know what?

That's crazy. Hey, I made the argument. I watched the whole documentary on Aaron Rogers. I made the argument that if we're being honest and fair and, you know, their thing about Aaron that, you know, he's complex. And I think about this all the time. I mean, Jay Cutler was difficult. Kyler Murray's quiet.

Aaron can be a little prickly. Whatever. Not every quarterback is, you know, Manning, Brady, Mahomes. It's all about winning. They're all different people. I think Aaron has a market. If I was the Jets, I'd keep him. If I was the Steelers, I'd be interested.

If I was Vegas, I would have not. no problem with Aaron Rogers, a two-year deal. I know it's crazy, but I think I watched them the last eight weeks, and let's be fair. He was pretty good. He wasn't their issue. I thought he was their issue coming off the injury up until Thanksgiving. I thought he was a problem. And then he wasn't.

Does he have a market? It's a great question. And the Jets are we have to start off because those players love playing with him. And today, Jermaine Johnson, who was lost for a season's ending injury, said a story on a podcast. that I was sent that, you know, without any fanfare, Rogers gave him his private jet to go get, you know, surgery done on the West Coast as opposed to having to go to the airport and doing it.

And, like, that doesn't get advertised. Those players love them. You talk to Sauce. You talk to a lot of those guys. Rogers was the leader, and he was the dude. If you're the Jets, though, you just want to wipe the slate completely clean. The owners, I can tell you, and the president, who are now doing this search and Tanna Bowman and Spielman are involved,

they're not coming in and saying, well, first and foremost, we're keeping Rogers, or first and foremost, we're going to try to figure a way to get rid of Rogers. They're going in and there with an open book asking candidates to tell them what they think they should do. That's the GM position and the head coach position. It's a Rogers conversation that's bigger because does he want to keep playing after 20 years? He saw the awesome farewell he had with Pam Oliver at the end of that game that we had on Fox. That's a different topic.

For the Jets, it's do we come back to Rogers and say, hey, for a discounted price, are you willing to be a bridge quarterback and run this back one more time? with a new head coach and new general manager, or you talk to the general manager and head coach candidates and say, we want your thoughts. Because I'll tell you, I've spoken to a lot of the candidates who are going to be interviewing for a lot of these jobs, they're split.

A lot of them look at the film and say what you just said. Like, Rogers is better than, you know, 10 quarterbacks in this league. And if he could still sling it, I'd rather have him than go on the, you know, the scrap heap and get somebody else and go with a third string quarterback. Right. The guy's interviewing today for the Jets.

Matt Nagy's interviewing for the head coaching position, via Zoom, but they've got Mike Borganzi in person, who's the Chiefs number two in their front office interviewing in person in West Palm. And then they've got Alec Halabi, who's Howie Roseman's top lieutenant. He's our number two. He's also interviewing for the Jets' GM job. So they're doing two simultaneous paths here. They're interviewing coaches and GMs at the same time. Aaron Glenn's going to get an interview. I told you Ben Johnson's not going to interview there. Cliff Kingsbury, from what I'm told, it was not requested for an interview. So they're doing two simultaneous paths. And the first question is, what would you do with our quarterback position?

Now, Rogers, could he be in Vegas? Could he be in Cleveland? Could he be somewhere else? Maybe. But I think the jets are the first ones to have to make that decision, and that domino hasn't fallen yet. Shreger, you've already done a show today, and you brought such great information and energy.

Look at this guy. This is the second show today. He's probably doing Copacabani. He's probably doing a late-night shift tonight somewhere else. Probably be joining some anchor guy in another network later today, whatever. You're just never stopping. You're writing books. You're doing a podcast.

You're crushing. we love having you on buddy hey colin thank you you're so great and to all my all the guys out in la guys and gals obviously the fox family and any listeners uh we've been through weather stuff here on the east coast and my heart is just with everybody and hope everyone could be safe it's terrible images here yeah it's brutal out here uh peter shregger terrific job fox sports nfl reporter uh and he's a course uh referencing the fires in malibu and uh the palisades it's called pacific palisades beautiful coastal town and uh you know surrounded by, you know, it's trees and forest and stunning, and it is all burning down.

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Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas,

and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL, late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends.

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Without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us

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Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This week on Criminless, we're joined by our first ever guest. Sorry, our first ever human guest. I don't think I could be in the same room with Shamrock the pair. I'd be too nervous.

That's right. The very funny Will Ferrell joins Rory Scovel and me, Josh Dean, for an episode dedicated to the many crimes committed by people also named Will Ferrell. They called to his fellow officer for the nippers. What are the nippers? Very good question. No, I was thinking, would that be a good name for like a salad dressing? Simple assault.

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So far, favorites are 8 and 0. We have a playoff because the networks, including this one, wanted them. They wanted to monetize college football and organize college football at the end of the season to a higher level, and they've done that. I do think it's interesting. The idealists always look silly, don't they? The idealists that college football now will give the little guy a chance. The little guy is Owen 4, Boise State, SMU, ASU, and Indiana, and has kind of been rolled in three of the four. Rolled.

The little guy does not have a better chance. In fact, I'd argue he has less of a chance. Because whereas the little guy, TCU, could knock off Michigan a couple years ago and get to the Natty, albeit destroyed, they would now have to face two, three more blue bloods. and football has always been a depth and attrition sport. We've just seen that in the NFL. And in college football, if you were Boise State in 2007 and you beat Oklahoma, it was a great feel-good off-season story.

But that's over. Because if Boise State beat an Oklahoma or an Oklahoma-like team, you'd have to play seven days later. You wouldn't get this six months to recruit off it, to talk about it, to make your boosters feel good. the college football playoff, it's like adding two or three states to the powerball, and you think your odds increase in winning.

Nope, they don't. So what it's really done, it's compressed the feel-good stories to about 48 hours, not six months. If a little guy does win, and the favorites are 8 and 0, and the little guys are 0 and 4, your SMUs in your Boise States,

and your Indiana's and Arizona States, the little guys, they're o' and four. Arizona State had a great outing and a great out. effort, but they lost. So if they would have beaten Texas, you'd have gotten like 36 to 48 hours to pump your fist, and then you've got to get back to work, and here comes another blue blood around the corner. So the Cinderella college upset, which made everybody feel good about college football in the sport, you get two days now to feel good about that.

Then you've got to get back to work. So the idealists of college football, it's the same with March Madness, you can bring in all these teams, you know who's going to win the Natty. It's going to be Kansas or it's going to be, you know, you're going to have a Villanova, a Kansas, a top program. It feels good to include George Mason. It feels good to include SMU and Boise State and Arizona State. It doesn't change the outcomes. It just changes the way you feel.

But this is a, this is the first time college football has an NFL playoff system, which means no time to celebrate, a great team's around the corner, and whoever's healthier wins. And I think that is why I like Ohio State, because I think they have the greatest depth of four and five-star talent. They have the most NFL bodies. And they may not have been the best team at Oateson this year against Michigan. But I think their depth and having an NFL coach, Chip Kelly, on the staff in the first year college football is sort of now NFL style in their playoffs. I think Chip Kelly is a big advantage. And I think it's not just Ohio State's front line guys. It's their number three receiver and their number three and four corner that will elevate them to the nattie.

J-MAC with the news. No, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Wow, this is kind of surprising news out of Detroit. We know that the injuries are brutal for the Lions, but David Montgomery, remember the running back who was injured? Yeah. He's expected to be able to play maybe in the Lions. first playoff game next weekend. They announced that, hey, he's recovering from his sprained

MCL. These young athletes, they get healthier faster than ever. That's out to the season. Yeah, that's what people thought. And that injury, by the way, wasn't that long ago. Yeah, and then they're like, oh, well, maybe he won't have the surgery. So they got Alex Anzolone back last week, the linebacker. He was very good. Yeah. And now adding Montgomery, listen, this is, this is promising for Detroit. Is Super Bowl a foot for the Lions? Well, I think, I don't think there's any question that of all the injuries they have, The two that you and I went, uh-oh, was Aiden Hutchison. That felt like, oh, that's a bad one.

And Montgomery. And we were like, I get lightning and thunder. Lightning's not the same without the thunder. It's not quite as big. Gibbs has been outstanding. No, no, he is a home run hitter. It looks like he's a top five back in the league, maybe top three this season. But I also think Montgomery is an off-speed pitch.

And I think the combination of the two allows for more of an element of surprise with Gibbs. So you can use him, you know, they're different style backs. For the record, when they drafted Gibbs, they got a lot of heat. Understandably, running back to the first round. But he has been electric. If you're looking ahead, Lions fans, they will face the lowest-seated team left. So the three non-division winners are Tampa, who already beat him in Detroit. Green Bay, we saw that last game in Detroit.

That was nip and tuck the entire way. And then the other one is Washington with an electric. quarterback. Yeah. I think Detroit is the last team I'd want to face in a couple weeks. I mean, if Washington beats Tampa with that young team, they could have a little hangover. If they go on the road and beat Baker and be celebrated, you really think Washington feels like a two-win road playoff team? Yeah, it could probably fade Washington there. Yeah. So are you going to do Super Bowl picks this week? Like break it down and... Well, maybe we'll have, that's not a bad idea. for tomorrow. I like that idea.

I mean, we need to hear it. I asked you yesterday and you're, I don't know. Hamden hot and yeah, that's unacceptable, man. The people want answers. Next up, Colin, this is breaking here in the last hour. So Tom Pellasaro of NFL Network says multiple teams have reached out to, wait for it,

North Carolina, coach Bill Belichick, gauging his interest to return. It's funny, nobody wanted him, remember? He gauged their interest and said, I'm going to college. Now they're starting to call him. One the calls he got was from Tom Brady,

Raiders owner, and of course our co-worker here at Fox. I'll let you speculate, but you already noted they're paying Gruden, McDaniels, and now Pierce. Then they would have to buy out Belichick for 10 mil and pay him. That would be the most

money sunk into a coach for one ever. So he can get out of his deal with North Carolina. I think it's like June or July first. Well, no. 10 million, $10 million buyout prior to June 1. After that, it's only $1 million. That's right.

But they're not waiting that long. That's right. No, no, you know, I don't like, you know, I don't like talking about people that have jobs. I do think if Philadelphia fell flat this weekend, that organization moves off winning coaches quickly. I don't think Belichick is going back to the NFL for any job. Listen, he had Brady and they were great, but he had Cam and Mac and they weren't. And I think Belichick's smart enough to realize this league now, eight for eight, best quarterback won every division. That's why Harbauch up the Chargers.

So I don't think Belichick is going to leave college. He's not going to go to Carolina for just a job. The two things that are interesting, the two jobs that could be, and again, these are good coaches, clearly. Buffalo loses to Denver, opening playoff game to a rookie quarterback. I don't think it's going to happen. Would they fire McDermann? I think McDermott would be in, I think you'd have to have. And Belichick returns to the A.S.

I think Belichick and beats the Patriots for eight straight years. And I think if Sirianni fell flat against beat up Green Bay. Yeah. And again, I think McDermott's a good coach. And Siriani clearly is a winning coach. But I'm saying is that's the kind of thing Bill would come back for. To me, I just don't. Now, like if John Harbaugh lost in Baltimore, Lamar's going to get the heat, not John

Yeah, they're not going to move on. But I do think this league is weird and it changes dramatically based on singular games, just on one game. Yeah. How's this? It's very dramatic, very punitive, very urgent league. So let's say you invested in the Raiders, right? You would want to help your investment. And two ways to help your investment are going after Bill Belichick, that is a, that's going to put butts in the seats.

And then they're not going to be able to draft a quarterback. So, I don't know, do you kick the tire on Aaron Rogers? And you say, we got Rogers? We got Belichick. If I was Tom. That is a massive draw. If I'm Tom Brady, and we all know he works at Fox, we know he's a legend, and he know he's part of the Raiders' ownership group.

What I do is take Mike Brable to dinner and try to get him hired with the Raiders. Brable's the best candidate. If I'm Tom, and Tom and Brable have, that's what I would do. I would say, let's go hit some golf balls or let's go to dinner. I'd sit him down and lay out the plan. I'd try to get Brable. Brable's the best candidate in the market. So if I'm Brady, why would I want to settle for the third or fourth best coach?

Vrable's better than Ben Johnson, for sure? Yes, he's a proven, got a team to an AFC champion. We don't know if Ben. Ben Johnson was in the AFC championship, NFC championship last year. I'd argue he's not the best coordinator on Detroit. Oh, you're not. No way. Aaron Glenn with massive.

What amazing game against the Vikings in Week 18. Do you know that Detroit Lions led the NFL this year? Think about this. Because we know their injuries. Led the NFL in a division which got all sorts of talented quarterback. Led the NFL in the opponent's passer rating. No team held quarterbacks to lower passer rates than the Lions. I need to go look at who they played.

I know there's a real list in there. How about this? NFL teams. That one, this is not the Mountain West. You love Aaron Glenn. That's clear. You want it. Is he your guy on the market? I love his resume.

Aidan Hutchison out. Corners out. The whole team was depleted. Ben Johnson's good. What Aaron did, though, how? How? It was band-aids and Bondo and Superglue all year on defense. So a better job?

Bears right now, or Raiders? Bears, because I have Caleb Williams. So why wouldn't Belichick be interested? Or maybe they weren't interested in him? Well, nobody's in. Who says he's interested? Tom Pelasaro, NFL Network. Multiple teams have called Belich to gauge his interest.

Yeah, but we don't know if Belich. I don't think Belichick is interested in the Raiders. I don't know if Bravel's interested in the Raiders, but you asked me if you were Tom Brady, what would I do? I would take Vrable to dinner and hit some golf balls and I'd talk him into it. If I'm a team that wants a coach, I want the best coach. I'd rather not settle in life for the third best coach. Brable's the only proven winner on the market, so I'd go after him. Just like Harbaugh was the best candidate last year and the Chargers aggressively pursued.

By the way, the Chargers last year went after two guys. Harbon Brable. One was the best candidate last year. One's the best candidate this year. Final story. Uh-oh. It's your guy. Sir Charles.

The ringless wonder, Charles Barkley, said he would not hold back next time. He talked about the Lakers after he and Redick had a little bit of back and forth through the media. Well, the Lakers lost last night to the Mabs. Listen, it was not a great performance. No Luca, no Kyrie. And the Lakers lost. They got smashed.

Charles Barkley let it fly. Take a listen. I want to hear this. Why I hate the Lakers? it's always somebody else's his fault. Remember three years ago it was Russell Westbrook's fault. Then it was Frank Bogle's fault.

Then it was the Underloor Russell's fault. Then it was Darbin Hound's fault. It's always somebody else's fault. The Lakers have, they don't have... Listen, LeBron is one of the all-time grades. AD is a hell of a player. That's it. The rest of the guys are just guys.

Every team got those guys. And it bothers me. Listen, you don't... You don't always blame other people for your shortcoming. The Lakers proved to what I keep saying. The Lakers stink, plain and simple. What was inaccurate there? The Lakers stink, plain and simple?

They're 20 and 16, sixth in the West. That stinks? Time out. So you feel good about sick. Well, no, that's a different discussion. Barkley said they stink. Well, the middle... If you're sixth in the West, you stink?

If you're sixth in the West, you're not close to an NBA championship team. And they're not. And by the way, his criticism is one that I said three weeks ago. Go watch a Laker game. They're not athletic enough. They're just not athletic enough. How do I sell you on my guy Austin Reeves? Oh, Jesus.

The game winner on Christmas Day? Ham and Egger. Boy, so if the Lakers stink, Barclay, boy, everybody in the West is garbage. Warriors are trash. No. There are a handful of teams when you watch them, you can see the athletic ability. Houston. Another team.

Boston. Boston. Oklahoma City. There are teams, I think the Knicks have some. There are teams that you see athletic ability on the wing. I mean, Boston, OKC, Houston, it jumps off the TV screen. You can see the athletic ability. Denver size jumps off the television.

Milwaukee's size. When you watch the Lakers, I don't get the size, I don't get the athletic ability. I get one great player and another legend and a bunch of guys. I do like in our NFL discussions, Colin, you usually provide context for why a team is good. the Pittsburgh Steelers were running hot, beating up on, you know, cupcakes. We were not like, hey, this is a Super Bowl team. I don't think they ever made your Super Bowl bubble or top five. Right, right.

And now they're being exposed with frauds as they crater down the structure. So, you know, the Lakers have played the second most road games in the league. Okay. Okay. So like, the schedule matters. Let's ease up with the they stink. Context matters, and that's what I, I don't think Barclay provides context. Okay.

Of the top eight teams in the West, only one has a negative point differential. Yes, and that is the Lakers minus 2.2. Yes. It's a good nugget. I have that right here in my notes. In the NBA, you can't... This now is a 3-N-D league. You got to shoot 3s and you got to defend them.

They went and got Dorian Finney Smith because Dalton Connect can't defend. He can't defend. I mean, so like, they went and got their top draft pick. He's a shooter. But he can't defend. So he's a limited player. And I watched last night, I don't know if you saw... They didn't even have Luca or Kyrie last night.

That's the worst part. Dallas didn't have their two most electric offensive players. They have guys coming off the bench banging open three. It was a bad defensive performance. Redick owned it. And, you know, Barclay, do your victory lap. We'll see you. Lakers, by the way, seven of their next day at home.

I didn't say they stink. Yeah, Barkley said that. Okay. What I'm saying is his criticism is they got a lot of guys. They have a legend and a great player. And a bunch of guys. And my take is that's what I see when I watch them play. I now are moved.

The last five days, I've moved into NBA viewing. I do this every year. Yeah, yeah. We get into January. I celebrate my birthday with, you know, my friends. And then I start cooking on NBA video for about 45 minutes a night. And the Lakers have got a bunch of guys. So it's funny.

I did this on social, but the Austin Reeves, I like him. I believe he's very, very good. And I said, look, Mark Price. You remember Mark Price, Small Guard? Probably the most underrated player with Bernard King and League history. Yep. He was an all-star. He was all NBA.

Great. And you do his per 48 stats against Austin Reeves, and Austin Reeves blows him out of the water. He's more athletic. And all these people, they get so angry when you compare 90s players to now. I always tell you, I like Austin Reeves. If you are a championship team, he should be your fifth best starter. I don't think that's a critic.

I'm saying, by the way, Derek White is the Celtics' fourth best starter. Derek White's better than Austin Reeves, and we're not even going to argue that. If you put Derek White in the Austin Reeves role in Austin Reeves on the Celtics. Derek White, if LeBron goes to the bench, Derek White is the second best Laker player. And I don't think it, Derek White is an elite defender, he's an elite three-ball shooter, he's a veteran, he's tough.

He's good, he's good, I like him. And he is the fourth best Celtic. Reef is not going to sniff an All-Star game. He just won't. The league is too stacked right now, but he's awesome. I know you think fifth, I... You tend to like the overlooked guy. You love Brockport. Underdogs, baby.

I, I'm very busy. I don't have time for underdogs. Coastal elite. There he is. It's not. It doesn't matter where I live. I like stars. I'm not going to try to say, you know, like I said in this league, it's a quarterback

league. There's like seven great ones. They're all in the playoffs except Borough. You tend to take the angle of the overlooked little guy undrafted and I'm like, well, you know, it rains and Brock Purdy can't hang out of the ball. I'm sorry. Rain is part of our country's weather system. By the way, for the record.

The Lions' opponents this year. So you say, who did the Lions play to have that great defense? Matt Stafford, Baker Mayfield, Josh Allen, the 14-win Vikings twice, and Kyler Uri, early in the year when he was pretty good, Kyler Murray. Was he good earlier? Yeah, it was pretty good early. 14-win Vikings, he doesn't say Sam Darnold's name. Jay Mack with a news. Well, that's the news.

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He gets really mad at himself. Secondly, he wins 75% of his games in a tougher AFC. He has, however, struggled. He's got a couple of playoff wins. He's like two and four, but he has struggled in the playoffs. And he admitted this week, and this is part of the appeal to me of Lamar Jackson. And why I love him, he admitted. Yeah, it's kind of me.

I get frenetic. Yeah, I'd just be too excited. That's all, you know, too assy. Like, I'm seeing things before I happen. Like, oh, I've got to calm myself down. But just being more experienced, I've found a way to be. about balancing it out. So I said this earlier.

When LeBron James was in Miami and the first finals against Dallas and he struggled to post up J.J. Berea, it wasn't a ceiling thing. It was the game was in his head. When Aaron Judge in the World Series in Game 5 dropped a routine fly ball, that was anxiety.

That was nerves. Aaron Judge hasn't done that in his entire career. So you get these players, Peyton Manning, A-Rod, early in New York, Aaron Judge, LeBron James. It's not like a ceiling thing. It's a in your head thing. I think we saw a little bit of that, a Sam Darnold Sunday, Lions, and the Vikings.

I thought he was so amped up and so juiced up. The ball was sailing, and he missed on some open looks. So I think Lamar is absolutely one, once-in-a-generation player. I love watching him play. He's one of my favorite guy, Josh Amman. Allen and Lamar Jackson, maybe my two favorite players, even more than Mahomes, that I want to watch play. I think he's an all-time guy. But I asked Greg Olson earlier, when you are struggling in the postseason, how do you get through it?

Understand who he is. Understand what he does well. Understand the emotion, the character. Again, the relationship between coach, play caller, and in this case, the quarterback, get him off to a really fast start. Call the plays that he loves. Get him tackled, run. All the things that are the magic. and the beauty of Lamar Jackson.

You know who he is as a person. You know the caliber he wants to play at and you know how much pressure he's putting on himself. You've got to coach around it. You've got to help him through that early in games, early in series, and let him settle into the first playoff game this weekend. And then you know what? One win turns into two.

All of a sudden he gets that off of his back. And he's the Lamar Jackson that we've seen now for years and potentially could win another MVP. You know, you've heard that people talk about the states of grief, it's anger, it's depression, it's denial, it's bargaining. And the last one is, you know, sometimes accountability. And I think, I think you're seeing that, acceptance, not accountability. I think the last one is acceptance.

And I think with Lamar, you're seeing some acceptance. It's like, yeah, this is me. I get to, it's very easy for me to defend an athlete like Aaron Judge or LeBron James or Lamar Jackson that care so deeply that they get a moment. emotionally a little over their skis or a moatain manning was known as a teeth clencher like he was so uptight like that's an easy guy for me to defend that you care so deeply and that you put so much pressure on yourself that you miss a pot and we've seen this with rory mackleroy is it's not that rory doesn't care he cares so much that it gets into his headspace and and so lamar to me the growth and maturity is the acceptance of it i just get amped up i'm not the same quarterback so i and i And I do think, you know, this is just the way it is. If Buffalo loses in the playoffs first round, Sean McDermott's getting the heat.

Because Josh Allen's been pretty good in the playoffs. He's just lost. If the Baltimore Ravens lose, John Harbaugh's got a ring. The reality is Lamar Jackson will take the heat. So sometimes it's the coach. Sometimes it's the quarterback. Mike McCarthy was the one that got criticized when the Cowboys at home got rolling. rolled over by Green Bay, but Dack didn't play well.

I mean, Jordan Love looked like a significantly better player in Dallas than Dak Prescott did, but it was Mike McCarthy who took the heat. So it is interesting about that. Kyle Shanahan has taken a lot of heat for losses, but the truth is he's never had a great quarterback. So that's why I think a lot of us defend Kyle Shanahan. So that's where we are today. J. Mack, we got Drew Brees stopping by in the last hour.

we are still, you and I are going to connect tomorrow and watch Notre Dame Penn State together. I think to your point, the under on Notre Dame Penn State is in play. I think these are both excellent defensive leaning coaches. I think Penn State is funny. It's strangely for a great program, Penn State's being overlooked, because Ohio State and Texas and Notre Dame get so much glare that nobody's paying attention. It's a weird spot to be when you may be.

as good as anybody, and nobody's talking about you. There's no pressure on Penn State at all. They played SMU and Boise. I know, but they... Look in the regular season. Like, anytime they played a good team, which they didn't play many. Ohio State, they got smashed, could barely score.

I don't know how they score on Notre Dame. We'll see. Tyler Warren, I like him a lot. It's going to be a good game. Very excited. I'm going to go read your Fox.com article. Send me the link. Why don't you do that?

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