The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 2 - Warriors, Lakers

Episode Date: June 2, 2022

The Warriors were never beaten when they were whole Charles Barkley's comments on the Lakers new head coach Guest: Quinn CookSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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N-1, Messi. How long is he going to be around? Well, he's been great forever. And the ratings are up on everything right now. And it's so interesting in our business. And I know I don't like to really get into our industry. Like other shows do that, that's fine. I think it's great.

There are people that just talk about that. But for years and years and years, I would watch television. And I never understood why sports wasn't easily the most popular thing. It was live. You couldn't recreate it. There was different games in different sports. my entire life. It was like, why are people watching scripted dramas and some of this stuff's not believable?

Like, you know, I would get the occasional game show or the occasional great show, Sopranos. You know, I get that. But now it's the only thing on TV that gets a huge rating is sports. And I feel like it took 40 years of my life to finally for it to be true. But everybody's caught up with us that it's the only thing that's live. You can't script it. I know you all think the NBA finals is rigged. I know you, that's why Milwaukee won last year.

That's why Memphis was the shock of the league this year. But it's, as I watched the match, you can televise anything from anywhere. Do you understand, like our fall at Fox, we're going to have the NFL college football, the World Cup. Everything's a bad. When I was, when we were younger, you didn't get every game on television. You didn't get, I don't even know, I don't even remember where the World Cup was televised when I was 15 years old. I don't even know if it was.

in America. I can now watch European soccer. I can watch. It's just a great time to be a sports fan. Well, a lot has changed in society and how we consume media too. So with the ability to be able to watch a show,

your favorite show at any time of day instead of your favorite show is up against a middle of the season, baseball game or whatever, you have to make a choice. Well, now you don't have to make a choice. You can watch your favorite show at lunchtime because everything is streaming and everything is on demand.

So it changes when we can watch shows however big they are. You can even wait for a show finale and watch it the next day. You don't have to watch it live. So everything has changed in that regard. Gambling also has had a huge influence on sports. Oh, it's jet-fueled a TV rating. So that's added extra viewers. But I think it's mostly that the live element of sports,

it's the last thing you have to be in front of a screen to watch at that particular moment. So a couple times a week, I will Google sports on TV today just to get my times down. It is a minute. I did this the other day. It was like last Saturday. I mean, I had everything. I could have watched everything. F-1 racing.

I could watch baseball. I mean, the other night I'm working out. I'm watching Yankees Angels for an hour. And then I'm watching Dodgers pirates. I think the pirates swept them in that series. I'm watching. And then they did, right? That's a, that's, pirates are a little better than people think.

And the Dodgers were red hot. And then I feel like watching a lot. the winning time, I can watch a story about what you have at your fingertips now as a sports fan. When I was a kid, a young, even teenager college, you wanted to watch stuff and it wasn't available. Everything's available now. You also have a huge convergence of the entertainment industry and sports as well and access to athletes. So you might not have even known about a particular athlete 20, 30 years ago, because you never saw them on TV and they weren't on your local team.

Now you have access to everything. You can watch all the games anywhere in the world. So just the access level has changed things. It's just changed interests. Like there's more to pay attention to. He played for the Warriors for five years and was part of two championship clubs. His name is Quinn Cook. He is joining us now live.

First of all, Quinn's great that you're on. Thank you. You're a busy guy. And I appreciate this. I want to ask you about Steve Kerr. So our view of Steve Kerr is Mark Jackson was more of a defensive coach than Steve Kerr was more of an offensive coach. He certainly wasn't a great defensive player.

But I've said this from time to time because the Warriors have so many shot makers and there's so many threes and their offense is so much fun to watch that we don't talk about their defense a lot. And I see Wiggins and then Iggy and then Peyton and then Clay. When you were there, did you spend a lot of practice time on defense? Because the view is from the outside, it's all about scoring. What was it like there for the years you were there? I mean, I definitely could say that we spend more time on defense. Obviously, you know, Steve wanted to put, you know, Kevin and Steph and Clay, you know, in their spots. They could be more most effective offensively, but, you know, we locked in on defense.

You know, we had vets like Zazaa D. West, Doc, Sean Livingston, who, you know, was very, very big. You know, emphasizing defense, I can remember any time we had, you know, to prepare for a playoff opponent each round. I mean, we would spend an hour and a half, two hours, and most of the time it was on how to guard. So, you know, I think obviously with the Splash Brothers and, you know, with Draymond being a point forward, it kind of overshadows, you know, I think the defense and the state were that, you know,

Steve has brought to go to state for sure. You know, teams tend to have the personalities of their star player. And, you know, Tim Duncan was a hard worker, very quiet, understated. And the Spurs didn't make sense. a lot of noise. They just won games. Michael was feisty and combative and everybody was her rival and so were the Bulls. You know, Steph, my view of Steph is that he's smart, he's selfless, and he's got a little shimmy to him. He's got a little, you know, a little game to him.

A little cocky, a little smug. When you were with him, give me the, you know, what did you take from Steph? What did you like about him? What surprised you about him? Yeah, I mean, obviously growing up, you know, a big, big Steph fan when I seen him at Davidson. I think his shooting overshadows a lot what he does, but he's as good as a finisher as anybody. He's as good as a ball handler. We've seen, you know, his in-between game, his mid-range game is, you know, one of the best to ever play. But the one thing that I really took from him was how competitive he was, how, you know, he has a lot of, you know, competitive nature to him. He doesn't want to win a shooting competition. He doesn't want to win. He doesn't want to

He doesn't want to lose a shoot competition. He doesn't want to lose around the golf. He's very, very, very competitive. He understands what he brings to the table. And he does a lot more than just shooting threes. And obviously, he's the best ever doing that. So I just love how he worked. I got to work with him every day for two straight years. And it was a blessing for me. Are you surprised at all? Everybody they bring in buys into the culture. Andrew Wiggins, I mean, he's like a three, some nights of four. I think he's been so valuable on both ends. Are you surprised at all that a former number one pick that made a lot of money was a number one

has moved to the Warriors and totally accepts his roles? That surprised you? Not really surprising. For me, I think he's their X-factor. Just what he brings defensively and offensively, I think, you know, if he's scoring 18, 19, you know, plus a night. I don't see anybody beating him. And he takes a lot of pressure off Steph, Clay, and also Jordan.

But, you know, I mean, the talent was there, man. I mean, you know, I played him in college. He was number one pick for a reason. And obviously the situations, you know, in Minnesota, you know, wasn't ideal. But, you know, he stayed the course and he turned himself, you know, into an NBA All-Star starter. And now he's playing an intricate party on the championship ball club.

I don't think anybody's surprised, but, you know, in basketball, the NBA is all about situations, and he's in a great situation right now. You know, KD. and Dremont, there's a view by many that, oh, it was a very prickly relationship. And then I see him the other day talking. I talked to Dremont the other day, and he's like, he's an insane talent. I love him. And I think KD has a lot of respect. But listen, when you're on a championship team, Katie's one of the great players. You know, listen, there's a lot of money.

there's a lot of pressure. Like I get guys, you know, wanting to protect what's theirs. When you were there with KD and when you were there with Dremont together, because you were there like 2018, 2019, did you ever feel it was tense or more tense than any other situation with stars? I'm never tense. You know, I just always felt that they held each other accountable. There were countless of times where KD will call Draymond out

or KD will call Steph out, you know, Steph would call Dremont out. And it went, you know, from 1 to 15. But our stars held each other accountable. The only really tense situation, there was a couple times where, you know, guys would be in the heat of the moment. But, you know, it was only one, obviously, situation that went viral that everybody saw in L.A. against the Clippers. But other than that, guys have to have a respect for each other. I mean, these guys have been, you know, stars their entire life that they spent time with each other, whether it was Nike, USA basketball, you know, all-star weekends, competing in the playoffs. So, you know, they're all tight.

And sometimes your emotion get the best of us. And that night, you know, it was a big night. But other than that, I mean, you know, we were injured away from winning the championship again that year. So, I mean, I wouldn't say a lot of tense situations, but, you know, that one night definitely played a factor in the rest of that season, for sure. Listen, Boston has absolutely earned their way here. I said this that until you win a championship, you can get a lot of. little tight. I thought they played a little tight in game seven against Milwaukee, a little tight in game seven against Miami. I thought they were the better team than Miami, and I didn't

think it was terribly close. And yet, if Jimmy Butler hits a jumper, we could have a different outcome. And so I do feel like, I even heard Jason Tatum saying yesterday, like, you know, there was a time I wasn't sure I was the guy to lead this team. And I thought, is there a little self-doubt? What will Boston have to do? Like, if you're watching this series, you're watching game one tonight, Quinn and game two on whatever it is Sunday. Is there something you're going to look for that you're going to see early in the series and say, ooh, this is going to be trouble for the Warriors? What does Boston need to do?

What are you looking for Boston to do to win the series? Yeah, they're tested. They're battle tested. I mean, look, you know, they could have sat out, you know, their starters, the last regular season game. You know, they could have sat out against Memphis when Memphis bench their starters to get the, you know, two seed. And Boston played their guys to set the tone like, yeah, we want to play against Brooklyn.

And that's in the message to me. I know it's in the message to, you know, a lot of people in the league. And, you know, obviously they end up sweeping, you know, the Nets with obviously Kevin and Kai Rhee. And then you play the defending champions, obviously without Middleton. But still, you know, you're playing against Janice and that team who's proven. You know, you beat them in seven. And then you play the number one team in the league. You go to Miami.

and, you know, you went three games on a row. And obviously, you know, they could have won game three or they could have won game six. But, you know, to go on the road and to beat Miami, you know, was big time. So I think those guys believe that they should be there. I think they're battle tested. And, you know, they create an interesting dynamic. I mean, they could switch, you know, one through five. You know, their top seven, you know, can guard multiple positions.

And they have two guys who can get a basket. And, you know, I don't think there's been a better play. in the playoffs, then Jason Taylor, in my opinion. So I think those guys will play free. I want to see how free they play tonight. And if they still won either tonight or Sunday, things will be very, very interesting. Finally, Coach Kay was your coach in college.

He decided to retire mid-70s, greatest college basketball coach of all time. 100 more wins or more. I forget he's got several hundred probably more than John Wooden. And it's a much more competitive sport now that it was back in those days for Coach Wooden. So I think he is the best basketball coach collegiately of all time. And with his success in the Olympics, you can put him on a very short list of the best

basketball mind of all time. When you first got to Duke, if I said to you, what did he teach you about basketball? Give me a gym, something that you look at and you think he was just different. He changed you. He changed the way you saw the game on Coach K. Yeah, I mean, he was everything for me. He's the reason why I came here. my godbrother, Nola Smith, was here before me, but obviously, you know, I was top 10 of my

class, rightfully, so, you know, I can kind of go anywhere. And, you know, when Coach K. Recruiting me, you know, I was just the one guy I wanted to play for it. And he promised me that, you know, he'll coach me his hardest for four straight years. And, you know, I can honestly say every single day he brought it. You know, his basketball mind is out of this world. You know, his ATO game, his Xs and O's is motivating. But, you know, I can't honestly, but, you know, The way he connects to people. And for me, he taught me more about, you know, being a man. Obviously, I lost my father at a young age.

So, you know, we had a different relationship. So, you know, Christmas, you know, he'll make sure he'll give me, you know, a call and my mother a call. And, you know, different anniversaries, different dates. My dad's birthday, just little things. He still does it to this day. He hasn't missed, you know, my dad's birthday since I committed to him in 2010, which is, you know, something that, you know, coaches don't do. One thing he would just preach to us was next play, you know, and not just in basketball and in life.

You know, if you make a three-pointer, you can't celebrate. You got to get back on defense. If you turn a ball over, you can't feel sorry for yourself. You got to get back. And in life, if you get that job, you want, if you make that team, the work doesn't stop. You know, if you fail that test, if you don't get the job you want, if you don't get to the school you want, you got to keep going. So a lot of his stuff was life lessons that all his players use today. And the brotherhood is real.

And definitely the best decision on my life. I don't decide to go to Duke and play for Coach K. Yeah. Quinn Cook is at his academy right now. Coach K's academy. And, you know, it's funny, Quinn, you say that if you read the book on Coach K, which I just got done reading about six months ago, Ian O'Connor wrote it, people forget this.

He almost got run out of Duke. Coach K almost did when he first got. I mean, so he has really lived a life of which people doubted him for a long time. And I think he sells that to his players. doesn't have to sell it. That's his real life. Quinn, it's a pleasure to have you on. We've wanted to have you on for some time. Well, when you're in L.A., get out here, sit on the couch, and we'd love to have you. We'll do. Appreciate it. Thank you so much.

You bet. Quinn Cook, two-time NBA champ. Yeah, it really, you know, we've talked about this a lot, is that I have this discussion with my kids all the time. I say, look at the most successful people. In sports. Michael Jordan, Tom Brady, LeBron James, Life is a kid. kid. If you, and I'm talking the legends. All of them doubted obstacles. People quit on them. Coach K, they wanted him out.

I mean, he literally had a losing record at Army when he took the job. Like when he got hired, people were like, he's got a losing record. Four years in, they wanted him out. Thank God the athletic director is like, I see something in him. Brady, six round. LeBron, look at LeBron, moving around as a kid. And I tell my kids this all the time. The great, I mean, that Michael Jordan documentary was insane.

He was battling his own team, owner, GM, Rodman. So it's, you know, I love those stories. Someone fired Bill Belichick. I mean, it's just. Well, I mean, Bill Belichick wasn't what he is now. But yes, I mean, success is just people that didn't quit. That's a good line right there. Ryan, every time you get mad at me demanding hockey,

he scores. You're almost out the door. What's that line again? Success? It's just people that didn't quit. Boy, I love that. That's a hallmark card waiting to happen. That's really good. I don't think I can I can take credit for that one. I'm sure I read that somewhere. One more herd. The herd streams 24 hours a day seven days a week within the IHeart radio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential.

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faced the league leading Birmingham Stallions at 3 Eastern. Then Sunday, the Panthers Battle the Stars at noon Eastern. Don't miss USFL football this weekend on Fox. You know, we, Draymond Green came out and said basically, you know, nobody's ever beaten us whole ever, which he's right. They fell apart a couple of times. But it's interesting. In 2016, he got suspended, which is his fault.

Curry banged up. Boat at the starting center, left, the rotation got screwed up. Be that as it may, they had a big series lead. 2019 against the Raptors, everybody got hurt. But we do tend to, this is the way basketball is, and sports probably. We tend to romanticize, idolize, and defend certain people. And it's usually people who have struggled. I mean, Showtime Lakers are like beloved.

They lost four times in the finals, but we loved them. And they had to battle the Celtics back and forth, back and forth. So we like the struggle. Jerry West is the logo. His nickname was Mr. Clutch. He was one in eight in the finals. But we liked Jerry West. He's the logo.

He went to G. We saw him struggle. We know his story of his family. West Virginia. It was hard. We like that. K.D. Poisoned the well.

We would have liked the Warriors way more if KD didn't ever go there. And the players drafted in the second round. They weren't top draft picks. Steph was hurt early. Once KD. went there at Poison the Well, it looked too easy. It was almost if Elon Musk won Powerball, you'd be like, oh, that's gross. Could somebody else win Powerball? And what's funny is Michael Jordan, we saw him struggle against the Pistons.

We saw him struggle against the Celtics. We saw him struggle against his own team. You never won a playoff series without Pippin. But we liked the struggle with MJ. And once Katie got to the Warriors, it was just too damn easy. And it's funny because Michael Jordan, they added Ron Harper to his team. Ron Harper, Ivers, 20 a game. He was the best player on the Clippers.

They added a 20 point a game guy. They added the best rebounder in Rodman. They added the best European and Tony Koo Coach. He was the best European player. They don't have a problem with that. If you add all their production, it's greater than KD's. But KD was so gifted and so great and it looked so easy and it was, it didn't seem fair. And we like, this is what we do with our sports heroes.

We defend certain ones. We idolize certain ones. We romanticize certain ones. And the common threat in basketball is always, did you struggle? Did we see you struggle? And I think once Katie got to the Warriors, they just became, I can remember I was, I don't even know when it was. It was a year after they'd won the championship. And they were being called the greatest team of all time.

And there was a group of high school kids, really, really young high school kids, like 17 years old. and I was somewhere out of Hermosa Beach, and they knew I was a sports guy, and they came, we started talking. They were like, oh, I hate the Warriors. And I was like, the best team in the sport, they're fun. They're like, oh, once KD got there, give me a break. It was too easy.

It was too, it would just look too good. It was too much fun. And so I've said this before. As great as LeBron is, he'll never be as popular as MJ. It was a different era, different time. And as great as the warriors are, they'll, never be defended and romanticized like the Bulls or the Showtime Likers because we felt we watched them get beat up a little bit, struggle a little bit, climb a little bit.

And it was like, ooh, the Warriors, we forget. They won a championship before KD. Michael didn't win a playoff series before Pippin. This team won a championship before KD got there. But once he got there, it's like, ah, these guys took the easy route. It's actually before him and after them has been just the opposite. They've dealt with injuries. They've had real struggles.

I mean, how many of you thought they were going to win the title this year? I thought it was Phoenix in Milwaukee. Joy Taylor, with the news. No, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news. I might be an elitist. What's that? I might be an elitist.

Who's it me? No, me. Why? Well, I don't know, it's not so much that I'm an elitist. It's just more that I have like a brain and I can read and remember things as opposed to just seeing memes and then applying that to my personnel. But the Warriors won before KD got there. They were a championship team through draft and development before KD ever set foot in the building. And they're favored to win after he left.

Right. But we don't like him because it was too easy. They had a coach that they fired and Mark Jackson had to adjust to a new coach and Steve Kerr and build through that system. It's the same things people always say about the Miami Heat. They do realize the Heat had a championship before LeBron went there. In fact, that was one of the main reasons he went there. Right. Because they already were a championship organization with Dwayne Wade and Alonzo Morning.

It's all free on Google guys. It is available information. Well, it's as if Michael came into the league and never had any help. He was on his third coach, didn't win without Pippin, got Ron Harper, got Rodman, got Coot coach. Now, Kerr had done very little in Orlando, so Kerr got better with Michael. but it's not like they weren't. Jerry Krause was tweaking that puppy constantly. Yeah, people just,

people really look at the results and the headlines. And I mean, we know that. It's, that's easier to do. Yeah. I get it. But I do think it's weird how narratives, narratives with fans are one thing.

Narratives with the media is what makes me wonder. Like, what do you talk? What are you talking about? What are you talking about? I see this all the time. All the time with media. I'm like, no, that's not. That's not just, it's just factually inaccurate.

what you're saying. Like LeBron even going as mad as people were with him going to Miami. He spent seven years in Cleveland. And they couldn't get him another forget great player and All-Star. Right. Like he didn't earn the chance as the best player in the league to choose to go somewhere else. He was able to make that choice. He's not like he just came in the league first year.

Like, I don't think I like it here. I'd like to go to Miami. This is not what happens. He wanted to go back. He left Miami for Cleveland. How many Americans do that? I can choose Miami or Ohio. I'm going to go to Cleveland.

He went back. He liked it so much. Well, I think he just, I think he wanted to prove it. Jason Tatum and the rest of the Celtics roster will get their first taste of the NBA finals when game one tips off tonight. But it wasn't always positive for Tatum and Boston this year. They did struggle a bit at the beginning. They had a rough start fighting to maintain a 500 record, leaving them as low as 11th in the east. And through all of that, Tatum was his.

own toughest critic. You know, I'll be honest for myself, it would have been times where I question, like, am, you know, am I the right person, you know, to kind of lead a group like this? And, you know, I never, like, doubted myself, but, you know, just moments after those, some of those losses and, you know, the tougher parts of the season, you know, it's human nature to kind of question, you know, yourself and things like that. But, you know, just always stick to what you believe in and trust in the work that you put in, you know, can't rain forever. I like the transparency from Jason Tatum here, but I don't think this is a huge learn about Jason Tatum.

He doesn't give me that MJ Kobe, you know, that killer vibe. No. Is he a star? Is he unbelievably talented? Is he one of the most complete, reliable players in the NBA? Absolutely. Love him. But I don't know that I look to him and think that he's like a verbal alpha leader.

But I don't also necessarily think everyone who is a one has to be. Yeah, they don't. He can just be the star and you can balance it with somebody else who is. My question with Boston is, who is? And I think the answer is Eme. I think he has shown that he coming in in his first year, taking this team that we thought was ready to make a run for several years now to the final. through the number one team in the east in Miami,

through the former champs in the Bucks, and through a team that everyone thought was going to beat them, not me, in the nets. I think it's Eme, actually, who is the person who is, and that's not always the case in professional sports that the coach really comes in and has that kind of influence. No, I think I never thought about it in those terms, but I think there's an argument to be made

and he has been the difference, not the personnel, it's mostly the same personnel. It's the same guy. Williams, Brown, Smart, Tatum, and Horford. has been there. Yeah. Yeah. So I think, I think E. Meadeo has really been the factor for change there with the Celtics. And, you know, I don't know how confidence, everyone's going to speak confidence to yourself going into these finals. Yeah. But they are up against the dynasty in Golden State, whether you

like Golden State or not, here they are in the finals again. And they're, to Draymond's point, they're whole now. So this is, I think this is going to be a great final. I can't wait for it. Tonight. So, and what was a kind of surprising blockbuster deal? Tyreek Hill was, trade to the dolphins earlier this off season. And since the trade, everyone's been wondering how Tyreek went from long-term negotiations to a very big move in going to Miami. So Tyreek had a new podcast to drop and he had a trailer with his agent Drew Rosenhouse where they discussed Tyreek's previous intention to stay with the Chiefs. And once the season was over, we reached out to the

chiefs and we said, hey, you know, we want to keep it going. Tyreek wanted to be there. You know, Tyreek wanted to be in Kansas City. That's, that's, you say that again. Tyreek wanted to be in Kansas City. Wanted, wanted to be in Casey, man. We tried to do an extension with that. Try it, man. By the way, the R salary caps.

In baseball, you could sign him, but it's like, this is the reality. When he got traded to Miami and they got five picks, that was, I can remember that day. It's like, that's a misprint. Nobody gets five picks for a receiver. So it's like this is one of those where even though it hurts, I totally get Kansas City saying, we're going to pay Mahomes this, we're paying Kelsey this, we're paying an offensive lineman big money, we've got Chris Jones, like we just can't pay.

I get it. You can't pay everyone. And this is what dynasties do, why they go through weights. That's right. Because if you have your core pieces in place that you do pay, your legacy guys that you feel are going to be there, Obviously, most people felt like Tyreek was going to be a part of that. But this position has become so transient. So I think about this.

If you told me who the core is for them. Yeah. And again, I want to spread out. I would say Mahomes. I would say Travis Kelsey and I would say Chris Jones. Right. Right. Because we've seen their ability to, Mahomes will elevate receivers.

So will Andy Reid. So it's not that Tyreek's not the fastest guy in the world. But if you told me, Brett Veets, the GM is sitting in the office and he gets his yellow pat out and he goes, here's what I need for us to win Super Bowls. Andy Reed, Mahomes, Travis Kelsey, and a dominating defensive lineman. I get the reasoning we can get five picks for receivers. Andy elevates him. Mahomes elevates them. Like I totally get, if you offer me five picks for Cooper Cup, I'd have to consider it. It's a lot of picks. Like, now I don't know how many teams outside of Miami would do that. They are sort of in that situation where they needed to,

they needed to take some big swings. So how many, how many, how, how, those five picks are going to end up looking two or three years from now. We'll see. I feel like it's worth it if you're Miami and I feel like it's worth it if you're Kansas City. It still feels like a lot. But at the end of the day, you can't pay everybody. And even if Tyreek wanted to be there, which I'm sure he did, I'm sure Tyreek also had a price. I mean, look at this.

People say this all. There's a saying, I don't know the exact saying, but in real estate, there's a term that realtors would know this, that everybody's got a price to sell their home. and like if somebody just walked up and said here's the number and it's like way more than your home is worth you turn to your wife or husband and go we can move down the street they're overpaying for it if somebody's going to give you five picks for a player i mean you tell outside to take quarterbacks out of it all quarterbacks out of it name a player that if erin donald's great but he's 31 if you gave me a first two seconds a third and a fifth or erin donald i'd have to consider i think it depends on where the player is in their career. That's big two. They're very obviously in their prime and they're a cornerstone piece. I think as valuable as receivers are because of the receiver talent that we're getting from college, the production that you're getting from young receivers immediately in the NFL. In the NFL, you have to take five picks. You have to. And by the way, if I recall,

three of them were good picks. It doesn't, it doesn't make Kansas City, it hurts how dynamic they are. There's no question about that. They're not as fast. They're not as fast. They're not as explosive. And Tyreek is, he's a very dynamic, you know, player. They can utilize him in many different ways. So earlier this week, speaking of Aaron Donald's, he said he would be at peace if he decided to retire.

He's thinking about his future with the Rams. Sean McVeigh waited on the situation. Said things are trending in the right direction. And the Rams are approaching mandatory mini camps next week. And with L.A. looking to become the first. Super Bowl champs to repeat since the 2003-2004 Patriots, it might be too good of an opportunity for Donald to pass up, saying winning a Super Bowl, you get kind of addicted to it.

I want to feel that again. That experience is like no other. It ain't about the money, but it's a business at the end of the day. For me, it's about winning. I don't want to play football if I can't win it anyway, so I feel like I got a real opportunity to win another Super Bowl. Then it makes sense to play. By the way, you play indoors.

They treat you like gold. You make a lot of money. I think there are times when pro athletes retire, and I'm like, oh, I totally get it. retiring from, you know, the lions or a bat, you know, this is, let's to be honest, it'd be hard to retire from this franchise. Well, if you have more to give, yeah, where are you going to play somewhere else? Well, that's not.

Is this the most pro player franchise in the league? I don't ever begrudge anyone for trying to make more money. Yeah. Even in a salary cap league. Get all the money that you can. The Rams, I think we'll probably figure this out. But if you want to continue to play football, this is the place you want to do it. I know everything thinks everyone hates California.

They don't. There's millions and millions of people that live here. But also this organization is incredibly well run. They're coming off of a Super Bowl. They have their legacy coach. They treat people well. They have a great culture, a brand new building and facilities. Like, where are you going to go if it's just about money?

I get it as a business. But at some point, the money is not going to outweigh. He's had his career without winning a Super Bowl. So he knows what that's like. Why do you want to go back to that? I think, you know, it's a lot of, it's interesting because I've talked to some pro athletes who could have kept playing and they didn't. And one of the things, take football out of it, hockey, baseball, basketball. They just get sick of the flights, the travel away from their kids.

That's a big part. In football, you got eight road games. So that's never a football player. I'm tired of traveling once every three weeks. So it usually comes down to, I don't like the off seasons and the grind. Or your body is just, can't take any more beating. So that's not. And McVey is also, starters don't sniff the exhibition.

And, and like Whitworth, he didn't even hit once the season started. Like, he wouldn't wear pads. So for me, this would be Aaron Donald could retire today, but this would be a hard retire. You'd look up week nine and go, oh, they're eight and one. I don't know. I'd like to be out there. Well, also, as incredible as Aaron Donald's career has been, he's a Hall of Famer, it would feel like there's a little bit more.

Oh, God, a lot more. A lot more. It would feel premature. He's still easily the best player at his position in the least. Yeah. Easily. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

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I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you for finishing that sentence. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah.

For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Charles Barkley says the Lakers' new basketball coach, Darvin Ham, probably not going to work. Here is Sir Charles. Darbin got an opportunity because he's paid his dues. He's a nice guy. We'll have to see what kind of coach he is. But listen, if one of your coaches is close to the same age as your players,

your team not going to be any good anyway. I mean, the Lakers, they got a serious dilemma on their hands. I mean, their best player is going to be 40. You know, Anthony Davis has never been healthy. You know, obviously, Russell's going to be there one more year. So what's really bad about the situation, next year is going to be the same as this year. And then LeBron is just going to be a year older. And then they'll have Ross off the books.

Well, everybody is happy for Darvinham. Everybody was happy for David Cully in Houston. He'd worked in the NFL forever. He'd finally got a job. He'd put it into the process. And then the team stunk and nobody liked him. He got fired. Darvinham's not going to get fired.

But here is the difference. Just don't compare him to Ime, Udoka, of the Celtics. Don't. Brad Stevens admits the team was starting to tune him out. But he got to three Eastern Conference Finals. Okay, there was some momentum. But more importantly, EMAe inherited four players moving into their prime, a very reliable grown-up adult Al Horford.

There were no terrible contracts, very little toxicity. And again, athletes that needed to be tweaked, taught, but they were all moving into their prime. That's momentum. Darwin Ham is inheriting a nine-car pile-up on the freeway. Nobody's in their prime. That's the big problem here. It's very rare that teams win and compete for championships when nobody is in their prime.

You've got to have some. Cooper Cups in his prime. Jalen Ramsey Rams in his prime. Matt Stafford's probably out of it, but still great. Same with Donald. You got to have some. Lakers have no players in their prime. I like Malik Monk, they can't afford it.

That's the guy I'd really want to keep outside of LeBron. They can't afford him. So these are two different situations. Matt LaFleur getting the Packers job, they were winning, they were winning their division, they had Aaron Rogers, they had Devonthe Adams. It's like, that's a different job than Doug Peterson who needs a mop in Jacksonville to clean up a lot of the mess. And so, you know, Darvin Ham could succeed. I don't know enough about him.

I mean, I watched him play for the Pistons years ago, nice guy, process guy. But, you know, EMA Adoka has done a great job, but this is what we do in sports. If Jimmy Butler hits a three-point shot, what are we saying today? He's just like Brad Stevens. He gets his in the Eastern Conference finals. We're supposed to win we can't. I mean, that's sports. One shot can change everything.

Now, I do think he has lit a fire under this team defensively, and he's really a great coach. EMA is just a great fit for this team. But aren't we saying about them? How the hell that game, that series with Miami goes seven? Well, that's what we said about Brad Stevens a lot. Why aren't they better with Kyrie? Well, Kyrie Flat Earth is not easy. Brooklyn now's a mess with Kyrie and KD.

So, you know, we, not all these, you can literally have a different job in the same industry. And I think the Celtics job, you're getting athletes in their prime, still coachable, you know, had made good money. None of them, you know, probably worth more than, you know, they're worth good money. They're not moguls. Right now with the Lakers, I mean, Westbrook and LeBron, forget it. I mean, Russell Westbrook pushed back when it was suggested by Frank Vogel that somebody, beyond him could bring the ball up.

LeBron's brought the ball up his whole life, and he's a better player. So these are two different jobs. And if you put Darwin Ham with the Celtics, I would bet he'd have more success than EMA would have with the Lakers. That's the difference. Darwin could be great, but it's going to be,

you're going to have to be really patient, you're going to have to watch closely. Until they can get out of this Westbrook contract, and that may be a while, you can't judge him. You just cannot judge him. Brad Stevens, They got tired of me. But he handed them some pretty good produce to the chef.

They're pretty good players, pretty good momentum, no bad contracts. I mean, again, Aange and Stevens didn't get as far as they wanted, but they weren't failures. They gave me like Mike McCarthy, say what you want, won a Super Bowl. Green Bay handed Matt LaFleur a lot of workable pieces. A lot of good players on that team. Drafting, developing, won their division. There we go. Rising oil prices, supply chain issues.

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They're opposite dudes. They're very different, yes. And by way, both successful. But it is interesting to sit down and watch them. They are completely different personalities. By the way, Kyler's different than Justin Herbert and Mahalms is different than Josh Allen. But when you watch that, just their appearance, the way they play golf, the way they talk, it's really interesting. And there's a lot more ways to do this than one way.

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