The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - Who won the trade?

Episode Date: February 4, 2025

Former NBA star Eddie House joins The Herd to talk to JMac about the huge Lakers-Mavericks trade and why he feels Dallas won the trade Why the Mavericks most likely traded Luka Doncic to the Lakers  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And then I went to, I'm going to do this guy. Sorry. I went to my men's basketball, men's league game last night. And a couple of the opponents were like, dude, great job filling in for Coward. That must have been so tough. And I'm looking at him like, oh, damn, these guys are watching me or listening? I got to show up. And I had a pretty awesome game last night. It's over 35 leagues. So come on, anybody can get buckets. But I did have seven threes. Just like our next guest coming up in a few minutes.

Eddie House, who I think at 61 and in either a college or NBA game, he could get buckets. But you guys know I love hoops. I was trying to show out for Paul Pierce, who's on a show later today. He's starting a pickup game out here in L.A. And yes, I'm trying to crowbar my way into that bad boy because I love hoops. And last night, one of the producers said, hey, what about a lot? a top 10 duo list in the NBA for tomorrow. I was like, oh, hell yes. I banged that bad boy out quickly. And then I forgot a couple of people. So we had to readjust the list. So here we go.

We'll go Eddie House in like five minutes. But first, the top 10 duos of the NBA today as of right now. Now listen, some people got left out and don't be upset. There's a lot of movement in the league. I know one pairing people are going to be ticked off about. But let's get started. Number 10, top 10 duos in the league. I'm going with Wembenyama and Deeran Fox. Sight unseen. We haven't even seen them once together. Listen, if you have any NBA list right now,

you must have Wambi Nama. He's a transformative player. He's a unicorn. He's a plastic man, whatever you want to call him. He's awesome. He's shooting one-legged threes. Did you guys see that? So now you pair him with a great point guard like Deeran Fox.

How do you stop that pick and roll? Now, it's weird. I'm a big Deeran Fox guy, but there is like a negative connotation around his name. You think he's awesome. He's averaging, what, 24 and 25 points per game for the last five years? And then you look up and you're like, oh, he hasn't won a playoff series?

All NBA once? How good is Aaron Fox? I think we're about to find out because he's going to play with Lombin Yama. So that's number 10. Number nine, Donovan Mitchell and Evan Mobley. I don't think that's going to roll off the tongue of everybody when you guys watch this list. But they are right now number one in the east with a bullet. And the only reason they're not higher is because I had some pushback in my own head when I was like,

so who's Donovan Mitchell's wingman? Is it Darius Garland? Who's having a fantastic season? Is it Jared Allen? I went with Mowgli because he is on the come up. Man, this kid looks good. They finally unlocked playing Mowgli next to Allen. Mowgli's developed something of a three-point shot.

The calves are a real threat. I don't get the whiff that this is like smoke and mirrors. This is a hungry team. Donovan Mitchell's a stud. I think Mowbly and Mitchell are the ninth best duo in the NBA. All right, let's get to number eight. Another one's sight unseen. Kyrie and AD.

Now, this is a tricky one because, you know, both of them are getting up there in age. Both are great proven number twos, right? AD was the number two. Second best player to LeBron for many years in L.A. They won a title. Kyrie, not a great one, as we saw in Boston and wherever he was. after a Brooklyn. He was like the guy who got that team. It's not a one.

Now you put him next to Luca. Ooh, Kyrie, different player. He's under control. And now you wonder who's the alpha in that locker room. I think that's the big question for Dallas. Because, again, I'm not bashing Kyrie, but history says he ain't an alpha. Can AD

be that guy? Is he extra motivated because the Lakers shipped him? I think they're going to be a great dual work together. That pick and roll is going to be fierce. So Kyrie and AD number eight. Number seven, bit of a surprise entrant here. John Morant and Jared Jackson, Jr., Memphis Grizzlies, they're up to number two in the West, and Jared Jackson's having a ridiculously good year. 23 points a game. He's been out of this world. We know John Morant now under control, cleaned up his off-the-court stuff. He's been tremendous. I mean, you look at this pairing.

John Morant, one of 10 players in the league averaging 20 and 7 this season. I know, people that, oh, what if they won? Listen, they've had some playoff experience. I would not be shocked if the Grizzlies were in the conference finals. They look very, very good. All right, let's get to number six. I wanted to make a case for them higher. They're my guys. Brunson and Kat in New York. It's only been half a season really working together, but Kat seems in a great spot because there's no pressure on him whatsoever. They've got a great team where Josh Hart does all the dirty work. Gosh, I love Josh Hart.

McHale Bridges, really a three-and-d-d guy. And then Kat just slides it, and they're not asking too much from him. It's like, play a little bit of defense. You don't have to be a rim protector. Just, like, try on defense. Kat historically has not been a great defender. And now you get a lot of open threes because Jalen Brunson is the man. I like this duo a lot.

I wanted to make them higher than six. It's just tough when you see these top five. Let's get to number five. Top duos in the NBA. A lot of pushback from one of the guys. guys, SGA and Chet. Now, I know J. Dub, some people are like, how can you not put J. Dub on there?

Guys, he's a nice player, but Chet Holgren is clearly the guy if they're going to go to the finals. Here's SGA dropping somebody on the bucks last night. I mean, SGA, he's really, really good. I know, I call him a free throw merchant, and it pisses off all these Thunder fans.

Well, I should say, not all these Thunder fans. Like the 17 Thunder fans there are. They hate when I say that. SGA is really, really good. I still have some reservations about OKC in the playoffs. We'll see. But I like Chet Homegram more than a lot of people. We're just seeing a little of him because of the injury.

I expect big things from Chet and OKC this year. All right. Let's get to number four. This one you guys are going to hate because they have not worked well. Janus and Dame. It's been about a calendar year. It's not really working. So why the hell are they four?

Well, because Janus is unbelievable. I mean, it's almost like Yokic is so good. Lucas so good SGA's on the come up we're forgetting Janice is automatic folks the numbers for Janice this is the highest scoring duo

in the NBA at 56 points per game the chemistry Doc Rivers all that stuff's not there yet but man if they keep Janus and yes if you miss a segment earlier last hour I would not be shocked if something you know Janus becomes available

somehow but right now this is a deadly duo I don't know about the bucks in the postseason if that makes any sense Janus and Dame number four. Now, I know we haven't hit on a certain pairing yet, and you guys are, where are they? Where are they? Here they are.

Jalen, Brown, and Jason Tatum. Now, this is a Boston team that's stacked. Porzingis, right? You got Drew Holiday. I mean, Derek White. This team is just so loaded in Boston. But for me, Tatum, you guys know, I've got a big, big Jason Tatum man crush. I would get my MVP voted for it.

Today, I know everybody say SGA or Yom. I just think Tatum's been unbelievable. He's an excellent basketball player. Jalen Brown. I know it's a little LeBron Wade-ish and they duplicate each other, but I've got them as the third best duo. Number two, this one should be obvious. They've done a lot together. Yokic and Murray, it is a really formidable duo, especially in the playoffs.

Yokic, the Doe European, is just still unstoppable. And Jamal Murray, Jamal Playoff Murray is a thing. I know he's still never been. an NBA All-Star. Has it, I'm sorry, hasn't played in an all-star game. Murray's just an excellent player can create his own shot.

Clutch, as Lakers fans very much know. Jamal Murray and Yokic, without a doubt, to me, the second best duo in the league. And here we go. Number one with a bullet, LeBron and Luca. Yeah, oh, you know it.

You cannot wait. The best player in the NBA for me, Luca Donchich, and LeBron, the ageless wonder at 40. I don't think people realize. He put up a triple double in MSG against the formidable Knicks, and he didn't have AD.

I mean, look at the guy. He's flying through the lane. LeBron is still the man. Wait till Luca comes back from this calf strain. I've got Luca and LeBron number one. Now, Hardin and Kauai got bumped, okay? Because, you know, we don't know if Kauai's going to show up next week. They're playing great right now, but we don't know what's up with Kauai.

And I know people are going to be upset about KD and Booker. I'll take it up with the Sun's fans. later. But now we got my main man, Eddie House, joining the show. Eddie House, one of the real good shooters from his era, basketball analyst for Fox Sports Radio. Eddie, how we doing, my man? I'm doing good. How are you feeling, man? I'm excellent. There's a lot to talk about, Eddie. And your Celtics sitting pretty. They're doing great. Second in the east. They're fine. But what just happened over the weekend with Luca traded for AD? I need to know, where you were when this went down and your immediate reaction?

My immediate reaction was at first I thought, like, I was thinking like, Dallas won this trade. I thought Dallas won the trade, you know, because they were getting somebody that they're making a push right now. I don't think that the Lakers roster is constructed to make a push for the conference finals. I don't think that that's how that roster is constructed. So many defensive deficiencies, so many holes on the defensive side of the ball. ball and the one place that you could plug those holes was on the front line with AD blocking shots and being there rebound in the basketball. Now they're going to have an issue with that. You know,

you're going to be leaning on Jackson Hayes, but then you also got Austin Reeves who doesn't really play great defense. You got Luca, we all know, documented that he doesn't play great defense, and LeBron's defense has been declining, even though he has put possessions together, but for the most part, it's been declining. So I looked at it and I was like, well, Dallas won because they got AD for three more years. And then on top of the three years, you know, you got Kyrie over there. They got two big men that are solid. Lively is going to be coming back.

And then also on top of that, AD is going to be happy because he's going to be able to play the four. So I looked at it in the short term. And then when I started rethinking about it, in the long term, I think the Lakers won as well. You know, so in short term, Dallas, long term Lakers, because they can replace LeBron James with Luca Dachitz, which they always have a superstar. They've never been a team without a superstar. I don't know how long it's been that they haven't had somebody over there that was a star player.

So I think both of the teams, one, it's just about what side of the fence that you want on the winning side because Luca could be there for 10 years that they don't win a championship. Did they win that trade? If AD and Kyrie is able to go to the conference finals, I would think that you would look at it and say, okay, they kind of won that trade.

and if they're able to attract some free agents over there and try to do something again next year. So that's where I'm at with it. Don't get me too worked up, Eddie. First of all, over under one and a half titles for Luca with the Lakers. I'm going under. Oh, my gosh. Celtics fan says under. Okay, fair enough.

Let me just quickly ask you on Dallas. What's your concern level with Kyrie Irving now going back into the role as the number one guy? We saw him in Boston, did not want to work with the young kids. We saw him in Brooklyn bringing KD there, did not work at all. Total disaster. Now he cleaned up his act a little bit in Dallas, but that was as a clear number two to Luca. Now you look around the Dallas Huddle, who's the leader on that team? And if it's Kyrie, listen, we've seen him as the number one.

It has not gone well historically. Can I ask you a question? Please. Right now, where are you at? Are you the number one? You're in the driver's seat right now, right? Because Colin's not there. Right?

But then any other time, you're the number two, right? And it's all about growth, right? And what we can say is that we have seen Kyrie grow over these years. And we can look back and say, man, damn, you know, he messed up the time in Boston. Boston's fans really don't like it because of what he did over there. Brooklyn, they feel the same way. But in Dallas, I feel like the Dallas fans love what he. he's doing. You know, he went to NBA

finals with him. I don't think the Cleveland fans hate Kyrie. I think it's just a couple spots that he had, a couple blips in the map to where you're on the radar, excuse me, where you look at it, he's like, okay, man, he could have been, he could have handled it better, but he was young. And I think he's matured, you know what I'm saying?

And when you have kids, you know this Jay Mack, when you have kids, you mature in a different way. You go from just thinking about yourself to also thinking about like, okay, I got to make sure I'm good, so they're good. That's the main thing. And I think that he's learned from that. So I'm not worried. I think they have a good, I think their roster right now constructed is better than the roster in L.A.

to make a run into playoffs. I don't totally disagree with that. Here's my thing. The Mabs are actually built, Eddie, to really play against OKC well and against Denver. This Max Christie, he's not getting talked about. But since he went into the starting lineup, the Lakers were 15 and 8. I'm not saying he's a lockdown defender, but he's long, he's twitchy. I think he could capably defend SGA and you've got the bigs. We know OKC's weakness are the bigs.

If Dallas is healthy, I think you're probably right. In the postseason, they can make a run. That's all I'm trying to say. So at the end, what are we playing for? We plan to get to the playoffs. Ed, I have a little conspiracy theory. Okay? Here we go. Just think about this.

All right, so AD waived his 8% a trade kicker. You know, about $6 million. Okay. Cool. Him and Rich Paul, they're all clutch sports,

LeBron clutch sports. Maybe they know something that maybe they tipped it to the organization to where, hey, we got to start trying to figure out

who's going to replace LeBron. LeBron might not be there. Here's my conspiracy theory. LeBron possibly ends up in Dallas next year. So, ooh, that's kind of spicy. because he is still tight with Kyrie.

They've talked about being partners. Oh. See, that's good stuff, Eddie. You got me there. I haven't heard anybody say that. Once the trade happened, I started thinking like, ooh, this could be a move for him to slide over there. He plays.

Think about they still have Clay Thompson over there. They'll have Kyrie over there. They'll have Anthony Davis. LeBron doesn't need the money so he could play on a, he's not going to get short change now, but he's not going to get a max deal or anything like that. and they had the money to give a max deal to Luca Donchitz. Now they look like, oh, we could give LeBron.

Oh, okay. So now they can put something together, and then you can piece the ancillary players around that core of players right there. And they make a run for one or two years because that's probably all that's going to be really left for that type of run. But that was just something that I came up with in my head. I was like, man, that's kind of. So would Brunney go weird?

He didn't get that trade kicker. Yeah. So does he bring his son with him to Dallas? I don't know about all that. Well, I mean, if LeBron's gone, I don't know if Bronny's still on the roster. Crazy stat from our team here. Dalton Connect is 24. Lucas 25.

Like, that to me is kind of mind-blowing stuff. Like, that's how young Luca is and totally dominant. I am curious with you. You said the Lakers always magically end up with superstars. And you're not wrong. Magic, Jabar, Shaq, Cach, Kobe, on. down the list. Are you one of these guys who thinks maybe the league likes that?

You know, wait, we got Los Angeles. We need a good team. The team in New York is finally good. Chicago's been down for two decades. We need, like, unlike the NFL, the NBA needs the big markets to have good teams. Are you alluding to something there? No, I'm not saying that because think about it, OKC's not a big market. They got a damn good team and they got a superstar over there at Shagio, just Alexander.

I'm Kay Cunningham, Detroit is not a huge market, but they got a solid team over there and a damn good player in Kay Cunningham. But the Lakers, it's just the Lakers, it's the way that the Lakers operate business. They constantly have, I mean, come on, you're in Hollywood, you know, you're in L.A., you're in Tenseltown. You have to have stars because that brings stars to the game. That brings people to the game. Think about this. and you say L.A., well, damn, ain't the Clippers? Ain't the clippers in L.A.?

It ain't the same. It ain't the same. You have to have stars when you're with the Lakers. It's just a way that it's been since I can remember. So there's some stories starting to emerge that in the Dallas locker room, that Luca, despite being well-liked, the front office didn't like him, maybe because of his work habits, his diet habits. I'm just curious, did you ever in your time in Boston or anywhere else?

Miami, wherever. Did you experience, like, just seeing front office being unhappy with guys like out of shape or not being in condition that were stars and the front office, like, being really ticked off at them? No, because most of the guys I play with pretty much all of the star, superstar players I play with, held everybody else accountable by what they did, how they came in. And it never happened in Miami because you got weight and body fat check every week. You know, whether it was Monday, Tuesday, when every single week, you got weight. in body fat, you had to be a certain weight than body fat.

If you weren't, then you were doing extra running, you were doing extra things that you had to do to make sure you got to that weight and that body percent, body fat percentage. But as far as like, that's the thing, I think, if you allow your superstar player and I think that upper management, I don't think that it's, I think it's the owners,

the new ownership is like, hey, we're not gonna allow this to happen. Because the thing about is, you can't have your star player come in out of shape. Everybody else is in shape, and you don't hold him accountable. That kind of fractures the locker room.

But when you have a superstar player, like a Kevin Garnett, that comes in, and when you walk into the gym, right, practices in about an hour, you get there an hour before. He's already on the court in the full-fledged sweat. It makes you start kicking in like, oh, I've got to get here a little earlier,

so I can put in this work. Well, if Luke is coming in, and I don't know this for a fact. I don't know at all, but if he's coming in out of shape, I know that he's been coming in out of shape, that's documented. But if he comes in with 12 minutes left before practice is starting, then, I mean, you know, that sets a different type of standard. Like, what kind of leadership are you having?

What kind of leadership are you out there presenting? And how can you be the leader? We know that you're really good on the court, but it's other things that you have to do to set precedent for the rest of the team. Yeah. All right, let me last one on the Lakers. Do you think they're done making moves because there's a lot of speculation. Hey, we don't need Austin Reeves.

We've got enough ball handlers who don't really defend. We need a center. We got to go get a rim protector, a Nick Claxton, a Miles Turner, and they package the pick they have left, Reeves, Rui, whatever the package is, to go get somebody. You think they get a room protector? I don't think they're done, Dylan. They definitely have to go get somebody that's a rim protector

because they have so many holes on the table. the defense. You know, Lucas not going to play great defense. Austin Reed's not going to play great defense. And also, excuse me, LeBron is up and down with his defense, possession to possession sometime. You quarter to quarter, half to half. But what I believe is that they're going to go out there trying to find somebody. And like you said, if it's a Knicks Claxton or Miles Turner, I really think Miles Turner would be a good fit for him because he can kind of stretch the floor a little bit. and he can protect the rim.

He rebounds the basketball. He's a younger guy. Nick Schlaxson is a younger guy, too. But if they do that, does that move the needle? And to me, that doesn't move the needle. That doesn't make them all of a sudden be like, oh, yeah, they're contenders. They're going to have to make another big-time deal

for a big-time player. No disrespect to those guys that I'm talking about because they all can hoop. You know what I'm not disrespecting nobody in the league like that. But they're going to have to get somebody that could do what at the end. Davis does, and that's 27 and 12, and maybe you get a couple guys that are able to put that together to make it work. But what I'm looking at right now, they rostered it. That ain't it.

Yeah. Let me ask, Jim, you spent time in Miami. What the hell is Jimmy Butler's problem? Like, he was such a good soldier, got them to two finals. It's all falling apart. He's getting suspended. He doesn't want to go to Golden State. He only wants to go to Phoenix. I love Jimmy Butler. I don't know what's happening, man. How do you think this ends? it's not going to end good for him as that's how I'm feeling. Knowing Pat Riley and knowing the business of basketball, when you start, and you know, Pat Riley is the godfather. So people are going to lend their ear more to him

than they will listen to Jimmy Butler's aging, okay, or what's going on. And the one thing I can't say is that this has kind of been a pattern with Jimmy. You know, and every place that he's been to, he has usually left disgruntled and upset. He got upset as something. But I think the main thing is that when Pat said he didn't want to trade him, it wasn't the fact that he was trying to tell him you can't go nowhere. I think it was like, no, we want you here.

We're not going to trade you because we want you here. We signed you. You got another deal. I want to say it's $51 or $53 million for next year that he could opt into. Okay, we didn't give you an extension because we don't see it. And okay, and that's fine. But they gave you a great deal. You're about to play for $50 million.

I'm not counting nobody pockets, looking at nobody pockets or count nobody money. But what I'm saying is that you have an obligation when you are under contract. And I don't know if you watched any of the heat games when he came back from suspension. He took a one-legged three-point shot from the corner that he never takes ever. You've never seen Jimmy Butler ever take a shot like that. Then he threw the ball on an entry pass straight out of bounds. And then he did have lackluster effort getting back on defense. So now it's showing me

You don't really want to be here And you're a detriment To what we're trying to do The culture that we have So I don't think that he helped himself You know, in the way that he handled this Can Jimmy Buller still help a team? Yes, he can.

So we'll wrap up with this Eddie So Luca got traded And Anthony Edwards was like, man, I'm scared Nobody's safe If Luca can get traded Maybe I'm next Obviously we don't think Anthony Edwards are getting traded

But I floated two names. Let's start with Kevin Durant in Phoenix. The sons are like 10th in the West. Jimmy Butler wants to be there. You can't trade Beal. Maybe Kevin Durant gets shipped. And the other one, and I've been on this for a while. You know I'm a Steph Curry guy.

They're 11th in the West. They can't pull off a trade for anybody. At some point do the Warriors say, we got to reboot and trade Steph Curry so we can at least maximize his final years. I mean, Eddie, you saw him at the Olympics. He was dominant. And now he's on the 11th place team in the West. The league can't have that.

Yeah, you can't trade Steph Curry, man. That's a guy. I feel that he should, he's one of those guys should be a lifer with that team. From where he came from to where they were at when he got there, to where he put them, and where they're at right now and his status as a basketball player. And not only a basketball player, but a pillar of the community as well. does a lot of work out there in the Bay Area, whether it be in Oakland, whether it be in San Francisco or anywhere else in the Bay Area. He does a lot of work, a philanthropist's work, and to me, you can't trade him.

And for Jimmy Butler, no. And if you try to get Jimmy Butler, now think about what you have on your team. You've got two guys. You have a Draymond Green that, you know, can be unstable at times and does great for the team. He's perfect for what they try to do. then you got Jimmy Butler who could be, you know, a wild part at times as well. So I don't think Steph plays well with that. I think Steph just love to go out and play hoop.

And when it's all the other distractions like that's going on right now, I think that that's where it kind of does bother him. And I know Steph is getting a little older, but no, he has to be a Golden State Warrior for life. All right, Eddie House. Unless he doesn't want to be. Well, that's the question. Is there a way to politically pull that off? We'll see.

All right, Eddie House, great stuff. Keep up the good work. And, you know, hope everything's well with your kids who are awesome basketball players. Appreciate it, man. Take care. All right. Coming up next here on The Herd, how big of an impact is the Luca signing for L.A.? Wait until you hear what Rob Polinka said just now at the Luca Presser.

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Cream a chicken suit. This is Help from a Hypocrite, the worst advice from the dumbest people you know. Listen to Help from Hypocrite as part of the Mike Coutura podcast network available on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. The story I've told myself about love or relationships can then shape my behavior, and that can lead me to sabotage the possibility of connection. This Mental Health Awareness Month, tune into the podcast deeply well with Debbie Brown and explore the journey of healing, self-discovery, and returning to yourself. We explore higher consciousness, emotional well-being, and the practices that help you find

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you get your podcast. Back here on the herd, good stuff from Eddie House, former NBA Gunner, Celtics, Heat. And, you know, we know that Luca and Rob Polinka of the Lakers met with the media this morning. And Rob Polinka showed up, dressed up like he's in Hollywood, which he is, technically. And if you listen closely, you remember when I mentioned Otani earlier in the show, The parallels between Otani and Asia and the Dodgers and money. And now you've got Luca and Europe and the Lakers and money. Here's Luca.

Let's start with Rob Polinka. Rob Polinka on the impact of Luca coming to L.A. Listen closely to the verbiage. Luca Donchich joining forces with the Los Angeles Lakers is a seismic event. NBA history. And the reason I say that is because we have a 25-year-old global superstar that's going to get on the stage of the most popular and influential basketball brand on the globe. And I think when those two powerful forces come together, it brings basketball joy to the world. globe, world, international, all the right buzzwords.

I know it's popular. Hey, let's bash the NBA. Ratings are down. You know, I don't know. You guys remember Colin did a rant on the ratings and then, you know, two weeks later, Adam Silver's on the show. Like, I just think it's such an overblown story about down NBA ratings. Like, who cares?

They signed a billion dollar deal. Why do you, Joe Bob? on Twitter, why do you care about NBA ratings? You shouldn't. Players don't. They got their money. The league got their billions. Maybe, you know, TNT and ESPN should care. But do they?

I don't know. But the point is, why do you care about the ratings? And the big thing that the NBA has going for it is the global audience. Everywhere in the world, people love basketball. Anybody can play basketball around the world. Like, you know, you go on a trip to, uh, I don't know. Let's pick a Tokyo, you know. You walk by a playground and there's people play and pick up basketball. If you've got your sneakers, you just lace them up, hey, who's

got next? Let me get in. Pick up basketball everywhere. It's just a thing. People love basketball. It's easy. You just need sneakers and a ball and hoops are everywhere. Like the popularity among basketball globally is massive. And I know the influx of, you know, European players to the league has kind of hurt the domestic product as the domestic players and we've been over this. You know, I don't know, I hosted, I think it was last summer, and we had Chris Bussard on, and we kind of went back and forth about this,

and it's like, listen, AAU basketball, as lucrative as it has been, capitalism, America, it has hurt the product. You get these guys coming in now, they can't shoot, they can't play in a system, they pout when they're not getting playing time, they pout if they're losing, they want to play with their friends.

Ultimately, AAU has kind of mucked some things up, but a lot of people are profiting off of AAU basketball, which is fine. That's capitalism. But the league has to figure out a way to make these domestic stars matter because, let's be real. Zion Williamson, I mean, it's been a bust. You know, he's eating his way out of the league. He's hurt all the time.

John Morant can't stay straight off the court. Guys doing stupid things getting in trouble. Like, these were supposed to be the next domestic stars as Curry and Kady and LeBron age into retirement. and you look around and it's like maybe it's Anthony Edwards. Maybe he's got next. And the wolves have kind of pulled back and just a weird small thing. But I love Anthony Edwards.

But every interview he gives after games now, he's saying curse words. And I know who cares is just a bad word. But like the guys who are buying stuff for these kids are these kids. They're buying the sneakers. They're buying the merch. They're the ones wearing the jerseys. They're on TikTok following all these players. And you just curse it.

Like the domestic U.S. guys got to clean it up. sure you've got a one-off like a Devin Booker who not only is like a big deal on social media, but then he's dating Kendall Jenner and he's a good player. So like, but he's kind of quiet. You know, he's not one of these out there, LeBron, larger than life figures. So you've got all these European guys coming in. It's Luca. It's Janice.

It's Yokic. And they're great players. They don't want to be the face of the league. So domestically, we've got to clean up our act. And listening to what Polinka was saying, is he's like, guys, we've got American fans, that's fine. We don't care if we have a smaller audience than college football or anything. We don't care about that.

We're building globally. We're looking big picture. And Luca, you know, to his point, I don't know that he cares where he is, but here he is on his excitement of becoming a Laker. I'm just excited, you know, to be here to start this new journey. And obviously, at some point I knew this was going to happen, but I would say I always take. the high road. You know, I had my amazing moments in Dallas with all my teammates, coaches,

and the most importantly, the fans, you know, always supported me. And it was an amazing journey. I know we talked about it last hour, but I love that. Listen, Luca could have unloaded on those guys. You guys know how hard it is to bite your tongue when you get screwed? I mean, it's so, it would have been so easy for Luca to unload on your guys. Nico Harrison and Michael Finley, just to totally trash them up and down. For a 25-year-old, do you guys know how dumb we are at 25 years old? Like, we just say and do dumb things. We're guys, we're men.

That's what we do. And Luca just, he was a total consummate pro right there. He could have unloaded on those guys. And I would have laughed. We all would have loved it. But he was subtle. He didn't come out and totally trash him. But he kept it real.

Hey, I knew this was going to happen. It's very clear from Luca's comments. He was cool with the players. He loved the fans. He loved Jason Kidd and the coaches. The front office kind of sort of did him dirty. And this isn't just like shipping him out. Luckily, they didn't send him to Siberia.

He gets to go to L.A. You know, I know the taxes out here are brutal. Oh, no, the taxes in L.A. versus Texas. Oh, my gosh. Guys, the Supermax would have paid him an extra $15 million. Even if you want to remove the taxes, Okay, he just, the Mabbs just cost him, what, $80 million, $70 million, whatever the number is? Like, he's got a right to be ticked off.

And I hope, and we talked about this was Rachel Nichols yesterday, I hope that Lucas says, man, Atlanta Hawks, they could have had me in the draft, they traded me. The Sacramento Kings chose Marvin Bagley over me. And then Dallas, where I was drafted, I thought I spent my whole career there. They traded me. That's three teams bailing on me or saying no to me, and I haven't even turned 26 years old. Yet, the numbers say I'm one of the great players already in NBA history. And again, go look it up.

His numbers at this age dwarf what Michael Jordan has done all around, rebounds, this is everything, okay? Totally dominant what Luke has done early in his career, and three teams have passed on him. If this isn't motivation, along with playing next to LeBron James, who is like Mr. Fitness. And I think I've told you guys this. I go to a gym out here in L.A.

And, you know, I see this big 6-5 guy playing basketball. I'm like, oh, geez, who the hell is that guy? He looks amazing. And they're like, oh, he's LeBron's body double. He does all the, he's at every commercial and all these movies. LeBron has a body double, and that's him. So, of course, I become friendly with this guy. And he starts telling me about LeBron.

He's like, he's the nicest guy ever. And, oh, by the way, yeah, LeBron, he doesn't put. and he doesn't eat any food unless it's cleared by his nutrition. He's got like a team around him. He gets massages all the time. He keeps his body in tip-top shape. He's not out there eating a rack of ribs. You know, LeBron has his act together.

And now Luca's next to him? Folks, I know people are like, oh, under one and a half titles. I'm just saying, Luca and the Lakers, sky's the limit. All right, coming up next, two huge NFL stars are in the trade market. I'll tell you why and where I think they'll land next year on the Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeart Radio app. Hey, it's Steve Kavino.

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Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend.

But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about. what we should call it. We were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers.

This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys.

Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast. or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier.

This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigley. Michael and friends on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The story I've told myself about love or relationships can then shake my behavior,

and that can lead me to sabotage the possibility of connection. This Mental Health Awareness Month, tune into the podcast deeply well with Debbie Brown and explore the journey of healing, self-discovery, and returning to yourself. We explore higher consciousness, emotional well-being. and the practices that help you find clarity, peace, and self-mastery in a world that can feel overwhelming. The world is becoming lonelier. We're not becoming more social and connected.

We're becoming more individualized, but we actually meet people in connection. If you've been searching for a soft place to land while doing the work to become whole, this podcast is for you to hear more. Listen to deeply well with Debbie Brown from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hey, I'm Jared Adano. You might know me as that loud guy who yells out, help on the internet. Help!

Somebody! Please! But there's so much more to me than me. I'm an actor. I'm a comedian. And recently, I've become quite the helper myself. And on my new podcast, Hope from a Hippocrite, I'll be changing lives, helping people in need with my sage advice and thoughtful solutions.

Sike! I'm a comedian. I'm not qualified to give good advice. Join me and my comedian friends as we riff, rant, and recommend some of the most legally dubious advice known to man. If I'm calling you, even if you're on your phone, let it ring twice. One ring is too scary. Oh, cream of chicken suit.

Hey, cream. Cream a chicken suit. This is Help from a Hypocrite, the worst advice from the dumbest people you know. Listen to Help from a Hypocrite as part of the Mike Pulura Podcast Network available on the I-HartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This week, we are headed to New Orleans. The herd and the entire FS1 lineup

will be live from Bourbon Street on Thursday and Friday as we get ready for Super Bowl 59. Friday, we have a Super Bowl special at 4 Eastern on Fox. We'll be joined by special guests all week counting down to the big game. Very exciting. Colin promises he will be back.

He did text me during the show. there were some expletives. No, there were not. He doesn't, he's not like that. I am. He's not. By the way, I know some of you are disappointed. No Nick Wright today. He usually comes on on Tuesday. And I know you were fired up. Oh, shucks. Nick, combative Nick Wright against argumentative Jason McIntyre. That was like a showdown for the ages. And Nick had a commitment so he couldn't make it. But I don't know. I'm sure we'll chop it up. He is Mr. Chiefs. And I'm Mr. Public Enemy number one with Chiefs fans, which I don't mind. I embrace that role. I don't mind being that guy.

All right. So we had on Albert Breer earlier talking about obviously the Super Bowl. He's down in New Orleans. By the way, if you were watching on FS1, there was all these people randomly walking by Breer during the interview. I find that stuff funny because you can see all of them kind of side eye to see what's going on. I just, I don't know. That's just me. I find that stuff funny.

Anyway, so Breer was talking about the Super Bowl and we got into this Miles Garrett trade request. Garrett obviously wants out of Cleveland because who doesn't. Here's what he said. Listen closely to what he said about Detroit. So they have Aidan Hutchinson coming back off the injury. They're going to pay Aiden Hutchinson. What better way to kind of make sure that he has some runway and coming back off the injury and the defense has a real strength to build off of. Then you get Aidan Hutchinson back from injury.

You'll have a lame McNeil coming back from injury. And then, oh, by the way, you've got Miles Garrett out. there. I like it. I know Lions fans are fired up. It was a disappointing end to the season for the Lions. And now you lose both coordinators. It's funny not to reveal too much, but, you know, I think I've mentioned this. Jared Goff lives near me out here in L.A. And, you know, he's got the supermodel wife or maybe Sports Illustrated swimsuit wife, whatever she is. And I see them sometimes around town. I've never talked to them, obviously. But Jared Goff is building this like massive house right on the same block at some of my friends.

And somebody was in Target, which is also near me, and Jared Goff walks into Target. So my buddy texts me, hey, Jared Goff just walked into Target. And I was like, ask him about the Lions offsees and what the hell's going on there. I will not reveal what was said. But I'm just saying right now, there's pressure on the Lions to do something. Okay. They don't want to step back. They were, you know, a pretty morbid franchise.

for a long time, woke up with Dan Campbell, golf and company. And now it's like, can we get to the, can we get over the hump? And I feel like there's a pullback coming. Speaking of the Lions and the NFC, I don't know why this Cooper Cup story is not getting more attention. And I know some people will say, oh, he's just a receiver. He's kind of washed. I think this deserves a little more detail.

So Cooper Cup is very close with Matt Stafford. They are buddies. guys remember, within the last two years, Matt Stafford's wife went on a podcast and was like Matt Stafford hates the locker room. He can't relate to any of these guys. Everybody's on the phone. He's an old man. He's got kids. His guy is Cooper Cup. Stafford and Cup are close. The way that the Rams are moving off Cup to me, I don't exactly know what it is, but it's something. It feels strange. And then in the morning meeting, you know, we got a sharp group. A lot of smart people. They pointed out, well, Jay, remember, this is a kind of a cutthroat Rams franchise.

They moved off of Jared Gough. They moved off of Gurley. They moved off of Ramsey pretty easily. I was like, they can't move off Cup. Look at the numbers on the screen. And then I call up Cooper Cup stats. And this is the weird part. This is crazy. I did not realize this. Cooper Cup's been in a league, what, seven years? He has two 1,000-yard seasons. And one of them was extraordinary. He won the Triple Crown. 145 catches, 1900 yards, 16 touchdowns. That was the year they won the Super Bowl. And I look around, I'm like, oh, that's, I didn't realize Cooper Cup really has only had two amazing years. I start thinking, hmm, what is happening with the Rams?

Breer alluded to it. They talked about restructuring Stafford last year. It was ugly. It was messy. They ended up keeping him. I'm just saying. I think it bears watching what's going on with the Rams. Obviously, Cowherd knows the franchise well.

Maybe he'll have something on it later in the week, but it just feels like there is something afoot. I don't know what. I can't put my finger on it. But a fun game I like to play, it's easier with the NBA because their reporters say stuff and don't care. In the NFL, everybody's really buttoned up and doesn't want to irk the owners.

Something, I don't know what it is, but something's going on with the Rams. And Breer actually said, if I'm the Steelers, I make a call to the Rams about Matt Stafford. And I was like, oh, now that is interesting. And, you know, we love interesting on the show. Again, I like Cooper Cup a lot. I do think he's going to thrive somewhere.

Breer alluded to Washington, which makes a hell of a lot of sense. And I know the parallel of white guy, white guy with Adam Thielen is a little goofy, but let's be real. Like Thieland, Possession Receiver, Cup, Possession Receiver. Both guys run awesome routes. They're not going to wow you with speed or down the field, but they can play. And I think Cup is going to have revenge on his mind.

Just the way the Rams are moving off of him, it just doesn't seem like a nice move. Like Cooper Cup's a great guy in the community. On social media, he looks like a family guy. He's not getting in trouble. He's Stafford's boy. It feels weird, like a weird time for the Rams. I would not be surprised if the cross-town chargers made a play for Cooper Cup.

Hey, man, you love L.A. You could stay out here? We'll take you. We could use receivers. And again, Cups not a number one anymore. He's closer to a two. Very interesting stuff going on with the Rams. Obviously, Miles Garrett is a big deal.

That's a bigger story because he's a high-impact player. But it feels to me like the Cooper Cup situation bears watching with the Rams. All right. Coming up next, the Chiefs, have they already become the Patriots? That's next here on the herd. Hey, guys, it's us and the Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin.

And I'm Nick. Guess what? We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions.

Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it, but, you know. Tired and sick. Tired and sick. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL, late night comedy guy, not quite. on Humor Me with Robert Smygel and Friends,

me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, S&L's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to Humor Me with Robert Smigel and Friends

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