The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 2 - Wentz, Seattle

Episode Date: March 9, 2022

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You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Oh, here we go. Live in Los Angeles, hour two. It's the herd. Wherever you may be, however you may be listening. Man, oh, man, oh man. Can you imagine being in Denver yesterday? So sad.

Oh, no, we're not. We're very, very happy. I would rather take Russell than Aaron for a lot of reasons. Number one, not as much drama. Number two, he's got much more. He hadn't had the big surgeries like Aaron. Aaron's had two collarbone. injuries. Aaron's also, let's be

honest, doesn't have the track record in the playoffs over the last six, seven years. Like he has lost at home as a favorite multiple times against wild card teams. Russell, when he's favorite at home in the playoffs, wins the game. Yeah, I don't get all the

skepticism about how Russell Wilson's going to work. It's something we always talk about. It's recency bias. It's amazing what happens is Russell Wilson, by the way, his numbers didn't go down, but Seattle goes down and I say, he's no good. We do this all the time.

Is like a player gets heard or a play. We want to bury. I mean, Farrve goes to the Jets and everybody buries him, right? And then he ends up with Minnesota. And for two years, you're like, now he's got weapons. He's unbelievable. But I also think that we get caught up

in the talent of things. Like, I love Justin Herbert. I think he's wildly talented. Did he not come into the NFL in the same draft as Joe Burrow? Yeah. Joe Burrow just played in a Super Bowl. Justin Herbert hasn't made the playoffs yet. And Cincinnati is way more dysfunctional traditionally than the charts. And it had a way worse so line.

And you don't want to hear about the division either. The Steelers and Ravens and now that Brown's roster. Do you win Super Bowls? Do you win games? Russell Wilson is a play call from two Super Bowls. Yeah. Like I'm taking Russell Wilson over Justin Herbert right now. Yes.

That's not an outrageous statement. No, I am. That's not saying that Justin Herbert is a bad player. It's not saying he's not going to maybe win multiple Super Bowls. Who knows? All I know is he hasn't made the playoffs yet. Joe Burrell just played in a Super Bowl, and Russell Wilson is an MVP-level player who has won a Super Bowl. And it's still in his prime.

A play call to Marshawn Lynch. Am I missing something? No, I'm the same way. It's all recency bias. It was so, so funny. I was thinking about this. So I do a Super Bowl bubble every year. And it's always got about seven teams in it, seven eight teams in the Super Bowl.

Teams, I think, that should be favored to win it. Either they've got a stack roster, easier obstacles. So, you know, people are saying, oh, how long will it take? It didn't take Brady and Stafford long once they got a bunch of weapons to be good. Brady in a pandemic with no preseason, won 12 of his last 15 games, year one in Tampa, and won the Super Bowl. Took him about five weeks to get it right. Stafford in L.A. was great.

Week one, mini slump in December, got hot in December, rolled the table, and won the Super Bowl. One nine of their last 10, only lost in overtime. Good quarterbacks with weapons, smart offensive coaches. Doesn't take long. Jerry, Judy, and Denver last year had 38 catches with Drew Locke and Teddy Bridgewater. Double it to 75. Tim Patrick, 53 catches. Add 20.

Cortland Sutton, 58 catches. I'd say add 30. They also have a better running back, Giovante Williams, than anything Seattle has. Javante Williams, a rookie, got one start last year, had 175 total yards of offense. they have a tight end who backed up Noah Fant, three-year starter in the SEC. Greg Olson told me yesterday that when he did the Broncos Cowboys game

and they sat down for the pre-Prod meetings, it was very clear that they felt they had lots of tight-end talent beyond Noah Fant. Like, it ain't going to take long, folks. My Super Bowl bubbled this morning, and there's a lot of teams on the periphery, but if you ask me my Super Bowl bubble this morning, I would put Buffalo,

and Kansas City and Denver in it. Mahomes, Josh Allen, and Russell with a lot of weapons. I put Green Bay and the Rams in for different reasons. The Rams are stacked, and Green Bay is going to get a home field buy. They're going to have to win one game to get the NFC championship. I'd put Baltimore, New England, San Francisco, Sincere, the Cowboys in Tennessee on the periphery. Let me watch their free agency.

Let me watch their draft. You know, I know Cincinnati, you're all on fire now, but the team that loses the Super Bowl does not get back to the Super Bowl. That's the way it works in the NFL. And that's not a shot at them, but they were outgained in these playoff games, right? So they got to solve some things in free agency and the draft. But I put Denver in that group. So you don't even have the Chargers there.

They didn't make the playoffs. They make the playoffs. Can't be a Super Bowl bubble team from no playoffs. Super Bowl bubble. I think they're talented. No, I agree. Like Nick said it earlier, and I saw people arguing about it yesterday. I'm like, I don't understand.

No one's saying Justin Herbert isn't wildly talented, but we have a comp. Showboro. I like in, he just played in the Super Bowl. I just bought Amazon stock yesterday. I like investing in stuff I've seen grow. You go off on your tech. I got a buddy who's in finance, and he does, he, he, he's invested in probably 10 tech companies. And you know what he tells me he has from it?

A lot of T-shirts and cups from those companies. 90% of angel investors, those companies don't hit. And that's from the smartest business people in America. They're called angel investors. 90% of those never hit. Very few Ubers out there. Right. So it's like all this Charger talk.

I got over 10 wins once in 12 years. You've got to start winning games in the playoffs. Yeah. I mean, again, I'm not dissing Justin Herber. I love the Chargers. Yeah. Yes. I love the Chargers.

But you got to show me stuff. I got to see, I'm going to invest in stuff I've seen before. Yeah, I don't know if I'd put the Cowboys up there. That's fair. Division's so crappy. It's like, I don't love Green Bay. They're going to win the division. They have the best quarterback in the division.

Yeah, and Green Bayne's going to win the division. I mean, unless Justin Fields, and it's possible, like pops. Like if Justin Fields, we're not going to take Kirk Cousin's and Jared Gough, let's move. If Justin Fields pops and you're like, oh, let's say, for instance, in free agency, they get a good old line, they pop in the draft with the receiver. Then you're like, okay, they can, this is a pretty interesting team. But I'm going to invest in stuff I've seen work before. Mark Slareth, he worked before, three rings, two-time pro bowler, big radio star in Denver.

So what a crazy day yesterday. Some people are saying, Colin, you're overstating Denver's talent. And to that I say, I don't know. I'm looking at those quarterbacks and that production, and I'm like, And that coach, who was a defensive coach, I think, I really do. You watch every snap of them. I like their offensive personnel. Your thoughts?

Yeah, I think their offensive personnel, one, is good. It hasn't really mature to the point where you would hope it would mature to. But a lot of that is coaching. A lot of that is play calling. A lot of that is, you know, lack of a quarterback, all those things. I think Cortland Sutton was on his way to start him before he tore his ACL two years ago. Last year had a little bit of an off year as he was rehabbing coming back from that. He wasn't 100%.

But I think he's about to explode. Tim Patrick has been an incredible story just from a perseverance standpoint, work ethic standpoint. I think Jerry Judy needs to grow up. He needs to quit dropping balls. But from a talent standpoint, there's no question that he's super talented. I've said this forever. I've never been a Noah fan.

I think Albert Okuibonam is a better play. and I think he has the potential to be really good, control the middle of the football field. So, yeah, I think they have some weapons. I think they're underutilized and they have to mature as football players. But I think you're going to get that with a veteran quarterback who's going to demand, he's going to demand, you know, hard work and he's going to demand excellence from those guys. So I think it's a great fit in Denver for Russell Wilson. It just could be more excited about it.

By the way, if you've not seen Giovante Williams, they got him in the second round at the top from Carolina. He is fantastic. He is a, he is an, he's a kid that could rush for 1,500 yards this year and you'd go, whoa, he is an unbelievable, that's better than anything Seattle's got. So Russell now has a star running back, who by the way, doesn't cost anything yet. So when Russell's big salary comes in, you're not paying Judy yet. You're not paying the tight end yet. You're not paying Javonte Williams yet. The question is, um, Russell's style, Nathaniel's Hackett. Talk to me about that. You're talking a veteran guy. What do we know about Nathaniel Hackett, his style of offense, the Aaron offense? Does it fit Russ in your opinion? Oh, I think it fits

perfectly. I think what you look at, just go back to last year toward the end of the season and watch the way Russ played in that offense. Remember that on Mike Shanahan staff 2012, 2012, 2013, there were three guys on that staff. Kyle Shanahan was the office coordinator. Sean McVeigh was a tight-ins coach, and I think that Matt LaFleur was a quarterback coach or whatever. So they're running the exact same offense. Last year, Shane Waldron became the offensive coordinator for the Seattle Seahawks. Where was he before that? He was under Sean McVeigh in Los Angeles with the Rams.

So they're running the same office. I mean, identically to what Nathaniel Hackett is going to run. It's just a matter of how much 21 personnel versus 12 personnel versus 11 personnel do you want to be in, but this is the exact same offense. So it's what Russell was in last year. And I did the last game of the season for Russell Wilson for Fox. I did the Arizona, Seattle at Arizona, and talk to him about that offense, the maturation process that he's gone through. And he could have been more happy about the offense, what he was in, the way they grew together. So this is a perfect fit for Russell Wilson. It's what he was running last year. By the way, Aaron Rogers,

he wanted money. Despite his denial, he's probably making about, you know, 50 million a year. He's going to deny it all he wants, but he also denied the VACS thing. So it's like he wanted the money and the ease of conference and division. I get it. But the same problems are still there. No owner, not a good free agency market, and no second option offensively he trusts at wide receiver. I watched the playoff game. He did not trust the second receiver or tied in.

So to me, not that money grabs are bad, but it's like the same issues are there, right? Should I think differently about Green Bay? No, I mean, they're clearly the most talented team in that division. They're going to win 13 plus games again. And then, you know, we'll see what they do when the competition gets stiff in the playoffs. I mean, that's what we're looking at. I think the interesting thing to me here is look at what Russell Wilson, go back and look at the video from the Super Bowl, not last year, but the year before when Tampa Bay won it.

Russell Wilson was there. He was being honored for something. He was there at the Super Bowl. And just watch him watch Tom Brady orchestrate. And I think there's a feel you look at, you know, leaving one team, going to another team, all these quarterbacks that have established themselves as big time players. They want some say in personnel. They want some say in free agency.

They want to have a voice. They want to be heard. they see Tom Brady go to Tampa Bay and say, hey, I'd like Ronk. I'd like Antonio Brown, even though he's a problem for everybody else. I'd like Leonard Fournette. I'd like to do that. And they go, yeah, whatever you need, Tom. And all of a sudden you win a Super Bowl.

Now you go to last year, Matthew Stafford comes to the Rams. And they're going out and they're getting, you know, a Bond Miller to add to the pass rush. They're going out and getting Odell Beckham Jr. And you're winning a Super Bowl. So I think, you know, it's interesting. When you draft a guy, you don't want to give up that kind of, that say. You don't want to grant him the opportunity to have a say in personnel decisions and all that stuff. But when you're bringing a guy in as the savior, you're like, hey, let's open it up.

What do you want to do? Who would you like to see us go after in free agency? And I think that appeals to guys like Russell Wilson. I think that appeals to quarterbacks. And ultimately, I think that's one of the reasons he'll be super successful here in Denver come free agency. What would you do if you ran the Seahawks at quarterback? Forget the draft picks. Forget no I mean, obviously Denver didn't think that highly of him. They let him go. He's a big kid. He drops a lot of footballs.

He's really talented. But Denver wouldn't have let him go. You know, they would have given you another draft pick. What does Seattle do at quarterback? Do you roll the dice on Deshawn despite the legal troubles? Yeah, I think if Deshaun is available, you go after him. I don't know beyond, you know, I mean, to me, draft picks, and I've always felt this way, it's not just because of what the Rams did.

It was an organizational mantra in Washington under Joe Gibbs. I'll trade away unknown commodities for known commodities. Give me a known commodity, somebody that I know can play that understands the NFL game, and especially the quarterback position. So, like, Deshawn would be one of those guys that certainly, if he gets out of his legal troubles, he's still going to have some type of suspension, but he would be a guy that you could build a franchise around if he can overcome all those things.

Beyond that, I mean, you know, going drafting quarterbacks, it's a roll of dice. Like, it's a 25%, maybe 20 to 25% success rate. And in spite of, you know, the success we've had with the Josh Allen's of the world and the Justin Herberts of the world, the Joe Burroughs of the world, you know, you go back the last 10 years. And, you know, for every Cam Newton, there's a Blaine Gabbert, a Jake Locker. I mean, what is that guy doing?

You know, there's four guys that don't pan out that don't work. So it's still a, you know, that's still a roll of dice when it comes to drafting quarterbacks in this league. Yeah, I think I looked it up earlier this year. You average one great quarterback a draft. Maybe it's one and a half. Now, I do think that'll get to about two because of the seven-on-seven camps. I mean, quarterback coaching now at the high school level is way more sophisticated. These kids have way more 10,000 throws, but a time.

time they're in 10th grade. So, but you get about one great quarterback of draft. There's the old Elway Marino draft. You get the rare draft, but that's a couple years ago. We had the Darnold and the Baker and the this and the that and Josh Rosen and none of them were as good as we thought. So Mark Schlarith, good seeing you as always, buddy. Congrats to the Broncos. Bronco Country is good today. Great seeing you. Yes. Yeah, good to see you as well, Colin. And here's to all those primetime games we're going to get here in Denver. Yeah, Bronco broadcaster is going to be working late Sunday and Monday night and Thursday night. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific.

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So, you know, I've complained about this for years, that we live in a country now where people seek affirmation, not information. Nobody, and by the way, congrats on being stubborn. You'll be less successful than people who adapt. Like, I hate to break it to you, but that's the world we live in. It's changing fast. The adapters and evolvers, they get the ring. They get the money.

Congrats on being rigid. But that's the world we live in now. Conservatives want to watch this channel. Liberals want to watch this channel. Nobody wants to move off or be curious. There's plenty of stuff to learn out there. By the way, for everybody that bangs on conservatives, they were sort of right on the whole.

Masks are a tad overrated. And please don't put old people and poor people locked in their homes. Let them go to the beach. They were kind of right on that. Got to own it. There are people all over the internet that are literally saying Russell Wilson is washed.

So you can turn the channel now because I'm going to show you like facts and data that show that's not true. It's called Google. It's a search engine. Give it a run. The last four years with a battle line,

he completes almost 67% of his throws in a great division, a 106-passer rating, 131 touchdowns, 30 picks, 9 Pro Bowls, 10 years. This is behind an organization that hasn't had a good draft in seven years. You can argue Pete Carroll's washed. It's not Russ. So he's now inheriting, instead of an old defensive coach, as the league's rules all benefit offense. Nick Saban admits, I can't stop great offenses.

He's now moving to a young offensive coach. So let's give you some precedent. So we know the last four years, his numbers are great behind a bottom 5-0 line, below-average wide receiver running back talent, and a defensive head coach. Okay. So Stafford to McVeigh in one year, first year, led the NFL in second half-passer rating, fourth quarter numbers, 14 TD zero picks. that's Matt Stafford to a really good young offensive coach.

In the Nathaniel Hackett, he's the new Denver coach from Green Bay in his offensive system with LaFleur. Washed Aaron Rogers won back-to-back MVP's in this system. Tom Brady with Belichick and a defensive coach last year in New England, Tom Brady, mid-40s, had 24 touchdowns last year in New England. the next two years in Tampa as an old man had 40 touchdowns and 44 touchdown passes. Folks, this isn't difficult. Star quarterbacks who go to, from like especially defensive to offensive guys, but star quarterbacks who get better weapons pop.

So Teddy Bridgewater and Drew Locke had 20 touchdowns and nine picks, over two to one touchdown ratio. this year for Russell Wilson with a broken finger in 14 games had 25 touchdowns and 6 picks his career average is 30 touchdowns and 8 picks and that includes the broken finger year and the first two years where he

let's be honest it was a defensive run team Pete wouldn't let him throw I mean Pete's conservative with Russell in his prime forget Russell the first two years he's averaged in 30 and 8 So like if you just, you don't want to go and like look at numbers and history and precedent, just go to your cable channel that you, it'll make you feel good because it'll tell you what you want to hear. But the numbers are out there.

You go from an old defensive coach to a young offensive coach with better weapons. The numbers go up. Oh, the division's hard. What do you think the NFC West was? And Stafford went from Detroit, an awful division, NFC North, to the NFC West, best division. arguably worst division to best division and won a Super Bowl. And about the division. It's about the weapons.

When Brady went to the NFC South, the Saints were a Super Bowl bubble team. And Atlanta had been to a Super Bowl fairly recently. It's not about the obstacles. I said it earlier. Jeff Bezos, when Netflix arrived, wasn't scared to get into streaming. He's like, ooh, the world's changing. Let's go. Great people aren't afraid of obstacles.

If you want easy, there's nothing wrong with it. Some people aren't comfortable with anxiety and pressure, but the greats are not afraid of competition. That's not the way it works. Should Jordan have moved because of the Celtics and the Pistons? Get me out of here. Get me west. No, you want to beat the Celtics and you want to beat the Pistons.

So there's an argument to be made that, you know, coming out of a tougher conference, the prime example is the Southeastern Conference. it's by far and away the toughest conference in college football. And they put two teams in the playoffs every year. And they're battle-hardened by the time they get there. The PAC-12 and the Big 12, especially the PAC-12s, the weakest conference. Oh, what a benefit.

I won't have as many challenges. It's not winning any national titles in the last decade. So the idea that tough division means you're done. No, it doesn't. It depends on the weapons you inherit. Stafford inherited in a great division, great weapons. Brady inherited. in a reasonably tough division when he entered it, great weapons.

That's what Russell wanted. Remember, there's a story out today that Russell would only go. He wouldn't go to his hometown team, Washington. Didn't have enough weapons, defensive coach. He'd done that. He wouldn't go to Carolina. They were interested. Not enough weapons.

He didn't like that. Philadelphia. Not enough weapons. Didn't like that. They've whiffed on too many draft picks at receiver. He chose Denver. He's in the sport. Brady chose Tampa.

Matt chose the Rams. Remember the lion said you go wherever you want. We'll let you go. These guys play in the league. They know who can play. They know who can't play. So, by the way, there's all these rumors that Von Miller's going back to Denver. If they get Von Miller back, this trade goes.

Wow. That's all I'm going to say. If they get Vaughn Miller back the way he played at the end of last year, the CFOs that get it, get it, the CFOs that don't, don't. Go to NetSuite.com slash herd, special one-of-a-kind financing. NetSuite.com slash heard. Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news.

This is the Herdline News. The hackers are holding on to Devonte Adams. They franchise tagged him. Two sides now have until July 15th to agree on a long-term deal. His salary on the tag would be $20.1 million dollars. next season if they don't agree to an extension. He had 123 catches over 1,500 yards and 11 touchdowns last season and is pretty much the only receiver that Aaron Rogers trusts at this point. Yes, he, by the way, is he unhappy with this? I know he didn't, most players don't. They want

long-term, not short-term security. Well, yeah, I mean, you want to, he's, he's had a long-term deal. So this isn't his first deal. Now, obviously, he's going to get another long-term deal and be paid. he's the best receiver in the league. But, you know, it's not bad to make $20 million a year either on the franchise tag if you can't work it out. Now, what's going to happen moving forward with him and Aaron Rogers is what's interesting to me. I don't know what to make of this Packers team. I feel like I need to wait until after free agency is over and after the draft. They're going to go draft another receiver.

As they should. So if they, my takeaway is I need to see what they can do at wide receiver because they're fine everywhere else. They're not great everywhere, but they're fine everywhere else. they are not good enough at weapons. And everybody says, oh, Aaron Jones, running backs are not winning Super Bowls. Joe Mixon was the best running back in the Super Bowl. Well, they're good at Tideon.

They're a great running back core. I don't worry about that. And the Tried end core is good. Aaron doesn't trust their wide receivers. Like Aaron threw to Devante and then a running back. So they've got to get, not just better. They've got to get much better at weapons at wide receiver on the outside. And Devonte's been hurt more than once.

You know, OBJ got hurt. Robert Woods got hurt. Receivers get hurt. If their first two picks, they went receiver, receiver, I'd be okay with it. If you got a star quarterback, get him play. It's not obstacles, it's weapons. I just feel like I've seen it with Green Bay. I'm the same way.

I feel the same way. But I will say Brady, Breeze, and Russell leaving helps a lot. It helps the NFC. It does. I'm not discounting the ability of Aaron Rogers. We all know how great he is. He won back-to-back MVP's. But we have seen throughout sports history

great regular season quarterbacks who aren't that spectacular in the postseason. Yeah. He has won Super Bowl. Yeah. And because of the numbers that he puts up in the regular season, we kind of move him into a category as someone who's had more success in the postseason than he has.

Isn't in his last 16 playoff games? He's seven and nine? And mostly with home field advantage? Right. As a favorite, that's what he is. And the ending to this season, I think because he had such a great regular season and because it's become like, if you say anything critical of Aaron Rogers, you're like the wope mob or whatever, it was a catastrophe.

You went back-to-back MVP and had home field advantage against a wildcard team with a banged-up Jimmy Garapolo. It was a catastrophe. It wasn't a bat. It wasn't like, well, you know, they had a struggle to get there like clawed their weight. through, you were the absolute favorites. Like, you should have been in, not just ones in playoff games. You should have been in the Super Bowl. It was a catastrophe.

Like Tennessee losing as a one seed wasn't because all of you, including people in Nashville, are like. It was a surprise that they were the number one seat. A little surprise. But I mean, it's Ryan Tanna. You also didn't have Derek Henry for eight weeks. You can't lose at home in the playoffs off a by to a team that didn't score an offensive touchdown.

You can't lose that game. I mean, I just don't, I feel like we have to soften everything. To be nice to Wisconsin in their cheese factories. I mean, I love cheese. I have nothing against Wisconsin. It's not about that. I think it's just because if you say anything critical, it feels like you're being critical of this extreme talent, which you are during the regular season.

But this isn't a regular season league. Right. And that ending, to me, like that's more than a disappointment. So what they do this offseason, obviously the first thing was to get to Vante Adams back. and Aaron Rogers back. So you're in a good situation there. But you've got to make some drastic moves. Like this is,

there are standards that you should have there. And you're not reaching them. That's fair, right? Yeah, I mean, Mike McCarthy won regular season games. And Matt, like that's why I say about Matt Lafleur. Before you anoint him is great. He's winning in the worst division in football, regular season games.

You didn't hire Matt Lafleur. to win the NFC North. Mike McCarthy did that. You hired him to elevate Aaron to more Super Bowl opportunity. You didn't hire him to beat the Bears, Lions, and Vikings. He's been doing that for 10 years. There are a lot of teams that could do that. No disrespect to the Bears, lions, and Vikings, but we have seen it at this point.

So the Broncos pulled off the Blockbuster trade, Russell Wilson from the Seahawks. But there were some other offers on the table. There was another big offer, and that was from the commanders. They reportedly offered high picks in the next. three drafts, but it became apparent Seattle didn't want Wilson to stay in the NFC, but Wilson also had no trade clause in his contract that he would

not waive just for any move and Denver was reportedly the only place he wanted to go. Philadelphia was also reportedly on this list. He's already had a defensive coach. He didn't want to go to another defensive coach. Denver's got better weapons and I don't like the owner in Washington. I don't know who the owner in Denver is going to be, but there's too much

chaos in Washington. I would not sign up for Washington if I'm Russell Wilson. Now, I mean, commanders just, you know, obviously on the film in the medal, incredible. But also, he's a franchise changing quarterback for their, you know, reputation. Prime example. Russell Wilson could have gone to an easier division. He didn't choose the easier division.

He went to a tougher division because he would get weapons. All you guys are on this, oh, the AFC West is so tough. Nobody cares. So is the NFC West. So is the NFC. NFL. Who cares? Get me weapons. It does hope to be in a better, in a weak division. We all agree that it benefited Tom Brady to be in the AFC East. Is it helping Aaron Rogers that he's in an easy division?

Yes. His last 16th play. What Aaron needs is better weapons, not an easier division. That's not the goal here is to go to the easiest route. Unless you have the easiest route and weapons, Green Bay doesn't have a legitimate second elite receiver. But I would argue that the better, I would take a. I would take a. a better culture over an easier route. Oh, so would I. And I think Russell Wilson chose that. I don't think the culture in Philadelphia is as bad as it was, but it's still weird.

It's weird and it's a better situation in Denver. And their drafting history in Philadelphia in the last several years is at best dicey. So he didn't want to go to a defensive coach. He's had that. Philadelphia's drafting history is dice. Go look at Denver's last several drafts. They have hit home runs at running back, receiver. safety, pass rusher.

Like, they've hit a lot of home runs. Coroner, Patrick Sertan, they've hit a lot of home runs and a lot of different units. But to your point also, competition is not that scary. Like if you're somebody who's in a competitive business, like, I don't know, the NFL, it's competition. It's not that scary. It's nice to have things be easier,

but that doesn't mean anything in the long term. So it's been a frustrating season for Russell Westbrook, and Lakers fans have been very vocal about it. After the teams lost to the spurs on Monday, Westbrook spoke out about the harassment he and his family have gone through this year. And Magic Johnson pleaded with the fans to support Westbrook. He said Lakers Nation, Laker Nation, it's our responsibility to come together and support Russell Westbrook and his family. Threats and attacks on the Westbrook family are completely unacceptable and will not be tolerated.

There's no place in sports for this type of behavior, period. Russell plays an important role in the Lakers team will be a key component to the success of the rest of the season and the NBA playoffs. Let's do better, rally around the Westbrook family and support them. By the way, 99.9% of fans are very good fans. This is a small number of jerks that do this with players. And I'm not a Westbrook fan. Okay. And I think he needs to sometimes blame himself, not always somebody else.

He's been an agitator with the media, with teammates. He's had zero self-awareness all season. Zero. Most of his career. But this season has been particularly bad. And I, in no way, obviously, it's insane and despicable behavior to send someone a death threat to harass someone's family. As someone who's been in that situation,

it is complete insanity. Like, you are not well, and it's disgusting. But as far as Russell Westbrook and the rest of the fans, the fans who are not harassing him, the fans that are just upset, I was talking about this last night. I feel like this is something that's pretty common in the NBA, or in the NFL that's not common in the NBA.

When an NFL team is struggling, or even just has a bad game, it's all like, we got to be better, everyone's got to be accountable, I messed up. It's on me. Like, it's unacceptable. Blah, blah, blah, blah. You don't always hear that in the NBA.

And I think it goes a long way. Even though it doesn't really mean anything, like it might, we used to get on, Andrew Luck about this. Like, dude, it's not all your fault. Like, we get it. But that's the NFL kind of way. It's like you blame yourself.

Correct. NBA is blame others. Right. So I feel like if Russ came out after, I don't know, one of these abysmal games, and was like, hey, I have to be better. I've been awful. I'm making things worse. It's on me.

I take accountability. I can see how people are frustrated. The fans are booing. They deserve to boo. They pay a lot of money and we're not giving them the product that the Lakers fans demand. Do you know how far that would go with just fans? Forget us. Like we're going to evaluate things how we do.

But fans care about that. They want to feel like you care as much as they do and that you're not mocking them when they see that you're not playing well. And I just don't feel like that's... That's a situation. Accountability goes a long way. Russ is a very rigid player and a very rigid personality. At the height of his powers, he argued with the press. He couldn't get along with teammates.

Now he's no longer with the height of his powers. And he doesn't like how others are treating him. It's like, Russ, a lot of this is on Russ. It's not everybody else. No. And look, you have to, but roster's old. Anthony Davis isn't healthy. I get all that.

But the toxic nature of this season, you can place a lot of that at the feet of Russell Westbro. Okay, I'm getting a story. Oh, gosh. Okay. Continue going. No, no, no. I just think accountability goes a long way. That's all I'm saying.

All right, I just got a story. I'll tell you in a second. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. I have not had this double sourced. This is a singular source.

Do we want to tease it? Carson Wentz. I have not had this double-sourced. Carson Wentz is being moved. NFC team. Keep your eye on Washington. I have not had this double-sourced. I'm just telling you what I'm getting.

Carson went. The Colts have been looking to move him. Urse's done with him. They would move him to the NFC. Are they going to draft someone? I do not. I'm just saying, this is what I'm hearing. I'm going to be on the phone for nine minutes.

I just don't. All right. Right now? I love that for Washington. Absolutely. By the way, I work at Fox. Could some of the quarterbacks come over to our conference, please? Well, I mean, if they want to move him, they don't want to send him somewhere else.

I'm just saying I did not get Brady to the Bucks double-sourced. You were pretty right about that. All right. Let's take a break. I've got to make some calls. Get the herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific.

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Warren Moon, the Pro Football Hall of Famer, 9. Pro Bowls in 17 years. Okay, you did Seahawk games for years. You know the franchise. Are you shocked this morning? They moved off Russ and Bobby Wagner. Yeah, I'm a little bit shocked. You know, I was on an airplane when it happened.

So when I landed, my phone was blowing up with all the different people from Seattle who are big Seattle Seahawk fans and probably thought I had the inside scoop on everything. But, yeah, I was as shocked as anybody. One, because the Seahawks have been saying all offseason that they're happy with Russell don't want to move him. and Russell has been saying he's happy being on with the Seahawks. So it just shows you that you never know what's going on behind the scenes

and who makes the best offers to who. By the way, it is official. Carson went to Washington. We told you five minutes ago. Adam Schaefter just tweeted, Wents to Washington, which we told you five minutes ago. I have it double-sourced.

Adam Schaefter. So we broke that one, got lucky on that one. All right, Warren, let me ask you about this. I love Russ. I think he got frustrated. Three years ago,

I was told he was very upset. So was his agent when Pete and John Snyder went and watched Josh Allen's workout. It really stung Russell. I don't think they've been happy with Pete Carroll for years. What do you make of the erosion of that relationship? You know, it's hard to say because I would never get upset about a team going and look at another quarterback while I was there because I have confidence in my ability. Teams are always looking towards the future.

That doesn't mean they necessarily want to replace you. So you can't take those things personally. They're doing their job as scouts. They should go out and look at every quarterback that's coming out and every position that's coming out. Because that's just you doing your due diligence. You never know when you might need a quarterback down the road. But, yeah, if Russell was bothered by that, then he's bothered by that. Some guys are different than others.

Yeah. What do you make it? I like Denver's talent. But, you know, it's a new coach. A lot of these coordinators, Warren, as you know, very few. coaches become legends, just like quarterbacks. He's got a rookie head coach. Does it bother you a little bit,

Warren? It does, but I don't think this is a situation like a Matthew Stafford or something where they expect him to come in and they win a Super Bowl in the first year. You know, Russell's 34 years old. He's still kind of in his prime of his career. So I think there's time for him to come in there and get things

turned around as opposed to we win at all cost of the year Russell comes in. This is still a young football team. A lot of their pieces are talented but they're still not very proven as far as that wide receiving core. They still have some, I think, moves to make on their offensive line as well. Their defense is pretty solid, but you can always improve there also. But I think the reason they bring Russell Wilson is for stability going forward,

and they feel like within the next year or two, maybe they have a chance to compete for a championship. Kind of like Peyton Manning, when he came in, they wanted it right away, even though it didn't happen until the second year. Same thing with Tom Brady and Matthew Stafford. But I think with Russell coming in at this stage in his career and the stage of their football team, they're not looking for it the first year. If it happens, that's great.

But I think they're looking for Russell to be there the next four years. What would you do if you were Seattle at quarterback? You can't go Russell to Drew Locke, Warren. That's too big a gap for me. Yeah, I still think, Colin, there's a lot of teams, just like this Wince move. I think there's a lot of teams lying up for Deshaun Watson. I think that the Seahawks are doing their due diligence on his case. And I think there's a feeling that he might become available here pretty soon.

And a lot of these teams are going to try and create some draft capital in order to be able to make a trade for him. Just like the Seahawks getting all those draft picks, I don't know what Washington got for Wins. I mean, what Indianapolis got for Wins, but I'm sure they got some draft picks for him as well. So I think a lot of these teams are going to load up to see if there's a chance that Deshaun Watson becomes available. And maybe he's the big hedgepin this offseason that everybody wants. at the quarterback spot. Number nine pick. They could get Malik Willis potentially. I had a GM tell me yesterday. He said, big, strong athletic playmaker, raw, but Lamar Jackson was raw. He was MVP year two. What do you make of that? I don't think it's a bad pick at nine.

I don't think it is either. And the kid really impressed everybody at the combine, the way he threw the football. He also impressed with his character and the, you know, the whole situation with the homeless person. I think that went a long way with a lot of organization. So, yeah, this kid is right on the right track. And it's just a matter of which team is going to take the chance with a guy who, like you said, is raw, but has a lot of great upside. Yeah. By the way, 30 seconds left, Wentz to Washington. Do you like Carson?

You know, I do. I just wish he wouldn't do some of the things that he does in certain parts of the games. But he's a very talented guy for a big guy. I think he just tries to do too much at different times. And I think that goes back to his mentality when he was at North Dakota State. He felt like he had to do more than what he really has to. Let his other playmakers make plays. Let his defense play and don't make those costly turnover at critical times in games.

There's not a lot of 6-5, 240-pound quarterback. No, there aren't. There aren't. I mean, Warren, he's just, I mean, you know, you were a big quarterback, big arm that could move. There's just not many on the planet. Okay, we got to run. Warren Moon, the Hall of Famer. Thank you, Warren.

It's official. Wentz to Washington. Some picks, a couple third round picks. It's official. NFC finally got a quarterback. Hour 3 next. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite.

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