The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - Trent Dilfer, Where Colin Was Right, Where Colin Was Wrong

Episode Date: January 3, 2022

In this hour of The Herd with Colin Cowherd, it is obvious that the athletically and intellectually gifted people in the world just have more options. After watching the Buckeye opt-outs from the Rose Bowl and those who stepped in and shined, Colin pleads with us not to worry or grumble about what life decisions these people make. Plus, Where Colin Was Right, Where Colin Was Wrong. Also, former NFL quarterback and Super Bowl champion Trent Dilfer drops by The Herd to offer his observations from Sunday's NFL results.  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Brett Dill for 15 minutes. Well, I've got to tell yourself. The, a lot of consternation this week. weekend about players opting out and players shouldn't do that and players shouldn't do that. There was a moment in the Rose Bowl, and I'm a big believer in this. There's a lot of really great people out there. But we all go to college, the people in America that do, for one reason. More options.

Right? Like that's why I go to college. Stanford University, and they've done this over the last 10 to 15 years, Stanford University now. and they get the best of the best brains in the world. Not in America, the world. They tell their students the idea is bigger than paper. Forget the diploma.

If you get the next Uber idea, get out of here. They're not selfish about it. Like Stanford's like, we want the smartest people. Some are so smart. They will leave by the middle of their second year. They will leave our school. Stop paying us. They'll drop out.

That's what Stanford does. Well, that's what Ohio State does in recruiting. They get the best of the best. So when they're star receivers say, I'm not going to play this bowl game, and they put a bunch of freshman receivers in. And like those Stanford students, oh, good God, they're talented. That's what happens. That's what colleges are for.

So at Stanford, they know they will lose all sorts of tuition because kids will drop out because they're literally geniuses. And in Ohio State, some of your best players will drop out early. Because they're football geniuses. But the good news is Stanford has a conveyor belt. The next genius is ready to take over. It's the next person up. And in Ohio State, you've never even heard of these kids.

And they're unbelievable. So stop worrying. The truly gifted have more options. And they have a right to exercise them. Always. Doesn't mean those kids don't love Stanford. They probably had a great time for a year and a half at Stanford until they met a Mark Zucker.

Berg type kid and came out with an idea. Ohio State kids love football. But we all go to college, those who do for more opportunities. Some who are truly gifted, leave early. Put your arms around him. Everything I own in my life. My phone is from a genius. My television is from a genius.

My car, Henry Ford, is from a genius. We don't get them forever. They leave college early. They leave our communities early. Like you don't get geniuses forever. They just come into your life and they leave. And what they deposit on the time they're with us is magical. California had Elon Musk.

I'm going to Texas. He'll pry bail on Texas. What we need in society. What America is truly great at. I was in a pool. This is years ago. Years ago, 25 years ago, I'm in a pool in Mexico at a, you know, a hotel. And I'm in the pool and there's this kind of dashing looking guy.

I've got my daughter's a year old. We're in a pool. I'm with my daughter. She's never been there. It was just great, great memory. It's still etched in my brain. And there was this brilliant Beverly Hills surgeon. And I talked to everybody, cab drivers, Uber drivers, guy in a pool.

And I start talking to him. And he's from, I think he was from like Saudi Arabia. And he was brilliant. He looked like a plastic surgeon. He had a perfect face. He was just, like Fabio with a scalpel. perfect looking. And I said, you know, me talking everybody, I said, why'd you come here?

And he said, oh, there's only one America. That if you are truly gifted, he goes, and I happen to be. I had very smart parents. This is where you come with no ceiling. America. Europe's got ceilings. The Middle East has some legislative ceilings. He goes, you come to America.

There are no ceilings. It's the best place to come. have an idea, get it to market, and the market consumes it. We create more billionaires, more concert pianists, more brilliant people. This is where you come. But you don't get them forever. The great leave college early. The great leave our communities.

But the great leave an imprint. And that Rose Bowl is a great example of why opting out is amazing. Ohio State had these kids you never see before. I'm like, they may be better than the other guys. That's what happens at Stanford academically, or Ohio State, athletically. The best of the best. I'm off my soapbox. All right, Colin Wright, Colin Wrong, brought to you by Jersey Mike Subs, B-A-Sub above.

Here we go. Where Colin was right. I told you, don't freak out Justin. Herbert lost of the Texans. He's a young quarterback. He's got, what, like 30 starts? He'll bounce back. Oh, yeah, did he?

Yesterday broke the Chargers' all-time touchdown record in a season with 35, more than Dan Fouts, more than Phillip Rivers, 114 passer rating. Young quarterbacks, Joe Burrell could attest to this. They have bad Sundays. So does everybody not name Aaron Rogers? Okay? But I said, just don't worry. He's going to get a bunch of starters back.

The Chargers got nine guys that missed a game with COVID. He got nine of them back. sometimes young quarterbacks without 70, 80, 90 starts, they need their guys. And Justin got some guys back and was magical. Where Colin was raw. I had the Cleveland Browns making the playoffs and winning a playoff game. I mean, it's a top three roster.

They had a good coach. He won coach of the year and they had momentum. But if Baker's your quarterback, you're going to have turbulence and toxicity and chaos, and they could never put it together. It was either a press story. it was a game plan issue. I thought this team, I mean, the fact that this team could end up in fourth place

kind of sums it up, doesn't it? Oh, by the way, there's another quarterback in Ohio. His name is Joe Burrow. Good luck facing him 20 times in the next 10 years. Where Colin was right. Derek Carr. Listen, he doesn't have the arm of Mahomes. He doesn't run around like Josh Allen or Kyler Murray, but boy, he doesn't have Henry Ruggs.

I mean, think about this. The head coach got fired. Henry Rugg's awaiting trial. They cut their top first round cornerback. Major injury issues. I mean, Hunter Renfro is all they have now. And their great tight end, Darren Waller doesn't play. They go on the road to one of the hottest teams in the NFL.

And inexplicably, Derek Carr, big throws, down the stretch, touchdown. Give him an award. I'm not saying the MVP award. Give this guy an award. Maybe we should create some new awards. The old ones are getting tired. But this thing is swimming in chaos. And I look up every other week.

They're on the road beating a solid team. And I'm like, how? The coach, the corners, the tight end, the injuries. It's a mess. And he keeps him afloat. Where Colin was wrong. Well, I had Philadelphia pick for fourth. They're going to make the playoffs.

I had the Bengals pick for fourth and they're going to win their division. And I had Arizona pick for fourth. And they're going to get into the playoffs. So the new rule on this show, whoever I pick for fourth has a chance. chance to win their division, Cincinnati, get to the playoffs, Arizona, or Philadelphia. Where Colin was right? Listen, the verdict's in on Tua. We don't need to argue about this anymore, right?

Like, we're not going to go back and forth on Tua. Small, average arm, average athletically. Listen, it rained yesterday, and he couldn't hold on to the ball. Like, if rain's unraveling you, you're not the guy. 18 and 38, all dink and dunk, 200 yards, can't throw the ball down the feet. You know, he's kind of the opposite of Joe Burrow. He didn't make a ton of mistakes, but he never makes a play. And in the end, you have to throw the ball down the field to win.

Herbert, Mahomes, Alan, Aaron, Brady, you're going to have some picks. But I've said before, where's the it? I don't see it with size. I don't see it with arm. I don't see it with escapability. There's got to be something. You can't ask your coach to have to coach perfectly. The weather conditions can't be perfect.

The receivers can't be open. not college football. You're throwing to a spot, not an open player. Where Colin was wrong. I can't even explain the Titans. They're going to end up potentially the number one seat in the AFC. Ryan Tannehill, he's

okay. Derek Henry's been gone for two months. They had the most players in the NFL on the IR 35, so they haven't had a star quarterback health or the soul of their team. And the AFC's got a bunch of good teams. And they're going to be the number one seed, potentially. I don't even get them.

I said before the year, I didn't like their last couple drafts. I thought they became too reliant on Derek Henry. I did say their division's weird, so they had a chance to win games. But I thought it was going to be a bit of a pullback. I think I predicted 9 and 8 or 8 and 9. And with all these talented people, Ryan Tanhill is going to end up a number one seat. Mike Braville must be a heck of a coach. Where Colin was right?

I said, just get Kyle Pitts on the team in Atlanta. You can't get rid of Matt Ryan anyway for the next two years. Just get him on the team. He now becomes the second tight end, rookie tight end ever, Mike Dick is the other, with over 1,000 yards. Listen, you could have picked a quarterback, but then you wouldn't have Kyle Pitts for 10 years. And we don't know if Trey Lance, Justin Fields,

we really don't know. We don't know what they are yet. Sometimes just get a star in-house, and when Atlanta gets the next star quarterback, he'll be moving into his prime. And this is not a revel. that, you know, Kyle Pitts was going to be good. But I said before, I've never seen a tight end prospect close to Kyle Pitts, and he

burst through everything. Only Mike Ditka, and I didn't watch Mike Ditka play, but only Mike Ditka compares. Where Colin was wrong. I thought Michigan would compete with Georgia and actually with a chance to win. I did not think Cincinnati would beat Alabama. I didn't think they'd move the ball that effectively, but I thought they could compete with them. and in both instances, the games were obviously over second quarter.

I'm not somebody that beats up on the SEC. Joy is my witness. I've said this. It's the best conference with the best players. I think the Big Ten has the best coaches, but it is the best conference. I follow recruiting. Bama, LSU, Georgia. They just recruit at a different level. Good luck to Texas and Oklahoma moving into this conference.

You're battling for third. Maybe fourth of Brian Kelly can turn them around. But I thought these games, I thought Michigan had a real shot against Georgia, and it was really obvious to who series in. and the speed difference was a major, massive issue. All right, Colin Wright, Colin wrong. I hope you enjoyed my story about the doctor with a perfect face. That's what my professors at my university told me.

I was asking if I should do, you know, give my master's degree, stay in school longer, and they're like, no. Go get experience. That's going to be much more valuable to you than more education. You know what? I had a college professor, the late David Trewishy at Eastern Washington. Not to bore any of you all and take 30, 40 seconds on this. But I was, I left before graduating 12 credit shy.

And I was doing my radio, my weekly radio slot. Right. Everybody got a slot for like three hours a week. And he walked in. He had been a professor at the University of Arizona. He had moved up 10 years earlier to Eastern. And he got a better job, you know, tenure in every year. everything, and he put his head through the door, and he goes, you don't need to be here anymore.

He said, go get a job in one of those warm weather exploding cities like Vegas or Tucson. That was his exact words. He goes, Vegas or Tucson, Phoenix, they're all exploding. They're looking for young people. These cities are growing. This was 30 years ago. But he opened the door and said, you don't need to be here anymore. And I was like, all right.

Yeah, they let me graduate, but first. But that's what it is. Like, that's what, to your point, you're going to college to advance your life, to make more money to get more opportunities. That's the whole purpose of college. You can get into all the philosophical growth and all that stuff with somebody else. That's why people are going to college. That's the purpose of it. So if you're an athlete and you have an opportunity that is greater than the one that you have now because you use your opportunity in college to better yourself, you should take it. You don't owe anybody anything. The only person you owe in that spot as a young person trying to

advance your life is yourself. Good stuff. Well said, Joy Taylor. Her story is tomorrow. I gave you mine on Monday. She'll have a pool story tomorrow about somebody she met. Trent Dilfer's around the corner on a wild weekend, and here we go, playoffs nearing. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. On Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged.

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I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so you all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed. That's correct. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you finishing that sentence. Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black people.

Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Such an exciting time in the NFL. It's like a transition period where you have. Great old quarterbacks. Breeze retired.

Big Ben tonight could be his last home game. I don't think Brady has multiple years left, maybe this and next. And then the good news for the league is there's so many brilliant young quarterbacks. And they're all different. You got Josh Allen 6-6. Kyler Murray's barely six feet. They come from Oregon. They come from LSU.

They're transfers. They like baseball. It's just there's such a variety of talent. and now there's, it's not even a cottage industry. Quarterback Summit and quarterback camps. These kids are getting great coaching when they're 11, 12, 13 years old. So if you're a football fan, this is a very rare, mediocre NFL quarterback draft. It's not real great.

The previous two are really good. Next year, they think, is going to be really special. And somebody who's helped a lot of kids in that regard, Trent Dill for 15 years in the league, a Super Bowl, a Pro Bowl. Let's talk about one of those young guys. Now, I don't think a lot of people saw Trey Lance yesterday out of the Bay Area. They were watching the Cowboys game and the big afternoon games. You did.

I did as well. But I want your thoughts, your interpretation, because it was the second start, but it was a really crucial, meaningful start for him. Your thoughts on what you saw with Trey. Yeah, a massive game for the Niners in a tough spot for Trey Lance to get plugged in. And it started off terribly. I mean, he did not look the part, did not start. the game well and that's what impressed me was

his grit, his resolve, his bounce back. That's what I think the Niners love so much about it was the intangible stuff like all the other things outside the massive horsepower and talent that goes with Tray Lance. He put himself together. He had command of this

offense. He made some really creative nuanced plays extending one to his left, a bootleg where he kind of buys time going backwards and hits the cross or kind of fall away some nice downfield throws in their action package handled the run game really well and I know the fans hate hearing that but it's a huge part of playing quarterback the NFL is how you

handle the run game and all the checks at the line of scrimmage. He handled the pressure packages that the Texans threw out him really well. Just played with a great deal of poise and you could see the horsepower come out this time. Like this was the game we were like whoa, okay, he's got all the coolness. He's got all the moxie. He's got all the intangible stuff. And he's an electric athlete. He's got a big arm. There's still some stuff he can clean up with his delivery and, you know, tighten some things up. And that will come with time. But overall, really impressive performance in a big spot for a rookie quarterback. You know, Joy and I have been saying this is I, you know, and I have to move off some of this stuff where I'm used to

six, three and a half, two-fifteen, and then Jalen Hertz, who doesn't throw a pretty deep ball, but I'm like, I said this about six weeks, six, seven weeks ago, I'm like, yeah, but they score 30 points every time I watch them. I'm like, people are obviously struggling to figure out them on third down, and there's something Jalen's doing, and it's not a great O line. They have to rebuild it. What am I to make of Jalen Hertz? Is the ceiling lower?

Is it a new thing that nobody quite can figure it out? What do you make of it? Well, first let's start here. I think so many people, and not blaming you, I mean, we all, everybody makes a mistake, whether your life is quarterbacks or whether you talk about it on TV, whether you coach it. You see somebody at one point and then you kind of judge them from there. And you forget that these Uber talented players when our coached well can get better for years. Jalen Hertz has gotten a lot better in the last 18 months.

Yeah. I mean, he is way more consistent throwing the football. He said he was going to go to work on some things, and he did. And he's a much better passer. Now, he's still not an elite passer, but he's elite with a lot of other things. Their ability to run the ball because of him being a threat in the run game and all the reed stuff they do, the quarterback doesn't have to carry it a ton of times to be very dangerous. And they steal a gap in the run game so often.

now all of a sudden the defenses start coming down and being more aggressive and whatever term you want to use load the box. We're now these big opportunities in the play action game. The one thing Jalen Hertz has always done really well is throwing the football down the field. So I like what you said when we were coming on here. You can no longer say a quarterback needs to look, play a certain way. There's all different types of flavors of quarterback. It's like ice cream. We all love ice cream.

I like mint chip. like Rocky Road. The bottom line is ice cream is awesome. Quarterbacks right now are awesome. They just look different and play different and fit different into different systems and you have to appreciate what they bring your football team

within the system that you've plugged them into. You know, I was saying years ago, you could tell the difference between Aikman and Bernie Kozar. One's a Hall of Famer and one's really talented. But if you looked at their numbers in their best years, you're like, I mean, it couldn't really, you know, who's in there both.

Now, when you take a Holmes or an Allen and then kind of an average quarterback, you can see the difference. And to that, I would say, here's the reason why. I used the Jeopardy argument. Years ago, you could only win a week on Jeopardy. And then you're off the show. So everybody's obviously smart. And then Jeopardy said, no, we're going to take that out.

You can stay as long as you want. Well, then you saw geniuses. Ken Jennings won for six months straight. You're like, okay, there's a difference between a bunch of smart people and a genius. So the NFL got rid of all the grabbing receivers and head hunting. Now the top five, six guys, the game looks easy for them. Like it's almost like 11 on 11 summer drills. And so when I would tell you, some of these guys surprise me, some don't.

But let's just talk like Joe Burrow. Like I know Jemar Chase is great. But he doesn't have the biggest arm. He didn't move around like a lot of them. He's thrown for 450 yards, like regularly. Is it scheme? What is it? I don't have enough time. It's a lot of things. The one Joe Burroughs is very good. He just is not a guy that his talent doesn't jump off the page.

It doesn't go, wow. Now, he's really, really, really good at a lot of things. And then you add on what I would call the true talent, the intangible stuff, the stuff you can't measure. He's got incredible grit. He's got incredible toughness. He's got incredible moxie. He's got supreme command of what he's doing. Brady-esque with the command of what he's running at the line of scrimmage and how he sees the field. He's got elite vision. I mean, he's a guy that he could be, his eyes can start over here,

and on the TV you can barely see something happening on the right, and then he sees intuitively and gets back to it. He has great timing. He has great anticipation. Like, he has a lot of the quarterback stuff at an elite level. He's really fun to watch. I, you know, I'm old enough. You're old enough.

Remember watching Jim Kelly play? Oh, yeah. Marino, Ward Moon. To me, he feels like that generation of quarterback. To me, him and Jim, Jim Kelly are almost identical players. Really talented, but they're brilliance. Their genius is the other stuff besides their physical talent. The players just want to.

die for him. I mean, he's that kind of personality. He's got the cigar in the post-game press conference. He's got the chip on his shoulder. I feel like I was just drafted in 94 and I went to a golf term with all these Hall of Famers and they're all on the grill smoking cigars playing gin and drinking bourbon. I feel like Joe Burrough should be there with him. Like, he's that guy to me. And I liked him in college. I liked him a lot. And how could you not like him? I love him now. Like I literally sit there and feel like I'm watching these guys that I grew up idolizing that are in the Hall of Fame now, like I'm watching them through Joe Burrow. Yeah. Finally, you know, it's funny.

Matt Stafford was so brilliant in the second half yesterday. He leads the NFL in fourth quarter passerating. He's just been magnificent second halfs. But he's got pick sixes and he can be sloppy and it takes him a while to get warmed up. Does it worry you? You know, I said this earlier. Analytics has changed everything. It used to be that if you struck out a lot and hit home runs, you were a liability.

Well, that's Cody Bellinger now. Analytics is like, just don't hit ground balls. We don't care about strikeouts. In the NFL, it was lower scoring. You worried about interceptions. Brady threw a pick six one. Stafford through a pick six one. Car through two.

There's so much more scoring in offense like what I don't want is low ceiling guy. I'll deal with the pick guy occasionally. And I think that's where I've come to turn. terms with him, he's going to end up with 40 touchdown passes. Goff gave you the picks, but ended up with 20. So, like, to me, I just want guys that can make plays. Like, that's what I look at Matt Stafford. I don't love the pick sixes, but he can often win with them, right? It's a hard one for me. He did this in Detroit. I love Matt Stafford, but a lot of Zoroics was getting him out of jams that he created, right? He did this in Detroit. He's doing it with the Rams.

I believe, and I hope I'm wrong here, because I like where you're going, and I would like to see a team be able to just outscore the other team and win a Super Bowl doing that. My conservative nature, my coach hat, my years of studying the league is that one of these interceptions, they're not going to be able to overcome. Yeah. And if he continues to be careless with the ball early in games, as he has been for the majority, of his career. Yeah. That at some point, it's going to put them in a position maybe in Green Bay where you can't afford to make that mistake when the greatest player on the planet right now is going

to get the ball after you make that mistake. That's what concerns me. I almost believe, and I said this when Kansas City was struggling, and it worked for them. They almost need to get more boring, Colin. the Rams to have a chance to win the Super Bowl almost have to downshift from fifth to fourth. They don't have to go to second or third, but they got a downshift a little bit.

And that's what Kansas City did. I'm not trying to change the subject, but I think they're right. You're right. Kansas City downshifted significantly, maybe even into third. And look at them now. And now they're able to upshift a little bit more.

And every once in a while, get that V-12 into, you know, seventh gear. Every once in a while. But the Rams got to go backwards a little bit and get a little more boring here to right the ship if they're going to win a Super Bowl. And I think they're good enough to get to a championship game playing with their hair on fire. But I think they want a Super Bowl, they got a downshift a little bit and protect Matthew and some of those early game mistakes. Boy, this was good.

He's got a podcast to check out Trent's podcast, Beyond the X's and O's with Trent Delfour. he's at an undisclosed location by a giant beautiful lake. Yeah, I know where he's at. He's in a really nice place. All right, that's his beautiful home. Trentonover, great seeing you, buddy. Thanks, brother. All right.

That was really good stuff today. Boy, I just got smarter with that stuff. I got so much joy. We have so much stuff. It's just notes. Fantastic. But first, Joy, with the news. Like, that's not great.

Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. How about those Titans, huh? I don't even, Joy, I don't get it. They've had the most injuries in the league. Tannihil is okay. They lost the soul of their franchise. And that could be the number one seed.

The number one seat. Is Mike Rable the best coached we never talk about in this league? Seriously. He has to be. I think Rabel and I think Maitle Flore don't get enough credit for what they do. Like, Malthororor is just not going to get the credit

because Aaron Rogers is there. And I think, I mean, some, it's not like Tennessee has been the most consistent team. They always find their way there. But then they have these random weird losses that you're like, how do you lose to this team? How does this even happen? And by that, that's a great point. Their losses are like, they got a couple of Flaming and you know what's, but they went to

L.A. dominate the ramps. In big spots, last couple years, you're like, oh, you don't want to face these guys in big spots. Because I think they have the, they always have the ability to be physical. Yeah, that helps. And that can travel. And that that's tough for finesse teams. Well, they clinched their second straight AFC South title, the dominating win over the dolphins. Oh, now, see, that, that, this is where you need a great quarterback.

What happened? It rained a little. I've chosen not even to address this game from the dolphin side of it. I'm just watching it, like, it just, you know, this is, this is why. Like, this is, this is, this is the loss, right? Let's stop arguing. Yeah. But, like, this is what the dolphin season was.

There's a reason why they were struggling early. Like, they're still not there yet. But Tennessee, focus on the. run game. Deonté Foreman had a great performance. 26 rushes for 132 yards and a touchdown. Two has struggled. 18 passes. No touchdowns in an interception. Really careless with the ball.

I understand it was raining. But like, the thing with the weather excuses is like, is it not raining when the other team has the ball? You know, like, you got to get over rain. Russell Wilson. But I mean, it's windy for both teams. It's like just windy when you guys are on the field. So I don't want to hear that. So they've ended their seven game win streak.

They've also eliminated from playoff contention yesterday. So the AFC playoff picture is becoming much more clear now. We, it feels right, though. Like this feels like these are the teams who have been the most consistent throughout the season. The Steelers is kind of strange. Ravens, obviously, they don't have Lamar Jackson healthy, so it doesn't feel like it's their year. But this was a tough loss for the dolphins yesterday.

And this is what the Titans do. They're a physical team, and they have the opportunity to get, the number one seed. So Trey Lance stepped in for the injured Jimmy Garopolo, got his first career win. It was pretty impressive. Two touchdowns, 23-7 victory over the Texans. The Niners are still not, they're still in the playoff picture, but they haven't clinched their spot yet. They can do that next week with a win over the Rams or a Saints loss to the Falcons. So essentially they control their future. Beat the Rams and you're in. Well, Kyle Shanahan said Lance did a good job, but they'll go back to Jimmy G if he is medically cleared to play. Garapolo is reportedly expected to have surgery

on his thumb in the off season. If Jimmy Garapolo is healthy, I think he should be out there. This is a lot of you here. This is a tough spot to put a rookie in. Now, yeah, I would put Jimmy G. But I had this discussion yesterday with my buddy John Middletka, former NFL scout. I said the minute the season ends, Tray gets every snap going forward. Yes, but that's exactly why you go back to Jimmy G in this spot.

The purpose of this season, as it has played out, is for you to give Tray Lance time to develop into becoming a pro. That was a nice win for him against the Texans. But next week is essentially a playoff game. You had Jimmy Jean all year. He's the veteran. If he's healthy enough to be out there, he is the one you have to go with. You can't put Trey Lans in this situation. That's the whole reason why you didn't start him all year.

Right. So, no. But once the season's over, it's Trey Lans's team, which we all knew from the moment they took Trey Lance because what is going on with Jimmy Garoppolo right now. So here's my theory. This is going to be a good one for you. You and I could argue or talk about this. I really, I thought about this weekend.

When the season's over, I would trade Jimmy G. Of course. I don't want anybody splitting. I don't want to go to Jimmy G and go, okay, we're going to make him one and we'll split snaps. No, no, no. I'm going to say, Tray, every draft pick we get now is for you. Yes.

You have to go all 100% in. And I do think Trent made it up. Trey's got a little bit of a weird windup. It's not Sam Darnold, but it needs to be cleaned up. He's a little slow to get rid of the ball. I want him to get every snap. And then in the fifth or sixth round, I'm going to draft a quarterback behind him

that has his physical traits that's not a threat. But, I mean, Jimmy G doesn't play Trey Lance's game. No. I don't want him taking snaps. I know I can get at least a third. You can get a third round pick for Jimmy G, right? Yes, and because the quarterback market is going to be bleak, despite his availability issues,

which has always been a problem for Jimmy G, which is why Trey Lance is there in the first place, he is going to have a great landing spot. That's right. So, but I hear people, and I initially I was like, yeah, you could keep Jimmy G. And I thought about it. I'm like, no, no. No, not after this year.

I didn't love them keeping him for this year, but I understood because Tray Lance was in a unique situation with his, he's being so raw. He hadn't played football in so long. He's played, he's had three starts in two and a half years. I was comfortable with this because you know, I prefer if you take a working quarterback that he starts right away. It's the same thing with Chicago. You move all the veterans out.

Yes. It is now Justin Fields team. If you want to get another quarterback, find somebody. that shares Justin Fields' athletic talent. So if Justin misses a game, like Lamar and Tyler Huntley, perfect backup. Colt McCoy to Kyler, not close, but kind of a perfect backup. But Garampolo and Trey Lance, it's a different game.

No, they don't play the same game. And regardless of what anyone is talking about with Jimmy G and their hesitations about Trey Lance being the starter, when you give up that many draft picks, this is what it is. Like you went all in on a young rookie quarterback. Yeah. You have to let him develop. it might be a little bit of a struggle next year when he's a starter because he's still

essentially a rookie. He hasn't played a full season. So he's basically going into his rookie year next year. That's a tough division to be in with a rookie quarterback, but that's the choice that you made when you traded up to get him. So Oakland Raiders, boy, they keep their playoff hopes alive with a win over the Colts. They overcame two Derek Carr Interceptions, got the 2320 victory. By the way, this is not just a win. The Colts undress the Patriots two weeks. go. This is a real team. Close a real team.

At home. I mean, that is a biggest Raider win in three years. That's as big a Raider win. Derek, I'm with you. We need to come up with like an award. It's not the MVP award, although you could argue. How about the life preserver, the life preserver award for, I mean, seriously. It's like most, you know what?

It should be, you know what it should be? It should just be most outstanding player. Like most outstanding player. In crisis. It's kind of like miscongeniality. Right. Like, not the winner, but we see you, girl. Like, this is, this is remarkable what Derek Carr has done.

It's aside from, there's just so much chaos. I'm with you. When someone manages to win in spite of institutional chaos, like not a guy falling apart, not losing a big player, institutional chaos, you deserve a massive amount of power. I was thinking about this. So I'm driving in this morning and I'm thinking, okay, if the charger, Raiders play next weekend. Yeah, they will be an AFC wildcard team, the winner of that game.

And I thought to myself, I've been so good on the Chargers this weekend to win significantly. I've been good on the Chargers all year. I picked them to lose multiple times when. If you're asking me who's going to win that game, I'm like, it would be the Raiders because every time I've doubted them this year, they've won. And every time I'm about to fall in love with the Chargers, they've lost. And I'm saying, who's going to win the game? well, Chargers have a better team.

There's no question. Every single time I've bailed on the Raiders, and often it's been a dominating win on the road or a shocking win. They're like Tennessee. It's hard to figure them out. There's some magic in that locker room for Tennessee and the Raiders that just works.

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Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get Your podcasts. So here's a number that jumps out at you. Aaron Rogers against the NFC North, his division. Last two years. 36 touchdowns, no interceptions.

Yeah. Why would he leave? Go to Denver and face Patrick Mahomes twice a year, Justin Herbert twice a year, and Derek Carr twice a year. Go to the Steelers and face Joe Burrow twice a year. Lamar's coming back. one of the reasons Tom Brady was so successful, and it's a big reason why,

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One of the reasons LeBron was so dominant in the NBA and LeBron's great, but the Eastern Conference for 15 years was a circus. It's just now getting okay. It matters. If you look at the greats of all time, they got breaks. The best basketball team in the history of my life

is Michael Jordan's Bulls. Couldn't get through the Pistons when Isaiah and Lombard. Beer and Chuck Daly. All in their prime couldn't get past them. They got old. Couldn't get past the Celtics and Byrd and McHale. They got old.

And when they finally beat the Lakers in the championship, Lakers got old. In their prime, let's be honest, there was no great teams. By the time they got in their prime, Seattle was really good, not great. Portland was really good, not great. Orlando was really good, not great. The next were good but not really good or great. Indiana was good, they weren't great. I'm not saying Michael wouldn't have won a lot of titles.

But let's be honest, he went six for six, because a lot of years, he couldn't even win a playoff series until he got Pippet. Part of Michael's greatness was he never faced another real dynasty. That's why Magic got to nine finals, but lost four. Because Magic faced Bird in his prime, the second best player in a dynasty. I've always said, Michael's better than Magic, but the gap we make it sound. like Michael's here and, you know, Magic's way down there. Magic had to face a concurrent dynasty.

Phil Mickelson had to face in his prime, Tiger in his prime. Don't kid yourself on this. Brady would have more Super Bowls if it didn't have to get through Peyton Manning. So when you look at Aaron, don't try to get happier than happy. Part of what makes this great. You know, it should be, somebody once told me this, you should end up in any industry living on the beach in L.A. the last 10 years. If you've worked hard, it's a reward. You get sunsets and mimosas.

It's an easier life out here. You don't get snow. You don't get the, it's an easier life, right? The beach, the sunset, the walks. It's a reward. Like, it should be easier for quarterbacks as they get old in the perfect world. Aaron's got Minnesota. Don't have a star quarterback. Probably have a new coach. He's got Chicago. Going to have a new coach in the system. We don't know if Justin Fields is going to be great.

And Detroit, never great. Coach quarterback, I mean, it's Detroit. And so don't kid yourself, virtually every single division in the NFL's got a star quarterback or two, except the one Aaron's in, where he's the only one. And you want to get buys? Oh, they get a buy this year. You want to get a buy every year, one fewer playoff game, and then you just win one game at Lambo, and you're in the conference championship. or you can go on the road. Chargers, Kansas City.

Kansas City is the best team in the AFC. They're not going to finish with the number one seed. That's what happens when you have a competent Chargers team, a competent Raiders team. What happens to what Denver gets a quarterback with that roster? So like, don't try to sometimes get happier than happy. If life's easy for you right now, that's good. That's good. Like this situation in Green Bay.

Star Free Agents, but let's be honest. Star Free agents historically hit about 33% of the time. Most don't. So Aaron doesn't get free agents, but he doesn't play for a franchise that waste money on free agents. They do an unbelievable job of drafting and developing offensive lines. It's amazing how many Pro Bowl offensive linemen, they never take them in the first round. Yes, they hurt your feelings on Jordan Love. Rip up the script, write a new contract, that's not a threat.

But 36 touchdowns, no picks. seasons against that division. Aaron, take the wins. I know it's just a small town. There's an applebee's around the corner, but it's a pretty good situation. A huge chunk of Brady's success is one home playoff game off a buy off to the conference championship. That is a huge, huge break.

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