The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - Trouble in New York

Episode Date: December 11, 2024

Colin has a possible outcome for Russell Wilson and the Steelers after this season The Jets and the Giants are horrible, but Colin has some advice on how these two teams can be fixed   Guest: Albert Breer  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Andy Reid got let go in Philadelphia. Head coaching, you are hired to eventually, even if you're an all-time grade, to be let go. That is the reality of head coaching in the NFL. But to be a great coordinator for year after year, after year, really take something. And Josh McDaniels, for a long time, was the best offensive coordinator with the best head coach and the best quarterback of all time. So there's a story out there. I find this interesting, the Russell Wilson contract. So J-MAC, Russell Wilson has earned in his 13-year career. This is amazing.

$304 million. That is a lot. and so Russell right now is one of the best bargains in football but not for Denver they're still paying him he's a bargain for Pittsburgh okay he's not you're not playing for free so Denver's paying him not Pittsburgh now Russell wants a new contract

and I would give him one but here's the thing Russell is an aging slightly declining player from three years ago, that's indisputable. Pittsburgh has no reason to hurry. There's not a huge market for him. And the other key is, let's see the next three to four weeks. The schedule for Pittsburgh is the ultimate truth serum. At Philly, at Baltimore, Kansas City, and then high-scoring Cincinnati.

They go two and two, oh, and four. Maybe he's not the answer. So to me, you sign stars early. Don't screw around with top talent. But if somebody's a great fit, then you can wait. And I think Russell Wilson is more great fit than he is currently great player. It's not a criticism. He is absolutely an upgrade at a position of need.

And secondly, he's not spectacular, nor is he in his prime. And so, again, Josh Allen, Lamar, Herbert, sign him early. Don't waste your time. Don't even go to the last year of the deal. Get it done early. That's not Russell. And part of Russell's appeal, and this may sound harsh, but two of his wins are against Cleveland, and part of his appeal is he's better than we thought.

We came in the Russell Wilson-Steeler thing, very low expectations. And truck stop food is amazing when you're starving. And he is now solved, let's be honest, this offense for five or six years was awful. And it's no longer awful. It's not high, electric, dynamic, wow. It's not Buffalo. You know, it doesn't look like Detroit or Philadelphia. It's not those teams or the Rams against the bills.

It's not that. But when you're starving, you know, it's amazing what tastes great. And I think Russell also has to come to terms with he's getting paid great now for a team he doesn't even have to play for. So to me, Pittsburgh is a great fit. Now, superstars work anywhere. Russell doesn't work anywhere. He didn't work in Denver. And he wasn't getting the Seahawks to the playoffs.

So to me, if I'm Russell, he didn't take a player-friendly deal in Seattle, nor did he take one in Denver. This is probably a time for Russell Wilson to go, you know what? Coach, they draft well, they develop. I got a star, semi-star back, a star receiver. This to me is that, you know, I've made a lot of dough. Do you want to go to Aaron Rogers and make more money and go to the Jets?

Or do you want to really be with a great, well-capitalized business with a history of winning? Again, when you're a superstar, it's different. When you're good and you're a great fit, that's when I think money can't drive the decision. Mahomes, let money drive a lot of it. And with that, Albert Breer joins us. Let's talk about that briefly. They're in no hurry. Pittsburgh's not going to sign them before the season.

What is a number? Is it a Daniel Jones number? Is it a short contract? What sounds reasonable on Russell Wilson? You know, I haven't asked around as much on Russell, but I did ask on Sam Darnold, and I think these things are probably in the ballpark. Now, Sam Darnold's obviously a lot younger,

so you might get guarantees that go out a little further. But I think Sam has now played his way into the $30 to $40 million range per year. Which is where Baker was. I think when you look at Sam, it's Baker with inflation. And so, like, then how does that relate to Russell, who's 10 years older than Sam? Right. Like, I do think it sort of sets the price. You know, Derek Carr didn't have a huge market a couple years ago, but he let other players set the market for him.

I think that's probably the way it would go with Russell Wilson if he hit the market, where a guy like Sam Donald, because of his age, would come off the market faster. Yeah. And that would help inform the Steelers and other teams what Wilson's worth. Yeah, that's really interesting. So you've done your calls on Darnold 30 to 40, which I would be very comfortable paying for Sam. I don't think you're going to get the Minnesota Sam because he's not taking Justin Jefferson or Kevin O'Connell with him. But I think if you get some version of this.

Or Jordan Anderson or T.J. Hawkins. Yeah, it's a really good fit. By the way, on Darnold. One more to on Darnold. My argument is, why not franchise tag him? Can you let an MVP candidate out of the? the building what are they going to do on that so this is like this is obviously a champagne problem you know yeah a problem to have there's too many quarterbacks and um they they love what they

saw from j j mccarthy up through august okay problem is they didn't get to see them in september in october in november in december practicing so they didn't get what you would normally get if you were redshirting a rookie quarterback and like do you get them back in april or do you get them back in June. There's some variables there. So they can love the kid, which they do. They can love what he did for them when he was on the field, which they do. But there's still some projection going on there that wouldn't be going on if he didn't get hurt. And I think the question for the Vikings becomes when you've got a team that can win right now, and you've got a bunch of players that are ready to contend and win right now, and a team that at this point is 11 and 2, can you roll the dice?

be willing to ride out some of the bumps that you might not see coming with j j mccarthy yeah um or do you buy the one year insurance policy at more than 40 million dollars because the franchise tag is going to be above 40 million dollars in 2025 do you buy that one year insurance policy with sam darnald have both of them on the roster next year and figure it out after um i think they could do that it's sort of if you go back and look historically at it i think it's sort of what the chargers did with drew breeze in 2005 if you go all the way back and you remember they drafted Philip Rivers in 04. Breeze had a great year.

Breeze played much better than they expected. They went 12 and 4. They franchised him in 05, and then Philip Rivers became the quarterback in 06. Certainly there's some precedent for doing that. The franchise tag does give the Vikings an option to sort of slow play this a little bit longer. Okay, so WIP Radio, this is what they do.

They get people worked up. Brandon Graham says Jalen Hertz, A.J. Brown, They're not tight. Now, some of this is, we've heard it from Debo and Malik neighbors and C.D. Lamb and Devonte Adams, wide receivers are the most verbal players in the league. They are, they have been my entire life, whatever. But so this feels like there's a real issue here. What are you hearing?

Yeah, I think there's just, there's a personality thing with Jayette hurts that's existed, and I think it's existed as he's coming to the league, which is, I don't think he's a bad guy. but is he going to put his arm around a guy and make sure that he gets the ball to a certain guy and play K people on the I don't think that's who he is right so you know I think that there's that part of it where you're always managing that to some degree with Jalen Hertz and again like I think like deep down he is a really good guy but there is that element that you're dealing with with him and I mean look like he and a j. Brown had a great relationship before they were playing together But as you know, Colin, it's different having a great relationship with somebody when you see them three or four times a year versus being in the building with them every day.

Right. You know, so I think they're managing through some of that. The good news is I think they've got an emotionally intelligent head coach in Nick Siriani, who I think is very good at navigating these sorts of things. I think you do have to manage it. And, you know, obviously there's the shifting in what the offense is now versus where it was a year ago based on the fact. the Sequin Barclay is there, and Sequin Barclay is having a historic season. Now it's on the coaches to sort of manage these things. And again, the good news is I think Seriana is good at these things, and they've been

down this road with hers before. I got to ask you, the coaching search for the Bears. So I said yesterday, some jobs are too big in any industry for a first-timer. Ben Johnson, Joe Brady, there's too many obstacles and hurdles here. Brian Flores has coached. Now, he created some of the Miami dysfunction, but he's a culture creator. I mean, you remember that Miami season, the first eight games they were awful. And then like week nine, their special teams in defense were top of the league.

He's got a resume. He's acknowledged his mistakes. He's been reflective. He's done a great job everywhere he's been. And even Miami, he had success. The two thing didn't work. I think he's learned from it. I think, however, he'd be my one A.

I think when you're a mess of an organization, you go culture changer first. Scheme second. Dan Campbell, Jim Harbaugh. I think Vrabel's the fit here to me. Am I wrong? Yeah. So, like, first of all, like, I think the default for everybody in a situation like this, when you have a guy who has drafted first overall is like, go find a quarterback's guy, right?

Right. Like, when you look at the Bears, and this is to your point, Colin, do they scream like, we need to bring in somebody to work with one player. You know what I mean? Like, no. Like, they need somebody who can do more than that. And, like, they need somebody who's going to come in and change what they've been. It's been 15 years since they won a playoff game. They've run through a lot of different coaches there.

They've vacillated back and forth between defensive coach and offensive coach and all of those different things. And I think they need somebody, and I think they recognize this. They need somebody who's going to put their foot, maybe going to be able to put his foot in the ground and drive the organization in a certain direction. and to me that's Mike Vrable. Now, my question would be whether or not Vrable would want to go there

because I think he's going to have options. And Vrable dealt with a complicated ownership situation in Tennessee with changing front office structure. Very. And they've got a new team president in Chicago. They've got old school ownership. Does Mike Vrable want to walk into that situation if he's got options? I think the Bears would want him.

Well, he want the Bears is the question. And I think I'm with you on the leader of men thing. I think that that's very real there because it's why they wanted to get a look at Thomas Brown because he fits that bill. And I think, you know, again, like the names, Brian Flores is a good name. He's actually a college teammate of Ryan Poles at Boston College.

Not sure if you knew that. Wow. But there is a connection there and he would be good for that sort of place. I think Aaron Glenn, if you want to pluck from the division, I think Aaron Glenn's got a lot of the same qualities that Dan Campbell had when the Lions hired him in 21. So there are some good names out there. But I'm with you.

I don't think that this is necessarily. a quarterback-centric higher because I think they need somebody who can do a lot more than just get one player up and running. All right. I know this is a college question, but you have an excellent knowledge of college football. The Belichick- Carolina thing, and I said this, when Dion went to Colorado, I truly believe Dion wanted to elevate the lives of young men. Belichick, I think he wants to elevate the life of one man, and that's his son to the head

coaching job eventually, and that's fine. I'm a dad. I get it. It just doesn't. He comes in with a 400-page binder. He wants his kid to get the job. Carolina's, because of their rivalry with Duke, such an academic institution,

they take academics very seriously as they should, and they're very proud of it. This feels, I don't know, it just doesn't feel like it would work. Well, let me take you through what I think his thought process is here. Like, I think that the first piece of it is he was, like my sense is he was pretty stunned by the lack of interest last year for NFL from NFL teams.

So that's number one. Because I think his preference still is to stay in the NFL. Number two, he's had a 30,000 foot view now of the league. And he's seeing how many of these places don't have their you know what together. Right. And so he's looking at the jobs that are open now. It's like, do I want to go work with Kevin Warren in Chicago? Would I ever work for Woody Johnson, New York?

And then, you know, I think he's like taking that and extrapolating it and saying, well, if I don't like the three jobs that are open right now, how many more are going to come open and which of those is going to wind up being ideal for me and set up the way that I want to do it? Do I want to go to a place that's got a team president that's got a medal? Do I want to go to a place where I've got a general manager

that I don't align with? Do I want to go to a place where I've got an owner who's listening to sports radio and coming in with ideas every day? Like, you know, and like I just don't know that the perfect situation exists. I think that's what he struggles. What he's struggling with right now

is he's got the bird in the hand. does he take that over to in the bush? And then the flip side of it is the research that he and the people around him have done into the college game. And the way they look at it is college football is moving closer to the NFL and they'd be more equipped to deal with challenges in college than a lot of college coaches. NIL is salary cap. Transfer portal is free agency. Dionne Sanders does no home visits. So would Bill Belichick have to do home visits?

Probably not. The rules are changing. So now you can put recruiters on the road so he can hire coaches just to coach. He could set it up a certain way where he could go to the third and fourth and fifth year guys and say, come here for a year and I will turn you into an NFL player. You know, this team is telling you you're a fourth round pick. I'll turn you into a second round pick. I think there's a path there where I think he might be able to turn around a college team,

a college program faster than he could in an NFL program and just go and coach. and do it his way. And so I think that that is where his thought process is right now, and I think there's a chance we get an answer today on whether or not he's going to be the next coach at North Carolina. Albert Breer, Monday morning quarterback. Good seeing you, bud. Good to see it, Colin.

One of the things Albert pointed to is Bill Belichick and Mike Vrable don't want a lot of these jobs. This is something I've talked about, almost ad nauseum, is that as the wealth gap has widened, It used to be owners were worth $4 to $700 million. That's a lot of money. But they didn't like firing a year or too early. They didn't like paying people $9 million to not work.

But billionaires now, like the poorest owners in the NFL are worth a billion. Some are worth $30, $40, $50. If Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk was interested, you could have people that eventually are almost, you know, their companies are trillion-dollar companies. So it's just rounding errors and they get more impulsive and they get crazier and they're just willing to blow out staffs. And I think it shows you is this Albert saying that Belichick's like, I'm looking at the openings. Who wants to take the Jets and the Bears job? And I don't blame them.

I think the Bears is a lot. There's no way you can give it to a coordinator. I mean, Matt Nagy, a very agreeable, likable guy came from the Andy Reed tree, which is a good, tree got him to the playoffs twice with Mitch Tribisky and they complained the entire time. And that was with Aaron, Stafford, and Kirk Cousins in their prime in the same division. And then nobody liked him. So it's very rare. And I say this, there's six great coaches in this league and there's six to seven great

quarterbacks and maybe seven to eight great GMs. And that's all the great owners there are. billionaire doesn't equal brilliant air a lot of these guys are family money never really run an organization it's a toy not a business their NFL team and they're impulsive and they you know they've they've got their personal issues and their family issues and they take it out on the team so

you know Vrable should be the bear's choice I'm not sure if I'm Mike Rable if I take it. And I love Chicago. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week, within the IHeart radio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers. And guess what?

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is the worst record since 1960 between the two. It is a mess. I mean, I say this all the time. This weekend, I got to watch the Chargers with Justin Herbert, and then the Rams with Matt Stafford. I'm like, our quarterback coach play, Harbaugh, Sean McVeigh, the New York teams are a disaster. And now I will say this, of the two,

Colin, which one has a chance to get good fast? I think it's the Giants for like four obvious reasons. Their owner, the Giants owner, isn't my favorite, but he's not as impulsive as Woody Johnson. They also potentially have a number one or a number two draft pick, meaning a rookie quarterback and five years with a rookie quarterback contract. Number three is the New York Giants have more cap space next year than the New York Jets. And number four is the Giants have an offensive coach good enough to get Daniel Jones into and winning a playoff game.

So the Giants aren't perfect. They need a right tackle, an elite corner, and they've got to get another weapon, preferably a wide receiver, but a tied end would do. That's what they need. The Jets need an enema. Nothing works. The Aaron drama, Woody Johnson, it's, I mean, the top candidate is Mike Vrable or Belichick. I don't think either, unless it was the perfect GM, Vrable wouldn't take it, and Belichick wouldn't. So I will say this, J. Mack, I want you to watch this.

In the last three seasons, I have staked my claim to four teams being better than Vegas thought. Remember three years ago? I said, Minnesota Vikings. I said, they're going to be the shock team in the league. They won 13 games. Last year, everybody said the Rams were awful. I said, no, they're not. McVean Stafford, they will fight for the playoffs.

They ended up winning a playoff game. Or no, getting to the playoffs. This year I said, Washington will be the surprise playoff team, and Denver is double the win total. Vegas is predicting. So I'm four for my last four on my surprise teams. Vikings, Rams, Denver, and Washington. I may not have a great blazing five every week, but I love finding when Vegas misses on a team's personnel or prospects. If the Giants

Land Shadour Sanders They are one of two teams Right now, I would say would be my surprise team next year. They got to get Shadour I don't think Cam Ward can turn you around that quick. They need a right tackle, they need a corner, and they've got to get somebody beyond Malik neighbors. They just don't get any tight-end production at all.

But I think the Giants, I got an offensive coach, I got a left tackle, I got a great defensive front, I got a young star rush end, a star receiver. They need to shut down corner somewhere. And when you have a rookie quarterback, you can go pay for that. There will be a wide receiver and a corner on the market. I would overpay a little for a corner, probably not a receiver.

I just draft one. J-Mack with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Much of Hard Knocks was on last night, Cowherd. And Mike Tomlin stole the show again. He's got this talented young quarterback, Joey Porter Jr.

Yeah. He's matching up with A.J. Brown and Devontas Smith this week on Fox. And Tomlin took some time to motivate his young cornerback. You care more about it than I do. Yeah. You know what I mean? I'll because, shoot, I'm going to be great at the end of the day. It'll be great.

It's going to be great today. You better push forward towards it today, but you're going to happen as quickly as you like. Oh, I love him. I think Tomlin has a very much a Pete Carroll feel. He is a walk-around coach. He's a motivator. He connects with players. Got that storytelling ability.

Great at the podium. Don't know if he's a schematic whiz. But Tomlin's value, if you go look at his record as an underdog coach, he's unbelievable. He is the best underdog coach in the last decade. So if you back Pittsburgh and Tomlin into a corner, they come out fire breathing. They're not always a great favorite. They're not always good late. But they are, when you back them in a corner, like Philadelphia, is all the side.

Everybody loves Philadelphia. They got better players. I think four and a half for Tomlin is very tasty. Miley, interesting. So two quick things. So, number one, did you see Porter putting on contacts in hard knocks? Who wears contact lenses now? I thought everybody got LASIC.

Did you get LASIC for the eyes? No. I'm never going to let sharp objects near my eye. My dad was an optometrist. I'm not letting it happen. So you wear contacts? Every day. Wow.

I ditch those a while back. I put one in, pop it out. Okay. So the next thing is Joey Porter may want to get LASIC because he is the most penalized quarterback in the league. He's aggressive. He's handsy. He's grading out horribly for pro football focus.

Listen, I know we don't do a lot of prop bets on this show, but A.J. Brown's comments. Kellen Moore coming out talking about A.J. Brown's comments. Joey Porter being very penalty-heavy, handsy. This is lining up for an AJ Brown big game in this matchup on Fox against the Steelers. Are you sure? Yeah. That means less Saquan Barkley getting off what's winning for you.

No thank you. No, they're going to be going to. You've got to keep him happy. You have to. You can still have a heavy dose of Saquan Barkley. But AJ Brown, I will say I would look at his numbers over receptions and over yards. This is screaming like a nine for a buck, three. You think he's getting 132 yards?

Against the Steelers. This ain't the steel curtain defense. Come on, dude. Come on. It's pretty good. It's pretty good. Oh, geez. All right, I guess we're on opposite side, didn't it?

I like Eagles here. All right. Next up is the Philadelphia 76ers. It's been a rough season, Colin. There's your boy, Joel Embed in street clothes. The Sixers are 7 and 15 12th in the east. And Embed, man, at least they have him back in the lineup. The former MVP recently talked about recovering from his knee injuries.

It's been extremely depressing. It's something that hasn't been figured out, and it's been extremely annoying, because I would love to play every single game. I mean, Mbid is not, like, in his late 30s or even mid-30s. He's still a young-ish guy, and for all these injuries, and he's always in street clothes, I feel like we've seen peak Joe L.M.B., probably.

We've seen peak sixers. Let's stop the game. Wait a minute. I had credible NBA reporters this summer. I saw they were saying this is the best big three in the league with Embed, Maxie, and Paul George. I've sold my Mbid stock two years ago. I'm done. I like Paul George and Maxie.

But they're not going anywhere. You're not winning an NBA championship. If Joel M.beed in May and June is the centerpiece of your team, he struggled in the Olympics. He was the only guy that didn't fit the Olympic team. When are people going to come to terms with individually gifted? team fabric, not great. He is not, now you can say, well, if you look at the net rating for the sixers,

I'm not saying he can't make them better, but when you put him with stars in the world stage, he was the only star that didn't fit. He's not an easy fit. He has the ball in his hands too often on the perimeter. You compare him to Shaq. Shack wasn't taking the ball away from Kobe 18 feet from the hole. Listen, he's had a good career,

numbers are great, but his injuries totally stink. Colin, final story is we need you to stretch before doing your victory lap over your guy, Sam Donald, okay? Listen, he's playing the best football of his entire career, and Vikings OC Wes Phillips knows it. We all know that, you know, Sam is going to be a sought-after type of guy from wherever that may be. Whatever his future ends up being is, I know all of us in this building are going to be, happy for him no matter, no matter where that ends up being. I don't think he has to worry about that anymore. I think the worry might have been, okay, this is my opportunity to play. All right,

he's passed all that. He's proven the doubters, and he's proven that he can play in this league. So, if I was a GM in New York, I didn't like Zach Wilson. I didn't like Daniel Jones. I did like Sam Darnold. Sounds like a three for three from the old king. Oh, boy. I still don't have a landing spot for Darnold next year, Colin. Time out. Where's the draft order? Anybody back there have the draft order?

So right now it's Vegas and the Giants up top. Now, there is a report. I don't know if you saw this. I talked about it on my podcast, but there's a big booster in Miami who says Cam Ward is going to the Giants. And that's because Dion does not want Chador in New York. So let's just put Chador to the Raiders and Cam Ward to the Giants. Yeah, it doesn't matter.

Where do you see Sam Darnal go? Okay. So take the Raiders and Giants off the board. Okay. Patriots don't need one. Panthers won't. Jags probably won't. Titans may, but I think they'll stay with Levis.

I wouldn't. I'd move on. So I think the Titans are in play for Sam Darnold. Or do they go Jalen Milro? I think they would go Darnold. The Jets won't. Cleveland won't. Bears won't. Saints won't.

Okay. Okay. So I'm saying there are two teams. The Titans absolutely are going to be in play. Okay. Okay, that's just, we got 22 more teams. Yeah, the other teams are good and they have quarterbacks. It's a limited market.

Remember Justin Fields last year? I said there would be a robust market. You scoffed. There really wasn't. As things change, I'm just telling you, I don't see, Colin. You look at the rest of the league. It's like, what am I getting in Darnold? I'm not getting this guy who thrived in Minnesota.

Let me ask you, if Seattle doesn't make the playoffs or gets hammered in the playoffs. Interesting. mildly interesting. You're going to go back to Gino Smith? I think that's one in play. Okay. I'll give you that. Yeah, it's a big if, though, if they don't make the playoffs.

There's no way Sam Darnold has one team. Again, I mean, I'll challenge you. Like, find it. Like, Atlanta's got Pennix waiting in the wings, right? You look around some of the other teams. Like, Tampa's got Baker. They got their guy. I don't really see it.

Like New Orleans Saints? They don't even have a coach yet. And is the new coach going to say, I got my guy, Sam Darnal. who I want. That's how they get fired in two years. You know? I like Donald. He's had a great season. So you think he has, you think Tennessee's the only team that'll be interested? Well, you said Tennessee. I don't even know that they would go for it.

Like, I know he's better than Will Levis, but is Callahan like, yeah, that's what I want to do. I honestly, I'm dead serious when I say this. Would you be shocked if Arizona moved Kyler Murray? I'd need to look at the financials and see what, like, if there's a hit. Do you think Kyler would have a bigger market than Sam? I personally don't. I used to. I'm not sure.

Sam, you get great intangibles. With Kyler, you get talent and no intangibles. What is Kyler Murray? I don't know. That was your guy. Remember you were hanging with him at the UFC fight? Let me throw another name out to you. Indianapolis.

No, no, no. Are you sure? If you watched, I mean, I like Anthony Richardson. I like his athletic ability. Dude, it's not close. I talked to an executive two weeks ago, and he's like, That's not a good college quarterback. Yeah, I get that. Remember, they also said, hey, Joe Flacco gives us the best chance to win.

And within like three weeks, Richardson was back. All right. It's going to be tough for Donald. I don't know. I think he's a good quarterback. He's having a great year. I'm rooting for him, but, like, Jets aren't going for him. Unless they get Pete Carroll's right.

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They outcoached them. They outplayed them. They outsmarted them. It was so easy. Kiron Williams, Puka Nakua, Cooper Cop. I mean, the Rams don't even have their starting tight end. They did whatever they wanted to. And I was sitting over the last few years, I've really felt there was a 10-year period that the Patriots were the best team.

but I thought the NFC had more quality teams. And then because so many AFC owners and GMs hit on young star quarterbacks, the AFC for the last several years has been up here and the NFC's down here. I think the NFC has again surpassed the AFC when I watched the Rams beat the bills. I mean, the bottom of the AFC is awful. 11th is goofy Cleveland. Well, bottom of the NFC, Carolina not almost, no. not only almost beat Philly this weekend, San Francisco's the 11th best team.

So the NFC, to me, the middle and the bottom is much stronger. Now, do they have a Burrow, an Allen, a Lamar, a Herbert, a Mahomes? No, they don't. And if you take out Matt Stafford, and I love Jared Gough, but if you take out Matt Stafford, he's about the only guy that you can put up against a Mahomes, a Burrow, an Alan, a Herbert, and you feel like you have an equal or a superior on any given Sunday or Monday. I mean, let's be honest.

I like Jalen Hertz, but Philadelphia coaches, since the buy, have been taking passes away. And in the last four games, Green Bay is reducing the number of throws Jordan Love is making, and I'm a big Jordan Love fan. He's averaging about 22 passes in his last four games. And so Green Bay and Philadelphia, with good young quarterbacks, not great good, are saying we want our quarterback to throw less. So I do feel like the quarterbacks are superior. in the AFC.

And that matters a lot. But I think the teams are better in the NFC, and I just got this this morning. The NFC is 41 and 29 against the AFC. So it's not particularly close. NFC is back to being the better conference. Now, the key is for the NFC, because the AFC not only has better quarterbacks,

they're all in their prime. You know, the Burroughs, Mahalms, Alan Lamar, they're all in their prime. Stafford's not. Goff's probably late prime. to late prime. So it's essential that the NFC, that Jaden, Daniels, and Washington, Michael Pennix, J.J. McCarthy in Minnesota, Pennix in Atlanta, and Caleb Williams hit, because then you can have star quarterbacks and the better conference. I will say this, Josh McDaniels was on earlier.

He was an hour ago. He was phenomenal. And I asked him, if you went into Chicago right now, coach or coordinator, what would be the first line of business to fix Caleb Williams and the offense? What's in his bucket that he feels really good about? And you start with that and honestly major in that. And then if you say, hey, I think there's a few things that would help us as a team if we could add these to your bucket. Think if we do this, that helps us get the ball down the field more. We can get this guy the ball if we do some, you know, some of this. But I think to me it has to start with where he's comfortable.

And look, these rookie quarterbacks, as we've seen, there's been flashes of great play from all of them. Some of them have hit like a little bit of a lull or a wall, if you will, and then you kind of got to get them back. And so I think to me it starts with, what do you feel most comfortable doing on a play-to-play basis? Let's do more of that. And I also think when an organization feels like they're a little lost at sea,

like the Jets. You got to hire a culture changer. The Chargers. They weren't poorly owned, but after Brandon Staley, you felt like, man, you've got to get the locker room back. They went and got Jim Harbaugh. Detroit for years, a mess. They went and got Dan Campbell.

I think when the organization is dealing with a lot of turbulence, you have to get a culture changer, not just a guy that's good with schemes. Green Bay got LaFleur. He's a scheme guy. He's developed into a culture building. but they didn't need a culture fixer. Green Bay is always good.

Green Bay is well run. They didn't need a culture changer. Houston did with D'Amico. And Mike Vrable, to me, is the overwhelming and obvious fit for Chicago. Albert Breer joined me about an hour ago, 45 minutes ago, on if Vrable would be interested. They need somebody who's going to come in and change what they've been. It's been 15 years since they won a playoff game.

They've run through a lot of different coaches. there, they've vacillated back and forth between defensive coach and offensive coach and all of those different things. And I think they need somebody, and I think they recognize this, they need somebody's going to put their foot, maybe going to be able to put his foot in the ground and drive the organization in a certain direction. And to me, that's Mike Vrable. Does Mike Vrable want to walk into that situation if he's got options? I think the bears would want him. Will he want the bears is the question. Yeah. I don't know if he take the job. I know Michael Little. I don't know if he take the job.

Not easy. And it does show you that Breer said that Belichick and Vrable are both gun-shy. I mean, Jim Harbaugh, why do he pick the Chargers? It's like, okay, I got Herbert and a left tackle. We can go from there. And it's worked pretty well. So it's really funny. If you're somebody that has options in life, what are you thinking about?

I've said this forever. You can't just chase money, chase good ownership or management. There's money out there in a lot of industries, right? There's a lot of money. There's not a lot of great vision, not a lot of great management. And I think what you're seeing is that's why what D'Amico Ryans did with Houston is so impressive. I had heard stories that when, you know, people were going on Zoom calls and they were talking about, like, doing coaching hires for Houston. some of the Zoom calls were comedy.

It was a bit of a circus. So D'Amico's come in and C.J. Stroud, both very committed, bottom line, no nonsense, and they've centered it. So, you know, you've got to consider a lot if you got options, and there's multiple suitors, and I think Chicago offers, and the other thing about the Chicago job, and we've got to be totally honest here, this is the best division in football. I mean, Chicago is actually a really talented fourth-place team. but Minnesota, great head coach, superstar offensive players, Green Bay, exquisitely run, excellent, excellent skill players, quarterback,

wide receiver, now running back, tight end. Detroit, could be the best roster in the league. Great front office, excellent quarterback, best O line in the league easily. So you take the Chicago job, you are looking uphill. It's like, you know, I've said this, when Sean Payton, took the Broncos job, I'm like, okay, Mahomes, read, they're going to be around a while.

You know, that's Tiger Woods in his prime. You're not going to win a lot of majors. So there you go. Mark Sanchez will be joining us in one hour from now, J. Mack. Have you watched, have you watched the Belichick story, Simmer today? Are you waiting for it?

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