The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - Top quarterback prospects

Episode Date: April 18, 2025

Colin talks to Greg Cosell from NFL Films about the top quarterback prospects in the upcoming NFL draft and how Colorado quarterback Shedeur Sanders will translate to the pro game. He also ranks the top 10 players remaining in the NBA playoffsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I got a little bit of pushback on my Jackson Dart opinions, which I have said. I think he's a better version. Same high school, same basic size, same basic offense, struggled against better college competition too often for me. He's Zach Wilson, but a little thicker. got a lot of pushback on that. I think he's a little bit of a nervous thrower in big games. When you rush him, I don't love his decision-making. Also, I think Shadur Sanders, who is one of the most accurate college quarterbacks I can remember seeing, playing behind an atrocious offensive line with no-run game, I think he's undervalued.

I don't get him falling to 21. I think there's a gap between Shadoo. For me, there's a gap between Shadur and Jackson Dart in my trust. if I was a general manager on what I have seen in college through 40 or 50 starts. I trust Sodor Sanders to run an offense, be composed, be accurate. Jackson Dart, accuracy worries me, tempo worries me. In some big games when he was hurried, there's a little bit of a Zach Wilson thing that worries me, but I've gotten a lot of pushback, especially on Jackson Dart.

With that, we bring in Greg Kosell, 45 years NFL films. Out this week, by the way. The Tape Notebook, a comprehensive draft guide by the best in the business, Greg CoSell. It's called The Tape Notebook. So, listen, everybody has basically said, and I think mostly right, there's some quarterback talent. It's not a star draft. Let's take Cam Ward.

So, I mean, he was a no-star recruit. I watched him at Washington State because I'm from Washington State, but not a lot of people did. He goes to Miami. He pops. Does he look like a bona fide franchise changer on tape? I think he does, Colin. You know, it's funny, I finished watching him.

I finish all the quarterbacks before the combine, because I always get asked about them at the combine. So I finished all those quarterbacks, and my opinion doesn't change because it's based on tape. And I saw Ward as a true, legit, high-end prospect who's worthy of a top pick in a draft. He's clearly the most physically gifted quarterback in this draft class. and you know I just think that the traits the high traits level and I know some people at Washington state who told me that he's a great kid that he's got a dog mentality so I don't think there's any concern there at all with Cam Ward I spoke to an NFL coach and I felt the same way who said that if he was in last year's draft he would have been in the conversation with the top three and I personally believe that based on tape study okay so we I've said I think Tennessee's going to be a playoff team with him that's my one of my

upset picks. I think he's a starter. Now, I like Shador more than others because I can't get past this. When I watched him, and I probably watched him like everybody else a dozen times, I thought he was kind of uniquely accurate. Moving left, moving right. Holds the ball too long. Some of that, though, may just be get more refined, so it does worry me. They say he's not a great athlete, but he feels like he moves well enough to me. He had to with that O line. I think he's a B prospect, not an A. What's the tape say to you? Yeah, I think at his core, he's not a statue by any means, just like C.J. Stroud has turned out not to be a statue. But at his core, he's a pocket quarterback. And I think he's got an over-the-top delivery. He's an easy, natural throw over the football. He is accurate. He did throw about 150 screen passes this year. So I think the 70%, whatever it was, completion percentage, that is irrelevant in conversations about him just because of the high number of screens he threw. I like Chodor Sanders. I think there's two. two things that he clearly has to work on. One is he has a tendency to retreat backwards when he

feels pressure, and that cannot happen in the NFL. And the other thing, and this can be cleaned up, is he tends when he perceives pressure to hold the ball with one hand, with his right hand. And, you know, that's disaster in the NFL. But I think he's an easy, natural throw of the football. He's pretty rhythmic. That's his game. There are plenty of examples on tape where He stood in the pocket in the face of pressure and delivered the football. And I think that's real positive. He's going to have to do, as a pocket quarterback, you're going to have to do that. You're going to have to work in squeezed pockets and stand and deliver.

And I think he showed that. It's always easy to talk about offensive line. We saw this with Caleb Williams. The one other thing that's concerning is quarterbacks that get sacked a lot in college, for whatever the reason, Colin, get sacked a lot in the NFL. We saw that with Caleb Williams this past year. Okay, well, probably start disagreeing here. Jackson Dart worries me.

When I first watched them in college, I thought of Zach Wilson. I didn't know they went to the same high school, power high school in Utah. You know, kind of the RPO thing, very successful. Didn't always think Jackson Dart saw the field particularly well? That was my knock on Zach Wilson. Also my knock on Justin Field. Some guys just don't see it as quickly. They have slower eyes or whatever they call it.

I don't see him as a first round quarterback. Tell me I'm wrong. What do you see? I don't think you're necessarily wrong. I kept going back and forth on Jackson Dart. I watched him last summer from his 2023 tape. I think I watched 10 or 11 games this year because I just couldn't get a great feel on what I think he'll be in the league. Because that's what we're talking about.

We're not talking about college football. We're talking about the projection and transition. I think I ultimately came down on the fact that he could be. a quality starter depending on any number of variables and variances, which is usually the case with most quarterbacks. You know the system he ran at Ole Miss. It was a really good system. He was very efficient and proficient at it. They did run a lot of NFL route concepts, contrary to what people might believe.

One thing that always bothers me, I kind of learned this from Phil Sims years ago, and it always bothers me with quarterbacks once Phil told me and it resonated, is he works hard, Colin to throw the ball. And guys that work hard to throw the ball, I always think when there's going to be pressure and you have to kind of sit on your back foot and drive the ball with some velocity, I always wonder how that's going to play out. Like for instance, Cam Ward has zero problem with that whatsoever. So, you know, I just kept going back and forth on Dard. I'm not quite as low on him as you are, but I'm just not certain about what he is in the league. I think it's going to be a function of team, coach, the offense that he's asked to run, so many factors

that we just don't know right now. Okay. So it's funny, because I keep hearing this about this Louisville quarterback, Tyler Schuck. Yep. Okay. Been hurt a lot, bounced around a lot. He's 27. The truth is, when I was in college, you go to your college dorm, and there's always that one

old guy in the college dorm and he runs the floor, I forget the name of it, but he runs the floor. And he's got a beard and he drinks better beer. He drinks better beer than all of us. We're drinking, you know, like cheap Milwaukee's best. And I think to myself, it reminds

me of this guy like, listen, he's 27. He should be more physically developed. He should be smarter. He's got more reps. But it's like he's older than Trevor Lawrence. I'm always so reluctant on like really old college quarterback who crushes in his final year of college, what do you make of Louisville's quarterback?

Well, I can only tell you what I saw in film. And by the way, in talking to people around the league, the age doesn't bother them as much as the injury history. So just keep that in mind. But I thought that after Cam Ward, just purely on tape, that he had the next best tape of any quarterback in this year's draft. I mean, he's a big kid. He's almost six, five. And by the way, that's a trait. He's almost 6'5.

He throws the ball really, really well. He's got movement ability. I like Tyler Shuck a lot. I don't know where he's going to get drafted. I doubt he's a top five pick. But, you know, I think the tape was really, really strong. And I really liked his game a lot. And, you know, I've heard people who do this kind of thing, you know,

that interview him, talk to him, say that he is really mature, which, of course, he should be, as you said, but that he's ready to go right now. He's one of those guys that's really impressive in person. But the tape was very, very impressive, Colin. Okay, so I said this about Aston Gentie. It's a really good running back draft. But I remember years ago, I'll tell a story.

So it was a draft that had Patrick Willis, the Ole Miss linebacker. And I don't know if you and I were doing our thing back then, but I remember watching the pre- YouTube. I saw a couple pieces of video as I was waiting for the draft, where he literally ran down an SEC running back. And I said, I'm like, that's the best player in this draft, or the SEC at that time was,

I said, that piece of tape doesn't look normal. That's, that's a pro. I saw a piece of tape like Jamar Chase as a sophomore. I'm like, that guy would start for everybody in the NFL. Ashton Genty, even against Oregon, is bouncing off NFL players. Oregon's got NFL dudes.

Penn State. He's just, it seems like nobody, maybe it's because he's five, seven and a half, 5-8. I watch his tape and I'm like, I know he went to Boise State. I know he's small. Nobody can get a clean shot on him. I think we're looking at a star here, aren't we? Well, that's the magic to him, the contact balance, the ability to absorb hits, continue to move without losing any momentum or speed. That's kind of his magic elixir. That's what makes him a really, really good back. You know, it's interesting that he didn't run because I'm not sure that he's straight-line fast,

the way we think of it, but I don't think that matters for NFL running backs for the most part. But no, I think he'll be a really good back. You know, it's interesting in talking to people, there are some people, and you might disagree with this totally, but there are some people in the league who think that Amari and Hampton is a better NFL prospect than Gentie, and I guess we'll find out. But there's no question, the contact balance, the low center of gravity. He's only 5'8 and a quarter, 5'8 and a half, so he's very low to the ground. He's very tough to get a clean hit on, and he's got that ability just to sort of, it's not power per se.

It's not like he runs over people. He pinballs off people. He absorbs it and continues. And that's a very rare trait, and he's got that. And, I mean, he'll be a good pro. Again, it's always hard to know. You know, running backs are hard, Colin. I'll tell you why.

Who would have thought, what, three, four years ago, that Kyron Williams coming out of Notre Dame would be an NFL feature back and have 316 carries last year. and not even play the final game of the season. So it's very difficult with a lot of these backs, so much is dependent on team and scheme. So Travis Hunter, I do think Otani in baseball is something that we're all shocked to see. But I do think going forward, we're going to see a few Travis Hunters.

We're going to see kids now athletically that can play both sides of the ball. His motor is weird. He can play 88 snaps, and on the 88 snap, he looks like it's his third snap of the game. I would prefer getting him the ball than defending the ball. When you watch tape, is he a better receiver or corner? I would probably say at this point in time he's probably a better receiver,

but I think that corners, you know, you can always find quality of receivers. Really good corners are tougher to find. And I think in terms more of preparation, Colin, do you think, and I, you know, do you think you can be a part-time corner? Think of it this way. Imagine if you're, you know, he's not going to be on the Eagles, but just think of it this way. Imagine Nick Siriani walking into Vic Fangio on a Wednesday, you know, as they're preparing for a game and saying, hey, coach, Vic, you know, today Travis is going to be with the offense, not with you. Well, Vic's going to tell him, well, then, you know what, he's not, he's not playing on Sunday because, you know what, we're putting in 15 new things.

And if he's not here for the practice and the meetings and all the things that we're going to do, you know, I don't care how gifted he is. what? If he makes a mistake, we're giving up a 60-yard touchdown. So to me, it's not whether he's physically capable of doing it. He may be that freakish guy that is, because what he did in college is absolutely remarkable. It's ridiculous. But I think it's more about the preparation during the week. I'm not sure you can be a part-time outside corner in the NFL and start. I don't mean being a nickel or any of that. I mean playing, you know, 70 snaps at outside corner. because there's too much, I think, that goes into the preparation with that in conjunction with the rest of your defense, whereas you can be a part-time receiver in terms of playing 15 or 20 snaps in given packages.

So I'm not sure that's going to work out. But, I mean, he's obviously a uniquely gifted athlete. Okay, so I know this is not a first-round player or maybe a second-round player. And I know his deep ball is erratic. But I said when I watch Kyle McCord, anything intermediate or under? he lets it rip, he's accurate. He can squeeze a ball into tight spots. He's played with a powerhouse,

and then he's played with Syracuse. He's wildly productive. He's a pure, he's a pocket guy. But I said, he's a pocket guy, no question. So he's not going to be a first and probably a second round pick. But I said if McVeigh went and got him, and he sat behind Stafford for two years, I look at Kyle McCord, and I'm like,

I know he's not sexy athletically. That looks like a starting quarterback to me. If you told me there was a guy that got drafted, in the fourth, but in two years started and was effective. I like him, but he's just a pocket guy, so does that limit him in your evaluation? Well, let me ask you this. Everything you just said, and I just thought of this right now, and I'm sure people are going to say I'm crazy, but everything you just said, how would that be different from Shadir Sanders? Yeah, Shadur maybe throws a better deep ball.

Yeah, well, I agree with that. You know, McCord's an interesting guy because one of the things that really struck me when I watched him, and I think he throws a good ball. He does have a tendency, and I don't know if this can be cleaned up, it just might be the way he throws. He does have a tendency at certain times to lift his back foot off the ground before he throws, and that impacts your velocity and your accuracy at times. But I like the player.

You know, he's one of those guys, and I don't normally think like this, but just for you and I talking, like if 10 is the highest, to me it's like a seven and everything. You know, he's just, he's a solid player. It's possible that he could be a starting quarterback for sure. I mean, because now you get into team and scheme again, you know, if he's got a run game. And I know people are going to say, well, everybody needs this. But you and I both know that there are certain quarterbacks in the league that can overcome deficiencies, whether it's within their offense, if they don't have a great defense,

they can overcome deficiencies because they can just make those wonderful individual plays. McCord is, you know, do you look at McCord and think of Kirk Cousins in his prime in Minnesota? Do you see that? Yeah, I mean, a little bit. I remember Kirk at Michigan State. I think, I will say, I think he's a more aggressive thrower than Kirk. He'd throw more picks. He's got a little Philip Rivers attitude.

He lets it rip sometimes. Yeah. And I don't think it's the best decision in the world. Whereas Kirk is pretty safe. Yeah, although, I mean, if you told a team that drafted McCord and said, well, we think you're like Kirk Cousins, and cousins for what four or five six years in a row through 35 touchdowns and 10 picks every year and you said well you know if he could do that i i bet teams would say that's pretty good we'll take that yeah Okay, I want to do this. You've been doing, I have so much respect for you.

I've always said there are certain positions that I can look at and go, oh yeah, that works, like corner. There's not many good ones. Right. If you're run a 4-3-5, like the kid at Texas, the corner, he's not fast enough to be a dominant corner, but he's a really good player and he'll make it in the league. Will Johnson, by the way, it's not a burner either.

But if you play enough zone, Will Johnson from Michigan is going to be a very good NFL corner. But he's not a burner. He's not going to guard your speed guy. That's not what he is. but he's a typical Harbaugh, tough, smart player. But I always think I can watch corner and go, yeah, that works in the NFL. I also think a lot of times, you know, quarterback's obviously very hard.

People keep telling me this is not a great offensive tackle draft. I want to talk, and I want to ask you, so I watch Kelvin Banks in big games, and I'm like, yeah, that's a starting tackle. Is there a position in the NFL, college NFL that you have struggled with, and you just have to watch it in the NFL. When I watch Kelvin Banks, I'm like, I think he's, is he close to Joe Alt? But everybody's telling me, no, there's no great tackles. How do you look at tackle?

Because it's a 330-pound man that needs good feet. And is there a position that you've struggled with for years, and you're like, I just got to watch it in pros first? Well, there's positions where I feel like I have to watch a lot of games because they're hard. And those two positions are corner and safety. Because you can go through games, and depending on how the game plays out, they may not do a lot. So you have to sit and watch games and games and games. And I try to space out how I do corners and safeties, because if you watch five or six in a row, Colin, I mean, let's face it.

Almost every corner you watch, unless he's terrible or unless he's ridiculously special, after a while, they all look kind of the same. They all, oh, yeah, their hips are pretty good. They transition pretty good. You know, they start to look the same. So I space it out. But to get to offensive tackle, I think the litmus test for offensive tackles in the NFL. So you have to think about this when you're watching guys in college is, can you pass-protect one-on-one on third down? Because there's not one single offensive coordinator in this league that wants to keep a tight end or a back-in on third down.

They want to send five out and be as detailed and subtle with their route concepts as they can possibly be. So the litmus test for offensive tackles in the NFL is can they pay. PAST Protect on third down, on third and long. And if you don't feel they can do that, then they're not NFL quality offensive tackles. Well, you know, let's end with this, because Bruce Arian said about Jalen Milro. He said, when I look at a college quarterback, how is he in the two-minute drill and on third down? And he goes, I don't see Jalen Milro being a guy that on a big third down when everybody in the ballpark knows you're throwing, or a two-minute drill when everybody in the football stadium knows you're throwing.

he goes, I just don't see that guy doing that. And I listen to Bruce Ariens, and he's a little mechanical for me, great kid. But do you look at quarterbacks the same way as I always say in the NFL, the difference between the haves and have-nots is third and eight, and Big Fangio knows you're throwing. The top of it is, yeah. Yeah, the NFL with quarterbacks are the must-have downs. Third-downs, red zone, you know, two-minute end of game.

The must-have situations. But I will say this, and this is where the game has changed, and just not speaking totally about Milro, but the fact is how many quarterbacks now beat you on third down with their legs? It changes the game, particularly in the red zone. I mean, look at Jalen Hertz. I mean, the game has changed to the point where it's third and eight. You have to defend differently now because the quarterback can run. You know, Bruce Ariens, and he certainly knows more than I do.

God, the guy was doing it for years and years and years. You know, but the bottom line is it's not just now about dropping back and sitting in the pocket. Some guys, it is. That's the way Shador Sanders is going to have to beat you. But Jalen Milro, who's obviously not the refined passer that Sanders is at this moment in time, when it's third and eight, the defense has to play differently because he can take off and run for 20 yards. Yeah. Okay, out this week, the tape notebook as we look at some Jalen Milro, a comprehensive draft guide,

the best in the business, Greg Coe. sell as, oh, is my friend, it's good talking. Colin, really enjoyed it. Thanks so much. Yeah. So, yeah, it's kind of fascinating when you, the quarterback position is obviously very hard because, you know, it's a leadership position. You know, I was talking yesterday to a general manager, and we were talking about the Jets and Aaron Glenn, and it's similar to quarterbacks.

He said coaches are CEOs now. Sean McVeigh's a CEO. He goes, now sometimes you get lucky, and you get Andy Reed, who's CEO and a schematic genius. Belichick was that defensively. Shanahan is that. He goes, but you're hiring a CEO. That's what your coach is. You've got coordinators to call plays. You're the CEO. Belichick would have the headset on. Not calling plays. Not even doing deep. He's doing situational coaching, right? Okay, big third down. Here's what we're going to do. He's coaching to win the game. A lot of times coordinators, position coaches, you know, they're padding resumes, right?

And so when I was talking about him, he said, it's just in college it's different. You can be calling plays Lane Kiffin. You're recruiting. You're dominating personnel. In the NFL, you're a CEO. Aaron Glenn was not a very good CEO with Aaron Rogers. He tried to go rogue. He tried to go alpha.

He's like, that's not what a good CEO does. So this person, this executive said, that's just bad CEOing by Aaron Glenn. And that's what a pro coach is. Yeah, occasionally you get McVeigh, who also is going to. with schematics. Most of them aren't. And it's the same with quarterback, is that it would be great if everybody's great from the pocket. And though Lamar Jackson's always been better from the pocket than anybody acknowledges, the truth is what Greg said is true. You have to defend Lamar differently. You just can't, by the way, good luck playing man-to-man against Lamar Jackson,

because once a defensive back turns, boom, he's off and running. So a guy like Jalen Milrow is going to see more zone than Shadur Sanders. Shadur's not going to take off and run. So you can play man to man to man with Anthony Richardson or a Jalen Milro or a quarterback that likes to run. So there's Bo Nix, by the way, last year. Bo Nix ran a ton. He's not running against the zones.

Bo Nix is running against man. Corners turn their back. Boom. He's off and running. So it's all, you know, content. Textualize all, but it's fun. Want more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app.

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All right, Colin, Jim Harbaugh and his staff completely transformed the Charters from top to bottom, making the playoffs in his first season as the coach. Now, as Los Angeles prepares for its second draft, Bolt's GM, Joel Ortiz, feels like the team is in a good place. Can you let the board come to you? You don't feel the pressure, so to speak, that, oh, we got to address this. player. You know, we have to take this position. I just don't feel that way because of the way we have spread ourselves out in free agency and adding to the roster and really complete in the

roster. So that's a very Ravens-esque philosophy of the draft. And that's where obviously he comes from Dorothe's. That's the pipeline. We talked about it earlier. If Colston Loveland is there at 22, that's the pick. Tight end feels to me like the next chess piece for Jim Harbaugh. Yeah, I mean, they need more consistency at wide receiver, but if you elevate at tight end and running back, similar. And those are two position groups. The chargers need another tight end, back, and receiver. So if you elevate at running back and tight end, you may not need a number one receiver. They just need another receiver in house, but I think Loveland is viewed as the play.

Keep your eye on the North Carolina running back. More than Hampton. Keep your eye on him if he falls, because I think Dallas may nab him. That is a classic. A little J.K. Dobbins, where, like, run over you, run past you. I don't know if Hardball would move up in the draft, but Hampton is a really, really good player. The Hampton comp I've gotten from teams, a faster, more explosive, Joe Mixon.

You talked about kind of an Adrian Peterson-type power, but also speed. You can imagine him in that system. Also, Mecca, Buka. I mean, Harbaugh saw him in the Big Ten, terrific receiver. He probably will be there at 22. I think any of those guys, they need more weapons, and you can address it at 22 and feel very good about it. We lost this story.

Colorado football made the decision to retire Shador Sanders and Traverse Hunter's jerseys. After they started for the Buffalo for the last two years, people have not been happy about it, including our own Joe Clatt. Clatt told Colorado A.D., Rick George, he disagreed with retiring the jerseys, and George responded, quote, They changed the trajectory of our program. They saved our program in a lot of ways. Colin, this to me is a no-brainer.

They were one in 11, the Buffalo's work, when Shador Sanders came in, along with Travis Hunter. One in 11. They won nine games last year. He broke over 100 school records at Colorado. Not only that, top 15 all-time in D-1 history with 14,000 yards. And most importantly, last year, Big 12 offensive players. player of the year. The only issue here is that most of the time you

get your retired jersey, you can probably rent a car. He can't do that yet. Yeah, I mean, I think Colorado football was dead. It was a dead program. Financially it was dead. It was not discussed. Nobody really wanted it. No conference wanted it.

So I don't have a problem with it. I mean, Colorado football, those games now are fun. It's packed. I mean, Boulder on a Saturday now is cool. So I mean, I don't have a problem with it. I watch all Colorado games when they play good teams, and it's got a vibe now. It was a dead program. It is now a vibe.

It's not as good as Clemson. You don't have to be. There's a lot to do in Boulder. You just got to be worth going and hanging out for three hours and getting on television. So I don't have a problem. The two best players, among the two best players they've ever had. Roshan Salam, those two. Got them on TV.

Got them into the Big 12. You know, it's that whole Netville thing. And it's so natural to say that about, but he really was worth the price of admission and along with Travis and along with Prime they changed the program. Speaking of program changers potentially, Jalen Milro accepted an invite to attend next week's draft, leading many to think Milro is going to be a first round pick. Now Cleveland GM Andrew Berry sees a special athlete in Milro saying that the quarterback had

quote, rare physical talent, adding that when Milro gets to the league, he may be the only quarterback faster than Lamar Jackson. Colin, I'm going to take you into the mind of an AFCE scout. He told me about Jalen Milro, super strong arm, good touch on his deep ball, interviewed well, high ceiling. Now, you just said something that was really shrewd. You said that Milro Lamar Jackson, it's very hard to play man coverage against these types of quarterbacks because when a DB turns his back, they can take off and run. What did Milrow do better than most quarterbacks last year, he killed zone coverage. All of that tells

me that even if he's not ready to start day one, he can be an impactful starting quarterback at the next level. Well, the NFL now, 90% of coverage feels like zone. Yeah. So he is somebody that you know, Steve Kime represents him

at Clutch Sports and I asked him about him and he said, all the intangibles will off the charts. Is he ready to start today? No, he needs He needs some refinement. He doesn't have certain traits right now ready to start. But he is so gifted. And I'll say this.

I didn't love him always throwing the ball over the middle of the field, but he has a really nice touch deep down the field. Like Kyle McCord, I trust from 18 yards in. I don't trust him deep. Milroy almost trusts more down the field. So, and he's such a good kid, good family, hard worker, legendary work ethic. To me, he feels like probably a second round pick, but to a team that doesn't need him to start for a year and a half to two years.

He's had private workouts with the Browns and Saints. I was told both were very impressive. And on top of that, Tommy Reese, who's now the Cleveland OC, was Milrose O.C. at Bama two years ago. So to book in it with Andrew Berry, maybe they take Travis Hunter, maybe they get Milro in the second round. That could make a lot of sense. Jazz Chisham was furious after this horrible call.

Look at this. Horrible. called third strike in yesterday's game. Now you can see here, Chisholm letting the umpire know exactly how he feels about the call. He was ejected and then he later tweeted, not even close. So I'm not going to say, oh, umpires stink, this is bad. What I'm going to tell you, look at this, and he should be mad. I love Aaron Boone.

Trying to play good cop here. But what I'm going to tell you is we've gone so much to umpires and called strikes and all of the replay. If you go into robot umpires, which they're now experimenting in AAA, you will take all of this out of the game. And I'm not saying we need to have the George Brett run on in the field, but what happened yesterday with Jazz Chisholm? To me, that's good for baseball. Yeah, and they're testing this thing, and it works really quickly. Because the concern is like, okay, we're going to sit here for 45 seconds. No, but it's fast.

It's really fast. So it's eight seconds. So it's happening. The robot bumps? Yeah, it's going to happen. I mean, almost every rule, baseball has changed. You've got to be fair when you do this for a living. They've hit a home run on almost everything.

The pitch clock. Great. A defensive shift out. Base is bigger. Almost all of its work. Except for the putting a guy in second and extra innings. Well, they do that in the regular season because on a Wednesday, they don't want a game going 17 innings. They're not going to do that in the World Series.

So I think baseball, and I know we think it's old and stodgy and parochial, they've made Rob Ranford has made six or seven moves over the last three years. They have all been good for the game. If baseball is so much more, I watch more baseball now than five years ago, five times more. If you get good pitching, the games fly by. You can watch 40 minutes and get three innings. The games fly by if you have good pitching. So, but don't you feel like jazz chism erupting at an umpire?

Well, no, I think it's, I think these games, sports means more now that it's ever. the NFL this year said you no longer have to networks no longer have to air every team at least once even the NFL yeah even the NFL acknowledging the bottom line is this business is so big now let's not let's not pretend every team matters just put the eagles on the lions on the packers on so i think let this this sport is worth too much money let's not mess around if we have technology Let's just use it. I just love seeing an umpire get lit up. And if you get the robot umps, you'll lose it.

Jordan with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lie News. Some disagreement from the staff, the top 10 players in the playoffs. I have LeBron much lower. It's nothing against it, but there's so many great players by number two to about number eight. It feels like they're all the same.

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We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember I think it was on a call about what we should call it and... Oh, we were thinking I'm originally calling it

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This Easter, the UFL takes over Springs biggest weekend with the Fox football extravaganza. First tonight at 8 Eastern, Memphis takes on Michigan, Then tomorrow night at 7, Birmingham battles Houston, and Sunday at 5 at San Antonio versus DC all this weekend on Fox. So we got some really interesting first-round playoff NBA series because, like, I think Houston's going to upset Golden State. Golden State's got a Jonathan Cominga issue. I think it's going to be wide open. Outside, you know, Oklahoma City's not playing Boston. They get the buys.

Other than that, it's, I mean, I don't think Detroit's going to beat New York, but I think they're going to make the next. sweat for it. So who are the 10 best players in the playoffs to keep your eye on? Number one's an easy one. Nikola Yokic. But listen to this. The nuggets were plus $5.94 when he was on the floor this year and minus $2.75 when he wasn't. An 800-point swing. I mean, he's just, after Kareem, he's the best center I've ever seen. His dexterity is incredible.

He's the best player. I'm going to give him. Yonis, the number two player defensively much better than Yokic. I worry about him shooting free throws late, 61% on the year. So he's got a little shack liability late in games. But one of the more dominant athletes in the NBA, I think he played his best late in the year. Yonis is two. SGA, number three, very good defender with an insane wingspan for a point guard, led the NBA in scoring. I'm not sure he's going to get the whistle, but he's just a, he's just a bucket.

I mean, that's just all there is to it. He is just a bucket. Again, plays real defense, and that's why I put him three, and I put Luca at four, who tends to get worn out in the playoffs and is a defensive liability. But passing and shooting and scoring, he can just take over games. There will be stretches in this playoff where he looks like the best player in the world. And I can't wait to watch it because he doesn't have to carry the offense, but he's the most gifted player on offense. And this is going to be a real statement series for him because he came to the Lakers off an injury wasn't in great shape. I can't wait to watch it. Number five, Steph Curry. Best player in the game without the ball. A great free throw shooter, great three-point shooter,

ball handler, he is the culture. And playoff Jimmy's going to take a little pressure off him. Now, it's a tough matchup against the Rockets. Amman Thompson's their best athlete, and this is going to be a working series for him. But I think he's number five. Jason Tatum, who does everything very well, although not necessarily everything great, but he's very good at everything is sick. This is not a knock on him. It's just, you know, he doesn't have a lot of iconic moments or moves,

and there are moments that Jalen Brown feels like he's going to take the big shot. Jason Tatum, though, leads the Celtics. and the stuff that matters, points, rebounds, assists all through last year's run. He's number six. Number seven is Ant, who I just don't think is as refined as Jason Tatum is as a player yet. He led the NBA in made threes this year, so that's a real thing. He's going to have to score 40-plus in multiple games for the T-Wolves to beat the Lakers. It's a very hot team entering the playoffs.

He doesn't have a lot of help on offense. I don't trust Julius Randall in the playoffs, although I like Julius Randall as a player. So I would put Ant 7, and this just really indicates how good the playoffs are. Now, you think I'm crazy putting LeBron 8, but I don't get a consistent defensive effort from LeBron. And I also think there are going to be moments in these playoffs where LeBron's going to let Luca take over. So LeBron is the best closer in the NBA, and what do I mean by that? He led the league in shots made in the fourth quarter. LeBron also right now is often the first or second best player in the league in spurts.

He's very smart and calculated. he will save himself for later in games, but SGA and Yokic could end the game in the second quarter. That's not really what LeBron is right now. I put him eight. Number nine, Kauai Leonard, again, do you get six or seven games per series? I don't know. But he's playing great, late in the season, real minutes.

I mean, five, six years ago, I mean, we were like he's a less dynamic Jordan. I mean, he's a get-a-bucket, huge hands, really good defense. Bender, incredibly strong for his weight. Kauai Leonard number nine. Number 10, Donovan Mitchell, former Utah Jazz, led the team. Best offense in the league, very efficient. He's just a real pro. He's just gotten better and better, but his team's never advanced past the second round.

Cleveland's a team that doesn't get a lot of love during the regular season, but they feel like a more adult Oklahoma City where they're like what Oklahoma City is going to be next year in the playoffs. So Cleveland, we've been waiting for them. Oh, last two years, we've been like, oh. And they just, the NBA is a Baby Steps League. And Cleveland just wasn't ready. I think Cleveland's now ready.

And I think they could beat the Celtics. They're built to beat the Celtics. They're a tough matchup for the Celtics. But I think Boston's better than we're giving them credit for. So those are my 10 best players. Now I know what you're going to say. Well, Jason Tatum's six. Because the five guys ahead of Jason,

Tatum, if I said to you, I need a bucket now, I would trust the five guys ahead to get a bucket now. I think Tatum has got great dexterity and does everything well, but there are times in big spots where I'm not quite sure I want him or Jalen Brown shooting. But now Tatum's had his best year. I know this will be viewed as a shot, but everybody loves Ann Edwards, and I think Jason's a more complete player than Ann Edwards. right now. Two things to jump out. If Kauai is right and he's healthy, he could easily be two or three.

And so if we believe that he's going to have a healthy playoff run, considering he's probably been the best player in the league the last six weeks. Well, he also is, like a Jimmy Butler, Kauai usually plays better in the playoffs. So there's no question. I have like Jimmy Butler just missing the list. Yeah. But I just, the Clippers are the wildcar team. Everyone I think is scared of what they could be. The other thing, I mentioned this the other day. You have Mitchell there at 10. I went and saw Nick's Cavs the other day, and it was unbelievable to me to see how connected Cleveland was. They have such a great feel to them. They're so incredibly deep.

I don't know if they're quite there, but they're dangerous. And I certainly, that, Mobley and Allen in the front court and in the guards, Garland and Mitchell, that is lethal. Yeah. No, they're really well-run. They've done a really good job. So it is, listen, it's top-heavy. Celtics, OKC, and Cleveland feel better than everybody else. I think the Lakers are the best of the next group. But, I mean, Oklahoma City is good, but really young. Cleveland and Boston, I think, of the two best teams built for the playout.

OKC was the best regular season team. Cleveland, Boston, I think, are built for the best playoff run. Size. They can both defend you. Coaching. Yeah, they can both defend you at the rim, on the wing, at the point. They just, they offer a lot of stuff. I'm excited for it.

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