The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - Where Colin was right and wrong

Episode Date: August 4, 2025

Colin tells you why he was right about Jerry Jones and wrong about Shedeur Sanders. He also talks to 3-time Pro Bowl QB Matt Hasselbeck about Micah Parsons requesting a trade and why it might be time for the Cowboys to seriously consider making that moveSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Here we go. It's hour two. It is a Monday. Matt Hassel, back to three-time Pro Boulder in five minutes. Diana Rusini stops by as well. It is great to be back from vacay. Jay Mack and I are rolling and ready to go. NFL games. They start filtering in little video, quarterbacks. Where are we going? You know what's interesting to me? I was talking to my buddy John Middlecalf, who's been on their show before, is that the guy lost in all this because we know that Jaden Daniels is is and Bo Nicks are working. Drake May looks really, really solid. Caleb, we're going to have our eyes on. And J.J. McCarthy, we're going to have our eyes on. In all of this, Michael Pennix is quietly in the deep south in Atlanta and nobody's talking about it. Where are you on Pennix today if you had to guess? Well, it's funny. I'm lining up all my bets when I go to Vegas, the season long stuff. I have the Falcons in the playoffs. I have them

winning the division. I'm going to be taking Pennix and fantasy. I think he's got a lot. lot of value in that offense. Colin, we only saw a few games of him last year. Remember the Washington game? That was nip and tuck until the end. And they ended up losing. But it was like, I saw some things from Pennix. I think he's going to be good.

I'm a buyer of the Atlanta Falcons. Yeah, no, no. I said this before. I think he's a bigger, stronger, Tua. Left-hander, beautiful ball downfield. It's not bad. Bigger arm, bigger athlete. Can move, but you don't necessarily want him to because of previous injuries.

Tua actually has a better coach, though, in Mike McDaniel. You kind of just destroyed McDaniel for like 10 minutes. I thought it was out of bounds and unwarranted. But nevertheless, if you give Pennix an offensive guy like McDaniel, oh, look out. I'm not anti-Mike McDaniel. I'm three years into it. I was told it was revolutionary with all the motion and flashing. They're 28, 23 in a division with the Jets and the Patriots.

He made the playoffs twice. He took two to the playoffs, but two of it got hurt. And two of it keeps getting hurt. And then they make the playoffs and, oh, no, they lost to the Chiefs in Arrowhead in the playoffs. I mean, geez, with a lot of shame in that one in, like, negative 30 degrees where guys were losing fingers in the stands. So, like, I thought you were extremely harsh on McDaniel. Remember, he's Yale educated, Colin. Oh, okay.

So are a lot of our bad presidents. I mean, I did. All right, Colin right, Colin wrong in a Monday. Here we go. Where Colin was right. Jerry Jones once again has mangled a contract situation. this a couple years ago with Jerry. The Cowboys are starting to feel like the Raiders when Al Davis aged. Al lost his fastball. I think Jerry has lost his fastball and has too much power in the

organization. The old saying, all hat, no cattle. Jerry tells us he's a great businessman, but he keeps getting taken to the cleaners by players and Micah. Now, what are you going to do? Trade him now? What are you going to do? You could have traded him last year and gotten multiple players that could help you now in the NFC as it strengthens as a conference. I don't like where Dallas is headed and it's all on Jerry. Where Colin was wrong. Well, Jimmy, I don't know if I believe him, but Jimmy Haslam says the Shadour Sanders draft pick, hey, I didn't do that.

That was all on Andrew Barry. And to that, I would say, why would you draft when you had Kenny Pickett and Joe Flacko, why would you draft two more quarterbacks in the third and fifth round? I don't get it, but at least Jimmy Haslam is saying the right things publicly, which is, hey, I didn't have anything to do with a draft pick. Where Colin was right? Well, I won't beat on it too much more, but Tyreek Hill said last week that one of the Dolphins running backs shouldn't be a short yardage tailback.

On Sunday, Mike McDaniel said, yeah, he isn't. We worked on that. There appears to be a gap this offseason between Tyreek and Tua, Tyreek and the team, and Tyreek and Mike McDaniels, and we've always said a lot more sizzle than actual state with that acquisition. Where Colin was right? J.J. McCarthy, according to Kevin Sefer, respected reporter at ESPN. Accuracy, a bit of an issue in the red zone.

Jeremy Fowler, another respected reporter. saying they're having to work a lot on touch. Everything is a fastball. I don't know how good J.J. McCarthy is, but I never bought into the narrative that multiple teams were going to move up in the draft to get him. I've heard the opposite is that there were real concerns that J.J. McCarthy had been led by a great coach,

a great defense, a great run game in college, and never really had to lead inferior talent, which is what happens in the NFL, if you're a lottery quarterback. Where Colin was wrong. Yeah, I may have to temper my Tennessee Titan predictions. They just got rid of their first round receiver a couple years ago, Traylon Burks. Apparently, Cam Ward, last couple of practices, four picks.

Cam Ward admits we're really right now very mid is what he called his offense. between Tyler Lockett, Calvin Ridley, and Van Jefferson. Now no Birx. It's arguably the weakest receiving core in the NFL. I do get two more revisions on my NFL predictions, so I may have to scale back on the Titans. Where Colin was right? Luca Donchich, men's health, in the best shape of his career.

This is what I've said about Luca. Defense and being in great shape are all about wanting to. Do you want to be a great defender? Do you want to be in great shape? When did Luca get in the best shape of his career? His first year is a rookie when he wanted to impress, and now the Lakers have new owners. This is why I've said he's a much better version of Carmelo Anthony. I don't worry about his game. I think he's going to have an unbelievable season. Does he have the want? LeBron, Kobe, Michael, they were great defenders because they wanted to be great defenders. So he breaks into the NBA. We're like, wow, this guy's amazing and increasingly

gets in worse shape. Lakers have new owners. He has an offseason. Now once again, he's in unbelievable shape. Where Colin was wrong. The Indiana fever are on a heater. All of it without Caitlin Clark. Gotta be honest, she is a great player. But Sophie Cunningham's been on fire, hitting threes yesterday, they're in a five-game winning streak with no Caitlin Clark. So, in fact, Kaelin this year, between injuries and struggling, has not been Caitlin Clark and Indiana still has the fifth best record in the league. Where Colin was right? What do you know? The Celtics minority owner is buying the Connecticut Sun for $325 million. I had said this two weeks ago. Yes, merch up 1,000 percent.

TV ratings, attendance, this league, and it's got issues like it's officiating, like its inability to handle Caitlin Clark well, but is it a buy as a stock? Absolutely. I don't care about the last 25 years. Merch, TV ratings, attendance, all up at least 100%. It's absolutely a buy as a sports franchise. I felt this way five years ago about the MLS. I feel that now, and so do one of the Boston Celtics minority owners.

Colin Wright, Colin wrong on a Monday, and with that Matt Hasselbeck, 18 years, three pro polls stopping by our show. All right, you know, I said earlier, whenever your issues in college, I can see them in the pros. I'm a little concerned. So I thought the questions about Caleb Williams were Little Hero Ball. Um, accuracy could be a little dicey and moody. So when I see a video of him freaking out, I see temper, I see accuracy issues. I know I'm supposed to say it's, yeah, it's just camp. It's just thrown into a net.

But those are some of the things GMs told me they were concerned about. So it's like, oh, I'm seeing that now in the pros. Should I be a little concerned about that net video, Matt Hasselbeck? Well, it's year two, Colin. Listen, year one, rookie year, you chalk some of those things up to a rookie situation. Year two, you know, training camp, I think we make a little bit of like a huge deal at a certain thing. Sometimes things are fun, sometimes things are pouty. You don't know the whole story.

But in general, last year to this year, you've even heard Ben Johnson talk about it. Body language at the quarterback position matters. It matters to your opponent. And it matters maybe just as much to your teammates. And so the camera's always going to be on him. Like the microscope is always going to be on him. A lot of people made a lot of excuses for him last year. I think the excuses are out the window.

The focus is going to be on him. And, you know, like I've said many times, you know, your teammates get confidence or insecurity by how you carry yourself as a franchise quarterback. Yeah, no, you've been on that from day one. So I said this. There are coaches in the league, and you've probably had these. Maybe Mike Holmgren was one of these, where you get a great scheme. coach that he's a head coach, but if you put him on the headset, he'd call a great game.

And then there are coaches that Mike Tomlin's a culture builder. I would say Dan Campbell, Nick Seriani, they build cultures. There is nothing wrong with that. But they are more dependent on coordinators than say a Sean McVeigh or a Sean Peyton. Or again, maybe Holmgren was that. Andy reads a guy, it doesn't matter who his coordinator is offensively, they're fine. Detroit loses two coordinators, including Ben Johnson, who was kind of regarded as the hot coordinator in the market. I know it's the Hall of Fame game.

They were a mess. I mean, eight penalties, five turnover. They look disorganized. How do I not look at that and go, that's not great? I watched Philadelphia miss on coordinators and lose six or seven games off a Super Bowl year. Do I take anything off that abysmal Hall of Fame game performance? Well, you touch on a bunch of things there. Listen, culture is super important.

And just because you're a good play caller doesn't mean you're going to be a head coach. But I think what you're talking about is new coordinators, two new coordinators, and that's a lot of change. It's a bigger deal than people realize. In terms of the preseason game, listen, it's a big deal because, but it's not. It's a big deal because we've got to get those things fixed. But it's not a big deal because it just comes as a wake-up call right away, national TV, everyone knows about it. And then you come together as a staff. You know, last year, I think there were eight new head coaches.

Two of them made the playoffs. Some of those guys got the stuff figured out. You know, I was actually there for the Seahawks first preseason game. It's crazy. New head coach, new coordinators. It's crazy the things that you don't get to cover in a training camp situation until you get into a game situation. Where are we doing halftime adjustments?

Who's going first? Where are we going to stand on the sidelines? Who's on what headset? There's two lines on the headset. Are you on line A? Are you on line B? So some of those kinks got to get worked out. in the preseason that's kind of what the preseason is for but um but yeah i would say they got a

little bit exposed right there it doesn't mean they can't figure it out though okay um i said not all hold out for the same terry mcclorn is a third round pick has wildly outperformed his contract he's been a great guy he's been crazy productive until last year with bad quarterback play i would pay him tomorrow especially when you brought debo i'd pay him tomorrow Mika, first round pick, been a pro baller, been excellent, but that's why you picked him 12. He's got a year left in his contract. I don't think he's been underpaid.

I think he's been paid appropriately. On these two holdouts, do you see him as a former player as just the same thing? Or are there different? And I also think it's an offensive league. I'd be more prone to pay the offensive guy. How do you view McLorne and Micah's holdouts? Well, McLaren's tricky because he's so important, I think, to Jaden Daniel's success. I mean, Jaden Daniels was just incredible last year.

I'm such a huge fan. He was awesome. And Terry McLaurin is like everything that you're looking for with a veteran guy to put with a young guy. And I think they could have a lot of success, you know, in the near future. Like years one, two, three. Like we could be a contender every year. They are a contender.

They can compete with Philly. What's unique about Dallas, again, another great player. teammates love him. You know, he's exactly what you're looking for. Dallas, like, they're not going to win their division. I doubt they're even second place in their division. And now you've got a real public, it just feels different in Dallas. So I'm very curious.

You know, the Cowboys seen Jerry Jones seems to like be fine with this kind of conflict, fine with this kind of drama. But he also doesn't seem like the kind of owner that wants to get like pushed around publicly. So, you know, there's a part of me that says, hey, this is Michael Parsons, figure it out, close the door, include the agent. Then there's another part of me that says, hey, why don't you just punt on this year anyway? Go out and get like the most amazing draft package for next year. and really start focusing this team on next year

because I really don't know that you compete with Philly and that you can compete really with Washington and then the rest of the NFC. So, you know, this one's a little bit tricky for me, but the gloves have come off, unfortunately, publicly, so it's gotten a little ugly. So I was talking, I was golfing a couple days ago, and I was joking with somebody,

I said, whenever I hit the ball great on the range, I know I'm in trouble. And so it's like I never have any sense of how I'm going to hit going into a round, based on practice or the range. In the preseason, what is something in your 18, 19 years, Matt, that carried over?

Like if you did it well in preseason, it did carry over, and are there things that you thought you had mastered in preseason? And it meant nothing by the opening kickoff. Yeah, you're absolutely right, Colin. I think run game, you know, I look at the Baltimore Ravens. I think they're a great preseason team. Part of that is they're great at the run game.

that's a commitment that they have. They've got a great culture when it comes to that. They know how they do things. But, you know, to your point, there were teams that we would play in the preseason. I'll use the Chicago Bears when they were great with like Brian Erlacher and those guys. They're a zone team.

You know, it really didn't matter who the defensive coordinator was calling for. They were a zone team. But in the preseason, they would play so much man coverage because their scouts wanted to get a look at, hey, what kind of guys do we have in the secondary? Like, we're not going to call a lot of man coverage in the season, but we are on purpose doing something that puts our team at a disadvantage. We need to know who can play man occasionally when we want to bring a blitz and stuff like that.

So there's not a lot of scheming up, and there's not always calling what you're best at. Sometimes you're even setting up your week one opponent. But those are two examples of things that I think can be a little bit of fools gold if you're trying to evaluate what a team's going to be when you just watch them in the preseason. Oh, that's interesting. Finally, I want you to tell me the difference. I always feel that a quarterback under center, when he goes back, gets to watch the defense. When it's a shotgun, you have to watch the ball, and you lose that half a second of watching your safeties react.

So, Sean Payton would like Bow Nicks to be under center more than last year. you tell me is that something you can elevate to quickly is there or for a guy that you know maybe bow in oburn and oberton is taking he's taking the shotgun snaps tell me the transition how much that matters for a young quarterback like bo necks yeah it's a real thing and i trust sean peyton uh wholeheartedly i think bo nix can do a great job i think that's a team i would buy right now i mean i love that listen bill waltz joe montana they love to be under center almost never were they in shotgun i actually believe it was, I forget the years, maybe like, oh, five, maybe for us in Seattle, 2005, when we finally put the shotgun in. We got exposed, obviously, or ironically, against

the Chicago Bears, Erlock or Briggs in the A-Gap, and we had no choice but to go shotgun. But it is a huge advantage for the quarterback at the snap with your hands already on the ball, and then your eyes on the free safety. Your eyes on the free safety tell you so much. But just like you said, if you're in shotgun and your eyes have to go down to catch the ball first, you don't get that split second advantage of having your eyes on the secondary. Never mind the fact the run keys that you're not giving away when you're running back and shotgun is offset to the right or to the left. So Sean Payton knows what he's talking about and he sees an opportunity.

If he can get his young quarterback to get comfortable under center the way that he did with Drew Brees, then he thinks that his offense can even take a bigger step with run game, play action to the run, and then using their tight end, a guy like Evan Ingram, that could be huge for them this year. By the way, it does appear that you're on a coaching staff. The shirt looks very official. Are you the head coach or the offensive coordinator? Now, my younger brother is the head coach, which is an interesting dynamic.

I'm just the offensive coordinator. Today is picture day. they said they might wait for me for the team photo depending on when this hit with you is over. If not, they said it's 2025. They can just kind of like superimpose me in a picture. We used to do that when Paul Allen was the owner of the Seahawks. He would never come back from vacation or whatever.

We just would like superimpose him into the team photo. So I know it can be done. There's only one Matt Hasselbeck. Wait for the photo, guys. Great seeing you. See you, Colin. All right. No, it's

I think one of the things he said, which I've touched on, is that if you struggle, players take cues from the quarterback, his temperament, his body language. I used to be very critical of Jake Cutler. I thought he had horrible body language. You'd go stand by himself.

He'd sit there and he'd get moody. I'm like, bro, that's not it. You've got to be with the fellas. And there's another quarterback that does that currently in the NFL. he's an older guy playing in Pittsburgh. I'm just not a fan of that. I want you part of the group. So it's something.

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I'm just reading a story from a very respected reporter at the Athletic on the Pittsburgh Steelers Aaron Rogers can. It's getting a lot of hype. Latrobe, PA, another day, another dominant performance from the defense. Seven shots in the last practice, six to one defense. Aaron Rogers O. for three. Steelers ended practice. Another goal line drill.

Didn't go any better for the offense. And so he listed the reporter, the four problems with the offense. Stop me if you've heard these before from the New York Jets. Number one, they can't run the football. Jets were 31st last year, couldn't run the football. Apparently the Steelers in practice can't run the football. Number two, their vertical passing game in Pittsburgh's not in sync. So Aaron is dumping stuff off for short, quick passes.

That was the Jets last year. wide receiver two, not dependable. Oh, sort of like Alan Luzard, not living up to his contract in New York. Number four is the young offensive tackles are taking their lumps. The O line is unsteady. All the Steelers are, for Aaron Rogers, is a more organized jets. Defensive coach, defensive culture. Aaron doesn't trust the O line.

a lot of stuff is quick. You've got a number one receiver but can't really depend on a two despite draft capital and spending money on it. The Jets did too. Remember they drafted the old linemen from Penn State. They spent money on a right tackle

and yet their O line finished 17th. The Steelers keep drafting offensive linemen and spending money on it. It's not any good. So this idea that they're all in in Pittsburgh, go read this story by Mike DeFabo on the Steelers. It's just the jet.

It's like McDonald's and Burger King. McDonald's is just more buttoned up than Burger King. It's still fast food. Okay? You're not going to convince me it's anything more. It's good fast food. But my point is, we're dressing this up. Aaron, like a lot of older quarterbacks,

if he doesn't have a run game and he doesn't have a number two receiver and he doesn't trust the old line, he's not taking hits. he's not taking one for the team. Aaron's getting rid of that puppy. Matt Stafford's the only old guy at quarterback in this league that will stand in the pocket and get drilled over and over. And that's why Matt, in his late 30s, is going to fall apart.

So this story is, you know, it's the Jets. Number two receiver, doesn't trust the O line, can't run it. Defensive culture. Aaron's getting rid of the ball quickly. in practice, defense, dominates offense. Here's Mike DeFaibo. People are getting impatient. They want success, and they haven't had it.

And I just look at the fact that there have been, in the history of the NFL in the Super Bowl era, quarterbacks over 40 have wanted to combine 12 games in the playoffs. Tom Brady has 10. Every other quarterback has two combined. And here the Steelers are throwing their face behind, a soon-to-be-42-year-old Aaron Rogers to try to snap that skid. And this is why I said, I thought Aaron would retire and not go to Pittsburgh.

O-line issues, defensive culture, lost Naji Harris, and their left tackle. This story reads like it's the Jets, just a more organized version. And if you look at the Steelers' schedule, starting October 16th on, it's a lot of Lamar Jackson's and Joe Burroughs and Justin Herbert and Josh Allen's and that Detroit offense, that's schedule. They got some time early to make hay. But when you have a lot of new people and Aaron's not going to play in the preseason, it's reasonable to think the Steelers won't be great in September.

Well, they better be because October 16th on, they're facing Burrough and Lamar and Josh Allen and Justin Herbert facing a lot of good offenses. J. Mack with the news. No, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Let's go to the nation's capital, Colin, and talk about the Washington commanders in this Terry McLaurin situation. So last week, while I was on vacation and you were jet setting in the Northeast, Terry McLaurin requested a trade as contract negotiations have stalled.

Well, Dan Quinn spoke to the media this weekend about the McLauran situation. For Terry and, you know, the trade request, like, man, that's part of normal business that, you know, it's happening around the NFL. It's normal. We understand it. Sometimes those are the emotions and that's the human side of it, right? And knowing there can be emotions, that's the ones you attach to at that moment. And so for me, as the coach, give the support, you know, give the insights. do you want advice?

And so that's the way that you do it. But it is an emotional time. It's so damn important. And each player, it won't be quite the same in how that's happening. Well, I think we both like the Debo move. In fact, we had said before they acquired Debo, God, Debo would be the perfect chess piece for Kingsbury and Jayden Daniels. The downside to that is, as long as you take care of crazy productive,

Terry McCorn. Yeah, I mean, this one feels like, and I don't side with the players in all cases, this feels like you've got to take care of McLaren, because it also sends a message to the young players. You're going to pay the new guy and not the most dependable guy in the locker room for four straight years.

Yeah, I mean, Colin, we could go back 10, 15 years. Players hold out all the time. They want their contract. And eventually it gets done. You know, it might be right before the season. Dorel Rivas on my Jets. I'm sure you remember back in the day it was ugly. Oh my gosh, he's not, how to Gwen lose him?

It's fine, he's playing, he's an all bro. You know, Miles Garrett with the Browns. Remember, not that far long ago. I'm holding out, I demand a trade, and then he shows up and plays in as a monster. Like, I can't get too worked up about it, but it is news today, and he's not signed. Now, Kingsbury gets him with Debo and Jaden and Laramie Tunsel.

I don't see how Washington can't be in the mix to maybe go to the Super Bowl from the NFC. It just makes all the sense in the world. Let's go to another situation. Near the nation's capital, that's of Baltimore Ravens and Lamar Jackson. John Harbaugh spoke so highly of Lamar's passing, saying, are you ready for this? He is a historically good passer. He's as good of a passer as there's ever been, and the numbers are proving that.

Colin, our staff, Doug Deep, highest passer reigning in the NFL all time. Are you ready for this? Yeah. Aaron Rogers won, Patrick Mahomes, two. Lamar Jackson, three. All time. I don't see Tom Brady on there. I don't see Josh Allen. I don't see Joe Montana. Again, passer rating. I'm kidding. It's something. Russell Wilson's fifth. Tony Romo's up there. It's something. I've been on, I think I've been pretty consistent on this. I thought the questions about Lamar in the pocket were valid for two years. I don't think they're valid for the last three. I think he's a really good pocket quarterback. If Mark Andrews didn't have the worst game he's ever had as a college or a collegian or a pro, they went a playoff game. Well, wait, hold on. Just to be clear, Lamar was bad in the first half and dug them a hole.

Right? He had the – I think two turnovers in the first half. Just to be clear, Patrick Mahomes had eight bad games last year. Like, if you don't have – I mean, let's be honest. Burl was better than Mahomes last year. Lamar was better than Mahomes. Alan was better than Mahomes. Like, there was a lot of guys better than Mahomes last year.

Mahomes had Super Bowl. So it's like, who cares? He's got Super Bowls. You know, like, Lamar doesn't have one. Where is Lamar's signature playoff win? And again, I'm not bashing Lamar. He's obviously great, an all-time great. But where is the signature playoff win, Colin?

We're still waiting for. What if Lamar Jackson becomes Charles Barkley? I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Either do I. I have, I'm done defending Lamar. I watch the games. He looks... I mean, I don't know this for sure, but I bet it's true.

Last five years in the NFL. Has any team had more blowout wins than Baltimore? And what that shows is when Lamar solves your riddle defensively, he is the ultimate freight train playing downhill. The way to beat Lamar is generally you get ahead of him, you take out the running component, and he becomes strictly a pocket guy. Well, nobody's is.

Baker Mayfield's not as good if you know, throwing, it doesn't matter. But when he can play in a close game or play with a lead, he's a nightmare. That's why Baltimore, time and time again, just caves people, just rolls teams. Which is what reminds me of Prime James Hardin in Houston. He was unstoppable, leading the league in scoring, historically great offense, 60 plus wins, and then in the playoffs, he doesn't totally deliver. And I'll say this, just I know Ravens fans are probably upset at me for, you know, not saying Lamar's amazing. Colin, I was so loaded up on them against the Chiefs

in that playoff game at home. And I thought that was the worst offensive game plan I've ever seen in a high-leverage spot. They came out and were so ugly down, I think it was 14-0, nothing right out of the gate, at home. And I was just, I was like, I'm done betting Lamar in January against good teams. Colin, final story is the Colts and their quarterback battle.

Yes, we're calling it a battle. Daniel Jones versus, oh, come on. They wrote off-injured Anthony Richardson. How about this one? According to Adam Schaefter, Indy has listed QB1 on the unofficial depth chart as Daniel Jones or Anthony Richardson. So technically there's no number one yet. It is an actual battle, a showdown. Pennix Cousins is not a battle.

Pennix is the guy. Russell Wilson, Dart is not a battle yet. This is the only true quarterback battle between two. Cleveland has like three or four guys. Who knows? You want to take a gander on who gets the start? Well, I think Daniel Jones is better. Oh.

Better what? Better quarterback. What evidence is it about? Well, he won a playoff game. Anthony Richardson struggling to complete 56% of his passes. A winning a playoff game? Come on. It's something.

Mark Sanchez has won four playoff games. That's more than Lamar Jackson. What does that mean? No disrespect to Mark. I know he listens a lot. It's my guy. But to be real, like, I think you've got to go Anthony Richardson. Stiking, you were drafted to work.

Sorry, you guys drafted Richardson so you could work with him. Stikin crushed it with Jalen Hertz. Fix Anthony Richardson. Daniel Jones is not the answer. Yeah, but Jalen kept getting better. Anthony Richardson, Josh Allen, kept getting better. Can we give him the chance? He had like 15 college starts maybe or 14 years.

Those days are over. I don't want to hear about that. You went to camps. You went to seven-on-sevons. You were dominant. You got a lot of snaps. I don't want to hear about only so many stars. Then don't draft him.

I was thinking about this weekend, I was reading all the press clippings about teams. This whole thing about, a guy is young. I mean, he's younger. I don't care. Maybe at right tackle or slot, at quarterback, I don't care about it. I'm not going to draft you if you're that young. I mean, Lamar Jackson is still young. Who cares?

He was good his first year in the league. I don't care about your age or your starts. You need to be good now. It's quarterback. It's the NFL. It's not the CFL. It's not left tackle, which is also a valuable position. It's quarterback.

I don't care about your agent starts. Be good now. Oh, man. What have you been hanging out with Chris Ballard or something? Goodness gracious. How about this? The Ravens, I was right on that Lamar. The Ravens have the most wins by 14 or more points since 2019 when Lamar became a full-time starter.

Why is that? It's not just coaching. it's because when Lamar, when the game is close or Baltimore leads, he's virtually impossible. Tough to game. When you can force him, when you're down 14 points in the third quarter and you need big chunks of yards through the air, and they have like, Zay Flowers is their number one. It's a running back Lamar tight end offense. That's when he gets into trouble.

And a lot of that's because he's facing Sean McDermott and Spags, who are great defensive minds. So I don't hold the playoff stuff against Lamar as much as everybody else does. Wait, wait, hold on. Are you saying you value regular season blowouts over playoff games? I value in football everything. Obviously, January football is more crucial. But as I've always said with Lamar, if you win 76% of your starts, you're in a class of about 2% of quarterbacks all time.

Yeah, no, no. He's a old-time great coach. He won 55% of his games. So 76. When you're in a division with Joe Burrow, the Steelers, in the conference, the AFC right now, and Baltimore wins 76% of its games, the most blowout since Lamar's. I'm good with him. Okay, fine. But if I asked you, Colin, which quarterback in the NFL is under the most pressure this season? What's the answer? You got to think about this? If you say Caleb Williams, Here's the litmus test. If you told me,

Lamar Jackson, I'm a general manager, Lamar Jackson or blank, there's only two quarterbacks in this league, I'd take him over him, Josh Allen and Mahomes, he'd be third. What, Burrell? No, Burroughs had two injuries, one more, and I got to get another quarterback.

Okay, well. So I would take Josh Allen over him, I would take Mahomes over him, that's it. If this were a presidential debate, let the audience know you just deflected my question. It's called savvy politicking. And I love Burrell. But Joe's got two injuries. Joe's got, and we have to be fair about this stuff.

MCL, ACL, like, yeah. All right, J-Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. Yeah, the throwing wrist is shoe. I thought my producer was telling me to wrap up. He was giving me a sign for the throwing.

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the Lakers were the only veteran-driven team that actually played better. And that Laker team in that bubble was the number one team in the NBA. They would have home court advantage in the playoffs. They didn't get that in the bubble. So it was a huge disadvantage for the Lakers who would have been playing in front of a home crowd. They had to go play in Orlando, eat out of vending machines. It was a huge disadvantage for the Lakers. So I don't get that topic at all.

And I'm not a Laker home, right? I've been very critical of the organization, but they just signed Luca to a a new contract, three years, $165 million. He's in incredible shape. I think he's going to have a massive year. But this is the one thing the Lakers do well. So, Lucas 26. He's got an eight-year runway,

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And AD was a two, best defensive player, in my opinion, in the league last year. He was a two to LeBron. Now LeBron's going to be the two to Luca. And I say that because last year, Luca was not in good shape. He was puffy. He was injured in camp to begin with with Dallas pre-trade. I think Luca's going to have his best year as a pro. I think Luca's going to average about 31 a game.

I think he's in impeccable shape. and I think you're going to see a real separation on most nights with Luca and LeBron. I think Luca is going to play like the best player in the league next year. And it's because the new owners. The two best years, if you go look at when Luca, in my opinion, was in the best shape, when he broke into the league, he had something to prove, first year, year and a half, and now with the new Laker owners. So hats off to the Lakers.

And there have been teams like, you know, we've talked. about this before. The Chargers always get quarterback right. I mean, you can go back to it's Dan Fouts, it's Drew Brees, it's Philip Rivers, it's Justin Herbert. There are, Kansas City has done quarterbacks right. There are organizations that do certain positions right.

But, I mean, the Lakers and their star, they just figured out. And a lot of the times, you know, it's hard to believe they got Colby and the Vladay Divots trade or they got Luca on the AD trade. A lot of the times it feels like they're stealing players. Paugas

I still remember sitting on an airplane. I think it was Alaska Airlines window seat. I can remember getting a call from a friend saying, the Lakers just got Powell Gassal. I'm like, what did they give up? And it was some corkscrews, peanut brittle, and I'm like, what? That doesn't even make sense.

So here's Luke on his extension with the Lakers. It's an honor, you know, playing for this organization. Many, many great players played here. Obviously, I want to add one more up there. So that's what we're working for. Like I say, you know, Baylor Lakers an honor and I wanted to be here. So obviously when you look up here, so many great names and what they achieved, you know, I want to be up there too once in one day.

By the way, look at Luca last year playing if we show the video. And look at Luca there in that suit. I mean, you talk about transforming your body. I mean, he was puffy last year. That's being kind. He was puffy. And, I mean, he's big. He is wide and big.

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Look at those pictures. He looks unbelievable. Are you a fattest? What was that comment? He has not lost that much weight, but he does look kind of shredded. Like he's on the J. Mack workout plan. Does he not? No, no, dude.

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