The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - Top 5 NBA players

Episode Date: May 23, 2024

Jason shares his top 5 players in the NBA right now he would build his franchise around What will the Cowboys do about Dak Prescott's contract? Will all the distractions hurt the Chiefs this season? �� Guest: Kerry RhodesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Find your local station for the herd at Fox Sports Radio.com or stream us live every day in the IHeart Radio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, hour number two in the herd. Jason McIntyre in for Colin Cowherd. He's somewhere on the East Coast. I'm not allowed to say. I have not texted him yet to see if he's okay. That's not what I do anyways.

Anyways, I'm joined, as always, by Alex Curry. Alex, one hour in the books. I know Alex has a big birthday weekend. I do. It's also my sister's birthday today. Whoa. Yeah, we're close. Happy birthday, Samantha.

I love you. Look at that little shout out. Nice. I know. And we're getting, we're going to have, like, a lot of people in here today. We're going to get a little audience later. Let's just, I was not prepared for that.

I will be talking to the executives about it later. What do you mean? Who leads that added pressure? Oh, so you never did. Okay, so I started in live events. I was sidelined for 10 years. So you'd be doing hits in front of like tens of thousands of people. I'm like, that's normal.

I'm like, yeah, it gives you motivation. Let's go. It's going to be fun. Live audience. Live audience. You're going to do great. Jeez. Use it as motivation.

No pressure. Remember? You rise to the pressure. I love, I make love to pressure. Coming up here, great guest. He's a former Jets player. That's what we do when I'm filling in. It's Jets, baby.

But first, we, you know, the lists on the internet are a big deal, okay? I, you know, I had started a little website, did okay, sold it, didn't make retirement money, but lists were a big driving force behind my website. We also did a lot of sports media talk and Colin Coward blew it up one day. But lists are really the lifeblood of the internet. Everybody loves to click on a list and see where players rank. Okay. So Bill Simmons, a sports media person, has a website called The Ringer,

and they put out a list of the top 25 NBA players under the age of 25, okay? Number one, Victor Wemidyama, I can't totally hate that. He is the future of the league. Everybody gets that. But look what they did at two and three. Anthony Edwards and Shea Gildes Alexander? Really? Over Luca Donchich?

Who's accomplished more than those two guys combined? It's insanity. Now, I get it. You want to really pump up the American players because we're in the era of the Europeans? Who cares, guys? Come on. That's so disrespectful to Luca Donchich. Now, interestingly, not even on that list is John Morant.

Zion Williamson's buried. Those two guys were supposed to be the future. They supposedly had next. Now, what I did before this list was, mostly it was pushed back against Colin, who has a distaste for my guy, Jason Tatum. Now, you guys know, I was born in New York. I grew up disliking all things Boston. H. H. hated the Red Sox. Okay.

I didn't even see that dumb Boston Red Sox movie with Drew Barrymore, fever pitch. Have you guys heard of that? I refused to even watch it just because it was about the Red Sox. Sorry, Ben Affleck and Matt Damon. did not like the Patriots, but I respected Brady, obviously. How can you not? Really did not like the Boston Celtics in any capacity for a weird, I don't know why. I feel an affinity for Jason Tatum.

Not like my men's league game. We got a game tonight. It's anything like Tatum, but I'd love me some Jason Tatum. I've had a lot of Laker fans think he's a huge Kobe fan. He's going to eventually come to the Lakers. We'll see. So what I did was I said, here are the five players in the NBA I would be. build around right now. There's only five and the list is tight. Okay. Here we go. Knowing that

Steph Curry, you're not building around at this age, LeBron, KD, they're out. Okay. Here are my five to build around right now. I have Luca Donchich, who I think is the ultimate. He makes everyone else better in the same way LeBron has. Janis, obviously, he has a chip. He's a unicorn. You build around him. I have Jason Tatum on this list. Folks, our staff came up with some numbers that are just staggering for what he's accomplished so far in his career. More than Jordan at this age, more than LeBron at this age. Jason Tatum has had so much playoff success, and he's been the alpha on that team. You can build around him and win a title with him.

I have Wembenyama, obviously. He's a unicorn. And I have Yolkich, three MVP's. He's got a title. Now, you'll see on this list is not Anthony Edwards. And people are like, Jay, you're crazy. Oh, my God. Anthony Edwards is the next Jordan.

Maybe. Maybe his team comes back in Windsor Western. conference finals and win the title, and I've got to redo this list. But Anthony Edwards has 23 games in his playoff career so far. He's won two series in his career, and we're building around him. He looks like a star. He's got all the tools. He's got the Riz, as the kids like to say, right?

He's got the swag, and a lot of it has to do with how are you perceived by fans? And I'm telling you, Anthony Edwards talking trash to Kevin Durant in the first round. That's a viral moment. Anthony Edwards dropping curse words in press conferences. People love that. Anthony Edwards has it. He's got that quality that people love. Can you build around him?

I don't know. He's got a great team, right? They've got the role players who fit perfectly, but I don't have Anthony Edwards as a top five guy build around. Shea Gildes is Alexander. Sorry, I'm not taking a guard who's awesome in the mid-range as my build-around guy. I think he could be a great two. I don't think he's a one.

And with that, let's get to our guys. guest who's ready to talk some football. He is a former jet safety. Oh, yeah, he was on that Brett Favre team. Kerry Rhodes, welcome him in. Carrie Rhodes, Fox Sports Radio, 12 p.m. every Sunday. How are you, man?

Man, I'm doing well. I heard you say Riz and swag, so I was a little nervous. I'm trying to sound like my kids. He's trying. He's trying. I'm going to try hard, like the New York Knicks. I get it. Leave the Knicks alone.

I had a great year. So, Carrie, let's start. Aaron Rogers went to the podium yesterday and saying bunch of wacky stuff. Yeah. But some of it is truth telling. Hey, if I don't deliver, the whole, everything, it's all blown up. You were on one of those Jets teams where it was like Brett Farver-Busk, take us back to

those days. I mean, they had a great start. Yeah, it's true. I mean, as you get older in the league, obviously, your resume is usually speaks for itself. His resume speaks for itself with a few asterisk along the way of, you know, some stuff that he said and brought onto himself. But, I mean, as a player in the league, man,

as you get advanced, you have to perform. And if you don't, at the number you're usually being paid at in that league, if you're not doing it, they will bring somebody else in cheaper that can do the job as well. So it is a make-up break-a-break gear for him. He came off an injury, and now he has a chance to show what he still has at this ripe age of 40. Is he 40, 41 now? He's ancient. We'll just go with that.

So you were on that. I've talked to Eric Van Gedey so much about those, that far-ve-year. Listen, he's said the story. He didn't love the idea of bringing in far. Yeah. But I'm just curious, how did it play in, like, the locker room? Because I'm just curious, like, when somebody's saying all this extreme stuff on podcasts, in the media, like, does that even matter in the locker room?

Do you look at the guy and be like, I can't believe he said that? Does that happen or no? Yeah, Brett coming in was definitely a disruptor. We love the idea. I love the idea. He was a good friend of mine during the time we were playing. But you started seeing fractures. He wasn't a guy that actually dressed in the same.

locker room with us. So like even just the dynamic of how a locker room works, he didn't fit that mold. And so you start having things happen when, you know, as the season progressed, we had a great year. I think we were nine and three at one point. And, you know, when you're winning, that covers a lot of things. As soon as you get an injury, he had an injury that he had, he didn't tell the team, he tried to fight through it. It'd be tough. You know, that's part of his DNA. But it's not helping us win. So we lose the final four. And then you start seeing the things where, okay, he's not in the locker room with us. He dresses in the coach's locker room.

And as a team, before he got there, we would wear suits on the away games to go to the games and get ready to play. He would not do that. He would wear his wranglers. He would wear jeans if he'd be comfortable. So things like that starts to creep in and then it's not about the team anymore.

It's about a guy. And that's where it fractured us. So then the year after, Mark Sanchez comes in, regular guest on the show, I know him well. I think fan was a fan when he was a player. And you guys got better when to the championship game back-to-back years. Yeah. Yeah, you're bringing a guy like Mark who just came in and really good guy.

He was humble from the beginning. And obviously with the expectations being the number four, fourth pick in that draft, and, you know, being missed through New York, I mean, he was out and about, he had fun. But he just did his job. He didn't have to do much for us. We were a team that was prepared to win and had a number one defense and a great running game. And he managed the game well. And also, in the playoffs, that's when he started to make big throws, make the major league throws,

and kind of separate himself from that rookie to a guy, serviceable guy, that can actually go out and win some games. And so he performed well in the playoffs. Pivoting away from the Jets, but sticking with guys saying inflammatory stuff. So the chiefs are going through some stuff with the Rishie Rice off the field. Harrison Butker, the kicker. Andy Reid is now addressing stuff. Again, I just want to, I'm just curious, from a locker room perspective. Chiefs have won back-to-back Super Bowls.

Right. There's going to be hurdles this year. But do you think any of this? Is this just off-season noise and it's irrelevant? Or is there something? I mean, they lost Sneed, the great cornerback. I just don't know how that's going to play in the locker room. I'm just curious.

Locker room-wise, they'll be fine. They've got enough leaders to wrangle it in and get the focus on the focus, which will be football for them and trying to make history. I think what's going to be, you know, a thorn in their side is just history. It's hard to do what they've done the last couple of years. And then to do it again, it's going to be hard. And so I think more about the play on the field and the other teams getting better would be a problem for them more than just the locker room.

They have the great core. They have the same guys in that locker room. So they'll be prepared to try to defend their title, but it'll be hard. The quarterback situation is weird in the league where DAC is angling for more money. Yeah. Jordan loves angling for more money. I mean, they deserve it. Yeah.

Tua is waiting on his contract. oddly in the NBA people get upset when Shaggilders is in line to make 80 million and Jalen Brown Jailin Brown has got a 66, 7 mil, whatever the number is. But these quarterbacks, like, we're all rooting for them to get paid. But the problem is when you pay them, it's tough to build around. I believe the stat is no quarterback who's been the highest paid

has ever won a Super Bowl in this new salary cap era. Where are you on the likes of Tua, Dac, Jordan Love? How would you handle this? Yeah, I mean, with Dallas, they have so many holes that they need to feel to give that team a chance to really compete and win. So I think they need to be a little stingy with what they give DAC along the way. But I think also you look at those successful New England teams. I know you're talking about Brady and those guys. He was never the highest paid guy ever.

He was, I don't know if he was making sacrifices. I don't know if that's the correct word. But he was in a place where I'm sure he was making money off the field where that kind of trumped what he needed to make on the roster, on the team, so to speak. So I think there's ways to still make that money and give your team a chance to win. So I think for Dak, he's already been paid once. I think for Dak, if he really wants to win, he should, you know, kind of massage that money and make sure he give some of those guys the opportunity.

So you're suggesting Dak maybe takes a hometown discount? For sure. Really? If he wants to win. He's been paid. He's been paid once. Now, Jordan Love is a different story. He hasn't been paid yet.

That's a great point. But let me ask. So if you say, Dak, could you take a home down discount? He'll be like, guys, Daniel Jones got $40 million a year. Why would I pay? I'm way better than him. Sure, and that team sucks right. Yeah, they do.

They're terrible. And that's the point. So, yeah, I mean, if you want to get paid and it's about that, then by all means, I want you to get your money as well. As a player, I get that. But if you want to win, as far as Dak, like I said, he's already been paid. I'm sure, I mean, I've seen it. He's got enough endorsements to, I'm sure, pick kind of massage some of that money.

loss, financial loss. Okay, so let's play that out. So, Jack says, well, I'm not taking a major hometown. You're minor. Give me 50 mil a year. We'll call it a date. Golf is making 53. Yeah. He's not much better than me. And at that point, do you think the Cowboys say, you know what, we're just not doing that, we're moving on from you?

I don't know if they're moving on from him. I think they'll figure it out along the way, but I'm saying just from if he's really committed to winning and if he's committed to doing the right thing for that team, not the organization, because like I said, players should get every dollar that they're, you know, capable of making. But again, he's made a lot of money. And if he wants to win and put himself in a different category of a quarterback in this league,

he has to make a sacrifice. Do you think at that point the quarterback can say, okay, well, sure, maybe I'll take a little less. What are you doing with that money? Are you pocketing it? Or were you spending? How is that being allocated? Like, do I get a say, since it's technically my money? Now, I don't know how that would work in a negotiation with an NFL player.

but he's been the franchise quarterback for, what, seven years or eight, maybe? Yeah, franchise quarterback situation. I'm sure they're having those conversations that way. Now, if we're talking about myself in that situation, it wouldn't be the same. But he's been the franchise guy. He's had a great career. And I think what really, you know, when the conversation about that comes to play, a lot of people have their own stories and their own recollection of where he came from

and where he should be. I mean, the guy was a fourth round pick. He was a guy that wasn't looked upon to be the guy. he happens to fall into a situation where Dallas is ready to win. Romo gets hurt. He steps in and performs really well under those circumstances. And so I think we've operated from that level of understanding for him. He's exceeded all expectations.

And so for him to go out and want the money is fair. But if he wants to win, there's certain ways to do that. I see you had gone to Louisville. I guess I forgot that. You pronounce it right. So Lamar Jackson famously went to Louisville. Yeah. Did you see he was in the news this week because he's lost 10 pounds and is now like at his

lightest playing weight in the NFL? I don't totally understand it. We had like a 10 minute discussion this morning. Why is he losing weight? Like I want to be more agile? Like he won the MVP last year. What's going on? Any idea what the heck that's about?

There's a couple of reasons. Number one, once you get older, he's not old. But once you start to get older, he's taking some hits. You want to protect your joints. And, you know, a lot of times once you go to the league, you think about if you're you're a slight guy, you need to gain weight, need to gain muscle. And it is true for him in his position. All the hits that he's taken, he needs to protect himself. But you could also watch him last year, and I saw him at Louisville, and I saw how fast and how explosive and

elusive he was. He's not that same guy last year. He wasn't. He could take a, he could find a lane. He can get 15, 20, but he's not outrunning those guys the same way that he was. So I'm guessing he's looking for some more explosiveness in the open field to be a, he could take a lane. He can get 15, he can be a able to take it the distance. And I think that's probably why he's doing that. How much of that do you think is just, hey, man, teams have adjusted. They see what he's about. They see where he likes to pick his spots. We rush him on the right. He's less likely to run on the left or whatever it is. Do you think teams have kind of just solved him? And I know that's tough to say coming off an MVP season. But the playoff success has not been there. Listen, if we're going

to bag on DAC for being two and five in the playoffs, at what point does Lamar get some scrutiny for his playoff failures. Now. Like right now. Yeah. He's had enough of a grace period, even for myself. I talk about him very well. That's my guy.

It is. He needs to start winning. He's had teams that should have won, and they haven't gotten it done. So now it's going to fall on him. And so if he needs to be comfortable and feel confident in his body and his talent by losing weight and being that guy, then I think this is that next step for him and his evolution of knowing him and knowing the game that he wants to play. So after your time with the Jets you were with the Arizona Cardinals, they are a, that was a disaster.

Yeah, did not go away. I think we've talked about that before. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So for some reason, people just love Kyler Murray. And I used to like him. And then you hear some stuff and you're like, oh, geez, it's not good. And then the pouting and the playoff loss, and then he gets injured. And you just wonder, like, I don't know,

diminutive frame. You saw the Bryce Young struggles. I don't know. Where are you on the Kyler Murray situation in Arizona? Arizona. They got a new coach. Obviously, they got a great weapon for him in Harrison, but is this going to work, or do you think Kyler's not long for Arizona? My old college teammates, the head coach there, Jonathan Gannon. So that's a great story as well. But Kyle Murray, man, is one of those things where he came back at the end of the year.

The team actually looked better. They are a better team with him at the quarterback position right now. And I think if you looked at the guys who were out there, that could have been a possibility or somebody to bring in to be that guy. It's a challenge. him or to take over in Arizona, it didn't exist. So right now, the best possible solution for that team and, you know, in the, I guess in the immediacy of this year is Kyla Murray. And so give him a chance. He, when he was healthy and had some weapons on the outside, he was a pro bowler. So the guy can play. Let's see if he can play in a real traditional style offense and then we go from there. We can wrap up with Gannon since you guys were teammates. They kind of exceeded

expectations. Like, they weren't great, but they weren't like a two-win dumpster fire. Um, tell us about Gannon. Like, remember, he was kind of awkward at the beginning. Remember that, uh, interview? He asked like his, the team, did anybody take the bus here? It was just very strange. Yeah. Uh, he's a young guy.

What are you expecting in year two from Arizona? I've not expected much from them, from the team. Let's not get, let's not get a twisted. But I do know the thing about Gannon, man. He's, he's a guy's guy. He's a man's man. He's a pro. He's a pro's pro type of guy. He's a guy that had the talent. If he didn't get hurt in college, he would have been in the NFL as well.

Like he was, he was, he was, he was a guy's, he was a guy's a guy. my, he was my backup safety. So I saw him very up close and personal. But he's a guy that's going to have those guys rally. They're going to play hard. They're going to be smart. And so that's all you can ask for. I don't know about the talent on that team, but they're going to play in every game to win and do it really well. Yeah. All right. Good stuff. Catch Carey Road Sundays on Fox Sports Radio from noon to two with Dan Byer. Dan Byer, great golfer, by the way. Is it? Excellent. Yeah. Yeah. No one of you. Something about golf all day last Sunday. Okay, I get it. Now I get it. All right. Coming up next, there is a wide.

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Well, J-Mack, Patrick Mahomes has established himself as the best quarterback in the league, but there's plenty of top competition for him to go up against and even learn from. And Mahomes was on first things first yesterday and spoke about the quarterbacks that he pays the most attention to in the league right now. There's a couple. I like watching Josh a lot. We play a lot of similar opponents. He plays a similar style of football that I do. So I always watch what the bills do and try to take from things that he does

I like watching CJs Toronto a lot now man he's been out there and he's making plays happen And then I would say probably Joe I mean just guys I watched he say we've had the same teams and so watching him play Definitely gives me some ideas of what we can do as to all fits But I mean the thing about the NFL now man is a lot of great quarterbacks And so I'm kind of the old guy now and I have to kind of hold that title as the old guy but I try to continue to do whatever I can to be the best that I can be. The best are always going to want to watch and kind of keep tabs on the best, right?

Because these are the guys that have either had his number, Joe Burrow, epic competition, Josh Allen, the future of the league in C.J. Stroud. And I love how honest he was in this interview. It's like, honestly, keeping tabs on all the top guys in the league when he's not playing. He's turning it on and he's watching their games. Yeah. I notice all four guys he likes, well, sorry, three guys in itself, all in the AFC. Yeah, because that's his biggest competition.

Let's say the NFC, it's almost like the imbalance in the NBA. The West is stacked and brutal, and the East is not a joke, but weak. And now in the NFC, like no quarterbacks that you really like watching? I mean, but that's who he's going to have to face to get to the Super Bowl. He almost got beat by Brock Purdy. Let's remember that, Alex. Brock Purdy nearly took him down in the Super Bowl. The only time it's like really going to matter is if he gets to face him in the Super Bowl.

Also, is this a slight to Lamar? They're supposed to have a rivalry. He doesn't like watching Lamar. They are. We're just starting a controversy. Patrick Bohm just not like Lamar Jackson. Facts official. No.

That's interesting that, yeah, he actually didn't mention Lamar. They've gone head to head a bunch. They're the first game of the season. The league clearly thinks that they were the AFC championship game. I mean, I think most people took Lamar. winning that game because they were favored. I lost money on Lomar. I also took Lamar and it was after

that loss. I was like, I am never betting against Patrick Bajolmes and the Chiefs in the playoffs ever again. And then you won in the Super Bowl. And then he won the Super Bowl. But I just, I don't know why Patrick Bohombs hates Lamar Jackson. I mean, he just doesn't like him. Don't start beef. There's beef there clearly. There's no, I mean, there should be beef when you go up against

some of the best. But yeah, he's not watching his games. That's funny. Okay. Let's move to your Jets because they had their expectations set high last season with the addition of Aaron Rogers, but his injury in week one quickly put an end to their Super Bowl dreams. This season, those hopes have grown again with Rogers' return, and Soss Gardner thinks a title is in reach. Same as I felt last year.

You know, I feel like we can win the championship, you know, Super Bowl. You know, we got the guys, we got the coaches, you know, we got everything we need, the training staff, everything that it's. takes for us to be able to get to what we want to get to. But like I always said, we can't get too high, can't get too low. Just always stand in the moment not looking too far ahead, you know, because we know what we got, but in the slap over fingers, you know, I'll be gone. I will say I love this confidence, right? Every player, every team should go into the season with that belief of like, we got a chance to win the Super Bowl. We have to get there. What's the

point of playing the game if that's not your main mindset and goal is to get to the the top of the mountain, right? But as we were talking about a little bit ago, I think we need a little, a tiny bit bigger sample size than four snaps of Aaron Rogers playing with the Jets, maybe even a full game. I like, I appreciate the confidence because when a guy doesn't say that, it's like, well, then what are you doing here? But I, yeah, we need to see Aaron Rogers play in a full game, maybe a couple maybe a month with the Jets to then be like, okay, it's here. They got it. I know you're a, what?

Would you call yourself a delusional jet spam? Alex, I'm not delusional. You said, like, I fell forward again. You came into it. We're going all the way. Yeah, I mean, I try to be a realist, and, you know, the reality is they have an amazing roster. Uh-huh. I mean, someone broke down by the positional groups, and the Jets apparently have the second

best roster in the league after the Niners. Now, again, that's not my first. break down this guy Mike Clay at ESPN. I was like a Jets fan, a Jets reporter? He's not a Jets guy. He's just like an NFL guy. Like there's reasons to be optimistic. Like let's get excited.

Now, there was a great quote in there from Sauce Garder, never get too high, never get too low. You know, now that I live out here in California, I heard this good surfing analogy where like, listen, most of your life is spent in the water. There's going to be some big, scary waves. Don't be terrified. There's going to be some little waves.

You're going to wait. Most of your life, you're just spending time in the water and it's pretty tranquil. But there are going to be highs and lows. And you cannot get impacted by the lows, like last year, Rogers goes down, or the highs where they beat the bills when Rogers went down that game. Do you remember the punt return walkoff? This is going to sound so losery. I don't mind have been in this. So I had set up my phone in front the TV to get video of me and my family watching an overtime.

And I have video. I never posted it because I look like a bit of an ass clown. And my kids are like laughing. at me. But I have the video and like I do that in big sports moments. Yeah, a lot of people do. That's how you get those viral moments. But I mean, the chits have been low for a while. Yeah, yeah. Over a decade. Yeah, I'm aware. Yeah. So I'll give you those moments. Relish in this moment before the season starts now. Yeah. Because there's hope. And then they go out and lose opening weekend to St. Fran 2410 and it's like, yeah, it's going to be tough. It's going to be tough.

It's going to be tough. All right. Let's switch gears to the UFL because they revealed the trophy. That will be given out to the first champion of the league this year. It was crafted by designers at the Society Awards. And the league said the trophy symbolizes the culmination of dedication, perseverance, and teamwork. That is the foundation of the U.S.L. This season's champion will be crowned on June 16th. There are still two weeks left of the regular season.

But the playoff field is already set. The Birmingham Stallions, the Michigan Panthers, the St. Louis Battlehawks. the San Antonio. Brahmus will advance to the playoffs, and that's going to start Saturday, June 8th, Sunday, June 9th on Fox. And the Stallions apparently are the team to beat. They're undefeated in the U.S. this season.

They have won the last two championships in the U.S.FL. And we've seen a couple guys get an opportunity and make their way over to the NFL. Cowboys picked up a couple. Brandon Aubrey, their kicker, was incredible. And then Cavante Turpin. also coming over to the NFL from the USFL. So yeah, there might be, keep an eye out on these guys.

It should be exciting. I like the trophy, the head-on view. Have you seen the movie Troy with Brad Pitt? Yeah, like a while ago? It's a little old. Yeah, okay, I was like, very rewatchable. I love it. But the trophy view from the head-on looks like the helmet that he wears his Achilles.

Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, I show my kids the scene where he storms the beach with his crew, and the speech that he gives his epic. Oh, there it is. Oh. Okay. I can see it. It just looks tough.

It looks like headgear. Yeah. It's different. Unique. Yeah. Fun. All right. Alex with the news.

Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News. All right. So coming up next. Oh, boy. Minnesota last night had the defensive player of the year. His name's Rudy Gobert.

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as the Cubs take off the Cardinals. It all begins at 7 Eastern on Fox. Check for the game in your area. All right, so last night, Minnesota jumps to a lead at the end of the first quarter. They're leading at halftime. I believe it was close,

maybe one point game heading into the fourth, and then Luca took over with 15 points. And remember, Minnesota had the best defense in the NBA all season. And they were powerless to stop Luca legend. Unbelievable performance from Luca. And Kyrie Irving, my guy, gave a shout out in the first hour. 24 points in the first half for Kyrie.

And listen, obviously, you start to break down some X's and O's. What can Minnesota do differently to stop Luca and Kyrie? Short answer is nothing. Hope they miss. Because, guys, look at all these highlights. Rudy Gobert is in the middle of the lane, in the pick and roll, and Luca's annihilating him. Luca and Kyrie are unstoppable in the paint.

And Rudy Gober is no defensive player of the year. What can they do to adjust? Well, there's a couple things. You could blitz Luca just to get the ball out of his hands and hope the other guys, PJ Washington, who missed all his threes, except one late. PJ Washington, Derek Lively, the young guy, hope they make mistakes because Luca's not.

Maybe he has an off-night shooting. Maybe Kyrie has an off-night. By the way, Kyrie, one for nine in the second half. I think he was 0-4-6 in the fourth. so he slowed down after the hot start. But we talked with Ryan Hollins, former NBA Center earlier, about possible defensive adjustments

that Minnesota can make. But this is game one. And the one thing, this is chest not checkers. PJ Washington, okay, and Jones Jr., they showed you, they showed Oklahoma City,

if you take away the lob, we will hit the three. Let's see if you're in rhythm, because we kept you game one out of rhythm. Dallas only hit, what, six or seven three-pointers from the entire game? but they got rimmed. Then the third adjustment, I think what you're saying is you're going to switch,

and then this is where Dallas becomes dangerous because you got Gobert or Nas Reid or Kat, who, Luca and Kyrie on the perimeter. So that's what makes it a dangerous. And OKC was the biggest headache because they could do what? They could go out and switch. They were able to switch with Dallas. So now you're in a situation where you have to pick your poison. Yeah, I'm looking at the box score. Are you ready for this? So Minnesota, on three-pointers, 18 to 49, 18 to 49 from three. Dallas was 6 of 25. That is a humongous advantage in threes made.

So where did Dallas dominate? Well, we're going to dominate in the lane and on the free throw line. Free throw line cost them against OKC in one game. Free throw line last night, they were 16 to 17, two key ones from Kyrie late. Here's what I don't want to hear from Minnesota. Excuses. Anthony Edwards after the game, you know, it's funny,

Reggie Miller, I think it was late third quarter, was like, Reggie Miller, who I'm not a huge fan of as an announcer. I know he shouldn't blast him like that, but he blocked me on Twitter, Alex, years ago. I mean, come on, Reggie. Anyways, so Reggie Miller's like, oh, Anthony Edwards seems hurt. He's hurt. Look at he's laboring. And then like two possessions later, he's like, no, no.

Anthony Edwards is just tired. He's gassed from getting torched by Kyrie Irving. And so after the game, Anthony Edwards gets to the podium, and he's like, shoulder slumped, not looking like the cocky, young, trash-talking dude that he really is. Here's Anthony Edwards after the loss. We came out flat today. I mean, and then we found our energy, then we went back to being flat. So I think it was just on us.

Everything was on us today. I didn't get downhill as much. Yeah, just stuff like that. We was just a little tired probably. It didn't get downhill as much. If you guys were watching closely, and again, this was a great game. Fourth quarter drama back and forth. Mabs had a 13-0 run.

and then Minnesota counter with a 13 one of their own. I'm just going to say, Anthony Edwards, you're 22 years old. How are you tired? What? 22 and tired? That's an excuse? Like, give me a break. He had zero two-point baskets in the second half.

None. He didn't want to drive inside and get his shot blocked. He settled for threes, and that's fine. But they took 89 shots in the game. 49 of them were threes. That's out of character. They were the ones who were poor to adjust against the Dallas defense. And folks, I like the Mabs in the series. We'll talk maybe a little in the final hour

about Boston and Indiana game two tonight. Not as much juice in that series. As I told Alex earlier, I do have a men's league game tonight, big one, big one, and I'm probably going to miss probably the first half. But don't worry, fear not. I do have recording capabilities on my cable TV. I want to quickly pivot back to the NFL for a moment. You know, we talked with Kerry Rhodes a little a while ago about Lamar Jackson. Kerry Rhodes went to Louisville, as did Lamar. So Lamar Jackson's an interesting guy. He came into the league.

It was the last pick in the first round. He didn't start for the first half of the season. Comes on. It's basically a running quarterback, gets them to the playoffs. And if memory serves, they had a back-to-back games against the Chargers, like in the final week, and he was good. And then in the playoff game, and they adjusted and totally shut him down. Lamar bounces back.

They end of getting the number one seed. He wins an MVP. last season he was another MVP and Lamar craps the bed in the AFC championship game at home no less against the Chiefs. Nothing wrong with losing to the eventual champs. But Lamar Jackson now is claiming

he's lost another 10 pounds. He's at his lowest playing weight in the NFL and he wants to be more agile. And I'm sitting here like... If I can be able to move around a little bit extra, that's all. I just can be more agile, be able to move more, not offend anyone.

Nothing like that. But, yeah, we have the pace track. You know, we're seconded first and our body each and every game, you know, practices. So, yeah, I believe we really don't matter about the weight. I'm, are we buying this? Like, a quarterback wants to be skinnier and quicker? What, so you can run more and get hit more? This doesn't make sense.

Cam Newton, the greatest running quarterback ever. I know he doesn't like me. We had a little beef like six months ago, whatever. It happens, you know? Cam Newton was thick, sturdy, probably 240. Okay, Justin Herbert, big, thick quarterback. Who are the small guys? Tua, injured.

Kyler Marie, injured. I don't understand why Lamar wants to lose weight and run more. That's not a winning recipe in the NFL. To win in the NFL, you've got to A, stay healthy, and B, win from the pocket. Sure, yes, scrambling matters. Patrick Mahomes is the perfect example. He stays in the pocket, reads the defense, doesn't panic, but if, If he has to scramble, he'll run.

That's what Lamar should be doing. These design runs, I don't know that that's a winning recipe. And, you know, I asked Kerry Rhodes earlier, why on earth would Lamar Jackson want to lose more weight? Here's what Kerry Rhodes had to say. Once you get older, he's not old, but once you start to get older, he's taking some hits. You want to protect your joints. And, you know, a lot of times once you go to the league, you think about if you're a slight guy, you need to gain weight, need to gain muscle. And it is true for him in his position.

all the hits that he's taken, he needs to protect himself. But you could also watch him last year, and I saw him at Louisville, and I saw how fast and how explosive and elusive he was. He's not that same guy last year. He wasn't. He could find a lane.

He can get 15, 20, but he's not outrunning those guys the same way that he was. So I'm guessing he's looking for some more explosiveness in the open field to be able to take it the distance. So remember, last year the big story, line in Baltimore was Lamar's got his best receiving group ever. They had Odell Beckham. They drafted Zay Flowers, who was a revelation, except he had a brutal AFC championship game. And then they had

Rashad Bateman, their former first round pick. They had Mark Andrews. Now, yes, you could argue, Andrews got banged up and that hurt them late in the season. But he had his best wide receiver room last year. He wins an MVP, and he wants to lose more weight? I'm missing something. I don't know what it, maybe you're aware of what, what, I'm missing something. Maybe I have some tunnel vision here, but I'm not understanding while Lamar Jackson is trying to lose weight. Where my mind initially goes is, okay, maybe he's working with a nutritionist, right? Because if you change your diet, you can start to lean out. Or maybe he's doing more of, or adding yoga to his workout.

I know a lot of athletes wants to get later in their career. It stretches you out. It leans you out. but it also strengthens, as we heard Kerry Road saying, your joints, your muscles, so you avoid those injuries later on in your career. My dear friend, Richard Jefferson, former NBA champion, opened a yoga studio in Hermosa Beach towards the end of his career. And he told me it completely changed his body.

It changed his mindset. It was one of the things that helped him to be able to play later on in his career. And he gets LeBron James in there all the time. And all of these athletes just rave about what it does to your body, but it does lean you out a bit. Yeah. So I don't know. It could be one of those two things, like a diet change,

adding the stretching and the yoga to it a little more. But whatever's going to work for Lamar and make him feel the most confident on the field, whatever that is, 10 pounds. Do you remember last year, so Tua was coming off the concussions? Yeah. And in the off season, too, was like, I'm doing jujitsu. Well, yeah, because he's falling. He needed to get better at falling.

That made total sense, right? He was doing jiu-jitsu and something else he was working on so he could absorb hits better or know how to fall instead of getting rag-dolled because he's kind of tiny. I understood that. That made sense. I'm still, your yoga example, by the way, I do go there occasionally, RJ, I'm recruiting him to my men's league team.

Don't tell anyone. Good luck. He's such a nice guy. And yoga makes sense. You want to be more number. But losing weight as a quarterback, I just, even these guys, like, Bryce Young, right?

We saw the video after he was drafted. He's in the huddle, and he just looked super tiny. And they pulled him out of fourth and short. Remember, like the Bush Push or whatever they call it, the Brotherly Shove? The Tish Push? Yeah, yeah. Carolina was going to try that. And they were like, oh, we can't use him.

He's too small, so they had to put in Andy Dalton. And it was like, we can't have our quarterback getting dinged up. And Lamar's making it sound like, I want to be more agile. Now, you could argue defensive ends are getting quicker. He's a two-time MVP. he knows what it takes to win and to be great. And if he believes this is what's going to help get him to that next level over that playoff hump that he just can't seem to get by Patrick Mahomes,

like you've got to try something, right? Because there aren't any more excuses. And if he thinks losing 10 pounds is going to make him quicker, faster, and be able to do the things that he wasn't able to do, which is get to a Super Bowl and beat Patrick Mahomes in the playoffs, then like maybe let's throw, he's throwing stuff at the wall. and see what's sticking. Yeah.

It just, it seems to me like a weird adjustment after winning an MVP. How could I get better? After winning an MVP? I don't know. What a playoff game? Dak, 2 and 5 in the playoffs.

Maybe that's going to help him get there, though. Lamar 2 and 4? I don't know. All right. So tonight we have, what do we have, Pacers, Celtics, game two. Yeah.

Boston got lucky in game one. Very lucky to pull it out. Pacers beat themselves. Yeah. Yeah, too many turn numbers. Big line tonight. Is there any case or argument for the, for the Pacers to steal this?

one or no? I mean, after game one, you've got to feel pretty confident, because going into this series, I thought, hmm, it's going to be a cakewalk for Boston. Maybe not a cakewalk, but an easy, winnable series to get to the NBA finals. Yeah. Pacer said no. I mean, they controlled a good chunk of that game, and then

they lost that game for themselves. Indy blew it. But you watched Mavs last night, and then you watch the Celtics the night prior, and I don't know how you can't walk away saying, the Mavs are the best team left. I'm sorry to Boston. I like them. You just said you have You have a thing for the Mavs, though.

So this is like a fandom. Yeah. I have a Luca affinity. You know, pre-COVID, I would go to some NBA games with a media pass and I would stand on the court like a big loser like during the warm off. So that's not a loser. That's really cool. Well, I think it's cool. Yeah.

And Luca's like basically where this chair is and I'm just watching him. And I'm like, this guy's incredible. He makes it look so, because he's not fast as Ryan Hollinson. It almost looks like he's playing in slow motion sometimes. Like it's just, dounk, dunk, gotcha. And nobody can stop him. No. Now, the complaining with the refs, I get that.

But I watched him up close and I was like, I'm just a huge fan. And this guy's been unbelievable, all NBA. Playing injured. Yeah. Did you see the blood on his knee last night? I was like, believe, I'm like, this guy is a warrior. So anyways, I like him a lot. You know, I used to like Kyrie.

I'm back on. We have a rocky relationship. I'm back on with Kyrie. So I think the Mabs are the best team left. Celtics should win tonight with ease, a couple adjustments, and they should win. You would think? I'm not going to give out a nine-point favorite, but I think Boston. Is that the line?

The line I saw now, I haven't seen in the last two hours. Can't go on my phone during the show. Good for you. You're learning. You're learning. Final hour coming up. Very excited. The power hour is Kyrie Irving, all grown up, and Aaron Rogers.

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