The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - Tom Brady joins The Herd

Episode Date: January 30, 2025

7-time Super Bowl Champion Tom Brady joins the show to tell Colin how the Chiefs and Eagles can capitalize on the extra time to prepare for the Big GameSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And Tom Brady, bottom of the hour. Live in Los Angeles, it's the herd wherever you may be, and however you may be listening. Thank you for making us part of your day. So, Jack and I were talking about this last hour before we went to break. We were talking about, you know, the dynasty we have here. And the Eagles don't have a dynasty. They just get to this game a lot in the last eight years. So in the last 30 years,

I looked it up this morning, there have been seven pro dynasties. Mahomes Reed, Brady Belichick, Warriors, Kobe Shack, M.J. Pippen, Phil Jackson, Duncan, Parker, Parker, Pop, and then the Jeter Yankees. And I would, so you have big cities, New York, L.A., Chicago, you have smaller cities, KC. San Antonio. You've got two NFL, one baseball, four NBA. All four, all of them have one superstar minimum. All of them have a great manager or coach. The strangest of the dynasties is Kobe Shack, where they didn't actually get along. Phil Jackson kind of held it together. It ended very abruptly.

It didn't last very long. And it wasn't built on culture. The other six of the seven were kind of culture, bond, same direction, didn't always have everything lined up in terms of personnel. The Lakers really were just too super-stranding. and a coach who didn't necessarily get along with the guy in the front office, Jerry West. It was all sorts of egos. It ended abruptly. Phil Jackson held it all together with super glue and his Zen master abilities.

But other than that, the six of the seven all kind of feel the same. They last a while. We get tired of them. There's a certain fatigue after a while. They're not all fascinating. The spurs were kind of boring. But most of them are kind of equipped with a great player, a great manager of men, a strong defiant culture, the

Lakers are the outlier there. But wait, you said a lot of people got sick of these teams. I don't remember oh, the Yankees, they're back again. Like, that team was beloved nationally. No? Derek Jeter was like a wholesome leader of the franchise. George Steinbrenner was loved nationally.

Well, wait a minute. George Steinbrenner was not on the field. They were buying players. People get all upset in New York about what the Dodgers are doing financially. That's what the Yankees did. They were called the evil empire. I think that's more a Steinbrenner thing. I don't think they were like hated. I mean, again, I'm a

Yankee fan. I think people liked Jeter. So did people love the San Antonio Spurs? No, they were bored out of their mind. Okay. Understandable. Lakers, I don't think they were hated because Kobe and Shaq were utterly dominant in their prime. Well, they were kind of cocky. Yeah. So are any of these dynasties

likable, do you think? Or are all of them? I like dynasties. I do too. I like them. I think they feel special, but most of these are resented by people, and now the Kansas City Chiefs are. Greg Kosell, 45 years NFL films, here we go. So, you know, next week we're going to talk about some Kansas City stuff

and some Philadelphia stuff, so I'll get to that here in a couple of minutes. But I do want to start with this. I don't think it's crazy to say from what my eyes told me that Jaden, Daniel, the NFC, over the last 11 years, It's had 10 different teams in the Super Bowl and 10 different quarterbacks. The AFC, it's becoming pretty, you know, it's Brady, it's Mahomes. And I said the NFC needs a Mahomes. The NFC needs their Mahomes.

And watching this kid, Greg, I know it feels hyperbolic here. I know he struggled against Philadelphia. What did the film say? But boy, he feels special. He feels different for his age. You know, Colin, first of all, I love Jane Daniels. I loved him coming out. But I think we always have to be careful.

Think back one year ago when everybody just assumed that C.J. Stroud this year would be a top five quarterback in the league based on his rookie season. Right. And sometimes it doesn't work that way. Now, obviously, Stroud and Daniels are totally different players. And I love Jaden Daniels. I mean, I love the way he plays.

I love the way he plays from the pocket. I just love his feel for the game because he's not a runner per se, even though he can run and run very, very. very well. I think he throws the ball really, really well. There's clearly a savvy to his game. I wouldn't expect him to regress in any meaningful way, but I think that teams certainly in the NFC East, and certainly when the schedule comes out, will really study him in great detail and look to see better ways in their mind to defend him, and then we'll see as time progresses, because that's what coaches do. But there's no question that he has a lot.

feel to him in the way in which he plays the game, just a savvy, a natural savvy about him that, you know, not many have it that young and age. So I want to one overriding question on Philadelphia, and I've said this, and I don't feel this about any other team, there are moments watching the Eagles offense that I think to myself, why do they ever punt O-line, weapons, Seque, Goddard, they get, but there are also times this year. Greg, they get out of rhythm. And I tend to look at Sariani and go, how can this happen?

Is a lot of their success simply based on Jalen Hertz ball security? Well, I think that's a huge factor and cannot be overstated. The fact that Jalen Hertz never turns the ball over is so critical in the context, column, of their entire team. Because keep in mind, putting aside the long drive that the commanders had to start the game, is teams don't go a long distance with a lot of. plays against the Eagles defense. That's the way Vic Fangio has always played defense. It's very difficult to sustain long drives. So now if you're the Eagles offense, if indeed you do have to

punt, or even if you give the ball up on downs, and by the way, they are a four-down offense, which is also a big deal and a very important part of who they are offensively. But if they do have to punt, then what happens is, is the opposing offense has 75-80, 85-90 yards to go for a touchdown. And that's a big deal. That's really hard to do. So very often, I know some fans in Philadelphia get upset when they see Jalen Hertz run out of the pocket to his right and throw the ball away. Yeah, maybe he misses some throws. Maybe there are times he holds the ball too long. But the bottom line is he does not turn the ball over. And in the context of their entire team, that is a really, really big deal. All right, let's talk Buffalo, Kansas City. Let's just get to the film. I

thought Josh Allen looked very nervous on his first drive. I didn't think he was in great rhythm throughout. But that's, you know, you're playing a great defense. I don't know if Spags allows you to get into a great rhythm. What did the film say on Josh Allen's afternoon? Well, it's funny you mentioned that. He looked like Brett Farr on the first series. Remember how Brett Farr used to come out and the first series would be all those rocket balls and then he'd settle in? I thought that Josh Allen did settle into the game. You know, games like that, first of all, it is a very difficult defense to play against. There's no question.

And the thing about Spagnol is he's very situational in what he does. People probably think he blitzes at a really, really high percentage because they're so successful with their blitzes. But he doesn't necessarily blitz at a really high percentage. He's just so good as to when he blitzes and how he goes about doing it. And he obviously does it in really critical, high leverage game situations. They came out the bills in the third quarter, and they ran the ball. They had a really nice drive running the ball, predominantly, by the way, out of 11 personnel versus the Chief's nickel defense where they had Shamari Connor as their nickel corner.

Only one of the runs came out of 6-0 line. But, you know, the bills did score 29 points, and they never really had a short field. So I thought their offense, ultimately, if you score 29 points in the AFC Championship game on the road, but you probably feel pretty good about your chances for winning. These games, as you know, come down very often to individual plays. It was that way for the Chiefs. I mean, the Chiefs made – the Chiefs have settled into offensively, Colin. It's very interesting, given this season.

Who knows what's going to happen in the Super Bowl. But the Chiefs has settled this season into being a third down offense and a Red Zone offense. They don't get big plays in the past game. I mean, I was amazed in doing research over the first game. the last number of weeks. Do you know Xavier Worthy only had, I'm talking regular season now, he only had four catches of 20 or more yards in the entire regular season. Think about that for a minute. They don't get big plays in the passing game. That's not who they are. They convert

on third down. They're phenomenal with their schematics and their tactics on third down. And you've got the Mahomes factor with his legs. And then they get in the red zone and they're really, really good. Yeah. Annie Reid told me yesterday. He said there's no question that Patrick is a better quarterback today than three to four years ago. How do you see that on film? I think that he's an incredibly aware player. You know, obviously the talent level is high, and when he had Tyreek Hill, there were a lot more big plays down the field, and it looked great. But I think just the way he controls the game, see, keep in mind that even though they were

not a big playoffence in terms of explosive 20 plus yard plays. He had the second most dropbacks in the entire league this year. So they are a past first team. So the ball is in his hands. He controls the game at a really high level mentally. And I think that that can often be overlooked because we're so used to the physical plays that he makes. But I think mentally, he really controls the game. And we've talked about this through the years. feel for spatial awareness is just ridiculous. The way he just understands intuitively and innately where people are on the field. And he's another quarterback.

I mean, I know they had the one fumble against the bills in the championship game, but he hasn't thrown an interception in what, eight or nine or ten weeks. Another, you know, he doesn't turn it over either. He just has a tremendous feel for the game and what's required in given situations. So let's go to your big play. I want to watch the breakdown here. Yeah, well, this play ultimately was a great example of their red zone. What they do in the red zone, it was not third down, but it was a red zone play,

and it was the touchdown to worthy. So if we could take a look at it, we'll see, because these are the kinds of things that I love when I watch tape, just the way teams are so schematic in what they do. And I think that's what I love about football, the schematics of it. So here they're at the 10-yard line, and Mahomes is in the gun, and they go into an empty set. meaning that there's nobody in the backfield with Mahomes. Now, on this particular play, what the Bills chose to do was they chose to play a single high safety in the middle,

and they played man coverage. So this is cover one. So it's a single high safety and man-to-man across the board. So now what we want to focus on here is to the trip side on Smith-Schuster and Worthy. And they're basically in a stack formation tight to the offensive formation. And as we said, it's man to man. And they actually have Hamlin a safety who's matched unworthy because they're a nickel defense. So they have Hamlin unworthy.

So what they end up doing here is they run a natural pick concept. This is not illegal. Smith's Houston releases vertically. And he basically is going to pick Hamlin. And now Worthy's going to break outside. So Hamlin has traffic to work through. He has to decide, do I go over the top of this? Do I try to get underneath it?

What do I do? There's a pick right in front of. front of me and you can see that and what ends up happening is he waits and so what happens he waits and then he's late and now there's another element to this as you can see because he's trying to get oh he ends up going underneath it but he's late and then you have Hopkins who's clearing out here he's not really part of the play he's just clearing out and that creates a lot of space so it creates space for the they run the natural pick and it becomes a pitch and catch touchdown. This is just beautiful, beautiful design in the red zone where they're so, so good.

And, you know, by the way, they scored in the red zone, I think four out of five times. I think they ended the game in the red zone, but that didn't count. Yeah. The first touchdown of the game, Colin, which was Kareem Hunt, and the last touchdown of the game, which was Patrick Mahomes, which was his run, were the exact same play, the exact same play. They just gave it to Hunt on the first one, and on the second one, Mahom, kept it. So they're really good on third down and in the red zone. And with Mahomes feel for the game, there are really good offense in kind of a non-traditional way because they don't really get

explosive plays in the past game. As we're showing it here, nice guy job by the guys in our control room showing those as you talk about it is the exact same play. It's the exact same. Same formation, same action in the backfield, same pulling, tackle and guard. And Hunt carries on one. Mahomes keeps the other. So they're just, you know, they're really good situational football in breaking down defense. On both sides of the ball, by the way. Great stuff. Greg CoSell, NFL Films. We'll see you and talk to you next week, Greg. Thank you. Thanks, Colin. Appreciate it. Tom Brady, bottom of the hour. If you've been thinking of Home Security, check out Simply Safe 50% off if you sign up for a new professional monitoring plan. There is no safe like Simply Safe. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours.

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First, though, J-Mack with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd-line news. Some interesting stuff happening with the Rams, Colin. Remember, we just talked yesterday about less need, and we don't know if Cooper Cups coming back. We don't know about Matt Stafford.

Well, interestingly enough, Matt Stafford, he really wants to play again. According to Ian Rappaport, Stafford has made a decision, and he plans to play in 2025. Rapsheet adds that the Rams have no immediate plan to replace Stafford. What is going on behind the scenes here? It almost sounds like not everybody's on the same page. Well, my sources tell me, They love Stafford, and Stafford loves them.

If it was a really strong quarterback class, and they had maybe a second round pick, which they don't, they may draft the future quarterback. But it's not a strong quarterback class, and they don't have a second round pick, and they're not going to draft a quarterback with a first pick. So my take is, from what I'm kind of being led to believe, they love Stafford.

They would love to have him for a couple more years. Next year, they'll draft a quarterback. Not this year. I mean, again, Jackson Dart 4-5th. Yeah, again. So they kind of know there's nobody in this draft

that they think is in the same stratosphere of Stafford. So what they're going to do is try to add depth draft picks. The Rams would love to have a lot of picks and go draft depth this year because they know they're going to have to give up so many

picks to get in to the top 12 next year for the best quarterbacks. So it's sort of like, let's go all in, let's give Stafford, let's get more picks, load the roster up. Next year, we may have to trade most of our picks to get the quarterback, but they're all in on Stafford. They want him back. Of course, they love, you know, listen, these good, well-run teams renegotiate contracts to free up cap space.

I think there's three or four needs in the draft. I think they, Cooper Cup is one I think they'd move off of. I think they would have moved off him this year. Who is like Stafford's best friend on the team. I know. Or one of the best. Stafford has a $49.5 million cap hit next season, and they can save $27 million by trading him post June 1st. For who?

Well, that's where it gets interesting. We know the McVeigh-Tree has historically loved Kirk Cousins. I'm not sure how that happens. Stafford, of course, went to University of Georgia. Pennix is there. Could the Raiders get involved to get a quarterback here? Kirk Cousins or Stafford in some way, shape, or form? I don't know.

Feels a little like musical chairs at quarterback. I think that's actually a great call. If you're the Raiders and you're looking up at Mahalms, Herbert, Peyton and Bo Nix, and nothing in this draft that's close to that and Kirk Cousins is. So, I mean, if Pete Carroll now is at 72, 73, he wants to win. Stafford's got two great years left. And the Raiders also have both their tackles, a dominant weapon, and their center for the future. It's not a bad O line.

It's not like Stafford would go and be running for his life. The Raiders is a fascinating call. And the Rams would then go after Kirk Cousins, who isn't 90% of Stafford, you know, coming off the injury. But play action, McVeigh offense, maybe you can make the playoffs with Kirk Cousins a quarterback. Remember, if you make a deal for the Raiders and could get a second round pick, then you go get one of those quarterbacks I like in the second round. You know, we have a Raiders executive coming up shortly. Maybe you could ask him about my hot take there. Just kidding.

Next story is the Bengals. I'm just telling you, the Bengals are ripe for implosion. Sorry to a producer on the show who loves them. Obviously, Jamar Chase is getting an extension and then what happens with T. Higgins. Since he's director of player personnel says extending Chase is a priority and he's very important. Regarding Higgins, although they want him back, they want him back at the right number for his experience. That is not what I want to hear if I'm a Bengals fan. Higgins is going to, he can name his price on the open market.

He can't. Anybody would be glad to have a superstar receiver. And don't forget, how about this, Trey Hendrickson asked for a trade last season, by far their best defensive player, led the league in Sacks, asked if they won him. Duke Tobin said, we can't have guys at the top of the payroll in every position, right?

Well, actually, Philadelphia does, so figure it out. I mean, seriously, Philadelphia does. The Niners did three years ago. Figure it out. Imagine getting to the Super Bowl, getting super close to winning it, and then just three years later, appearing kind of sort of clueless

as to how they held to build a roster and stack chips in Cincinnati. Colin, this is bad. Yeah. I don't think this is good at all. Final story is, apparently they told me you want to talk about this, and that would be Riley Leonard.

Riley Leonard, very good yesterday. He lost in the Natty, vomited after one drive. Look at this. Look at really sharp, throwing against air down there. Snapping those throws off. Look at this.

Speaking to reporters, Riley Leonard, your guy. Oh, that's a dime. Riley Leonard says my best is yet to come. I have more confidence now than I've ever had in my career. Honestly, it's like one of those highlight YouTube video, a man against kids. It almost looks like Joe Burrow dropping back in the pocket, just dropping dies. You go ahead and laugh.

I'm not, I'm not. My track record in finding the old Jameruski in the draft. Okay. He's such a good kid. I see a little. Listen, I like Riley Leonard, obviously, you know, a nice player. Sounds like it. I just, I'm not as bullish on him as you.

I think he has development. He needs the right coach. But look at this thing. How do you throw a frozen rope in the heat? There's an example. I don't even know what you just said. Frozen rope in the heat. Oh, dear.

All right. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd line news. Peter Schrager next hour. Tom Brady is around the corner. Live in Los Angeles.

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This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen.

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Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about defying the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game.

We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night bases on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson,

we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nash would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers, why he got the ball, like, After you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

This week on Crimless, we're joined by our first ever guest. Sorry, our first ever human guest. I don't think I could be in the same room with Shamrock the parrot. I'd be too nervous. That's right. The very funny Will Ferrell joins Rory Scovel and me, Josh Dean, for an episode dedicated to the many crimes committed by people also named Will Ferrell. They called to his fellow officer for the nippers.

What are the nippers? Very good question. No, I was thinking, would that be a good name for like a salad dressing? Simple assault. And it's a play on word, salt? Maybe not. I say we invest and we see. There's only one way to know.

This did not amuse the cops. By the way, normally the cops are amused. But this did not. It's the cops. Will even comes clean about some of his own crimes. I didn't get caught. You know why? If you don't want to be suspected of anything, you whistle as you walk.

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So you're one of the only, I mean, literally, you're one of the only people on the planet. Who knows what it's like to be the face of a franchise, going to another Super Bowl, the pressure's on, to me, the pressure's on Kansas City. It's always on the favorite. How did you zone out for two weeks? Now, you have your install day pretty quick. Did you hide? Did you, I mean, everybody's talking.

You can't go outside. Did you like that? Or are you like, could we just play this Sunday? Did you like the extra time? I like the extra time a lot because it gave me extra time to do all the prep that I needed to do. And I loved kind of the studying. I loved the minutia of the game plan. One of my best kind of memories from the Super Bowl,

2014 we're playing the Legion of Boom and it's Friday night before the Super Bowl we've of course had like 11 or 12 days to prepare and I come back from dinner and it's probably like 9 o'clock and I wasn't feeling great about the red area package we had and I went in and Josh McDaniels is in the staff room and I said hey we got to go through the red area I said it's just too hard down there they play too much zone and if I looked at a left Earl moves to the left I look to the right, Earl moves to the right. I was like, we need a few easy plays where I could just stick the ball in there

on a play action pass, get everyone in the linebackers to step up, and let me just rip something to the back of the end zone. So we install three plays on Friday night after two weeks of preparation, all the practice is done, and one of the touchdowns is to Jojo Lafell, the first one of the game,

and the second one is to Danny Amandola later in that game. And we hadn't practiced them at all for 11 days. And it was just, I like to use every minute of prep going up into those games because they're the hardest ones to win. And it's so great to get here. And both the Eagles and the Chiefs have had incredible seasons to get to this point. But it all goes for nothing if you don't win this game.

And that's what makes the drama so spectacular. The two or three, I mean, I've got so many memories of you in Super Bowls, but I do remember this. You guys were like a big heavyweight champ. You would feel out the first round. the first quarters, and maybe this was Belichick or you, but in the first quarters, you weren't terribly dynamic. You really did let the game come to you. I was wondered, was that by design?

Was this you saying, let's not unveil much here? Or was it just nerves? Or was it like that was Belichick's ideology? But you didn't historically, you didn't have robust first quarters. Yeah, it was not intentional. Let me say that. We weren't trying to go out there. suck in the first quarter, but most of the time we did.

There's definitely a little nerves. I think both teams are feeling each other out. And we never really got behind too much. Atlanta won that kind of got away from us there in the first half. But I think for the most part, we were just, we didn't execute the plan exactly the way we wanted. And you're going up against a team that's got a lot of good players and they got a lot of juice and energies, a lot in the stadium.

It does take a little bit of time to settle into it. that game. It's an interesting game to play in. It's unique because, you know, most all games, you start at 1 o'clock on a Sunday, a regular season, it's done at 4. This is a 6 o'clock start Eastern time. It finishes at 10 p.m. It's a 4-hour game, you know, 33% longer than normal. I often thought of the Super Bowl as two games. There's a first half game and a second half game. And it was really important for us as players not to go out there in pregame warm up and lose all your energy because it was so built up from these couple weeks of prep that you had and you waste all your energy in pregame warm up knowing that you still had, you know,

a four-hour game ahead of you. And I think that's why a lot of the defenses really die in the second half. It's just such a long day. Sure. There's so much emotional energy that gets kind of put out. And then it's really who can survive the fourth quarter of the game. Yeah, you've watched so much of these teams. You had, this will be your fifth Eagles game. And their offensive line, to me, and I think Jaylen's great, but the offensive line's insane. You had good offensive lines.

I don't know if you had four Hall of Fame offensive linemen. Have they gotten better? Do you feel like every time you watch the Eagles, it was a different version, or do you kind of know what you're going to get when you call their games? I think they've been, you know, I don't, Siriani has done a great job with the adversity this year and dealing with the adversity.

And, you know, I see him hot-tempered at times. I really like that attitude that he's got. There's a lot of consistency. You see that week to week. And I think there has been a lot of consistency over the course of the season from this team. When I think they're really unstoppable is when Jalen Hertz is playing in rhythm in the past game.

Because I look at that defense. The secondary has been consistent. They've been great all year. Fan Gio scheme. Zach Bond's been as consistent to anybody. That D-line, Jalen Carter, Sweat, Jordan Davis, Milton Williams. Those guys are consistent. The entire defense is consistent.

The running game's been there all year. That's consistent. A.J. Brown getting open man coverage of Devontes Smith. That's consistent. Goddard getting open. That's consistent. The line blocking them. That's consistent.

When they constrain a consistent rhythmic, passing game together, I think they're pretty unstoppable. Yeah. You know, there was a moment last night, and I've talked about this. I think Drew Brees and you were really good at this, and I think Mahomes is. And this is not a knock on anybody, but it's so much of what you did as a quarterback was to avoid mayhem. It wasn't always over-the-top plays. It was you just got him out of trouble. I always say this about the great presidents. It's not always their policy. being ahead of a potential problem.

That's what a good CEO does. And on that blitz, when Spaggs brings the corner blitz, listen, it's, I mean, nobody saw it coming. Would you, I don't want to compare you anything, but is that hard to identify, or is that a quarterback's responsibility? Because corner blitz is, Tom,

they may happen once every two weeks. It's rare. So I saw that plan, I thought, you know, Josh has kind of got to see that. Or am I being a sports guy who just doesn't get it? Okay, so it's a great question. And this speaks to a lot of things you and I have talked about over this last year. And unless a quarterback has total operational control of what he's doing,

it's going to be very hard against the Spagnulo defense because Spags is going to put so much pressure on the protections and on the offensive line and on the quarterback to sort things out after the snap because some things look a bit unconventional. They're all on the right and they come to. the left. They're all on the left and they come from the right. And everyone's spinning the defense at the snap of the ball. And it gets very difficult for the quarterback if you're not anticipating where the problems might be. And you may get lucky every once in a while to make a play work, but I just remember the Super Bowl I played against Spags when I was at the Bucks late in the

career. And I felt like I had studied so much film for two weeks. There was really no blitz he could used that I wasn't going to be prepared for. And when something looked a little funky based in my film study, I had an answer for it. And I had tried to have answers to his pressures. But that took a veteran quarterback who had a great understanding of the protections, who could apply a lot of different tools to get it protected.

And then I was able to go out there and play with a lot of confidence. But again, this is, you know, blitzing in the NFL now has been very effective. I don't think many quarterbacks have understandings of protections. I don't think we're allowing them to develop and that now they're

kind of learning on the fly and it's a rough place to learn out there on the playing field against a team that has as many talented players as the Chiefs. You know, it's funny. I think the story of this game is Reed and Mahomes and Spags

against the green wall of talent. And Philadelphia is a little like that Seahawk team you faced. I remember that because I'm from the Pacific Northwest. And everybody thought I was a patron at Homer and a Brady Homer. My entire time, I've always been like Brady Homer guy, which is not a bad guy to be a Homer for.

And I said, I got to be honest, I don't know if they can beat Seattle. Like, I don't think, when you go and, Mahomes is going to face a Philadelphia team. Tom, they may have nine Hall of Famers. I mean, Jalen Carter looks like, and that Seahawk team was insane. Go back to that game.

Did you ever privately say to yourself? I don't know if we have the dudes for that. I mean, they are. Did you ever, you wouldn't say it publicly, but what was your mindset like Mahomes this week when he watches film and goes, they don't have a hole, they don't have a weakness. How did you think about Seattle? Yeah.

Well, that's a good, that's a great example. That defense was stacked from the pass rush to the backers, to the secondary, to the scheme. And not only that, offensively, they had, you know, March on, a young Russell playing great dynamic. guys in the past game. And it took all of us to win. And

I think when I look at this game, if you're going to beat the Chiefs, it has to be the ultimate complementary game. Because you could score to take the lead with 45 seconds left in the game and give the ball back to

Patrick in that offense. And the whole world believes that Patrick, including himself and including the defense he's going against, that he's going to drive right down the field and score and take the lead again. So it's like how Buffalo beat them in the regular season. Buffalo was aggressive, even there were up two points to, you know, take the ball and go for on that, whatever, fourth and two. And Josh made a great play and scrambled in for the touchdown. But it was almost like you got to get up two scores in the end of the game to feel like

there's any relief because Patrick has an amazing ability to perform his best in the biggest moments. And there's a lot of fear that's in the other opponents late in the game. And that's a good feeling to have if you're the opposing quarterback. Oh, I know. And you, you, Tiger, I always said this. Mahomes, you, Tiger, when you could hear the gallery cheering and Tiger was in a different force him and you knew he just hit a great shot, it got completely in your head as you knew. Oh, he just, he just hit a birdie.

And I think there's part of that is that you do get. So, I mean, you face Mahomes in a Super Bowl. If I recall it was a pretty good game for you. Did you go into that game thinking, guys, we got to score blank? I mean, you got in everybody's else. You spent a career getting in everybody else's head. Were you aware of Mahomes? And was there discussion that week on, fellas, we can't even give him 13 seconds here, that kind of thing.

So, yeah, and we played them. in 2018 in the AFC championship game, they were a high-flying offense, Tyreek, and we played a great kind of first half of football in Kansas City, and they come storming back in the second half and take the lead. It was almost like it evaporated. Now, that was a very different offense than they have now. When we beat them in the Super Bowl a few years ago, three years ago now, we played a great complimentary game. We played really well in offense. defense played the best game they had played all season. You know, they were struggling in past protection.

I thought our defensive lines ability to get after him and all the blitz schemes that Coach Bowles came up with were really exceptional. But to me, it took a great team effort. And that's the only way you're going to beat a great Chief's team. Now, the Eagles have the team to do it. I mean, that's why I'm so excited about calling this game because it's, to me, the two teams that have been consistently great all season long that are in this.

game, which is exactly how it should be. And the outcome of this game is going to be determined by a few plays, and no one knows which plays they're going to, those are going to be. That's why you've got to be on it from the moment that you walk into the stadium. This is a, this is a great matchup for a lot of reasons. There's a lot of stars. There's champions. There's coaches. There's tremendous scheme. And then there's tremendous players that have played well under pressure. And it all kind of culminates in this great performance, you know, played out in front of the whole world. And all these players that get to be involved in it, this is a highlight of their life. And it's going to be a highlight of my life being there to call the game.

I want to talk about this because when you and Belichick were in the middle of your dynasty, he hard coaches you, he calls you out, he's rough, that's part of the culture. but since you've gone your separate ways oh he's like a soft served vanilla ice cream he's a cream puff now all he does is he's a teddy bear and he said yesterday he's like you know what just just call the Lombardi trophy the Brady trophy I remember a piece of video when he gave you the game ball

it was near your end in New England and we made fun of it on the year I said that was so hard for Bill I said he was so uncomfortable but I kind of got it Tom I understood it It was the culture. It's the reality. It's like sometimes you have to be a tough parent when you're a dad, right? And it pains you.

When you look at Belichick and you now, is there a warmth now that maybe wasn't possible when you're in the middle of a dynasty? Well, there's an intensity to our jobs naturally that, I mean, look, we always had a great relationship. We still do. And I know there was a lot of things later in my career that people would say, or to try to create division. I think there was always a great respect for each other. And I was never, I always saw him as someone that I was trying to please out there as my coach. And I wanted to be the best I could be for the team.

And he was always trying to deliver for our team in the role that he was in. And were there times where we didn't see everything eye to eye? Yeah. But, I mean, that's 20 years of a relationship. And I said this, I think in one of the documentaries, like, not characterizing our relationship based on, you know, a few moments that weren't perfect for either of us. I mean, we had as great as a relationship as you could have over a long period of time with tremendous amount of success. And there's no coach I would have rather played for

than him. He taught me so much. And you're right. I think the role of that coach is very much like a parent. You know, if you're not performing well and your grades are below standard, you got to tell your kids that. And if they're putting forth the effort, you got to tell them that too, and you've got to teach them and you've got to develop them and you've got to be there. And there's a sophistication to being a parent and a good parent at that, expecting that a lot of these young kids today, they don't know what the right ways to do things are. And you know what? Sometimes to have a little bit of fear in people is a good thing. People should have to wake up and go, God, I got to do a good job today or else.

And I think that's very motivating. I think we're in a culture now where everyone's, hopefully it can be a little more balanced that, you know, to be rewarded for bad behavior, to be rewarded for being selfish, to be rewarded for thinking about yourself as an individual in a team sport. Like, I loved playing against those guys. I never wanted to play with those guys.

You work too hard for too long to think about, yourself in situations in team sports. And I think their culture that I was a part of in New England embraced the team first attitude. And what are the rewards of that? Well, championships were one, but more importantly than that, I have relationships with my teammates that go way far above and beyond what they ever were on the football field. I look at the best experiences I've had in my life and they're with these men and women's and probably way more men in a football locker room, but the coaches that contributed to my life taught me in a very significant way that allowed me to be the best I could be.

And that's what team sports are about. That's what shared experiences about. That's what relationships are about. That's what ultimately the meaning of life is about. And we formed that bond under an intense, and the intensity about what we were trying to do. And we got to do something we love to do, which was play football. So I have looked back on those moments as the best moments in my life outside of being a parent as the things that have shaped me into who I am today.

And if I do anything in football and I'm going to be involved in football for a long time, it's going to be to give back in the same way. And there's no, I mean, I am who I am at this point. to do things a similar way. I always want to contribute to other people's goals and to help them achieve what they want to accomplish. Yeah. So Tom's going to be with me next Friday in New Orleans, a city that it's hard to go to bed. It's hard to go to bed early in New Orleans. I'll somehow make it. You don't have the responsibility, Tom. You can have, you know, you can go out and have a couple extra oysters in New Orleans now. Good. First time you could ever hear. Hey, no, no Aaron. Yeah, no Aaron Donald trying to hunt me down. This preparation's way easier. No.

lesion of boom I was getting for. I could be looking at where the best bignets in New Orleans are, what a hurricane is, be down on Bourbon Street with you. But there'd be quite a different Super Bowl prep this time around than the last time. I love seeing you again, my man. We'll see you next Friday, Tom. Thanks, Colin. Good to see you, man. All right. Tom Brady. Yeah, I mean, what a breather. Like, I know it's his first Super Bowl as a broadcaster, but good Lord, going into games. And how fascinating was his first answer? How fascinating was that? That in there, that Super Bowl against the Seahawks on Friday night, they put in three plays and what did he say? Two got touchdowns?

I mean, literally two weeks of prep. On Friday before the game, he's like, I don't feel great in the red zone. They put in three plays and two got touchdowns. I mean, that is that. And by the way, that's what Kansas City feels like. Not Buffalo. Buffalo's like, yeah, we do the quarterback sneak the way we do it. Kansas City feels like they're staying up the night before and they're like, here's what we're

going to do on fourth down to seal the win. And that's the difference in these big games. I have faith that Nick Siriani can be doing something similar that two days before the game, right? Don't you? I'm not going to get into ad homana attacks. But I think this is why I like Kansas City. I think it's going to be a situational football game.

And I'm not, I tried last weekend to outthink the room. And, you know. You were right there. I mean, Bill's had the lead in the second half. And we're driving to go up by eight or nine before the unlucky. the fourth downfall. 13 minutes to go in that game. Yeah.

Bitterness doesn't solve anything. Who's bitter? Who's bitter? No, it's just what fairness? Un equality. Fairness, yeah, because the league is, it's so tilted toward the Midwest. You know, that's what the owner said. You know what?

We've had enough big city stuff. Let's make New York terrible. And send Harbaugh to L.A., that's a good story. And have a Midwest small market team dominate the sport. Let's have the Midwest, make the Midwest great again. You like that? What are you? Robert Kennedy.

Permission to use that with, Calgary. Wow. The world's changing right in front of my eyes. Peter Schreger stops by. You've got your tomorrow's headlines today. You know, it never gets old to me. Watching Brady, he became my favorite football player of all time.

And I never take it for granted that Tom Brady stops by for 15 minutes. And I love it every time. Little nerves every time got to make sure. He's a good storyteller that guy. He's pretty good at that whole day. Listen to him. He's just riveting stuff, yeah. Great stuff. Okay.

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