The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - Aaron Rodgers' last season

Episode Date: June 25, 2025

Former New England Patriot Julian Edelman joins The Herd to talk about, Aaron Rodgers last season with the Steelers, when he knew he was going to retire, what he sees in QB Drake Maye, and moreSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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iHeart Radio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. You see Julian Edelman on Fox NFL kickoff, Sundays in the fall. He's got his podcast games with names, and he is joining us. So we haven't had you on since Aaron Rogers joined the Steelers. Aaron yesterday is saying it's probably it, 20 years. I've done my thing. So first of all, your take on Aaron joining a defensive culture that, by the way, won 10 games last year

and was fairly anemic post- Thanksgiving. on offense, how's he going to do? I think they're going to be a solid football team, as they always are. I think they'll be a little better than last year. Do I think they're going to win a Super Bowl? No. I love Mike Tomlin. I love the culture.

I love the defense. I like Arthur Smith. But how fast can they get that machine going? Aaron doesn't know his teammates at all yet. Once again, he's going into another year behind. When he did that last time, they didn't have a good first eight weeks. That's right. And then he turned it on at the end because he started learning his teammates.

So I like the move. It's the best thing for the Steelers right now. And Aaron, he's going to a team that's not terrible. If he wants to continue his football career, that's awesome. He gets an opportunity to do it at one of the pillars of the National Football League. But do I think they're going to win a Super Bowl? No. I don't. I think they'll be a little better.

They're 29th in offensive line last year. They didn't address it at all. They have the same offensive line. They get rid of one of their running backs that was pretty productive, but that kind of didn't hit the way they wanted with Harris. Like, when he was a first-round draft pick five years ago, and it was never the guy guy, Warren came in, did well. How are they going to use that running game to help Aaron?

Arthur Smith does a good job at that. Are they going to win a Super Bowl? I don't think so. You know, think about this with Aaron. When did he have his most? success. When he worked with the receivers he knew, Jordy Nelson, Greg Jennings, those took

years. Years. When the Packers, receivers got young at the end in Green Bay, it wasn't good. He goes to the Jets. He doesn't know the receivers. Not good. He goes to the Steelers. D.K. Metcalf doesn't know him. It's funny. Like Tom

Brady had to build trust. Tom at the end of New England, I'm out. Now, it did work after about 12 games in Tampa, but Chris God would have Mike Evans are pretty good, right? Bruce Ariens as coach. That was also a COVID year, mind you. They didn't get to prepare the way they could prepare. So you can't even put those guys in the same sentence because we didn't know it was

Tom Brady's last year when it was last year. Right. He didn't want the distraction of that. He wanted to go out and play his best possible football that he could play the last year of his career without making it a distraction. Now, you know, we know it's his last year and we've heard that before. When you were going, did you know it was your last year? Did you have a sense going into the last off season? This may be it. If I get banged up, I may not do it. No. No. It wasn't until

my last year finished. That's, that last game finished, that's when I knew my career was over, probably. Because I just wasn't, I was trying to recover from a, you know, a knee thing, a root tear, and the amount of energy I was putting in. I used to get this much output. The amount of energy I was putting in was up here, and I'm getting this much output. I can never recover and get my knee right. It was going to be a long road for me to go down that road. And you just didn't want to go down that road.

It's interesting, and I saw this with Eli Manning at the end. He didn't want to get hit. Smartly would throw the ball away. I've noticed this a little bit. The last year in Green Bay and in New York, Aaron not going to sit in there. Matt Stafford's one of the only old guys that will sit in the pocket. and get drilled. Yeah.

Most guys don't. That was my take on Aaron in New York. It's like he's going to throw the ball the way early. And I think that is not discussed. That young quarterbacks, it's almost a badge of honor. Josh Allen, Big Ben, bring it on. I'll hold it to the end. One of the disadvantages of an older quarterback,

you see it with Kirk Cousins a little bit, you just don't want to get hit. Yeah, you know, I remember when I told my dad I was retiring. he told me you finally smartened up and he said that because he said it's kind of like a fighter pilot you have to be able to you have to be willing to die doing your job yeah you have to be on that that edge of reckless to go out and do what you have to do and the day where you have to think about going to the reckless is the day you're done yeah you get out so you know the the When you get older, you don't want to get hit as much because you smarten up and you realize that that one hit that you took,

you've had that hit before and it took you two weeks to get back the week the last time. And you were younger. And you were younger. So, I mean, it does take a toll. You know what? I think it's going to be an exciting season. I mean, they're bringing one of the greatest quarterbacks of our generation into a cornerstone franchise with the Steelers. I'm going to watch every game.

Yeah. I can't wait to see it. It's a great move. It's great for the league. But do I think they're going to win in a Super Bowl? No. So you know Mike Frable very well, right? Right?

He's a friend. The last three years I got pretty fortunate. I have picked, I pick a team every year to double their win total. And I think New England's it. So Manjini told me last week that Mike Frable's the smartest football player he ever coached. He said his recall was insane. He could recall. Give me some insight that.

about Vrable that you, maybe it's a person, maybe not as a, you know, a coach or what makes him different? Because a lot of good players don't become good coaches. He's the rare case of being a tough guy that's really smart. That's funny. It's weird. You know, he, he can alpha you with his presence, but he can also offer you with his mouthpiece. Like he knows how he had, he could, like when Manjini said he could recall anything. He could recall, like we'd be at the, the content. Kentucky Derby, and he'd pull out a play that we played against each other when he was with Tennessee, and he said, you know, that one play you did it, and he could just bring it out. I mean, that's what I think is so special about Coach Rable. He's got that alpha mentality, but he's also a really smart guy. So he has both of them. I'm excited to see what they do in New England. I got to go to their camp a couple weeks back, and it looked great. What jumped out to you? What jumped out to me?

Drake made the question he asked me, the hunger that he had. I went in and talked to the team, and afterwards, Drake came by, and they're running the same offense that we were in. He kind of asked me, hey, what do you see on this? It was a smart question. That stood out to me that he didn't have an intimidation factor of being embarrassed to go out and ask a guy a question that's been in the system that he's going to try to go be in.

and that, you know, ask that kind of question. I thought that was big. His leadership, the leadership of the coaches, there was a good tempo, not a lot of standing around. So I'm excited to see what they do this year. So John was joking the other day. Sean Peyton took his camp to Hawaii. And he said, yeah, McVeigh.

And John said, didn't feel very Belichekian. I remember when McVeigh came into the league. He's like, I'm not playing any of my starters in the preseason. It's ridiculous. And it's not a country club because you watch the Rams. That defense is physical. He likes to run the ball. But I do think, not that it's become the NBA,

but it's a more player-friendly league today than five years ago. And I think McVeigh, there's a bit of a Robin Hood. People are following McVeigh's lead, which is you don't have to bark. Like, when you look at them going to Hawaii, how does it land for you? I think it's a cool opportunity. Some of my favorite times as a Patriot is when we would go play in a way game in Green Bay, and then as a team we would go work in San Diego for the week and stay in San Diego for the week and unify as a team.

Like those are unifying team moments. Like you go to the zoo, though. You could go. Well, regardless, your family's there, whatever, but you guys are all together. you're working together. There's no, you're not all going home. You're all going to the hotel. You guys are all going to eat and with each other.

You're going to talk with each other. You're going to be around each other. You're going to be around each other's family. That's great. I don't have a problem with that at all. As long as the time that they use to get ready for football in Hawaii is productive, that's amazing. That's evolution to like workplace people.

You've got to take care of the guys, the horses. So I thought that was a cool thing that McVeigh did. You know, and I'm sure every meeting and walk through or practice that they did was very productive with their time. And that's the difference. You know, you look at other teams that don't practice their guys. Cincinnati Bengals. Zach Taylor don't play the guys in the preseason. They haven't won a game in September in like five years.

Like, you know what I mean? Like, so not everyone's Sean McVeigh. Right, right. Okay, not everyone's Bill Belichick where it's completely different. Everyone's got their rhyme and reason of how they get things going. The best coaches know how to get their players up. So whatever it takes, it takes. But Sean McVey knows with that specific team, he can do that.

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as the Niners. So here's what worries me about the Niners, is that they lost two defensive players that the staff loved. They loved Greenlaw and they loved Huffonga. They couldn't afford them. So first, they're both leaders, they're both tough guys. They both get injured. They play through pain. Those are leader guys. Don't love that. Culture guys.

Really good culture, tough guys. What I also don't like, and I think you can talk about this with New England. They're getting old on offense. McCaffrey's injuries. Trent Williams. Kittle had a great year. And Purdy is a good quarterback, but I do think he's a bit reliant on his protection and the health of, like, Kittle and McCaffrey.

So when a team's best players are predominantly either injured guys are old guys, and now this season is 17 weeks long, go to the oldest Patriot team you played on. Everybody's been banged up, everybody hates rehab, and the guys like maybe a gronk are really valuable. Does it seep into your head? Do you think about it like we've got to be healthy? because I look at this team, Kyle Shannon's great coach, losing record in San Francisco without McCaffrey. They're not the same team.

So I look at them and I think, somebody's going to get hurt. They're too old. John looks at them and goes, schedule's easy, the coach is brilliant. Your take on the Niners now, because I think they're getting really expensive and really old. I agree with you. First off, there is no easy schedule in the national football league. I'm so sick and tired of hearing people's saying. that. Like, there is no Louisiana Lafayette Tech School. Everyone is getting paid the same amount of money.

That's mostly McIntyre, not Middle Cough, for the way. Well, regardless, there is no, everyone always says that, but who's going to be the hot division this year? We don't know. It could be some scrambled division that plays really great. So that, I don't like that. What was the second thing? The second thing is, hey, Shanahan's a great coach. Yeah, he's a great coach, but, you know, he's a coach that likes to play from ahead. Whenever he plays from behind, is he's a good. not really, you know, he stays to the play sheet. He stays to the play sheet. So like if we take a look at the 49ers, you know, when they don't have a lead, the stats are terrible. When they play from ahead, they play the game the way they want to play when their team is constructed to play that

way, they're a really great football team. Yeah. Offense lines getting old. This, this reminds me a lot of the 2019 Patriots, but not even kind of close because we came off winning a Super Bowl, the old factor. But you went into the season knowing. We went into the season, you know, a little banged up, Gronk retires, A, B comes in. You know, if you're going to sit there and you're going to say, if this guy stays healthy, we're going to be good, you're gone.

I remember hearing that all the time from coaches and, you know, in the Patriots organization, if you think that, you know, we're going to be good. If this guy stays healthy, that means your team doesn't have the depth to go out and win. you know so like i don't like those those sains and those uh i just don't like that either so when it comes down the 49ers for me i i think this is going to be they haven't hit on any of their draft picks other than brock purdy you know what's really interesting about this and that's

what you have to do pretty draft you take brock purdy out of that draft it is a bad draft you know and they they lost ward they lost key parts their secondary which they've struggled the last few years. And when Bosa's hurt, the defense is not the same. You know, and then you look at, you look at points allowed, they're like 20, they're like not the middle third of points allowed, which that's the real, they can stop people because they have Bosa who can, you know, strip sack someone and get a turnover or something, but the game's ultimately about points and they haven't been able to stop teams this year, especially when a team runs the ball. You know, so I'm worried about,

my San Francisco 49ers. I grew up loving this team. I root for this team. But, you know, we'll see how Pierce all does. You know, they had to hit on him last year. You know, the shoulder thing, that's a freak thing. He gets shot in San Francisco, which is crazy. We don't have any offensive linemen. Trent's getting kind of. Trent's old. Trent missed a few games last year. Yeah. You know, it gets tough when you get, he's a big man. Well, they play the Rams twice. And that's a young Rams team. That defense is all 24. What did they do?

What did the Rams do? They hit on Pooka Nakua in the fifth round. They hit on versus. They hit on who was the other? Kyron Williams in the fifth round. They're hitting on draft picks. Niners, it's, you know, I love Lynch and all, but they've missed on a few picks. John's a former scout.

I think sometimes the Niners at the top, the owner York, Shanahan Lynch, the quarterbacks are talked about. If you go to the fringes and the margins, I mean, you're a former scout, they have had some bad misses. Well, the Trey Lance, you know, they got rid of a bunch of first rounders, so they didn't have one for a couple years. Yeah. So those, I mean, they were missing three players. Trey Lance was a zero, and then the next two first rounders didn't exist. That's right.

So then the pressure on the second and third rounders, you miss a couple of those, and, and Jules knows this, you start winning. You're drafting at the end of every round. So you're drafting at the end of the second round. That's your first pick. It's like pick 60. Yeah. And you whiff on that, all of a sudden you're like, man. And that's how you build your team.

You got to build it to the draft. You need cheap labor at some point. You have to hit on fourth and fifth round players. I mean, Joanne Jennings and Brock Purdy are two of their best players. And they don't. Later on. Those are, where would they be without Brock Purdy and Jennings right now? They'd be in trouble.

And they're both seven-truth. They need McAfric. I will say one thing, though, about the San Francisco 49ers. There's been a lot of talk about them regressing this year. which they've been the target of the West Coast for the last five years. Maybe them flowing under the radar could help them this year. Maybe the week's schedule where everyone thinks they're circling San Francisco because they're banged up. Maybe they, you know, energize that fuel and put that towards wind.

You never know, but I think this could be a good thing for them if they are the underdogs going under the radar because they haven't been that in a long time. You know, it's funny, because McIntyre's been on this. His whole thing is the schedule is easy. And it is easier than, let's say, the Giants. But part of the reason it looks easier is Shanahan and Brock Purdy, like you can score points. The Giants can't. In your career, and I know Belichick never let you overlook anybody, but there had to be one game in your New England career.

When you looked at the schedule, saw film, and thought, they aren't good. And they either beat you. Yeah, Cleveland Browns and... I remember. 13. I remember. 12 or 13. In Cleveland.

In Cleveland. And they housed you. Yeah. I think we, I had a fumble. Rob had a fumble. We fumbled on a kickoff return. And that was in like 2013 or 12. I bet you bill was bitter.

We watched. Anytime we played Cleveland from there on out, we would have a 35 play cutup of that year's game. Of like, I remember it. Fellas, let's not, let's not turn the ball over on special team. and lose this game.

Can we, can we do that, like, we watched that game my whole rest of my career for like seven more years, eight more years, every time we played the Cleveland Browns. Did Peyton Hillis playing that game? Peyton Hillis jumped over like three of us, I think. I don't know. It was that game, I remember. It was a Buffalo game when Brady threw four picks, up in Buffalo. What year was that?

Yeah, it was probably before you. It could be before me, because I don't, I think we want, when we got, I don't think we ever lost to Buffalo. It was crazy because Gronk would go play on Buffalo. It's his hometown. He'd have like three, two touchdowns every time. Yeah. To get the bad Brady game in my life that I remember.

And there was a Cincinnati game where he played in a rain game in 13, I believe, where, you know. It's raining. But it was like a torrential downpour, and we had it for the last drive. They had the rocket. You know what I remember about the Cleveland game? Bright blue skies. Bright blue skies.

Beautiful. Beautiful. I'm like rain man on the. Little windy. That's Cleveland. It's Cleveland. But I remember Peyton Hillis is like Marshawn Lynch against the Saints. He's just blown over all you guys.

It was a... Not a good flight home? Wasn't a good time, anytime you played them again after that. Julian Edelman. What a pleasure. What a pleasure. Good to see you, buddy. We'll take a break.

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This is the herd line news. Starting the NFL, Colin, where Kyler Murray, who we talked about earlier, and the Cardinals were to look for their first winning season since 2021. After just missing out last year at 8-9. I had Arizona moving off, Kyler, in our predictions earlier. But Trey McBride has some other ideas, saying that he believes that he and Kyler can form the same partnership as Mahomes and Kelsey. I don't know about that, Colin, what do you think?

Well, I think McBride's great. Awesome player. I think he's an awesome player. That's my buddy drafted him, Steve Kahn. I think he's a tremendous player. I actually think from Conner to McBride to Harrison to Kyler Murray, I think their all lines okay. I think offensively, they're really interesting. And I think this year they kind of went back to defense in the draft.

So I like their personnel. Like I feel like they're a little like Seattle. They can beat anybody in the league. Anybody in the league go to Arizona. Kyler's getting protection. They can beat anybody. I just don't know if they can put together 12 wins. Kyler gets banged up.

Kyler can get, you know, sometimes moody. But their talent, there's eight or nine guys on this roster. I think are sensational players. Well, he deserves credit because he's clearly mature from what was a couple of years ago. I know Jonathan Gannon living in that area. They're higher on him, the guy, the leader. But as a player, he can be frustrated. Because like you said, they can beat anyone in an individual game.

You can put him Sunday night football against the Bills. and Kyler could outplay Josh. No question. Then the next week he could play the Jags and throw for 150 yards and lose by 20. They are a maddening team. So I do think he's fascinating coming into this year because the talent

it oozes off the screen and it has since I don't think he lost the game in high school. I think he went 45 and 0 his three years in high school. So he's a 12th highest paid quarterback. The team has finished either last or second to last and five of the last six years. So beside that one year with Kingsbury,

remember, and they fell apart at the end of that season, It has not gone well from a wins and losses standpoint. I just, this kind of feels a little make or break just because he makes a lot of money and he still would have value to pivot, plus the quarterback draft is good. Yeah, but this is not a franchise that is, I mean, if you told me, take the Packers and take Arizona, take the best seven players, I mean, I'd say McBride is arguably better than anybody on the Packers. Arizona's got good players. No, I mean, and they've got high-end players.

Marvin Harrison Jr. is a guy everyone would take. They just signed Sweat from the Eagles. I think they drafted in the second round. Will Johnson? Remember, he kind of fell in the draft. I mean, their roster's not bad. Not bad at all. Buda Baker. Yeah, Bud is great.

So we'll stick with the NFL to Miami. Where Tua, he's entering in his sixth season, and he'll look to stay healthy and upright. He just played in 11 games last season. Prior to joining Miami in 2022, the now retired Tehran Armstead, played nine seasons with New Orleans and had an up-close look at Drew Brees. In an interview on The Rich Eisen Show, Armstead talked about the similarities between Tua and Breeze. Anticipation, the accuracy, timing of throws,

the ability to knock a wing off a fly. Repeatedly, those guys throw darts. They don't throw to areas. They are very precise. That's an elite talent. It's elite trait. Very few people possess. He's one of them and Drew Breed is another.

I don't disagree that he is his conscience. He's a left-handed Drew Brees. Now, Breeze, again, it's unfair because Breeze is an all-timer. I've always liked, I've always liked Tua when he has stable protection and when the weather's good. Like, at home, I've always felt different home and away with him. I always feel like the elements, and I've said this about Brock Purdy. If it gets cold and windy and wet, I don't think about Purtt the same. That's exactly how I feel about Tua.

but if the conditions are moderate to good and he has ample protection, Tua throws a great ball. Well, we say the same about Jared Gough. But Jared Gough got to play in L.A. and now in Detroit in a dome. You know, Drew Brees got to play in a dome. Tua, while he plays in Miami, they play the Bills. And the Jets. They play in the AFC and they make the playoffs.

They play the Chiefs. It is a difficult proposition when you don't have a great arm and you're in the AFC because of the teams that you're going to have to play in the playoffs. Also, and we have to be fair, they have not done a good job in the O line, and they're not ready for Armstead to move off. You cross your fingers. I think there are certain players, if you have two as a quarterback, you have to have a good backup. A stable backup. They've not been good at backup quarterback.

And I also think you've got to have a top seven to eight to nine offensive line. You've got to protect to it. He is smaller. He doesn't have a big arm. He needs the extra half second of protection. I think we all respect the guy in his toughness. I do think we have to be critical. When he's played better teams in big spots, he's kind of crumbled.

He has not played good football against the better competition in the NFL. And I think Mike McDaniel is clever. I think he's smart, but sometimes I feel the organization lacks stake and has a lot of sizzle. We could argue that you're just not winning in Miami, given the modern day economics of football and how much stuff's going on and how rich these guys are. It's kind of been a disaster for a long time there. Yeah. Now to the WNBA, where,

Your girl, Caitlin Clark, has been having a tough last three games. She has. Including last night where she was limited to a season low, six points, went over six from three. In the grand scheme of things, it didn't matter, though, with the fever winning the game, and her teammate Lexie Hall believes there's nothing to worry about amid Clark's shooting woes. She'll be fine. I don't think we're worried. We're not worried about me.

She's a great shooter. She's a great player. This happens to every team, every player, every great player. She'll be fine. Yeah, I think we forget that Steph Curry, and especially Clay Thompson, you know, you hear about hitting slumps. Steph Curry had shooting slumps. You were there. You're a warrior's guy.

Happens all the time. I mean, Steph and Clay, who are by far the greatest shooting back court in the history of the league, you could watch them on an individual game basis. Especially Steph a little later in his career, Clay later in his career. You have bad weeks, a bad month. Clay had bad series. There was an Oklahoma City series years ago where he had like a great game six. Save their season. Save their season.

But if I recall, he struggled in the series. Listen, did Ted Williams get a base hit every time he went up to that? Tony Gwynn. Did Steph Curry made every three-point shot he's ever attempted? Of course not. I also think there is, you know, she's coming off an injury. The road home splits. A little interesting this year.

I would not sell any Kailen Clark stock moving forward. We agree. John Middlkoff with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. So tonight is the NBA draft. I don't, we had Rick Petito on for 20 minutes.

He was tremendous today. I don't know if you're ever going to have a great draft again because it is such a projection draft. So many of the players, whether international or domestic, there's just a lot of young guys. It's not you're guessing, but there's a lot of projection. I don't feel that in the NFL draft. I mean, quarterback is always going to be hard. He needs the right coach and right support system.

But in the NFL, you whiff on 50% of your picks, and you have three and four years of tape. You know, in college, you may get 30 games of tape for a kid that plays at Kentucky, and he may only go against an NBA player in six of those 30 games. That's all the tape you have. You know, it's the interview, it's the combine in Chicago. you know, you're just projecting. So I don't know if this is a great draft. I think Cooper Flag is as good and as exciting,

a domestic prospect as we've had in a long time. St. John's coach Rick Petino on Flagg. Well, he's physically ready. He's extremely athletic. He shoots the basketball. He's a tough young man. And he's maybe one of like three players that are ready to have an impact right away for the Dallas Mavericks.

He's got a good inside game, good outside game. He drives with force, knows how to play the game. He actually is young. He skipped a year of high school. So he's ready for the NBA, and I think he'll be an impact basketball player right away. I also think we have a comp on him that's pretty accurate. It is Jason Tatum.

They played in the same, you know, at Duke. So very rarely do you get a comp, and you're like, oh, yeah, that's an obvious comp. I mean, they both played at Duke, both same Duke culture. Cooper Flagg was younger, yet his numbers were all a little better. He is absolutely a better defensive player at this point, and he is absolutely a more aggressive player. Now, Tatum, much like Cooper Flag, Jason Tatum entered NBA with a very solid, well-run organization in Boston, and had that iconic dunk as a rookie over LeBron James.

So in the very first year, Jason Tatum, who went number three, I think that was the market. Carl Fools draft, wasn't it? The big bust. So, I mean, Tatum, very early, we were all excited. And I think that's what you'll feel. I don't know if Dallas is well run. I think they were better run with Mark Cuban, but the coach is good. You can say what you want about

Nico Harrison. They've drafted well. They've got really good players. And I'll say it again. You may not like the Luca trade. If it was AD, and instead of Max Christie, it was Austin Reeves. I think you might feel different about that trade and one more first round pick, but they didn't

get it, but I know you all, you know, how did they get Cooper flag? However, he's going to be really good, really fat. I think he's going to look like Tatum as a rookie. You're going to have some iconic dunks and iconic moments, and you're going to be like, oh, I can't wait until year two, because you'll see some rawness. I mean, the NBA, one thing about the NBA that you noticed in the playoffs, it is physical. Like Jay Billis said this the other day, I thought it was a great point. In college, you talk about individual possessions. In the NBA shot clock, the game is so fast that you look up and you've had three or four possessions. The NBA is just a faster league.

And I think that's why I like Cooper Flagg. I think he plays fast. I mean, he's one of those guys. He'll take two big long strides with a ball and he's at half court. So he is not a plotting player. He is long. He's athletic. He plays very fast.

And that's the difference between college and the pro. The pacing is insane at the NBA level. I mean, it's one of those things where rarely do you see a coach in the NBA like call a play. You trust your guard, you try to catch him in a free throw break, but it's just possession after possession after possession. And I just think he's built for it. I think if you're getting Jason Tatum, if you factor in the economics of the league, would you take, you know, trading Luca getting rid of that $350 million to start with a rookie contract getting Jason Tatum at 18 years old? It might end up working out for Nico Harrison. That's the best case, though.

I mean, that's a positive guy. Much better defender. Much better defender. And I would argue a better athlete than Luca, not the offensive prodigy. Luca's one of the great, me, walked into the league, he was an elite score. But in terms of I get a, I get right now, healthier player, better defender, better shape, and free. I mean, you're not paying anything for years. Yeah, and again, that Dallas front line, he doesn't have to protect the rim.

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