The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 2 - Wilson, Broncos, Jackson, Jets

Episode Date: November 29, 2022

Thoughts on Russell Wilson and Broncos HC Nathaniel Hackett Doug discusses Lamar Jackson's contract and his recent Twitter drama The Jets QB situation   Guest: Andrew Brandt   #DouggottliebshowSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm Doug Gottlieb. In for Colin Cowherd on the IHeartRadio app on Fox Sports Radio or Fox Sports Radio. I hope you're doing well. We are, what, an hour away? An hour away from either the last U.S. team. Oh, they kick it off now? There we go. I'm looking at my TV. There we go.

Okay. I saw reports that it was like two Eastern. I was like, no, it's one Easter. All right, they're kicking off. We'll keep you updated. This either the last time, you know, should we fire the coach? We'll do the usual stuff, right? Last time we'll talk about U.S. men's national team. I mean, Colin will probably talk about it, but I won't. Or we'll get fired up because we're moving on.

Really that, that's simple. It's win or go home. Win or go home. So check your calendar. Today is the 29th of November of November, right? 29th of November. So December is upon us. You're cool now doing the same Merry Christmas.

I've never really understood that, right? We're only a couple of days removed from Thanksgiving, but it does feel like holidays are a lot like bids on the prices right. Like you can't go over. Once you go even a dollar over, you're done. So like Friday, you couldn't say, Happy Thanksgiving, even though it was only a day after Thanksgiving. Now you definitely can't.

Christmas is, what is it, 27 days away? Yet it's totally cool saying Merry Christmas. Not cool saying Happy Thanksgiving, even though Thanksgiving was just last Thursday. It's the Price is Right deal. Merry Christmas to you all. Happy holidays. Also, happy birthday to Russell Wilson. Nice. 34 today. 34 today.

Which, I mean, look, in this day and age, yet's a young, young man. And in the National Football League, when you look at Thomas Edward Patrick Brady, you're like, he's still got a decade to play if he wants. You know? Look at these. Some of these guys play a long, long time.

And Russell, though he broke his thumb last year, I don't remember him ever getting dinged with a concussion or at least a reported concussion. You know, you look at what's ended careers or shortened careers. it's, you know, you just get beat up. Get beat up. But what I find to be super interesting is we're trying to figure out

how does Russell Wilson go from being an elite quarterback. I mean, no one has had a greater infatuation. Like in Collins, the athletes that Colin talks about, I mean, between USC football and Russell Wilson, and it's a lot. It's a lot. I mean, Colin has been, and he's, I mean, look, he thought he won the MVP this year.

And it's fair to say this is an odd fit with Nathaniel Hackett, right? They brought in Nathaniel Hackett thinking, hey, we could get Aaron Rogers. This will make Aaron Rogers happy. They'll work together well. And they're like, yeah, plot twist, we're going to give you Russell Wilson. And it's been an abject disaster. But we can't put all the blame on Hackett. anyone can see it feels like Nathaniel Hackett is just in over his head.

And I think you can draw the parallel at your work when you bring somebody in from outside of your business. And the first meeting they have, they looked overwhelmed at the position. It's not only a turnoff, but it's really hard for you to buy in that, okay, all of a sudden they figured out they can fix it. right imagine that with pro athletes pro athletes make a judgment very very quick just like the rest of us and it's like that Malcolm Gladwell book blink right your first impression is usually your best impression and his first impression was holy crap

we hired a guy who is not a head coach fair okay but we can't put all the blame on Hackett watch Russell Wilson move look at all uncomfortable he is and then look at teammates' reaction to him he's always been cheesy right

what was the what's the chito's guy's name was it charlie chito was that it it's not easy being cheesy I I which music who is is that Charlie chito is that what was that his nickname forget that was I love that ad campaign

that was a that was a favorite of mine right he was like a tiger but he was like Chester Cheeto Chester Cheeto Chester Cheeto there you go It is an easy being cheesy. But this is, it's, it's fascinating.

It's like all the things that we had heard as not even whispers have come to be true. And that, and, you know, the Seahawks clearly knew on some level, whether it was that teammates struggled to buy in or that he was on the downside. He doesn't move the same anymore. This guy was the best in the league at throwing on the move, the best. Unbelievable deep ball. So we can pick apart. We can say both of these things can be true. Nathaniel Hackett is not a good head coach.

He will not make it to year two. That can absolutely be true. And it's really easy because different ownership, different ownership hired him. So new ownership come in and go, hey man, we're just going to change directions. Write him a check and then move on. It's Walmart money anyway.

But Russell Wilson, you're stuck with. Andrew Brandt's going to join us in 10 minutes. Wait to hear how stuck with him they are. Like there is no getting rid of Russell Wilson. He's your quarterback. But I think, I think there's two different things we didn't take into account. And I would say, like, look, I'm as guilty as anybody. I thought, and I know guys in coaching staffs in front office in that league.

And everybody said last year, like, hey, they're like a quarterback away. They got a nasty defense. Now, they had to trade some pieces, you know, some important pieces. Maybe Noah Phant wasn't, but you trade a defense line. me, you trade Noah fan. Like, you move some pieces around. There's, you're not going to the exact same team. And also, the hackett fit hasn't worked.

But there's two things that we didn't take into account. And it's not just about the fit. The first thing is that I think we all think that all quarterbacks are now like Tom Brady or Aaron Rogers. We didn't take into account that they're not. You remember when Adrian Peterson came back from his ACL injury to win the MVP with the Minnesota Vikings. Remember that? And what did that do?

All these other running backs that came off of an ACL, like, that was the expectation. You get hurt? I'm not sure you're fine. Well, he's a freak of nature. He's an outlier. He's a, I think Adrian Peterson played last year, didn't he? Like, this dude's played forever. I'm not sure he offers a ton to the world for the rest of, for anything else he does.

But as a running back, Agent Peterson was really, really good for all. really long time. And he, remember he like, didn't really catch it out of the backfield? I'm sure he's not, he's okay in pass protection, but just hand him the football and he's really good at that one thing for a long time, even coming off an ACL. But it created this, it created this unrealistic, unrealistic view of what you look back coming off of an ACL. The other part is Russell Wilson, while he's not Cam Newton in terms of the voluble. you move of carries. The Cam Newton effect where Cam Newton

and look, he couldn't throw a football. I mean, I told you guys that's going back to the New England year before New England, when he lost his job in Carolina, like, NFL people are like, he does not throw a football right. There's something wrong with his shoulder. He can't throw a football.

I mean, it was bad. The fact that they won seven games that year in New England was nothing short of remarkable coaching. But but Kim Noon's still a young man. And he's out of the league. Because if you run, you get beat up.

And maybe this era is a little different. I'm still intrigued by, you know, like Lamar. Hasn't got hurt a little last year. Hasn't really been hit or hurt. But part of it is that when you're able to get away with using your legs at a young age, eventually those legs go. And so we factor in those two things. We think we look at Tom Brady, we look at Aaron Rogers, and we think everybody's going to be able to play that long and be that effective. And look, it's a change of scenery.

It's guys he hasn't played with. I'm not sure how good some of those guys are or how, you know, and they clearly didn't buy into him and the scheme and all this. That's altogether fair. But we also have to factor in that he was a mobile quarterback. And while he hasn't taken a bludgeoning and a beating, you do, you take hits and they, take years off your career. I think we didn't factor that in. And so he's 34, but have you ever heard this?

Guy's an old 34, a guy's a young 34? 34 is not the same on every person. Like LeBron James at 37 and, you know, earlier in the show, I was like, look, LeBron doesn't move in. But for 37, he's amazing. It's just you don't get that, you don't get that, well, for 37 when you're actually playing. you're playing against 27, 28-year-old guys in their athletic prime,

and though they haven't had the careers you had, their body moves better at this age. You still move incredible for 37, but that's not the scale you're judged upon in terms of the totality of the league. Is it possible Russell Wilson's an old 34? I don't know whether it's he didn't take care of himself. I have a friend in Denver says like, no, Russell's not fat.

He's swole. He just might be too muscular. He doesn't move the same. He doesn't have his confidence. not throwing the ball deep downfield. And then now all those whispers that you had back in Seattle about teammates and defense, not buying into Russell Wilson and being two sides of the ball

and a divided locker room, now they're shouts. They're not whispers, they're shouts. But I think we have to, as we try and figure out how can, this is the, to me, this is the season that is the most surprising. Probably Jalen Hertz playing this well, this consistently, this improved, whatever is the other side to it. way better. Maybe two as well

because of who they're surrounded by, whatever, both of them been way better than anybody imagine. But Russell Wilson, the expectations were, I mean, Colin's not an idiot. Colin knows football. Colin talks to a ton of people from you could be the MVP

of the league or in the discussion to, I don't know if he can play football anymore. Happy birthday, Russell Wilson. Maybe he's just an old 34, right? I mean, Carmelo and LeBron, look at the last five, six years of their career. Same age. Okay. Carmelo played one year in college. They're essentially kind of the same thing.

And Carmelo didn't take care of his body. LeBron did. Look at where they are. And LeBron's better. Could it be that Russell Wilson is Carmelo Anthony? All right, coming up next. I'll get the opinion of a former Packers team exec on what the Packers will do with Aaron Rogers. and we'll kind of set the record straight on the logic in moving Kyler.

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skip practice on Wednesday, which is standard operating procedure. And he's going to play this weekend. I believe in him. I'm kind of quoting him verbatim. Going to get into play one of his favorite place to play Chicago, get a win, get to the by get healthy. I mean, oh, Chicago, we love you. We love you.

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But what do you think the Packers do the rest of the year in terms of when they try and take a look at Jordan Love? Yeah, I always could be with you, Doug. And this is, yeah, this resonates so much with me because there's so much deja vu going on. First of all, of course, we drafted Aaron 15 years to the day before they drafted Jordan Love, both first round, both with. Hall of Fame quarterbacks on the roster. And then Jordan gets in the other night for pressure situation, 15 years to the day, after Aaron got in his third season against the Cowboys were 10 and one, the Eagles were 9 in 1.

Anyway, it just strikes me all the parallels. They're stark. I think Aaron was pretty honest, and I think it's true. He's going to play until they're mathematically eliminated, which may be a couple more weeks. Of course, I think they'll beat the Bears. I think they'll beat the Rams after their buy. So it may be a while, but he's going to be the quarterback until they're mathematically eliminated.

The bigger questions would kind of, weeks are going to be next year. But right now, it's pretty simple. He's not going to sit until there's absolutely no positive way they can make the playoff. Okay, I'm looking at at Spotrack.com. right, which is anybody can go there. There's no secret sauce to it, right?

Anybody go there and you get what's the details to his contract. Okay. So here's what I see for next year. And you tell me what all of this means. Base salary $1.165 million. Signing bonus of $12.981 million. There's an option for $14.575 million. It's his option.

A workout bonus of $50,000 if he shows up. up in the offseason. $2.8.52 million in restructure. The cap hit is $31.6, but the dead cap is $99.778 million. In other words, he is guaranteed to make $59.5 million. The dead cap is $99 million. The cap hit is $31 million. Here's my question.

They own that money unless he retires, right? and the dead cap money means if they trade him or cut him, that's what's on the cap? Yeah, I mean, the numbers you rolled off there, a lot of some of them are per rated numbers. So it's not like that's cash. So he's already gotten a big bonus for this. Bonus per ration is for this year and then the two more years. And there's bonus per ration from the prior contract and per ration you talked about, too. the key is the $59 million.

So the Packers can do one of two things. They can exercise the option, and it's $59 million pro-rated. Or if they don't exercise, it becomes $59 million salary, which they're not going to do that. So that's where we are. If he retires, they can play the game that the Saints played with Drew Brees and hold it until June 2nd. that way it pushed into 2024, the $40 million is split. I think it's going to be $15 million next year and $25 million and $24. That's if he wants to retire.

If he doesn't want to retire, you know, they're on the hook for that money or somebody else's. And they would make that trade after June 2nd and have $15 million on the books in 2020. and 25 million on the books in 204. You know, we're in a new age of dead cap, Doug. You know, back in my day, dead cap of $5, $6, $10 million was huge. We got Matt Ryan counting $40 million on the Falcons cap right now. So teams are doing this.

And you know the guys up there. Is there a way in which they would trade them? I think so. I mean, I think there's a good, I don't want to say good chance. There's certainly a chance Aaron walks away. I mean, anyone who's followed Aaron knows that he's in this thoughtful, introspective time and thinking about things beyond football. I think that's in the cards.

But I also know this, you know, we had a three-year apprenticeship for Aaron Rogers. I would think the Packers have thought that same thing about Jordan Love. You get past three years, and then you only have a year left on that guy's contract. And then, I don't know, it seems like it's been parallel three-year punishment for Jordan Love. But Aaron's got to agree to that. I don't see anybody walking away from $60 million. I mean, $60 million for 17 weeks, you know. And this season, you know, the broken thumb.

and now the ribs and the young wide receivers. Those, you know, like everybody's all introspective, but Aaron Rogers wouldn't be Aaron Rogers unless he was a fierce competitor. And fierce competitors, they don't want to end like that, you know? Well, they just don't. There's one other scenario. I mean, everything's negotiable. That's my role from negotiating contracts for 30 years in the NFL

and the team and the agent side. And maybe there could be a negotiation where Aaron, Rogers takes X million dollars and walks away. Not going to be 50, but it's going to be X. And then everybody's happy. You know, again, a lot to play out in the next three months. A lot, a lot to, a lot to play out. Andrew Brandt joins us.

Okay. I'm watching Russell Wilson, and I think we can all agree that the marriage between he and Nathaniel Hackett has not been good. And Nathaniel Hackett, by all the. counts been a bit overwhelmed by the job and that thing that's a smoldering dumpster fire. That said we could also point out that Russell was

is it possible he's an old 34 like you remember when Adrian Peterson tore his ACL he came back the next year there's the MVP of the league and so that became the expectation and that's not just the reality for everybody else. I kind of feel like our expectation is all these guys will age like

Brady and like and like Rogers and the truth is like Philip Rivers was kind of shot at 34, right? A lot of these guys are kind of shot at 34. Is that what we're seeing? Yeah, I've been shot as a relative word. Decline is what I

see. I was, there's decline. You know, again, I'm looking at it from the business side, Doug. I'm going to put him and Kyla Murray in the same category, although they're completely different reasons for it. And the category is, why were the teams so

intent on extending? They had years left. I know you can always argue, hey, it's a new ownership in Denver. They want to get on the right foot. And you can argue they want to keep Tyler happy. But why? Why make these commitments when there's questions? There's questions about Russell Wilson.

You know, would he continue to be the player in these age? And why make the commitment to Kyler Murray when it's obvious they had questions, the whole homework clause and everything else? But they did. But they did. Now, I'm going to anticipate your next question because here's the thing. The good news for the Broncos and the Cardinals is they didn't have to go the Deshaun Watson route with a contract, not the five-year fully guaranteed, not the four-year, not even three years. What they did was this standard traditional NFL contract, basically two years, and we'll figure it out after that.

two years fully guaranteed some guarantee money in the third year which would be what 2025 and then you can get out and you can probably get out in 20 after 2024 so these are questions that I had when when deals didn't have to do the Watson type deal and they have a way to get out but not soon not soon I think we can all we can all say that Lamar Jackson though his, I mean, his tweet went from zero to 100, like some dude questioning whether he gets $250 million to what it was, yeah, he escalated that thing to a level that I don't think anybody saw coming. But it points out that I'm obviously pretty frustrated and, you know,

like, look, if you just follow him on social media, you'd know that earlier in the year he said, you know, basically if you don't love, if the Ravens, if somebody doesn't want to give him $250 million, then you don't love Lamar. Like that's his view of it. We're going to see Deshawn Watson play this weekend for the Cleveland Browns. Everyone I've talked to said, no way the Ravens give him, you know, 250 million plus.

And we can go into the he's one MVP. Deshaun hasn't. He hasn't been hurt Deshaun has. He doesn't have the out-the-field issues. Deshawn has. That's all fair. Okay. But at the end of the day, do the Ravens relent and give him all the money guarantee?

You know, I'm going to put my team hat on now. because I've talked about the agent side with Lamar Jackson, like you just said. He has every reason asked to watch him contract and more. But now putting my team hat on is, okay, we have the Murray, we have the Wilson, we have Derek Carr, they went back to the traditional contracts, we'll pay him a little more than Kylo Murray. And we're not going to do that structure. And we have the ultimate weapon.

The Ravens have the ultimate weapon, which has not talked about enough. in NFL business, which is the tag. What is Lamar Jackson going to do? So people can say, well, he'll sit out. So he won't sit out. He'll sit out training camp and apply some pressure there, but potentially, but he's not going to miss out on a million dollars a week or $2 million a week, whatever it's going to be.

So this is the ultimate weapon the Ravens have. So, you know, in terms of him getting mad at social media, he's got to stay above that. You think? I mean, I know, I know it's tough because guys have egos

and, you know. No, and look, and you don't have to be a professional at, like if you're anybody who has, you know,

you have followers and you have people feel like they, and eventually you just, you want to shut them all up. But, uh, my,

my, Seth Davis has a great expression. He mutes people who doesn't block them and he calls it squishing ants. I love that idea. I think that's, that's,

that's an, That's an amazing practice. I'll credit, I'll credit Seth. Yeah. With, with just that. Last thing, Andrew, as we look here, okay, so the Rams were the model last year, right? Forget the picks. Just go for it.

Right. But now we see what happens after. Does this cause any team to stop and go, maybe the Rams weren't the model? Yeah, I mean, every time I bring that up, Doug, I get, speaking of social media, or wherever I go, other media, I get the same refrain as you do, which is, well, it's worth it. They won a Super Bowl. And I'm like, well, is it? Is it? I mean, they're a bad team. They're caps strapped and they're extremely shallow. In other words, they have some superstars like Tupp and Donald and maybe Stafford one more year, but they really have little infrastructure on that team. But it's just a sliver of margin.

You know, what if the San Francisco guy held onto that interception last year? It's just crazy. But they did. They made it. But in my view, it's not worth it. They're going to be a bad and cap-strap team for a few more years. Better off being competitive longer than it is going for it in one year. It's fascinating.

Andrew, I think that's the fire alarm you told us was coming. evacuate the building. We'll talk to you soon. All right, guys. They were asking about my Instagram. I do reels there. Andrew Brandt, too, before the fire alarm goes off here. Andrew Brandt, too, on Instagram.

It's all about the Graham, Andrew. Thanks so much. Andrew Brandt joining us, host of the Business of Sports podcast. Let's get to Ryan Music with News. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. I just want to, and listen, I'm not, I'm not saying this to be a jerk.

I just, I felt like I sounded like an idiot when I said kick. off was an hour away 34 minutes ago. Right. But it was like I'm, I got up this morning and I'm reading a bunch of stuff and I keep seeing that, you know, you were correct. No, it was, but it was like, look, Fox was promoting it as 1 o'clock. Yes. And it was 2 o'clock. And it was only because social media actually helped that one.

Yes. And we love our colleagues at Fox, but they did the very clever double pregame. They had one pregame leading into it. And now this is the extended pregame. game of a different title. So that was also somewhat misleading. But hey, you get the rights to the World Cup. You stretch it as far as you can go.

No question. No, I would not blame them in all. Because what the world needs, though, is another hour of pregame. That's, right? Listen, you got, you know, we should do. You got Tom and Aldi sitting down with. We should add more people to the set because more is more. Can we have more people on the set and more time for the pregame?

That's, that's, that's, I, here's, honestly, what I'm, honestly, honestly, what I want is I want like um you know the NFL matchup show yeah with Greg CoSell and Greg CoSell and I want that for soccer explain to me this stuff sure that's what I want because like I played soccer as a kid in the club soccer but it's not the same sport like there's a lot okay so explain how does it work how does it work you know it's not like you don't have time I'm just I'm not a fluff peace guy, I like actually being told what's going to happen or why it happens, and then watching it happen go, ooh, I learned that in the pregame. That's what I dig about football's pregames or the breakdown shows as opposed to what you see.

Well, listen, you get a little bit of both because we always love hearing from Tom Rinaldi as he's doing a sit down with Tyler Adams. And we also love Alexi Lollas or Landon Donovan breaking it down for us. So you are correct. You were correct. Jay Stu and I were wrong. kickoff is officially taking place in about 25 minutes. Okay. All right, from football to football, Doug, can you feel that? Can you feel that? No, it's not the winter chill of Southern California's winter, Doug.

It's the Mike White Phenomena. Ah, Mike White. That's right. Eminating from New York, the Jets quarterback, bringing home the win after taking over for Zach Wilson. It's had people talking all sorts of crazy, Doug, throwing around words and phrases like Franchise QB. But when asked about the situation, specifically their quarterback situation, head coach Robert Sala said they're taking it week to week and he's not quite committing to Mike White as the full-time starter just yet, Doug.

And I'll say this, I like what we're seeing from Robert Sala because everyone just needs to slow down a bit on this Mike White hype. Yeah, I mean, I think he's like you don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater with Zach Wilson because you may need him. but you just, you don't, you know, I mean, Richard Sherman calling Mike White franchise quarterback. Like, let's like just take a breath. Okay. Now, the one thing, there's a couple things. Obviously, he's been more accurate and more productive. But the biggest thing in football is guys got to want to play for you.

Right. Just, you got to, those other 52 got to want to play for you. And right now, Zach Wilson does not have that. Right. And Mike White does. but the season is long. We've seen plenty of guys come in as backups, light up the world. And then they get, I mean, that's the Ryan Fitzpatrick, right?

Sure. Who did it forever. You know, in short doses, really, really good. But once you get past like the fourth or fifth game, people get a book. They figure it out. You're just okay. So I think both of these things can be true. Mike White can be far better than Zach Wilson's performed and not be a franchise quarterback.

You don't see after one week. You don't see, and I know he's had last year he had games which he played well. It's like, just take a breath and let's allow it to play. We'll wrap it up with this out of the NFL, Doug. Among the teams that have been disappointing this season, you can put the Arizona Cardinals right there as they come to mind. After making the playoffs last season, but sitting at 4 and 8 on this year's standings, they're basically out of the playoff race.

Maybe not officially, but basically in the NFC. Much has been made about the relationship between their, quarterback, Kyler Murray, and the head coach Cliff Kingsbury, after some odd back and forth comments to the media, back and going even to the preseason following Murray's big time contract extension. Take a listen to NFL insider Ian Rappaport. He was on the Pat McAfee show, and he had this to say about the dynamic between their young star quarterback and the head coach. I think it's always tense with Kyle. Like, I don't think, with Cliff's always very, he works hard, but it's very chill. With Kyle, it's always tense. So, like,

I know we all, I mean, including me, like I did a thing on this this weekend, we're all kind of focused on that relationship. I would imagine it's going to be tense with any coach and Kyler because he wants what he wants, he sees what he sees, he's very demonstrative about it, and he's kind of curt a little bit, like quick and like, come on, like it's, he's very blunt. Feels pretty spot on. Not that I would ever really doubt a seasoned, reputable reporter like Ian Rappaport, but I get that.

I don't necessarily know if this is specifically a Cliff King. Kingsbury situation that, well, it's just the head coach and Kyler aren't getting along. I think this is just Kyler's dynamic. And though Cliff Kingsbury may not be in the same level of a Sean McVeigh or Kyle Shanahan, I think he's doing a fine job. And I'm not sure you'll have anyone who's been a bigger fan of Kyler and willing to make it work with Kyler that you will in Cliff Kingsbury. I'm going to venture a guess here, okay? obviously it feels like Kyler has done everything he can to outwardly show his lack of

enjoyment in playing for Cliff. And it is weird because Cliff was brought in because of their relationship and the style and the idea that it would be a fit. But, you know, like, look, this is a... People talked about Zach Wilson's level of accountability. That's the problem here. I mean, Kyler started as a freshman at A&M, okay, where his dad played, and he split some time, but he wasn't particularly good. So he transfers, he leaves.

Okay, that's okay. I mean, people do transfer. I transfer. Different reasons that I transfer. But everything he's done since has been, there's lacking any sort of accountability. And he hasn't had off-the-field issues outside of the call of duty thing, right? where people's track, new Call of Duty comes out, look at his record.

But, I mean, look at how it was. Last year in the playoffs, he was awful. He was horrendous. He was awful. There's no, and we can say it's game plan, but if you watch that game, you're like, that guy looks like he doesn't, the bad body language, doesn't belong,

not confident, he was just bad. Okay, then there's the, you know, the immaturity of taking down everything on your social media. Like, when you're, like, bro, you hardly been in the league. gets the new contract, they put the clause. I think what happened is that part of it is Kyler lashing out on some level

over that contract thing. And the contracting was there for a reason. He is not a worker. That's the reputation. And he's even said, he didn't really look at stuff previously that he didn't really look at stuff when he goes home, right?

So they're using his own words like, you say it, we do it, we don't see it. We're going to put this clause in your contract to make sure you work. and then the whole world gets offended over, the team holding him accountable. This is the issue. This is societal issue.

That somehow Kyler was a victim when he had agreed to a clause in the contract. He'd agreed to it. Sign the deal. And then they're like, that's mean, let's take it out. So I think that part of it is lashing out on some level at Cliff

because Cliff had to either sign off on or maybe he was the one who offered up. This is something we need to take a look at. It made Kaiser look like he wasn't prepared, like he wasn't a worker. It let people in, and it ticks him off. And so he's like, oh, I don't work? Well, guess what? I'm going to do the same to you.

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because we can. Like, we can play sound where they curse or we can read it, tweet where they curse. This is not Jason Stewart that, that world, right? So if you would, if you would indulge me and I'd appreciate it, the Lamar Jackson back and forth, right, on Twitter. And how about this? I'll do the, what if I do the, what if I do the, what if, what if, what if, what, what, what, what, What if I do the first one and then you do the response?

Do you want to do that? Sure. So radio-friendly version of the actual Lamar Jackson tweet to some rando on Twitter Sunday night. Correct. Yep. Go ahead. Correct. And the fan said, okay, fan said, someone asking for over 250 million guaranteed, like Lamar.

games like this should not come down to a kicker. Let Lamar walk and spend that money on a well-rounded team. And Lamar responds, quote, tweet, boy, shut the front uterus. Y'all cap in too much on this app. MF, never smelt a football field, never did S, but E to D. Barely radio-friendly? That's good. Yeah, I think we all know, like, you know, by now, if you hadn't caught up on it, you're not on social, you're like, okay, got it.

That one, what's it, spinal tap? That one went to 11. That one went to 11. Here's John Harbaugh, his head coach on Lamar's Twitter exchange. It's not to get into the Twitter world right after the game, especially after a loss. It's never going to be positive. It's not going to be a nice place. I think that's kind of reflected in Lamar's response because what he said was just so out of character for him.

That's not the way he speaks. It's not the way he talks. the words he ever uses. I've never heard him say things like that before. Come, just stop it, John. Stop it. I've never heard him use that language before. I just, I've never heard that.

I mean, it just sound like him, like somebody talking trash to him and him snapping back at him. It's not a homophobic, like, it's just not. But what it does, what it really does is it shows you that, no matter how much you think, Marr doesn't care, playing the long game, believes he's going to get paid.

You see enough of these Twitter responses. Yeah, it's bothering him. It's affecting him. And he thinks if he doesn't get the money, then the Ravens don't love him. I don't think he's getting the money. Why is Tua so much better this year than last year? Easy explanation.

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