The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 3 - Aaron Rodgers, Joel Klatt

Episode Date: December 30, 2021

Colin Cowherd discusses Packers QB Aaron Rodgers future with the team after not ruling out retirement. FOX Sports CFB Analyst Joel Klatt joins Colin to discuss Oklahoma's victory over Oregon, USC Lincoln Riley and more from Bowl Season! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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lifetime guarantee equality. Want 20% off? Go to Faritybrand.com slash herd code herd 20. I was just saying, I'm not going to get into my Michael Jordan LeBron topic. It's very interesting. But it is, you know, you hear all these comparisons.

And I don't know how you can compare, you know, Jordan at 34 retired and then came back at 37. Well, he was all washed up. I mean, if you took three years off as an athlete from your sport, good luck coming back and chopping it up. Whereas LeBron, you know, at 37, has been playing. He's had little injuries. but at 34 when Michael retired,

I think he was better than LeBron at 34. And they're both great. But I guess why I would say, Michael always burned hotter than LeBron. His highs were higher. His intensity was greater. LeBron, and you see this in music all the time, LeBron wins the longevity production argument.

I've never watched Tom Brady and thought, that's the best quarterback I've ever seen. But he wins the goat because production, it's like the Who. I don't think the Who's the best band I've ever seen. but if you start stacking up their albums sold and their tickets sold, they're going to win the argument as one of the goat bands. Same with you too, because they're around forever, and they are good.

I'm not denying the greatness of the Who, but like Cobain, Hendrix, Jim Morrison, I all like them. I think they're greater. They just burned hotter. Michael burned hot, cigar chomping. I mean, he was just Michael lived playing cards, smoking cigars, late nights, Michael burned hot. And that was the generation.

You know, and then there's the LeBron generation and the Russell Wilson. Those guys take care of their body. Like they go to bed early. They've got, you know, the six times a week. It's a yoga class. It's a masseuse. It's a different life. Athletes in the 70s and 80s.

I was watching some John Madden stuff on the internet the other day. It was crazy. There was a point where Jim McMahon had a concussion and they were going to bring him back in the game. And John Madden, the late John Madden said, he goes, you know, it's my rule that if a guy's got a concussion, you can't bring him back in the game. And John Madden said, you know, in boxing, if you get a concussion, you can't fight for a month minimum. That now is not even a discussion.

We have a protocol. You get a concussion. You may not play for three weeks. Guys got concussions. They brought him back in. It was John Madden who said, I don't like, if a guy gets a concussion, he's out for the game. So it's just a different world. Michael lived a lot of his generation was the league was tackling players harder.

You smoke cigars, you drank, late night card games. But Michael, at his best, burned hotter and was greater. He was, you know, not to compare him to, you know, a rock star that has passed. But, I mean, there was a Cobainish, a Morris and Henrik. Like, you can't even, it's just like, it's iconic. It's like, you've never seen anything like that. LeBron does more things well, and he's great too. But he's going to win all the stats and stuff because the longevity takes better care of his body.

but that's the generation he grew up in. I mean, it used to be in this business. People literally would scream and yell at their callers all day, and it was all you did was take calls. And then research came out that people don't like calls, and that's the lowest rating you can ever get is when you take calls. And so we've all pivoted to a different sort of brand of doing this, right? Simulcasting and radio shows are on TV, and you have more guests and blah, blah, blah.

But there's just generational changes. But when anybody compares these two, it's, you know, Michael George, Jordan used to say this. You can't go generation to generation. Bill Russell won 11 titles. He's not even as big as a power forward. He looks like a, there are twos. I mean, he was 6-8. He wasn't really a score. He was a defender. Like Dave Cowens, and I grew up as a kid for the Boston Celtics, Dave Cowens was like 6-8. He was a center. Six-eight, eight, Dirk Nabitsky seven feet shooting three-pointers. Like the world's changed. Joy of the news.

No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, thank you for that transition. Colin, today is LeBron's 37th birthday. Oh, congratulations on the 37th for LeBron. You've earned it. Yes, he's played many, many, many seasons, 19 of them, in fact. And he doesn't want to focus on how much longer he's going to play in the league.

He understands that his days as an NBA superstar might be numbered. They're playing at such a high level. I've been giving it too much thought. But, I mean, you're 19. And like I said, I'm not going to do another 19, so I'm definitely not halfway in my career. I'm on the other side of the hill. So we'll see what the game takes me. We'll see what my body takes me in my mind.

I've put in enough hours and punched enough clocks where when that time come, I'll be okay with it. That is a very interesting comment from LeBron. We don't generally hear athletes of LeBron's stature talk about the end. so clearly. Like saying I'm on the other side of the hill and when it happens, I'll be okay. I'll be at peace with it. Well, he never used to get hurt,

and he gets hurt regularly, and that's your body telling you. Father time's right around the corner. Well, he's having a pretty unbelievable season. He had 37.13 rebounds, seven assists, and five turnovers last night. He's averaging 28 points per game. That's the highest since his 2009,

2010 season in Cleveland. He's also averaging 7.2 rebounds and 6.8 assists. So it's not because of his level of play that this is a question from him. But he has played an additional, on top of his 19 seasons, he's played an additional 266 playoff games in his career. So that equates to an additional three and a quarter regular seasons.

Yeah, I mean, it's so, again, he's going to blow Jordan away in all the stats. He does a lot of things well. He takes care of his body. Generationally, he's built the play for a long time. But I would still contend at 34, Michael and at 34, LeBron. if he gave me one game, I would take Michael. Just one game. He's also played another 24 games in the Olympics.

There's a lot. So 266, 24, like, adding all of that up on top of the 19 season that he's played. And obviously, when you're talking about the playoff games, those are hard games. So he's played a lot of basketball. We're talking a lot about retirement. We were talking about Ben earlier. I do think about what the league is going to look like without LeBron, because obviously we've had him in our lives for two decades.

I think it'll be fine. There's a lot of young stars, and I think they're likable. I don't think it's going to be the drop-off that, the, oh, God, no. The drama that will be projected to it. No, because when Jordan left, we wanted more from Michael. Right. I mean, we wanted, like, he quit for baseball. He quit at 34.

When Michael left, a lot of people were shocked and sad. Michael just said, I'm on my terms by. With LeBron, it's the opposite. It's like, I think there's some fatigue. We're like, well, I mean, we also, I don't, I feel like, LeBron has nothing left to prove. Exactly. Whereas Michael, you're like...

Like, I'm not going to miss seeing LeBron play when he retires, but I've also soaked up everything of LeBron's career. And I think the league is in a different space now than it was when Michael left. Like, there's much more marketable superstars. You're able to watch games all over the country, all over the world. It's just a different league now. So, Zique has been dealing with a knee injury for majority of the season. He expects to be in good shape when the playoffs arrive.

He says he's very encouraged about how his knee is progressed. He has more stability and he feels faster and more exclusive. He believes he'll be 100% for the postseason. So that's good news for the Cowboys. Yes. Big play action from Zeke. So Matt Rule has announced that Sam Darnold will be the starter Sunday against the Saints. Finally.

It's another couple games to show his stuff. He's taking place of Cam Dune, who's obviously been struggling since he returned to Carolina. Darnold saw his first game action since his shoulder injury last Sunday against the Bucks. and this will be his first start since week nine. Cam's definitely had some issues, obviously, since coming back. They haven't won since he has been back. They're 0 and 5 with him as a starter. Nobody's worked.

Met rules 10 and 21 is the Panthers head coach. Yeah, no, and not in a great division either. I mean, Atlanta and New Orleans lost breeze. So, yeah, I mean, it's Sam's been bad. I'll watch, I'll see, let me see. You know, Sam, forget all the reckless play. Sam gets hurt a lot. Sam's not available a lot.

So either he's going to tweak his game or he's going to be out of the league. Like you can't be unavailable six times a year. It's not the way of the game. I just don't know what the Panthers are going to do. They're 26 and points per game, 28th and yards per game offensively. They're 19th in points allowed per game. Second and yards allowed per game defensively. They're a mess all across the board.

They need so much help. Christian McCaffrey to be healthy. They've got to find a quarterback. They are up against it this offseason. They are. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The Heard line news. We've got a lot to discuss here with the Clatster. Joel Clatt, voice of college football, Fox Sports, 44 school records as the Buffalo starting quarterback. Excellent. We got Bama Cincinnati, Georgia, Michigan, Utah, Ohio State. Lots going on. First of all, Merry Christmas.

Happy New Year to both of you. Happy New Year Christmas. Happy all that stuff. I won some money last night. You did. I bet Oklahoma big last night. Yeah, that was a good bet. So my theory was when Mario Christmas.

of all left, a little bit of a vacuum, and it felt like Oregon was reeling when Lincoln Riley left. That could have been the case, but Stoop stepped in, kept him energized, and I think Bob Stoops deserves a lot of credit last night. So Oklahoma's going to be fine. I mean, they're going to find their life's a little tougher going to Tuscaloosa than Lubbock a couple years. We're going to find that out very quickly. But nonetheless, I thought it was a college football, especially in these smaller towns,

it's a heartbeat. It's the soul of the community. What do you know about small towns? Listen, I grew up hard scrabble life. Is that right? Up hill both ways. Is that right? So, but I thought Stoopsie yesterday, that was great for college football.

I totally agree. And I think that his status has been cemented certainly with that fan base because they're going to revere him forever for stepping into this gap. Yes. And it was nasty. Listen, you know, if you were online in my position, you saw and heard, I guess, or read the vitriol coming from sooner fans. Oh, petty. You know, when Lincoln Riley decided to go to USC, it was real. They were not happy.

This was someone that's never had to deal with this before. And then all of a sudden, it was like the person in high school that never got dumped, that got dumped for their first time was like, what? Me? Absolutely not. They were mad. And everybody in the country can see it except Sooner fans. That's right.

We all know you got dumped. Stop with the, it's how he left. That's how coaches leave now with a double signing period. Well, the calendar certainly doesn't help, and we've been over that. But last night was a beautiful thing. It really was. I especially loved this guy's a legend in the Oklahoma community. And in large part in college football.

He's a college football Hall of Famer was inducted this year. To see the young players, you know, we often criticize young athletes for not knowing the history of their own game and just not understanding the scope or the history or the gravity of what's going on. I felt like the sooner players understood what they were getting able to do, which was play for Bob Stoops. Some of them had been recruited by Bob, remember. And so to see them really circle the wagons to take a silly sooner term and come together and play like they did.

I thought it was one of their best performances of the year, by the way. This is a team that did not play up to their expectations all year long. And last night, they were fantastic against Oregon. And congratulations to Bob Stoops. one compliment I can pay a coach. That's the highest compliment I can possibly pay a coach, which is I would have loved to have played for Bob

Stoops. What a great man. You know my highest compliment I can pay a coach? That he bolts his team and comes to USC. Is that right? That's the highest compliment I can pay a coach. I see. You come to coach the Trojans. I see. All right. Here we go. Alabama, Cincinnati. Okay, so Sabin's 41 and two against non-power

five teams. Their favorite to win. Is there a matchup that if Cincinnati, because they got some NFL people here, if they do, if Cincinnati could win a matchup, it'd be like, we got a football game. What would the matchup mean? Well, see, this Bama team is not quite as complete as former Bama teams. Totally fair. I think that that's fair. Totally fair. And the games this year and how they've played out are evidence of that, in particular the game against Auburn, right? In a game in which they probably should have lost the game. Arkansas game fits. Arkansas game fits. Obviously A&M ended up beating them.

If you can defend on the edge, you've got a shot. Yeah, the corners. The corners. And it just so happens that as a tandem, Cincinnati's got two pros. Has two pros and two guys that as a tandem are some of the better tandem in all of college football. Ahmad Gardner, his name, Soss Gardner. He is a All-American will be a first-round draft pick. This is not just like, hey, he's good for Cincinnati.

No, no, no. Bonafide first-round draft pick and next spring's NFL draft. the other side, it's the Thorpe Award winner from this season, Kobe Bryant. This is one of those matchups where I'm like, okay, wait, hold on a second. Alabama specifically beat Georgia the way that they did because Bryce Young is great. They've got two wide receivers that can get after it, and Jameson Williams and John Mechie. Now all of a sudden Cincinnati has at least two guys that maybe force Bryce Young to hold the ball for a beat. Yeah. And maybe you don't throw the ball quite on rhythm. So it's a matchup that you could actually say, listen,

Cincinnati might have a better chance than we all think in this game because of those two players. They also, Cincinnati has an NFL first round quarterback, and that always helps if you want to beat Sabin. It's going to be close to a first round. It's a down quarterback class, and I'm sure we'll get into that at some point. But Ritter is in that conversation. Desmond Ritter, he's played a lot of football. Of the quarterbacks in the playoffs, he's certainly the most experienced. He wins a lot of games.

He's won over 30 games in his career, and they can run the football. Listen, I'm not picking Cincinnati. I just think that, what is it, 13 right now? Is that where it's at? I know it's kind of moved. That's a lot. That's a lot. I think this is a better game than people are going to give a credit for.

Remember, this is a team in Cincinnati that stood toe to toe against Georgia last year, so I don't think they're going to be overwhelmed. I watched them go into Notre Dame and the first half completely knock them off the line of scrimmage. Remember, the last time Notre Dame got beat in South Bend was a really good Georgia team multiple years ago. Barely. Clemson went in as a number one team and lost in South Base. You don't just roll into South Bend, even though you like to take shots at South Bend. No.

Yes, yeah. Middle of the country. It's cold. Academics are tough. Well, that's not a criticism. Well, sure it is. You've made it a criticism over the years. People in Notre Dame love me.

Do they? Yeah. Just like the people in Iowa, right? You Iowaans out there? Those people, Oklahoma and Iowa is not a fan of the show. I mean, they watch, but they don't want to. Okay, so Michigan, George, I had this conversation the other day in the hotel lobby. I had somebody come up to me and want autographs and stuff.

Anyway, so he came up and took multiple selfies with his family. And I said to him, he goes, who do you like in the big game? And I said, I think Michigan, I said, I don't know. Georgia doesn't even know what they have at quarterback right now. I said, I think Michigan's got a shot to beat him. I think it's good for the sport. I don't trust, by the way, Georgia, as great as they are, they shrink a little. They shrink in big games.

I think Michigan's got a shot. What's the key matchup in that game? I think that the key matchup for Michigan is their ability to retain the ability to throw play action pass. It's really easy to get scared away from trying to run the football against Georgia. Because their front seven defensively is the best in college football. They are great in the defensive front seven. So don't give up on the run. You can't give up on the run because that's where Michigan has to build its success,

in particular early in the game, in order to get to the things that really make them explosive. If I told you this in the herd for the holidays, did you know that Michigan is actually the offense in the country that has the most 50-yard plays or more in the season? That's the best stat in the country. They're the biggest playoffense in America that no one talks about. Because we look at their O-Lon, they've got like three or four NFL guys. We think it are a power running team. That's right. But it sets up the deep ball.

And they are a power running team, and they can do that. And they have one game solely because they can get big and physical and pound teams like Ohio State. second half, but it's also the wrinkles that they throw in. And Josh Gattis, the offensive coordinator, has done a marvelous job. By the way, he won the Broils Award as the top assistant coach in college football, and rightly so. And the reason is, is because he times his wrinkles as well as anybody out there. As a play caller, you're going to see power football, power football, and then a reverse, and then a double pass, like we saw against Iowa when the Big Ten championship game. And those wrinkles are what allow for those explosive plays. But call them, they have to be built off of the

back of running the ball and sustaining the run. And so their ability to do that early, that's where the matchup is, that offensive line, this is a good off. Oh, I can't wait for this matchup. That offensive line against the front seven for Georgia is going to be a Titanic affair, and I can't wait to see it. Ohio State, Utah, watch out for that one. More with the Clatster.

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this mentality thing is something that I worry about. Because when you've got Chris Olave opting out and Garrett Wilson opting out. You understand it, right? You understand because they're great receivers. They're great receivers. They're going to the National Football League and you understand it. Now, as a competitor, I would rather see guys exhaust their opportunities because opportunities don't come across every day. And I think when they get older, they're going to realize that the only game bigger than

playing in the Rose Bowl is playing in the Super Bowl. Yeah. And there's no guarantees you're going to play in the Super Bowl. And when you threw away the opportunity to play in the Rose Bowl, I think when they get to my age and your age, they're going to be like, you know what? I wish I would have done that. I've talked to USC guys. I've talked to so many people. I've talked to Michigan football players. You do not understand the Rose Bowl. You think it's a California thing.

The Rose Bowl gets a 10 rating in New York City. It's the only place in the country that's 71. And the San Gabriel Mountains, everybody I know that's played in a Rose Bowl, Texas football guys are like, man, that USC game. That's with you forever. And so mentality is a concern for Ohio State because of that. Now, having said that, I think that this is still a really talented team.

And what people will fail to realize is that their backup wide receivers would start everywhere else in the Big Ten, maybe everywhere else in the country. Remember now, they've got Ameca Abuka, who is a number one wide receiver. They've got Julian Fleming, who was a number one wide receiver in his class. They've got Marvin Harrison Jr.,

who's an absolute freak. These are all backups to these other guys that are now stepping away. So I'll be interested to see this game. But watch out for Utah. Do you know Utah is when I think 14 of the old. last 15 bowl games or something? I absolutely believe it. They always get in a good bowl.

They come in as an underdog. And because they've always had great coach, they have NFL defensive linemen so they can play with all the Alabama's and the Ohio states. They beat Alabama the last time they faced them in a bowl. So Utah's one of those schools. They never have the first round quarterback. But if you ask coaches about them, Pete Carroll would have told you this. You're going up against NFL guys.

Yes. And if you want to compete with the Ohio states and the Bamas and these big bowls, it's all your front. And they got like three or four. NFL guys up front. There's no doubt. And watch out for Devin Lloyd. Okay. Devon Lloyd is going to be a bona fide

NFL star on the defensive side as a linebacker. Got to meet him, by the way, out here. There was an award ceremony that I emceived for the Lott Impact Award. And Aiden Hutchison ended up winning it, but Devin Lloyd was up for it. And got to meet him and, man, he was excited about

this game. This was a month ago, and he's like, I cannot wait for the Rose Bowl. I can't. I can't. I think it's going to be very close. And I like all these bowl games. Some are goofy and named after weed eaters and stuff. By the way, what's this like, who wants to reduce the number of football games? I don't understand the take of, oh, there's too many bowl games. What do you mean too many?

Too much football? Too much football. Is that the take that we're going to have right now? There's too much football? I'm sorry. I'm zero percent on board with that. I love ice cream. What if you had it for breakfast this morning?

You wouldn't like it. Maybe I did, Colin. Maybe I did, because I also love ice cream. Maybe you sprinkle a little sea salt. on top. I don't know. Maybe some chocolate chip shavings, right? Because that's delicious. I'm going to throw something at you. I'm going to ask for your guidance on this.

So I am a man of refined taste. I bet you are. And a man of means. And I was thinking about this. Oh my God. So for some reason I don't know. Half America just threw up in their mouth, but please continue. Okay, so I'm just thinking about this. There are universities like I always like Michigan.

I'm sure you did. You're a man of great means. Well, law school, a hospital. I always like Michigan over Ohio. in terms of the, I just thought I liked the brand. Like I grew up with Rose Bowls in Michigan. I didn't grow up. I remember Washington in Michigan, so I always loved the song, the stadium. I had an agent from there,

a lawyer from there. I always like, I know so many people from Michigan. Nothing against the Buckeyes. Same. I always like. This is the segment of the every man right here. Okay. I had an agent and a lawyer. Well, I mean, again, this. Well, you're a man of means. So then, I was always a Texas fan over Oklahoma. Even though I know

Oklahoma's the better program. Well, yeah, you're snootier. I get it. Listen, I get it. Both of these, listen, Michigan's snootier than Ohio State, Texas is snootier than Oklahoma. I get it. You're on brand. You don't have to apologize. Be authentic. I want your opinion, though.

I want to reach out to Oklahoma fans who hate me. Right here? Right here. I'm going to buy 10 acres of land outside of Norman. I want to put a statue of Lincoln Riley right in the middle, no trespassing signs. And I'm going to go to Realtor.com today. I'm going to buy 10 acres right out. side of Norman, and then I'm going to have a bouncy house with Lincoln Riley's face on it for the

kids to come and play. What do you think of that idea? I think it's an awful idea. I think it's patronizing, and I think you'll get run out of town if I lived there. If you lived there, that's right. All right, so everybody's talking about a lousy quarterback draft. So the guy that's fascinating to me, because I've seen all of them except Malik Willis play, he's a kid from Liberty. Yep. I don't like, I don't love any of them. But here's why Kenny Pickett's interesting. Ooh, I'm glad you've brought this in a name. Okay. So I always go back. He's a pretty easy thrower. The ball comes out, not a big arm, but an easy thrower. He's big. A lot of starts. Loved in the locker room. Kind of a Daniel Jones, you get him around the corner, he can run a little bit. He can.

I think he's sneakier on the edge than you would expect. I had an NFL GM say, we looked at him two years ago. We thought he was interesting, but he's never gotten better. And my takeaway is, well, you guys said that about Justin Herbert. So here's Clatt's top five prospects. I'm not going to be negative against kids. I don't want to talk about the other guys. Just Pickett. Okay, let's talk about Pickett. He is big enough, fast enough.

He doesn't push the ball down to feel. He's not a big, strong Herbert arm. Kenny Pickett looks like to me. So you got him number two. Coral's too small. He's a little cocky for my taste. I said I wouldn't get into it. I'll move on.

Pickett fascinates me. Tell me what I don't know. Well, you hit a lot of it. Here's why, let me just tell you why I am intrigued with Kenny Pickett. is it's the experience. He's been around and we're starting to see this trend of quarterbacks that have played a lot of football in their college career or have been kind of around the block, if you will. Like Kyler Murray didn't necessarily have a ton of snaps in college,

but he had been around the block. He had a lot of experience, life experience, if you will. Baker Mayfield, a lot of experience. Joe Burrow, lots of experience. Mack Jones, lots of experience. Again, maybe not in pure rest. but experience through his time at Alabama. And now all of a sudden, that's the vein in which I see in view.

Kenny Pickett. You could throw Herbert, by the way, in that, or a guy like Josh Allen from Wyoming. He moves pretty well. He moves pretty well. And then you've heard me talk about this before. The last 10 quarterbacks to win Super Bowls, if you take a look at what they averaged in terms of their experience equation

in college, what you'll see is on average, those 10 quarterbacks, you know, these are the Mahomes and Brady's and Eli and all these different guys. you'll see guys that on average have attempted over 1,200 passes in their college career. Over 1,200. In fact, the two guys of the last 10 to win Super Bowls in the NFL, the two guys that have the fewest number of college passing attempts under their belt are Tom Brady and Aaron Rogers. Everybody else has a vast wealth of knowledge and experience. Well, guess how many reps Kenny Pickett has had?

How many attempts he's had in college? 1,600. So if the average is 1,200 for guys that have won Super Bowl, I would wrap. rather have a guy that's had 1600 reps. I know what I'm getting. I've got a guy that's experienced. He's an easier thrower of the ball than some, and he's also very accurate with the football,

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I don't want to sound like a scout even though I have a labyrinth of sourcing in the NFL. So when Pickett throws the ball, this is going to, you'll get it. I like, he's a little sloppy. I like urgency. I like the way the Brady hip turn, the Herbert hip turn. Kenny's kind of a, I don't love his footwork. It's kind of like he's an athlete. He gets away.

Kenny's got, knows the game enough, enough snaps. When he throws the ball, I don't get that intense urgency. Now, again, we all know all this, but in the pocket, he can be a little loose for me. Is that a phase? A little loose for me. I don't think that that's a poor criticism. In fact, if he was tighter mechanically in the pocket, he would be my number one guy. Okay, there you go.

And it's because the ball has to be out on time. Remember, the bottom line and quarterback playing, you're going to hear me talk about this with Colin throughout this draft process. On time, on target. Can you get there? I'm glad you talked me out of that Norman Oklahoma real estate purchase. That was a bad thing. Yeah, well, sometimes I make mistakes. Joy is just my friend.

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