The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - A potential blockbuster

Episode Date: April 25, 2024

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Greg Kossel, 44 years of looking at films. We were just talking about this during the commercial, that there's so many variables with this stuff. These coaches aren't idiots. You do the best you can. I'll say, here's the quarterback. that's fascinating. So there's a recent history, Jordan Love, Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, that the kid that comes in with massive talent but needs refinement, it's rough, ends up being the best quarterback, and that sometimes we overvalue the polished kid who started in a good program,

you know, Alabama. And so I look at Drake May and I'm like, you know, if you just count his first three years against Jaden's first three years, and Jaden had way better O-line and receiver, Drake May may have finished a little rough around the edges. He was pretty good. Where are you on Drake May? He's the unfinished product of this first-round group. I mean, Bo Nix has got 61 starts.

I know what I'm getting. Give me your feel on Drake May. What do I get? What do I don't get? What do you like? What may be concerns you? He's the quarterback in this draft. that intrigues me the most, good and bad.

You can make the argument, Colin, that he's the tool-y-yest quarterback in this draft. He's six-four. I introduced myself to him at the Combine. He is a big kid, and that's a trait, as you well know. I'm not comparing him to Josh Allen, but size is a trait. The kid throws the ball really well down the field.

But in the short-to-short intermediate areas, he just does not control the ball as well as he needs to, and therefore misses too many layups and too many routine throws and he has this issue which i noticed in each of the last two years that has to be cleaned up and it can be but it has to be he tends to drift in the pocket and when you drift in the pocket you create your own pressure and that stood out quite a bit on tape

offensive linemen do not like that at all because their past protecting expecting him to be in a specific spot up now that like i said you can fix that um... now Now, all quarterbacks, and I'd say he had this problem as well, all quarterbacks when you're watching college have a few too many misreads where you don't process it correctly and you don't see the coverage the right way. You know, it's the decision-making issue, the elimination and isolation, the processing. I think he has to improve there as well. But bottom line is, how many quarterbacks come in the NFL columnist's finished products? Probably none.

Right. Yeah, I mean, Belichick was saying it this week. Lawrence Taylor is the only player he's ever drafted that was ready to be great without, didn't need a ton of refinement, he was a great player his first week. In fact, he said he was great in camp. Literally walked into camp and he was dominating

people. So Caleb Williams is considered the top prospect. Is his tape worthy of it? Do you view him as that? I do think he's the best quarterback prospect in this draft. I don't think he's the best quarterback

prospect I've seen in 20 years. I would say that the one thing, look, we know about his ability to make place outside of structure. There's no question he has great spatial awareness. He can calmly navigate chaos. He's really good at that. We know that. And that's become a more important trait. But I think the thing that I really like about him, and I just mentioned this in a negative way with Drake May,

I think Caleb Williams controls the ball really well. I think that he can place it where he wants to place it. And as long as you can do that, that's a really good starting point. That's a non-negotiable when it comes to quarterbacks. If you can't throw it where you want to, then you don't really have a whole lot going for you. So that's the one thing about Williams that I think really stood out to me that he really controls the ball extremely well. So the quarterback, and there's one every year. So I didn't get, there's a quarterback every few years I don't get.

Daniel Jones, Tim Tebow, Johnny Mansell. I was critical of Baker, but I understood him. I saw him as a franchise guy. I thought number one was a reach, but I still think he's a franchise guy, one of the 20-22 best quarterbacks on the planet. J.J. McCarthy. Now, I think he's better than Zach Wilson, Daniel Jones, Tim Tebow. I'm not saying that, but I don't, I, this is not somebody I would move up for

and give up multiple picks. He's closer to Mitch Tribesky than Caleb Williams to me. I have reservations with him. Tell me I'm wrong. What do you see? What is the tape show? Yeah, I don't think his tape this past year was of a first round quality. He's the classic poster child right now for projection of a player.

His tape was not great. His ball placements was very erratic. He played behind the best offensive line in college football. He had a lot of easy throws. He would hitch up three times. There's no quarterback drop where you hitch up three times. I'll tell you the player he kind of reminded me of, and this goes back a few years, but you'll know, we've both been doing this a while. The player he kind of reminded me of when he came out of college is Andy Dalton.

And I think that, you know, to me, Andy Dalton's had a nice career and, in fact, has made the playoffs numerous times when he was with Cincinnati. But I don't see J.J. McCarthy based on his tape, again, I know he's a great kid, and that's what you're hearing. But just based on his tape, I don't see him as a top five pick in the draft, quite frankly. I didn't see him as a first round pick in the draft based on his tape. So, listen, we have a history in this league quite regularly. It doesn't matter if it's Garoppolo, Dak, Russell Wilson. I mean, good God, Romo and Kurt Warner were undrafted, Brock Purty seventh round. I think Michael Pratt at Tulane is interesting.

He didn't play with great players but was productive, multiple year starter, excellent backstory, had to overcome a lot, a loyal kid who probably got some offers in NIL and stayed with Tulane. And I think this is a year where a lot of teams are wary of a Bo Nixon the first and he may become a really interesting second round

prospect. Is he a starter to you? Does he project? What did you see on him? Yeah, he's an interesting guy because you could make the argument that he doesn't really possess any special physical trait that you can hang your hat on.

But I think that when you watch in play, you see a guy that knows how to play. He's got kind of a subtle and refined sense of timing and anticipation. He's got good eyes. He sees it clearly. He understood safety rotation. And that's a trait that immediately raises your level of play in the NFL. For instance, that's something that Brock Purdy truly understands, and that allows him to play with a great sense of timing and rhythm. That's a really important trait. And Pratt can make plays with his legs in the way Purdy can. You wouldn't call them play creators or play makers, but they can do enough with their legs. So to me, Pratt is the kind of guy.

He needs team. He needs a running game. He needs a good defense, so he doesn't have to put up 30 every week. Can he develop into a starter down the road? Possibly. But he's a classic case of what you started with. There's so many variables with someone like Michael Pratt. But by the way, he's another great kid.

I know him. An unbelievable kid. Yeah. Marvin Harrison, I said there's two or three receivers I've seen in my, that I remember that I thought, oh, that's different. Randy Moss, Calvin Johnson. I think Marvin Harrison's in that class where I cannot see him busting. I think the draft has one player every draft. Patrick Willis, the linebacker from Old Miss, Bejohn Robinson, Atlanta.

It happens occasionally. You're like, yeah, that's not going to bust. Even if he got a bad quarterback, I think he would be productive. Am I, I, I mean, what do you see with Harrison? You've been doing this forever. Is he in that class, in your opinion? I felt that way. Now, I know a lot of coaches because I've talked to them who actually like Malik neighbors more, and that's okay.

I mean, I love Malik neighbors, too. It's not as if one's a 10 and one's a seven. But I really like Marvin Harris. And I watched him last summer from 2022, watched him this year from 2023. I mean, he is smooth. He's subtly sudden and twitchy. He's so smooth you don't see that, but he's so deceptive with his movement. To me, he's your prototypical wide receiver.

one size speed hands body control explosiveness enough physicality everything looks easy and maybe because of his dad maybe it's innate but there's just a lot of detail and nuance in the way that he runs routes and that's what you really want to see so i've been told it's a good draft that there's a lot of good players in this draft i was told last year was a weak draft that by the middle of the fourth there you know pukinakou was obviously great in the fifth but when you look at tapes can you comp it year to year? I mean, does it look like a dynamic draft, fourth round, fifth round, do you? I mean, I think there's certain positions, and there's always a few players that I really like, let's say, and I don't know how others feel. For me, it's all based on tape.

Obviously, I don't work for a team. I'm not interviewing the players. I'm not at pro days. I would say wide receivers, there's a lot of those that you could get. And by the way, we've reached a point because of the way college football is, there's always wide receivers, which is why it's a tough issue for teams when they have to pay wide outs like the 49ers are going through with Brandon IUke because you can always get wide receivers in the draft you just have to get the right one obviously but you can always get them I think offensive line particularly at the tackle position you'd have to feel really good about someone really high to draft them because you can get a good offensive tackle and particularly if you have a good all line coach so yeah I think those two positions would stand out to me I don't think

think there's a Patrick Certan at corner in this draft. Yeah. You know, I think there's a lot of corners, but I don't think there are corners at that level. Finally, we were saying this over the last 20 years, Tide End has had more misses according to an ESPN researcher, meaning you don't get a second, you don't get a contract extension. Right. Tide ends number two.

My take on that is because tight ends, this is why Iowa has so many good pro-tide ends. Iowa demands their tight ends block. And in the NFL, you got to block. None of this spread it out and catch it. You got to get in the trenches. That's why Dalton Kincaid, by the way. I had two general managers say, absolute lock. Utah makes their tight ends block.

He gets two hands on people. He's an Iowa tight end at Utah. He'll be great. So Brock Bowers is vertical. Not a big guy. I mean, you can move him outside. Are you worried at all? he's your classic vertical tight end but could get pushed around.

Well, Georgia makes their tight ends block. And by the way, Bowers works very hard at it. He's just 243 pounds. But you watch his tape. He works hard at blocking. He's not one of those guys that just is out there. So I remember talking to a coach years ago when Tony Gonzalez came in the league and he couldn't block it all. And they said the thing is he wanted a block and he became a quality blocker.

I think Bowers will be the same way because Georgia does run a lot of pro stuff, quarterback under center run game, Bowers was attached to the tackle. They demanded that he blocked. But as an athlete, I mean, one thing that he does, which is unbelievable, his transition from catching the ball to run after catch is so seamless. It might be the best I've ever seen. I mean, it just, there's no transition. It's unbelievable.

And he has unbelievable balance, Colin. He's a weapon, but you have to have an idea of how to use him because he's technically still a tight end. So you have to figure out exactly how he fits in your offense. And I imagine that a lot of people might be looking at Andy Reid's offense to see how Travis Kelsey is used. Greg CoSell. It's like, I'm like a seven-year-old and tonight's Halloween. I can't wait to get Skittles. Well, tonight's the draft.

It's probably similar. Great seeing as always, Greg. Thanks, Colin. Appreciate it. Oh, my God. So exciting. I can't wait. Maybe they could move it up to about 1.45. I'd be good with that.

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It would be none of the Peyton Manning who spoke on Denver Sports Radio about how a fresh start with the Broncos could be just what Zach Wilson needs. The best way to really, I think, screw a young quarterback up is to change coordinators on them every single year. And it drives me crazy. I think it's a great chapter two for Zach. He will get coached hard here by Sean Payton and their staff, which is important for young quarterbacks to be coached hard. He's obviously very talented.

He wouldn't have been exactly as high as he would. And actually, I've never met Zach, but I got his number yesterday from the Broncos and reached out to him and, you know, welcomed him to Denver. And I was excited with this new chapter. He sounds excited to be here. So hopefully it will be a good fit. Very, very excited about Zach Wilson in a new environment with a legit, big time offensive coach.

Things going to click potentially. Is he going to make the team? Yes, of course he's going to make the team. If they draft Bo Nicks first round or anyone. And then you got the guy that they added from the Raiders in that trade. Like, I don't even know if Zach Wilson is going to be on the roster. Quick word on Peyton Manning. This is the guy who hyped Adam Gaines.

I know, I know. I can't get past that, Peyton. I cannot get past it. I'm the same why I love Peyton, but he liked Adam Gayson because of his recommendation. I was on Adam Gates. So was I. And I looked like a buffoon thanks to Peyton Manning. So maybe Peyton knows me an apology.

I don't know. I know people who work with him. Apparently, he's a super nice guy. But... Paton knows this one on that. We ever see him, hey, round on you. Hey, go Adam Gaze, pal. Anyways, let's move on.

What do we do? Oh, yeah, the New York Giants. So ownership, of course, has said they're fine, right? With sticking with Daniel Jones. But there's other chatter that New York wants to move up for Drake, May. Now a report says they could be willing to stay at six and take Michael Penix Jr. at six. Colin, the posturing is just getting a little bit much. Is it not? I mean, Michael Penix at six? You know what this is? The giant saying, hey, we're not moving up. We'll take Penix at six.

So the Lakers leaked a story this week. The Giants and the Jets are leaking stories. These big market teams know they can go to major newspapers and major TV and radio outlets and it becomes a national story. I mean, you leak something to the Sacramento B. It may not make the national news. So nothing against that quality newspaper. But the point is, notice where all the leaks are coming from this week? Two New York football teams and an L.A. basketball team? Those teams want this stuff out there. Why do you think the Giants are leaking that? Oh, oh, somebody likes the Raiders, by the way, reportedly like Michael. Pennings. And the Raiders are like, oh, crap. What the Giants are leaking this for, they want to

move back to the Raiders spot. They want the Raiders to move up because the Raiders like Jaden Daniels are not going to get him. So Antonio Pierce doesn't want to go into a season with Gardner Minshue as his future. So the Raiders are looking at the giant spot and the Giants just leaked. We really like Michael Pennings. I've been told the Raiders like Michael Pennix. Remember, the Giants, this is a Giants group here. that was in Buffalo and didn't have to give up a lot of assets for Josh Allen. They don't want to give up assets for their guy. They want to stand pat and get their guy.

The posturing is fun and exciting. I almost feel like the move is to stay off social media until the draft starts because there's going to be a million of these here in the next, like, what, three, four hours? Yeah. So what are you going to get a nap or are you going to hit the gym? Going to go push some weights around. You got to order some food for tonight? What do you get?

Hang out with my daughter, maybe. Go for a walk. Mexican food again or no? I'm not sure. Something to digest well, because I'm going to be up all night. Okay. Final story, the draft, just a few hours away. And according to Diana Rusini, who's coming on the show here shortly,

the Rams, Colin, are making calls to trade up from 19 to land somewhere in the top 10. The Rams have not had a first round pick since 2016. Does feel maybe out of character for McVeigh to move up, but McVehanes need are... Okay, let's ask yourself. What do they need? They lost Aaron Donald. Yeah, but you can get Newton from Illinois at 19 defensive tackle. Maybe they love Murphy.

Again, you don't have to move up far for him. If you're moving up, my takeaway is you move up three to four spots and get Brock Bowers. Because Tyler Higby got hurt. Moving up for a tight end? Well, I'm throwing it out. I'm not saying that's it. Okay. So I know this.

They like their tackles. They do like their tackles. and there's enough good tackles that at 19, they can get a tackle. They can get a tackle. So it might take it away. What are they moving up for? It's either a quarterback. Well, they want to draft the quarterback,

and they may go to the second round to get it, but they know a lot of people in the second want Pratt. So my takeaway is, I know the Colts want to tie that. So the bottom line is, Higby got hurt. They brought in Parkinson from Seattle, Colby, the Stanford kid, tied end. they're okay at Tide End if Higby not ready to go. But Puka Cooper Cup are their receivers. And I think they believe, and I'll tell you this, I've talked to two people.

They love Brock Bowers. They just don't love them as a top seven or eight pick. But when Greg Kosell says, he does this, he may be the greatest I've ever seen. Greg Kosell, 44 years watching. Ever? That's what he said. So. Now, again, you're not moving up from 19 and 9.

Are you moving up? Does she say in top 10? To land somewhere in the top 10. Let me ask. Are the Rams Super Bowl contenders in the NFC? Absolutely. So then do you draft a quarterback? They have 11 picks. And they nailed their draft outside of their fourth round pick last year, Stetson Bennett.

They nailed a lot of picks. That's right. So they have a first, a second, two-thirds. I thought they were going to move back to get a fourth. So the quarterback could make sense. Remember, Stafford has that big cut. contract, he's had an injury history. Do you get your quarterback here for the future the way the Packers drafted Jordan Love when they had Aaron Rogers? You let it bake. And then a couple

years later, your quarterback's ready to dominate. So, I mean, when I hear this, I could see the Rams moving up. Inside the top 10, I don't, I don't know. They like their tackles. Now, Havenstein may retire in a year, but again, you could stay at 19 and get a tackle. Wide receiver, they're not going to, I mean, I don't think they're going to, because they hit a home run with Pooka and Nacoula. What are they looking for? I think there's things they need. But trading up for some of those positions.

Edge rusher. So would they move up for Jared Verst from Florida State? That is the one player that's interesting. But I don't think he's a top 10 pick. I think he's like 13, 14. Trading up for an edge rusher? I just, I don't know that that makes sense. Well, I think I would always be willing to move up.

Remember, quarterback, left tackle, weapon, pass rusher. That's the league. So those positions you can move up for it. Yeah, I mean, Jared versus good player. I think he was 22 years old. I will tell you this, even though McVeigh is an offensive guy, Sean is bright. Sean understands the value of defense.

Like he doesn't want. They lost more at Rugby Morris. Didn't the lion's scored? They hit two home runs last year in the third round on defensive players, but they need another edge rusher. Now, I think you can stay there or move up slightly to get it. I think the lion scored like the first three times they had the ball. This is amazing. I can't believe this.

Diana Rusini's on next. Mobile C. I can see them moving up. Top 10. I don't know what they need. I don't know what it is. Jared versus somebody I think they like. But he's more in the 12-13.

Yeah. I just think that front office is too smart to trade up. If anything, trade back, get more bites at the Apple. You get 13 draft picks. Okay. You're damn well going to hit at least five. Indianapolis drafts where? 15.

Bowers. Okay, here's my take. If Brock Bowers isn't taken, they'll move up to 14 to get him. Because they Colts want him. I could see him moving up there. But I thought my guess was this whole draft. They were going to move back about five spots. Because I think there's some defensive linemen they like,

edge rushers that Chop Robinson Penn State could be there. He's nice. That's my guess. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News. All right, Diana's next.

I've got to figure this out with the Rams. I don't know what I've got to get on the phone. I don't know what it is. I don't know who they like in the top 10. They're not really a move-up team. They're a move-back team. Blank them picks. I mean, who knows?

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This is crazy. So we just got into this discussion. Look at her smirk on her face. That's somebody that's got information. My smirk is because you're fighting the information rather than just sitting back and hugging it and embracing and feeling grateful for it. You're so mad that the Rams are making calls in the top 10 right now to try to get up. Okay.

Well, you're okay. We've established maybe I'm not sure what to do. My take is they don't need a quarterback. They like their tackles. Jared Verst, but I don't think he's a top 10 picks. Are we sure it's a top 10 move? Are you questioning my report? Yes, Colin.

I wouldn't put it out there if it wasn't true. It's my job, right? So it's accurate. So they've been working the phones trying to move up because, as you know, when it comes to the draft, there's a lot of organizations with the philosophy. If you love a guy, you go get them. and you do what it takes.

And there's obviously a player that Sean McVeigh is in love with right now, and they are willing for the first time since 2016 with that first round pick, move up to go get that guy. So we don't know who that's going to be just yet, but we could probably go through it all. I can tell you, I do not believe this to be a quarterback, right? So there have been some people that have thought that maybe this is a direction they would go with Matthew Stafford getting older.

and perhaps they're being a need there in the backup position. But I don't really believe that that's the direction they're going in, especially knowing the other quarterback situations that are happening at the top of the draft. So my guess was Jared versus, I mean, they need an edge rusher. And, you know, they don't need to tackle a quarterback and they've got two. My guess is Brock Bowers, the tight end from Georgia, who Greg Cosell said an hour ago, is the best. he's ever seen on tape. Greg CoSell

is not hyperbolic. So my take is Tyler Higby got hurt in the final game. They went and got a backup from Seattle. Tyler's expensive. You don't want to pay tight ends a lot of money. That is my get. I know you can't say and everything like that. But Mike, I'm just doing process of elimination.

They need an edge. I know they're interested in tight end. They would get a receiver, but this is a receiver rich draft. They don't need a tackle. Jared verse they like, but he'll be available at 14. That's my guess. Okay, so there we go. I think it would make a look. I think it would make sense if they're going to make this

kind of move to go after an offensive type player knowing Sean probably wants another toy there. You know, so Brock Bowers would make that that would not shock me at all. And obviously, Greg Coussel knows a lot and he knows a lot of these things. So I don't think any of us are going to be shocked. I'm just concerned, though, because I had heard the Jets had really liked Bowers as well there. So I'm curious who they're going to be able to get in front or who they're going to be able to trade out with if this can even happen to try to make that move to beat the Jets, let's say,

if it is Bowers that they're going after. Look how fast this kid. A lot can happen, Colin. Like, we've got a lot of time here. But the fact, it tells you a lot that they're already making these calls in here, and I've now heard it from two different teams. So they're aggressive here trying to make this happen. Yeah, I'll go Brock Bowers.

that's my guess. I know the Higbee injury concerned them, and I know they don't want to pay a ton. They just, they don't want to pay a ton to tied ends, so that's my guess. Okay. Broncos at 12. So I heard another story there moving up. Not from you. My guess is they want Nix, but they could get him later.

Give me, what, well, again, you're smiling at me. At this point. I laugh at because you're like, not from you. Like, actually it was from me. I put a column out yesterday on the athletic, and I went very aggressive saying that the Denver Broncos are in the quarterback market. Yes, Zach Wilson's there. Awesome.

Great. I think he will be a great quarterback project. For Sean Payton, who I do believe, believes that Zach Wilson has some talent and maybe perhaps just a new change of environment, a new staff. Davis Webb, obviously, they are the quarterbacks coach that everyone raves about out there in Denver. So he's not the starter, though. Zach Wilson was not traded to be the starter. So Broncos need a quarterback, and I believe that Sean Payton is going to put together a package if there's a guy there that he loves.

When he was in New Orleans and him and Mickey Loomis worked together, that was always that philosophy in that building. If you love him, go get him. So if Sean McVeigh, excuse me, if Sean Peyton has a quarterback right now that he loves, I would not put it past him to put everything together. There's a package that would blow the doors off just to get the guy. It's just, is there a quarterback that's going to be available that he's going to do that for? And is there going to be a team open to doing that?

Finally, Patriots, third pick. I could argue they should move back and improve the roster. I could argue get Drake May. What's your hunch on New England, number three? I think if Bill Belichick was there, they would trade out. I think they would try to build this thing, just how we saw in Houston. But I have a good feeling, and I think the teams that are calling to move up there believe that Drake May is going to be their selection. A few days ago, I was told that there were people in that building that really like JJ McCarthy, right?

And they were just trying to all get on the same page. It happens. We know this time of year, especially with the newer staff, obviously ownership here overseeing all of this, making sure they get this right. They want a quarterback. And sometimes that pressure, you know, why take any risks of missing out on getting a quarterback to move out to try to get back up and take that risk of not getting back up? And that's the problem. And that's really where I'm sensing some anxiety from a lot of different teams right now that are in the quarterback market. Nobody wants to get boxed out.

So it's going to be really interesting to see who's going to be the first team to trade out. and right now for me it feels that the Chargers would be the team most open to moving out for a team that is hungry for a quarterback. All right. Senior NFL insider of the athletic. I'm not mad at me. I'm not mad. I just, the Rams, this is aggressive. This is less as being aggressive. And so to me, to do that move, you're not getting Caleb and you're not getting Harrison.

So we have three players that are considered all-time talents. Caleb is an all-timer Harrison's an all-timer Brock Bowers is an all-timer Rest of these guys are Joe Alt's good He's not Trent Williams We got three all-time talents Sean's not moving up

For a guy Who's good He's not getting Caleb But he's not getting Harrison So my guess is The Georgia Okay He's in love

Yeah well you know what happens When you're in love What happens? Tell me starry eyes you go crazy you know look they're aggressive they're just making those calls right it doesn't mean anything's done it doesn't mean it's going to happen

but the fact that they're poking around and apparently pretty determined to get in there tells you they got a plan good stuff great seeing you as always great seeing you love seeing you guys thanks for having me all right yeah Sean McVe's not moving up for a good player

and there's three difference makers like people literally are saying this is the best in 10 years. Caleb, Harrison, and Brock Bowers. So to me, the Rams, if they move up, it's Brock Bowers. Now, you probably want to get ahead of the Jets. So my guess is they would move up.

Oh, oh, oh, the Bears have the 9th. The Bears move back to 19th with the Rams. So my guess is the Rams are trading with the bears to get Brock Bowers. That's a hunch. But that's my guess. They want to get ahead of the Jets. Because Bowers, Indy wants him, the Jets. That's rumored to have him on their radar.

My guess would be, Rams move up. Bears want to move back anyway, which I think would be a great move because the bears, I think I only only have four picks. I think the bears want more picks. And the Rams, you're not moving up. There's no way, you got Matt Stafford. It's like Steph Curry and the Warriors. You've got to be on Stafford's timeline.

So obviously McVeigh looks at this and thinks, who can come in in play? Harrison, Bowers, Caleb. those guys are coming in and playing. Some people think the LSU receiver is in that. Neighbors is also in that. I'm going to produce day one. So this would fall into the, well,

you can't draft a tight end high. It doesn't work. It's not smart. Well, well, if McVeigh gets Bowers, I mean, he's going to be awesome.

That's a given. Lock it up. McVeigh, Stafford, Kiron Williams, Puka, Cooper Cup, Brock Bowers. Their tight end depth chart is Tyler Higby.

Hurt. Colby Parkinson. Back up. Davis Allen. Nice, Clemson, good, solid. Hunter Long. They need a star. And again, I think McVeigh looks at it and thinks,

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