The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - What to look for in the NFL draft

Episode Date: April 12, 2024

Who are the top QBs in the NFL draft? More thoughts on Tom Brady's recent comments on a possible return   Guest: Eric ManginiSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We are live in Los Angeles. It's the herd. Joel Clatt next hour. Chris Broussard coming up later next hour. Get to Eric Mangini in a second. J. Mack, going to UFC 300 tomorrow. Ann's going to go with me. The pageantry.

Sounds fun. Maybe you'll see Aaron Rogers and Joe Rogan there, hang out. Joe Rogan's, I think they're ringing that. He's one of the announcers. I think he's at all of them, yeah. He knows his stuff. He knows UFC. I don't think Aaron will be there.

That's cool. You think they'll do any conspiracy? We could have a presidential candidate there, hope to avoid him. Joe Biden's going? Isn't that past his bedtime? That's a joke. That is a joke. I'm sorry.

It wasn't a bad joke. So I saw this. So college sports fans are wacko. The SEC is like a different level of tribalism. So Kentucky's really, really, really mad. Their fans are mad that they hired Mark Pope, who went to Kentucky, who went to med school at Columbia briefly qualified before he got a job, who won like 23 games a year at BYU and is really smart. Yeah, you win 23 games a year at BYU. You're a pretty

good basketball coach. I'd say you could win 28 games at Kentucky. He's also the anti-John Kalapari, where he likes guys that can shoot and have skill over guys with high ceilings, who he's going to develop for six months. He's got great confidence in his coaching. He likes guys that can shoot and high on the skill. So not a big sales pitch guy that he does have a personality. But, you know, Calipari's sales pitch is, don't worry about March, I'll make you rich. Mark Pulps is, hey, you'll come in, you'll play, and we're going to win games, and we can do well in the tournament.

Now, he doesn't have a tournament win, but, again, he, where's he coached? you know, give me all the bowl wins for Chip Kelly before he got to Oregon. Talent in coaching comes from somewhere. You don't get a start usually at Duke. So, I mean, I, Dan Hurley, the problem with Kentucky is this delusion. They just got turned down by coaches that weren't real candidates. Dan Hurley said not interested, nor should he be he's in a better program. Jay Wright's like, not interested, been there, done that.

I was at Villanova. I don't need to go to Kentucky. and Billy Donovan coaches the Chicago Bulls has a better life than a college coach who's constantly recruiting. So those three candidates are all probably better candidates than Mark Pope. That doesn't guarantee they'll do better, but they weren't real candidates. And so Kentucky, as SEC fans are prone to do, the wacko fans were calling the home phone numbers of like Kentucky administrators last night. Maybe that's a reason word gets out people don't want the job, is that you're unrealistic. So, I mean, Calipari was not a bad coach.

I think his sales pitch wore thin, and the culture changed, and he wouldn't change. But Mark Pope was great high school player, great college player, Kentucky Wildcat, won at BYU, went to a med school before he got a job. He said, good candidate. Well, he didn't win this and he didn't win that. I got news for you. Nick Saban, wasn't that successful at Michigan State. Got fired in the NFL.

Well, you start looking around, where do the good young coaches come from? They got to come from somewhere. Here was a little snippet of Pope and his personality at BYU. There's one secret to making shots. I was with Reggie Miller for two years. I was with Ray Allen for two years. I played for Larry Bird. Being with those guys, you know that there's a secret to making shots.

The problem is I have no idea what that secret is. For the record, could you have argued that the Houston Texan should have hired Belichick based on his resume? No, they went with a young guy, D'Amico Ryans, who hit it out of the park. Where do the next great coaches come from? Usually smaller schools, lesser programs. You know, I covered Jay Wright when he was assistant at UNLV, and I knew he would be great. He just wasn't ready at the time. And then he goes to Villanova, he starts coaching, takes him a while, builds his program up.

But Mark Pope is not a bad candidate. How many coaches got into Columbia med school scaled back? He played there. He was a great player. He's winning at BYU, which moved into the Big 12, which is, wasn't the Big 12 last year, the best college basketball conference? Arguably. A tough place to win games.

With that, Eric Mangini, Fox Sports NFL analyst, Brown's Jets head coach. By the way, before you got your head coaching job, I remember I'd talk about this young guy and the Jets could have easily gone for a bigger name. Who were the bigger names on the market when the Jets hired you? Jess, that's a long time ago, Colin. I don't know who the big names were. It was actually a little bit of a movement towards younger coaches at that time.

And then, you know, after I got there and the first year, we ended up being successful and going to the playoffs, that movement continued. And I think Mike Tomlin came pretty soon after me. and there's like four or five guys that were we were all kind of in the same same age group and then that's how it is you know in the NFL it's so cyclical you get the young guys and then they move away and then they may move to more mature guys but i agree with you you got to you got to give young guys a chance to prove that they can do it and typically they're going to come from programs that have had problems that made successful and now they have an influx of huge talent and they're really successful yeah so i was saying this about jordan love i remember when he came out, there were varying opinions on Jordan Love from my sources through the league. But I can remember one of the people that liked him saying, listen, young people more than older players need support because they're forming, they're refining, they're figuring out

who they are. So an assistant for a young player can be vital to their success. You know, a Tom Brady and Aaron Rogers, I mean, they kind of know what they do, get out of their way, they know what they do, they've got their habits formed and their confidence built. And so Drake May is an interesting one where I talked to an executive and they're like, go to his tape the year before he was throwing people open. His anticipation was better. He goes, you just don't know. Did he lose a quarterback coach, a receiver, a right tackle? So what was your evaluation on a Drake May that has had better stuff like a Jordan Love

earlier? How would you fall on that as a draft evaluator? Yeah, you want to look at the whole picture, and I'm not that high on Drake May. I didn't love them when I watched them on tape, and I think we talked about this before. I like Jaden Daniels more in the first half against Alabama than the three games that I did on Drake May this year. And one concern I have is the sacks. I mean, a year ago it was 40 sacks. This year was 29 sacks. I don't love the TD to interception ratio that he has.

It's a little Sam Darnold-esque. And then when you look at Sam Darnold back in college, his senior year, he had 29 sacks. This year, Drake may had 29 sacks, or not his senior year, but his last year had 29 sacks. And very similar in terms of interceptions of touchdowns. I think he had 24 touchdowns and 13 picks, and what Drake may have, like 22 and 9.

It's close, very close numbers-wise. And I get the excitement. about Drake May and there's a lot of positive things about him and you see the potential. There's also some big inconsistencies that I struggled with as I watched them. And, you know, there is the potential component to it and you hope that you can get that potential out of them. But I do, I have a little bit of the same feeling that I had when I watched Sam Darnold in college. Somebody I trust told me the Giants will take a quarterback if Jaden Daniels dropped.

I don't think he will because I believe Caleb's won, Jaden Daniels to Washington. I've been told us too. But if he dropped, the Giants can do a lot of different things. They'll move down. They'll get a receiver. I was told more than any team in the draft. The Giants are just going to wait and see what happens. They don't have enough talent to give up years of draft capital.

And they don't believe Daniel Jones is the kind of guy that can take them where they want to go privately. So here's my thing. Let's say Drake May falls to the Giants. and you're like, well, we think he's better than what we have, but he has holes. What would you do if you ran the Giants in one of these, J.J. McCarthy was available. Drake May was available. We know Pennix and Bo Nix will be. So Caleb's off the board. Jaden's off the board.

Would you go quarterback if the other guys are available? Unless I firmly believe that this guy's going to be our quarterback for the next 10 years, years and that he can actually get us to where we need to go. And you're not hoping, you're not trying to sit in the room with the, you know, head of the draft and the pro personnel guys and the owners and convince yourself that he's better than Daniel Jones because in that case, it's a mistake. You're going to spend $92 million on Daniel Jones. And you really lost Saquan Barkley because you made that decision with Daniel Jones.

And they've spent a lot of money this off season. spent the seventh most money of any team in the NFL and there are other holes and I really believe that that Brian Dayball can get the most out of Daniel Jones and and I think he'll do a good job with a rookie quarterback as well but unless you have a firm conviction that the guy you're taking that spot is not only going to be better than Daniel Jones now but he's going to be there for the next 10 years and gives you a chance to win a championship otherwise it's just it's just it's probably going to end up getting Brian fired because there's going to be tremendous pressure to play that guy

and he's probably not going to be ready and when he comes in he's probably not going to be better than Daniel Jones and ownership's going to look at it and say we spent a lot of money on this player and now we had to go take another guy with the six pick in the draft they start to question your decision making so I would say if if anything draft the best player to either help Daniel Jones or push back and get more more firepower to improve the overall team Well, you know New England well. I've made the argument that if you move down in the draft and just go get skill players and draft capital,

and then if your team is that young, if you hit on seven or eight draft picks, then go pay for a free agent quarterback next year because I don't believe even Caleb Williams could succeed with this lack of playmakers. I think you have, for me, there's two quarterbacks I love, and then everything else is really situational. And I think Jaden Daniels is,

going to work with Cliff Kingsbury. I mean, he's had that kind of player before. I think Caleb's going to work. The Bears are a much better situation. After that, it's where you'll whoever goes to Minnesota with Kevin and those raw weapons will do fine. But I look at New England and I'm like, boy, I could really be talked in if I was Robert Kraft. Move down, get picks, get faster, and let's just go to the free agent market next year. Is that crazy? No, I don't think it's crazy, but it's a little bit like they say you should never go shopping hungry. And right now New England is hungry for a quarterback. And they've got Jacoby Brissette and he's got 18 wins and they've got Bailey Zappi and he's got four wins. So

there's not a lot there. And the fan base is looking for the answer to who's going to be the next Tom Brady. But you're right again. If there's not the conviction in that spot, either trade back and try to build the roster and maybe pick up another number one for next season and understand that this is a transitional year, and it may not be what everybody wants to hear and what everybody wants to see in New England, because they're used to so much success for so long, but there are a lot of things that have to get better.

So to bring another quarterback in, they just did that with a rookie quarterback, and that didn't work out. So to bring another guy in, again, that you don't know or don't have a true belief that he can be the guy, to me, it's just trying to win. in the press conference as opposed to trying to win long term.

All right, here's Tom Brady on a podcast. I want you to listen to this from a guy you know well. Here's Tom Brady. Let's say one day there's a situation, right? Maybe it's the 49ers, maybe, you know, heading to the playoffs. Offense is great. God forbid somebody goes down. Would you pick up that phone?

I'm not opposed to it. If they would, I don't know if they're going to let me if I become an owner in the NFL team, but I don't know if, I don't know. I'm always going to be a good shape. always be able to throw the ball. So to come in for a little bit, like MJ coming back, I don't know if they let me, but I wouldn't be opposed to it. All right, Eric, what do you make of that?

I love it. I thought it was going to happen last year. I thought that he was coming back last year. I thought he was going to play for the 49ers last season. And I definitely felt that if someone needed him late, he would have answered that call last season. And it couldn't be more clear. fact that he's putting it out there that he could do it he'll be ready to do it

he'll be open to do it to me that's that's about as clear messages as he can send to any team that that's interested that he's he's he's ready and then you know he's got to be sitting there watching joe flacco last year and think right i can do this and i can do this at a really high level and i've got an opportunity to maybe go win another super ball if i get if i get with the right team i thought it was so interesting that he brought up the patriots I mean, can you ever imagine if he went back to New England and they had a ton of success? And it wasn't with Bill and what kind of controversy and debates that would create?

Well, I mean, the two that jump out to me are both in the NFC North. So between Kevin O'Connell and those weapons and that left tackle, tight-end run game, if Sam Darnold started O'N3, I could see absolutely Kevin O'Connell saying, listen, I got J.J. McCarthy. He's not ready to play. Tom, I'm going to have this kid watch it for a year. Or if Jared Goff with that thing, that Detroit team's got about two years until they have to pay the whole roster. They're not paying them. I can see if Jared Goff got banged up, like, you want to come play.

So, I mean, to me, I think people forget. This is not Drew Breeze or Peyton Manning or Marino where they were shot physically. Tom's last year in Tampa with no run game, he had five game winning drives. He threw for 4,700 yards. I mean, you remember his last year. What did you make of it? Colin, what about if Rock Purdy has a down season? What if he gets stinged up late in the year?

And the thing that people forget about Tom is it was never about mobility with him. That was the last thing that was known in terms of his game. So as he gets older, that's never been something that's hurt the way that he's been able to produce. And to bring in someone like Tom, with his level of not just experience, but winning to a team that's really good and balanced, you've got a real shot at that point. He is a legitimate answer to a problem for a good team, especially late in the season. Eric Manjini, are you going to be on first things first today?

You're in the studio, right? So you'll be... I am. I'm in the studio, yes. All right, good luck. Good luck on that show. They're a little crazy. We're a little more sedated here. Have fun this weekend.

All right. Thanks. Yeah, you know, that's interesting. Brock Purdy has another elbow issue. Then, by the, you know what, I'll never root against anybody. But if Brady took control of that organization and won a trophy, would you then acknowledge? Here comes Brady off the senior tour, grabs the clubs and wins the Masters. Wouldn't you be acknowledged now?

Okay. So, what, 47-year-old Tom Brady takes control of the organization? and Brock Purdy was just, what, a caddy for Debo, Samuel, and everybody. Come on, Colin. You don't think the Brady... You're on fire today. You don't think the Brady thing... No, no, there was something to Brady.

Remember. Eric said, he put it out there for the league to hear it. Tom is strategic. He also had a smile on his face. He wants to help this barber go viral. I'm assuming that's a barber, right? Well, it's not a mechanic. Yeah.

So, I mean... What's to help the guy out? Come on. He had a smile on his face. Well, he also said twice. twice he indicated I'd take the call. Aren't you kind of putting stuff out there? Listen, I love it here.

If Barkley and Shaq say, man, McIntyre, we like to cut of your jib. I'd take the call. What am I doing? I take the call from them. I'm probably not going to go. But I take a call. Sure. Okay.

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What's that body language? I still feel bad for Otani. I feel terrible for him. 16 mil? This guy was just a degenerate. So it appears he was like buddies with him close friends interpreter for three years. And at some point in 2021, he decided, I'm going to just start stealing money and gamble that away. I'm very curious what happened.

Maybe he just saw up close. This guy, Otani's loaded. He's not going to notice if I just start taking money. Well, you start money and sex makes people validate bad decisions. And for men, and your ego, your id gets involved. And I don't, to me, that's sociopathic. The fact that you could do that to anybody is discouraging. I couldn't do it to anybody.

To do it to a friend, you're a sociopath. And then remember, he's hanging out with him every single day. But there are guys doing this all over. They're guys hitting on buddies' wives. There are sociopaths among us. They're all over the place. I mean, there's a lot of, you know, I think 99% of the people are good people. But there are people that are, I mean, my wife sat on a plane yesterday with somebody,

and she sat next to a sociopath, was screaming at people on the plane because she touched his bag. No, like out of, you know, she's like, I'm not married to him. I don't know him. Like, crazy town, because somebody touched his bag. It was a nice bag. And just went ballistic on like airline workers. There's people out there. They'll justify behavior, justify criminal behavior just because they feel they're important.

And they're, hey, it's no big deal for you. You see it all over society. Thank God. It's a small. Most people are very decent. Most people would be gutted by this. But what he's doing, I have seen pro athletes and entertainers robbed by agents and allies my whole life. De Niro, Billy Joel, Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, Kareem.

You're smart guys, people that know what they're doing. Robbed by allies. Yeah. I think it's something to do with just entitlement. For the first time in my life, Colin, I had someone this week threatened to take me to court over something. And I said, I mean, this is it. Are you speaking like English? It just makes sense.

Like people are just crazy and just think they're entitled to do a bunch of stuff. I was like, I don't know. I just feel bad for Otani. I don't know how he's handling this. Yeah. J. Mack with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news.

This is the herd line news. Start with the Houston Texans blockbuster off season, adding Stefan Diggs. Remember they got to the playoffs last year. CJ Stroud went off. Now they're trying to build a contender while Hannah McNair, the wife of Cal McNair, saying we want to win now. We've seen their win total spike. I was kind of, I thought they'd pull back a little, but they've made more great moves.

They're going all in. I think they added, I think I saw 11 new bodies to the team. Just adding guys left and right. Before the draft. Remember last year, and you could go back and find us archive, but I'm sure it's somewhere. But we had said, because we have a guy in the staff, Greg, that's from, Houston. And I had said during last year's offseason, I said, they're making a bunch

of really smart B-2-B-plus moves. Dalton, Schultz. It's not an A, you didn't get Travis Kelsey, but very productive tied in. And they just started adding guys, and you're like, God, it's the Houston Texans. And then they're a draft, and you're like, oh, they hit a couple of home runs.

And this off-season again, like, it's, people don't win by osmosis or coincidence. Like, the Houston Texans now have a very sharp GM a great coach, a great coordinator, and a star quarterback. They're not doing it. It's not a matter of the AFC South being weak.

They hit on several key things. And the other thing that jumps out to me with the Texans' growth is Nick Casario was in New England. Why were their draft so damn bad for the last six years? He goes to Houston, and they're crushing it. It tells you that Belichick usurp some of his power and had too much of it. Because New England was awful at the draft. Same guy leaves go to Houston. And they're terrific in the draft.

Okay, but, and this will never know the answer to this, but how much of it was just luck that C.J. Stroud fell to them. And Carolina picked the wrong guy. Now, if C.J. Stroud goes to Carolina, I mean, I don't know. It's not luck because they also hit on the coordinator and the coach and Tank Dell and Dalton Schultz. Luck is powerball. This isn't luck. You know, were they fortunate that they got C.J. Stroud?

But the reason C.J. Stroud, then they also, by the way, traded up for Will Anderson, if you recall. And at the time, people were like, you're trading up for a defensive end. And I think it was Arizona had their pick. And people were like, oh, Arizona's going to have two five pick next. I said that myself. It didn't look like the smartest trade. What's interesting, Colin, with all these new faces and bodies and strong personalities, Joe Mixon, you saw on that list, Stefan Diggs, young quarterback, how is that soup going to work? Is everything going to go together nicely?

And that's a tall order for their young head coach, Domeco Ryan. That's a very difficult one, is it not? I think I felt like because they won their division, I thought they would get a tougher schedule. And I felt like, okay, Herbert's going to get a real coach. And here comes Joe Burrow. And the conference is going to be better. Aaron Rogers will be healthy.

But boy, once again, I watch what they're doing. And I'm like, they just got smart guys. I know there's a lot of people out there that think success is luck. Houston has turned around a shipwreck in a year and a half based on smart people making really smart moves. Do you know that they reached out to me? This is people that do their homework. So I did an interview with Notre Dame Safety, Kyle Hamilton, at my house.

Because he was on a podcast network. The Houston Texans saw it, literally reached out to me. And they're like, hey, do you got five minutes? What were your interpretation? of them as a human being. So I wrote him an email on the Straints, this or that. But I thought to myself, that's somebody that now, Baltimore went and got him. But the Texans literally reached out and they were like,

you spent 35 minutes with him. What were your interpretation? They just wanted information from any source. And I was like, that's real homework. Because I've had people on this show. If I've had somebody, I had a quarterback, and I had somebody reach out and say, what was he like off the air when the camera wasn't on? That's just people seeking information. I like people that do that in any business. Super hot take.

Colts win the division. I don't think that's a hot take. I think Shane Steichen's great. I think that's where the betting value is. Here's a hot take. That division's going to end up being much better than people think. Two playoffs teams. Yeah.

So that division was weak, but I think Indy, I think Jacksonville now with Trevor Lawrence is healthy in Houston. I forgot about Jacksonville. Dang. No, that division's no longer. Don't confuse it with the NFC South. Well, last year it was Bill's and Dolphins in the AFC East. I think both will miss them. the playoffs this year.

All right. Good luck with that. Super hot take. All right. Next up, J.J. McCarthy jumping up draft boards leading up to the draft. One NFL GM is not as impressed. An anonymous GM told the athletic, he hasn't seen the positives that we're hearing about McCarthy now.

The GM also said McCarthy never had to carry Michigan and was driving a damn Cadillac. Whatever that means. Well, he was, by the way, the best Cadillac on the streets. Well, you can say that about C.J. Stroud. I mean, look at all great players he played with it. some point, we think J.J. McCarthy's talented. I do not see what everybody else sees in terms of, like, superstar, but what do I know? I think there's two quarterbacks that feel different. Caleb Williams would succeed almost anywhere, and I think Jaden Daniels is really good, really

consistently good. After that, whoever lands in Minnesota has a strong likelihood, whoever it is, they'll succeed. And if Sean Payton gets a guy, I think Sean Payton and Kevin O'Connell, Denver and Minnesota, who they land has a higher chance to succeed that if they ended up with just an average coach or a defensive. You know what my takeaway from that is? The athletic was talking to a GM who's like over 65 years old because nobody references Cadillacs anymore. It's all about the Lambo, the McLaren.

Oh, that's a good point. The real car. So who are the oldest GMs in the league? I'll siphon through that at the next commercial break and get back to you. That's a good call by you. Yeah. Final story is the Vikings, your favorite team in the league next year. They lose Kirk Cousins to the Falcons, and they're sitting at 11th in the draft.

They have the Capitol to move up, and their GM spoke about why Minnesota sees plenty of great options in this quarterback class. There's multiple guys that we are in love with just on an outright basis, but there's also other guys that we're in love with, given what, if we get them at a certain value, what they'd also be able to come with, right? So, as I talked about earlier, skill set-wise, if you're talking about the ability to overcome contacts, well, if the guys got less ability, but we have assets to go get somebody who's not going to put them in that situation. Those things add up too. A lot of times evaluators can be a little one-track mind. This is the guy and nobody else.

That's not how it's been. We've really come to appreciate how guys get to their answer a different way, and I think that's going to serve us well. I like what Minnesota's done. Remember, they move off Dalvin Cook. Oh, Dalvin Cook, top five running back. What are they doing? By the way, he kind of disappeared.

Good timing. They move off Kirk Cousins. They dump Madison, the backup to Dalvin Cook. They know you can just plug in a guy, Ty Chandler, whoever. I just, I'm not as excited about them as you are this season. Going forward, yes. Minnesota in my life, the Vikings have almost never been awful. They don't have Green Bay's titles, but they remind me a lot of Kansas City, Prima Holmes.

I always thought of them as a tough team, good at home. So I grew up in the 70s, they were great for years with Bud Grant. Purple people leaders. Fran Tarkin and Alan Page. I mean, they, Amad Rashad. I mean, they were just great. They were always good. All I remember is Dante Colpepper, Randy Moss, and Chris Carter.

Those teams were nasty. Yeah. I think 15 and 1. Like, it's just one of those things where, you know, you look at Minnesota and everybody kind of, I look at them like the Kansas City Chiefs. If Mahomes goes to Kansas City or if Mahomes goes to Minnesota, not Kansas City, the Vikings run the league. I mean, the ownership is solid. They've had really solid personnel moves. They always have good players.

I mean, they move off Stefan Diggs, Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison, Osborne, T.J. Hawkinson, Aaron Jones. Dude, they're off at the left tackle's the best young left. I always think Minnesota is full of smart people and well-run. It's just they haven't won the game. J-Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The herd-line news. It's almost like, and I know I go old school here, and it really bothers J-Mack. But when the Golden State Warriors got great, I'll give you the great example. So I grew up in the 70s is when I fell in love with sports. Well, the Warriors were great. They had Rick Berry and Jeff Mullen and Al Adels and Clifford Ray and I think Keith Wilkes, I think I'm just the own guys out there. But they were really, really good.

And it was an incredible basketball city. And then they were bad forever. But the city still loved the Warriors. So when you watch the Warriors now, it's easy to say, oh, the fans are bandwagon fans. But I always thought it was for years and years, like Chicago, I go to watch the Bulls twice. in the last month. The place is sold out. The team's not any good.

Chicago's a very good. I grew up with the Bulls. Years and years and years and years went in the 70s, and they had like Bob Love and they just, Michael took a really good fan base and it exploded for 10, 12 years. And that's what Steph Curry's done. But there are a lot of cities out there that are great cities, but they've been poorly owned or poorly run.

And so, you know, I mean, like when you look at the Cleveland Browns, when have they not loved the NFL? Well, my entire life, the Browns have been one of the top five fan bases in the league. They've had a lot of bad owners. It's not their fault. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Hey, we're Kavino and Rich. Fox Sports Radio every day, 5 to 7 p.m. Eastern.

But here's the thing. We never have enough time to get to everything we want to get to. And that's why we have a brand new podcast called Overpromised. you were having so much fun in our two-hour show, we never get to everything. Honestly, because this guy is over-promising things we never have time for. Yeah, you blubberlips. Well, you know what? It's called over-promise.

You should be good at it because you've been over-promising women for years. Well, it's a Kavino-and-rich after-show, and we want you to be a part of it. We're going to be talking sports, of course. But we're also going to talk life and relationships. And if Rich and I are arguing about something or we didn't have enough time, it will continue on our after-show called Over-Promised. Well, if you don't get enough, Kavino and Ray, Make sure you check out Overpromise and also uncensored, by the way.

So maybe we'll go at it even a little harder. It's going to be the best after show podcast of all time. There you go. Overpromising. And remember, you could see it on YouTube, but definitely join us. Listen to Overpromised with Kavino & Rich on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games.

Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win.

I don't care which I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball, college football or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated.

One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to The Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking What the hell does George Bush Got to do a little kill Well you can find out

On the Look Back at it podcast I'm Sam Jett And I'm Alex English Each episode We pick it here unpack what went down And try to make sense of how we survived it

Including a recent episode With Mark Lamont Hill Waxing all about crack in the 80s To be clear 84 is big to me Not just because of crack I'm down to talk about crack On day but yeah yeah

Literally But just so y'all know I mean at this point Mark this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you finishing that sentence.

Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Tomorrow on Fox, catch Ohio State's annual Scarlet and Grey Game. where coach Ryan Day and the Buckeyes begin a pivotal season and look to rise to the top of college football once again. It all kicks off at noon Eastern on Fox. So outside of the NFL, every sport in America is overwhelmingly dependent on who is winning. In college football, Michigan got really great last year. Michigan has a massive national fan base. The ratings went up.

The Big Ten this year adding Washington and USC. in Oregon, popular programs, UCLA. The ratings for the Big Ten, the people upstairs are indicating it'll pop 15 to 20%. Texas, Oklahoma to the SEC will help the numbers. You know, I mean, Serena is hard to replace. Roger Federer, harder a place. John McEnroe, harder a place. So almost all sports, outside of maybe in England, the English Premier League,

they're going to watch Liverpool regardless. And in the NFL, we watch the NFL regardless. But in the NBA, we were just talking during the break. What if the Warriors and Lakers both don't get in? Steph, A.D., LeBron, Draymond Green. Villains are not. Those are big names in the West. People don't know OKC yet.

Now, OKC is really good. But people don't really follow Carl Anthony Towns and Rudy Gobert and Ann Edwards, like Steph and LeBron. That's why it's really important that the Knicks with Jalen Brunson are playing great basketball. Like, it's really important for the NBA. because after Boston, Milwaukee's not driving a number. And so it's interesting to me this weekend, you're getting into a situation that playing tournament. I mean, if LeBron gets launched out in Steph Curry,

now I tend to believe the warriors are more valuable than LeBron at this point because I think the warrior style of play, they've got the beloved Steph Curry and the villain Draymond. So I don't think LeBron's necessarily a villain anymore, but AD is not, you know, he's not driving a number. I do think if the Warriors get bounced in the playoffs, it is bad for the NBA. If the Lakers get bounced and the Warriors make a surge, don't kid yourself. Steph Curry, to me, drives a bigger rating than anybody in this sport.

Any franchise, any player, including LeBron, it's driven by Steph Curry. His style of play is more fun than LeBron, you know, taking wild shot. It's like Caitlin Clark at Iowa. It's nothing against Iowa or women's college basketball. Caitlin Clark drove those numbers. Her games got huge numbers, and then the game that followed right after got huge numbers. You take Caitlin out, it's not the same TV rating. So it's interesting.

At the end of the year, you got everybody in the league playing tonight and Sunday. It does matter who gets into these NBA playoffs. By the way, speaking to Carl Anthony Towns in the New York Knicks. So we know that all stars are not the same in the NBA. So the Timberwolves, Carl Anthony Towns, is coming back. He's been hurt. they're actually a better team statistically when he was out. They play faster.

They hit more threes. Minnesota offensively was a better team. Look at these numbers. Look at these numbers without cat. Points per game, assist for game, fast break points, especially fast break points. They're a faster team without Carl Anthony Towns. What does this mean? Teams like the Warriors and Knicks that are looking for a big who can score,

Minnesota is looking at this thinking, we already got a big, this is an Aunt Edwards team, we can move off this. We are in a weird way, the injury has let Minnesota get a real view of this club without their second big.

My take is they'll move off if the Knicks and Warriors or somebody calls. Julius Randall's also interesting. So he's out, and the Knicks have been great without him. And so if you look at Julius Randall, his price tag and what he historically has done in the playoffs, he disappears in the playoffs. He's a guy that plays with heavy, heavy effort, big minutes, heavy effort.

That's great for the regular season. But if you go look at his playoff career average, he's a very average player. 17 a game, 34% from the floor, too many turnovers. So the Knicks, similarly, Julius Randall has a market. Carl Anthony Towns has a market, but both the Knicks and the T-Wolves, have gotten a little bit of a break. They have watched their team without really good players who they're probably privately wondering about moving

and their teams are fine without him. The Knicks now run more of their plays through Jalen Brunson. He's on fire. He's great. I mean, Luca got in the way of him. It looks like Julius Randall a little bit gets in the way of Jalen Brunson. So Luca and Jailen. So I'm watching Jalen Brunson last night,

and I've watched him live here recently. This kid is next to Ewing. To me, he is the Knicks. This is the best Knicks star in a long time. So Carl Anthony Towns leaves Minnesota. They actually play at a faster pace. They're a little better offensively. Julius Randall leaves the Knicks.

You think you lose this and that and this. But in the playoffs, there's an argument. They'll be less relying on him, won't have to create shots for him, and it'll be more Jalen Brunson's team. So just things to think about, I don't know. I think Carl Anthony Towns and Julius Randall, especially Carl Anthony Towns, there are teams out there that need a 20 point a game, 22 point a game big. Warriors do, Knicks do, among others.

All right. Tom Brady said on a podcast, J. Mack is downplaying it, but I do think certain athletes, when they become like cottage industries, they're strategic. They put stuff out there. LeBron, I've seen do it. I've seen Brady do it. It's not a bad.

thing, they put stuff out there. So Brady put it out there on a podcast, hey, if somebody calls, I'll take the call. Well, he wouldn't say it twice. Tom's no dummy. He wouldn't say it twice. He's looking around at Joe Flacco and thinking, anyway, Eric Mangini, who coached around Brady for years, his thoughts on what Tom said. The fact that he's putting it out there, that he could do it, he'll be ready to do it, he'll be open to do it. To me, that's about his clear. a message as he can send to any team that's interested that he's he's ready and you know he's got to be sitting there watching Joe Flacco last year and think I can do this and and I can do this at a really high level and I've got an opportunity to maybe go win

another Super Bowl if I get with the right team and and the thing that people forget about Thomas it was never about mobility with him that was the last thing that that was known in terms of his game so as he gets older that's never been something that's hurt the way that he's been able to produce. Do you think the league's better with Brady in it next year? I do. I think it's more fascinating. I think we're in the story business. He goes to a Minnesota or San Francisco. Are you kidding me? Okay. I'm not going to answer that, but let me push back on this. If he's not opposed to a late season return, why didn't he call the Jets when Aaron Rogers went down there? Because he doesn't want to

play with a team with a defensive coach and a terrible O line. That's a terrible place to go. There is an absolute truth. Old quarterbacks need good old lines, which why the Niners to me is not the best fit. It would be Jared Goff goes down Detroit. Kirk Cousins get hurt. Atlanta, those are great old lines. Well, wait a minute. Atlanta had no quarterback last year anyway. Why didn't he just go there? Because it wasn't his first choice. Maybe he's waiting for the Niners. Jets is a bad old line. Well, it was bad. It's now better. Morgan Moses added. Tyron Smith. They got the guard. from Baltimore. They're going to draft the guy. On this show,

had you ever mentioned Morgan Moses before this? We often don't talk right tackles, but sometimes I like to get in the trenches. Okay. No, no, actually we do talk tackles during the gambling NFL season. You know offensive line matters. We love Lane Johnson. For the record, Lane, we love you. Just for the record, Jets have the best roster in the AFC East, and that's undeniable. You cannot even push back against that.

Go ahead. Let's see the Jeff. I don't want to take the... There's holes all over the place. I do not want to take the audience through this nonsense. But you'll talk 70s NBA with them, right? Okay. You can't tell me that America isn't riveted when I bring up Jack Sigma. You can't...

I know Jack Sigma. Because he played the 80s. I know a little bit 80s. Yeah. Okay. The 70s NBA just didn't have a dynasty. But it's when the NBA was reborn. Didn't have a dynasty.

Did they have a TV deal? I mean, we're on tape delay, bro. Come on. Jeez. You know, you forget. You think the 70s, you know, the 70s and today has a lot peanut butter and jelly sandwiches were great then. They're great now. We didn't have FaceTime, the distractions, all the silly apps.

It was the same place. You loved your kids. You got to work. Listen, I'm going to pull back the curtain a little bit here. You're a big FaceTime guy. Every time I'm hanging out with you, you're on FaceTime. No, FaceTime's the greatest invention outside of television. Don't bash it here.

No, I'm not. It's a little distracting. It's the second best invention of my life to television. I'm not talking medical inventions. I'm saying tech that we use. I don't need Zoom. I can live without Zoom. How about air conditioning?

Well, again, I've never lived in Mobile, Alabama. I've, you know, I did, yes, air conditioning made the South more viable with factories, Arizona's livable. Yes, yes, I know that. Well, Arizona, I thought we said we're out. Yeah, I mean, no, no, I'm not in my life and in my reality, TV FaceTime. What's that? FaceTime number two.

Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter.

Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth.

Listen to Superhuman on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media.

Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifers Show. This is a place for raw, unfilled conversations with athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. So let's get to it. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

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