The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 3 - Andrew Wiggins, Celtics

Episode Date: June 14, 2022

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IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. Do you see the guy that got banned for life, some YouTube loser, because he impersonated Clay Thompson? He always impersonates Clay Thompson. He got banned for life. Well, yeah, he went down onto the court

and got some shots in. I think he just, tweeted it was worth it. He got to be an NBA player for a day for 10 minutes. For 10 minutes? Would you be willing to be banned for life as a fan to be banned? To pretend you or somebody else? That's not

very high standards. I mean, I was a college athlete Colin. I mean, you know. But I mean, your standards. I've done some things. Yeah, I mean, I get that. But my standard for life is more than if I can impersonate somebody for 10 minutes, it's worth losing something I value. No, no. He goes the games all the time dressed as Clay Thompson.

It's like a thing. So he loves the team. So this is not the first time he's done this. Yeah, no, no, no, no. He's always at games. Now he can't go for life. Yeah, that part I think he will end up regretting. Yeah, of course.

But, yeah, I'm not really, I don't think it's like that shocking. This was probably an inevitable build for this action. I don't think I would give up. If I was a fan, I would give up a lifetime of enjoying something for 10 minutes of somebody. Most people would get he's not. A handful of people thought you're Clay Thompson. It was worth it? I don't think it's worth it.

Standards. I mean, I think right now he feels comfortable with it. I think moving on, it might end up being regret if you can't go to games there anymore. Well, it's like the best team in the league for like a decade. That's the new building. It's the coolest place in town. So you're never going back to that building. It's not like they're building another one.

So congratulations for 10 minutes, dummies thinking you're somebody you're not. Like, that's the standard. I would just think if I was a huge fan, you stopped me from going to my favorite team. I mean, I wouldn't do it. He's like, probably he's got to be a young kid. I don't think he is that young. Like 30, 35? He's got 70 years.

He can't go to a game? I mean, this is the rest of his life regardless. Yeah, I mean, how, I mean, if he's 62, he's not impersonating Clay Thompson. So he's got to be fairly young. No, I'm trying to find him right now. It's amazing what fame does. So being, pretending you're somebody else for 10 minutes, that rush, got is worth giving.

He's, okay, so his name is Big Dawes. He said, I'm being contacted by a lot of news organizations to do interviews. As of now, I will not be doing any. Don't want to make a bigger deal than it is.

The Chase Center has every right to ban me. No hard feelings. Had fun doing it. 29 years old. So if he lives to be 79, 50 years in the Bay Area, can't go to a warrior game. I mean,

is that how powerful fame is? Fake fame. Not real fame, fake fame. Wow. I mean, Cloud makes people do a lot of things. I guess.

Crazy. I think it's a lot to give up to do it for a couple minutes. For a diehard? If you lived in Oklahoma, you can't go to a sooner game for 50 years. He doesn't seem like he has hard feelings about it right now. All right. Good luck to that guy. Big Dawes.

Well, I talked about him, so that must be a real high for him again. The Warriors pulled away in the fourth quarter last night to take a three-two lead over Boston. I think Golden State's again. experience is what's beating the Celtics right now. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeart Radio app. Well, let's go to a long-time Boston Sportscaster, the author of at last count, eight books, New York Times bestselling author, co-host a brother from another on Peacock,

along with my friend Michael Smith, who I haven't seen in a long time, Michael Hawley, the esteemed Michael Hawley. So let's, you know, I said that Saturday, Joy and I talked about this. I said, we love in the media to make sense. stars, superstars, and there's very few. LeBron's one. Steph's one. The list gets real short.

Magic. Bird was a reluctant one. Dr. J. And I look at Jason Tatum and I'm like, he's verbalized, Michael. I'm not sure he wants to be a superstar. He's just a great all-star. How is this all landing in Boston? Talk Radio, what you do for a living.

Jason Tatum appears to shrink. Are people upset or are they just lowered their expectations of? bit. It's Boston, Colin. You know how it's playing. People are upset. People get upset in Boston about these things. The Celtics, because of their history, got a lot of passionate fans, high expectations. It's a championship standard. You don't raise division banners in Boston Garden or a conference championship banner. So with Jason Tatum, yeah, you look at it, and I think you said it right. He's got superstar ability. He's an emerging superstar. Is he there right now. No, and I just got to say, full disclosure, I picked the Celtics at the beginning of

this series. I pick the Celtics in five. But I will say, in my defense, I think the Celtics have Celtics and five talent, but they're playing with Warriors and Sixth execution. And that's a problem. They're just not executing when they really need to. You know, there were troubling signs against Milwaukee in Miami, where they got tight. Absolutely. Right. They just can't get away with it. See, and that's why I want to disagree with you

of what you were saying earlier. It's like, hey, look at this experience. I really hate that narrative, but the finals experience of the Warriors. Look, they do. Their big guys have been there, and we know the stats. But if you talk about the finals, the last time the Warriors were in the finals, Clay was better, Dremont was better.

Steff is about the same, if not better. But Andre Iguidal is worse. Like Jordan Poole that have finals experience and Otto Porter. I mean, you're not really, that doesn't really translate for me. Jordan Poole's 23 years old. What does you know about the finals? The real issue is it's personality. The Celtics, they have a really annoying aspect of their personality that IMA

Adoka hasn't been able to root out yet. And they just play around with the game too much. They got away with it against Milwaukee. One of the worst meltdowns, Colin, I've ever seen in Game 5 against Milwaukee. They have like a 95, 96% chance statistically in the last four minutes of that game to win it, and they blow it. Epic meltdown. They almost, you're almost talking about the Miami Heat and Golden State Warriors in the finals because they did the same thing in game seven in Miami, where it's a Jimmy Butler three-pointer away from being a different kind of game. This is not the final stage that's bringing this out.

this is just who they are. And right now, they're in danger of not getting away with it for the first time in the playoff. What do they need to add? Because I do feel I said the first seven minutes I watched the game last night with a sound down because I was talking to my daughter on something. And the body language with Boston, it was like it was so tight and restrictive. And I'm watching the Warriors and they're just aggressive and loose and fluid. And I'm like, every fan should watch a game like this.

It was so telling. And it's like, okay, you can. run it all back, but there probably is an element here that they need to implement to solve this. What would it be? By the way, I watch TV the same way. I watch TV, all TV programs like that, don't tell the executives, because then you and I won't have jobs. But I think it's really telling just to watch people, I can tell if you're having a great

show, I can tell the way Joy looks at you, if you said something smart or something crazy, just with the sound down. It's thrilling. But I would say with the Celtics, they need a couple of things. They need a veteran player who's calm. They just need a calm veteran with playoff experience, not necessarily championship experience. Somebody in the mind of like the ageless Jeff Green,

who was a former Celtic in two or three lives ago. Somebody just comes in and is not overwhelmed by big situations. And they also need, I don't know, maybe it's moving Marcus Mark back off the ball again. He was a jack of all trades for many years. And this year, he became the point guard. I know his, his turnovers are lower than Jalen Browns, Jason Tatum's. But they're so careless with the ball. They're just so, so cavalier with it. And I'd think it's going to, it's going to be a problem going forward until they get somebody in there who can handle the ball better and is more cautious with ball hand.

You know, this team is actually reminds me of the opposite of the Patriots, where I never felt New England had the best players, but they could always pull the right levers because they had the best quarterback, best coach, and they'd been there so many damn times. With Boston, I feel like you can argue they have better players in their prime them, but they haven't been here. And they're not, they're not, they can't quite pull the levers. And Steve Kerr should be better in this series. Five as a player, six as a coach. Do you feel like Kerr has been a factor over IMA Adduca, who we love coming into the finals, but he is a decided experience disadvantage?

Yeah, I think it has been a factor. It's not number one on my list, but it's on my list. Think about it. Udocha in the second round took on Mike Boonehozer, championship coach last year. They beat him in seven games. Next, Eric's Folster, a great championship experience. One of the best coaches in the league.

They beat him in seven games, including three wins in Miami. one game seven on the road. So he's definitely got what it takes to be a successful head coach. But I think what he hasn't been able to do is get his players to respond to the urgency of problems that pop up in the series. Think about this. After the Warriors kind of collapsed in game one down the stretch,

next game, Draymond Green is out of his mind. He is setting the tone defensively. He's all over the place, you know, just tackling people. he exaggerated the point, and the players got it. We need to up our defensive game. After the Warriors lost game three, Steve Kerr switched the starting lineup. He took Draymond Green out of game four with six or seven minutes to go. The great Draymond Green is on the bench, and now he's playing offense defense.

The urgency has gotten across from their best players and their head coach and the Celtics having gotten that memo. Michael Hawley joining us for those on radio. I do feel like the Celtics have looked very uncomfortable a lot in the last two games. And I don't know if you can tweak that. I do think it's the Warrior Series. Do you think there's a way Boston wins? Well, that's a great question. I'll say it this way, Colin.

I went into the series, as I told you. I went into the series thinking that the Celtics should and could win it. Can they win it now? sure they can, but if I feel like, I feel like they'll steal it. If they win this series, I feel like it will be a steal. And somehow the Warriors have to do something epically stupid to let this get away from them. When they won game four to make it two, two, now you have a best of three series. You're going back to San Francisco, three games left, two of them at home. You're playing great Steph Curry. They haven't solved him yet. It should be the

Warrior series. I would say the Celtics will probably play well tomorrow night. I mean, excuse me, they'll play well Thursday night and have the garden crowd in a frenzy. But for them to go on a road and win a game seven where it will take the type of execution, consistent execution that we've seen infrequently in this series from them, I think that's a tough ask. Finally, Michael Hawley, you know, Bob Myers earlier this year, the Warriors are going to have 700 million in revenue this year. A healthy NBA franchise has 200. It's Silicon Valley money.

He doesn't care if he pays the tax because he's doing very, very well, as a lot of people who are connected to American technology. And he said, listen, we're going to pay our players. We're just going to pay them. We're going to pay whatever it is and we don't care. Does it bother you? Is that good or bad for sports? How do you view that?

Thank you. You don't know. It doesn't bother me at all. I think Bob Myers is absolutely right. Yeah, why not pay the players that your organization drafted for the most part? Yeah, you need to reap the benefits of drafting these guys, nobody in the top five, and you've been in six NBA finals, and you're probably, you're in really good position to win this one.

You draft Steph Curry, you draft Clay Thompson, you draft Jordan Bull and Draymond Green, you bring these guys in and make smart free agent signings. absolutely pay your players and if you need to pay a luxury tax so be it i think the better question is should that luxury tax be so oppressive for teams like this and i'm going to say no i understand why to do it colin they're trying to bring some balance bring some parity to the NBA which is ridiculous because it's not like the NFL it's not going to be that way why why penalize teams that are trying to win this way with their own players yeah i'm all for it yeah if you

build the dynasty the right way draft and develop, I don't think you should break it up as a sports league. The Kevin Durant to the Warriors, that's, yeah, people get prickly on that. That's probably not ideal for sports. But you draft and develop and just keep paying them. I got no problem. You did it the right. To me, that's the right way to win. I think the Warriors get prickly about Kevin Durant, too. That's kind of like the undercurrent of this series. And we know they're a great organization. But Kevin Durant, like, we can't celebrate, oh, wow, the Warriors, if they win this championship, this is going to be their fourth title in such and such a time.

Well, wait a minute. You know, two of those championships came with Kevin Durant as a finals MVP. So I think, I think they really want to win this one without Kevin Durant. Whether they say that or not is a different story. But I think it's a fact. Michael Hawley podcast with Michael Smith on Peacock, Brother from Another. Great seeing you. Don't see you enough.

I always appreciate your work and follow you everywhere. Thanks, man. I'm here for you, Colin. I love to see you. I'll tell Michael Smith you said hi to you. Please do. Please do. Summer's coming up and not only do you want to feel your best, don't we all want to look our best?

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Joy Taylor with the news. No. No. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Clay Thompson's had an interesting postseason. Hot and cold. He's been a little up and down.

But last night he had a great performance. He was 21 points at 50% shooting, including five threes. So it felt like at least one of the Splash brothers were back last night. Now the Warriors are up 3-2 and they will go back to Boston to try and close it out in 6. And Game 6, Clay,

seems to be looking forward to the return to Boston and the hostility there. Do you think this is your best defensive series that you've played in these playoffs? It could be, but it doesn't mean anything if I go out there and lay an egg in a couple days or a few days.

So I'm just excited to build on it. And wow, just going to be, I've never been so excited to go to Boston. I'll tell you that. Just a little bit of shade. Listen, obviously, Jemond Green is quite the experience every time he steps into TD Garden. Oh, yeah. And Clay is laying on a little bit as well. And I like this.

I like a little bit of animosity. I like a little bit of rivalry. I know Boston fans were getting a little sensitive about everyone talking about how they behave and they're bad fans. Yeah. Look, you could not chant what you chant when Jemann is out there if you don't like to be categorized like that. I personally, as long as you don't cross the line talking about people's families, obviously, you know, the physical barrier, talking about anything that would obviously be blatantly. disrespectful. I think you have a right to make things uncomfortable for the opposing team. Home court or home field advantage should be a real thing. You should have to go in there with like

focus if you were the road team. To me, Chase is the rare, what happens when you build a new arena or stadium, it gets quieter because the acoustics may be better. You put in more sweets. Right. So you get fewer actual diehard fans. And the fans that go to the new stadiums are richer and older because most people in America that make huge money are in their 40s, 50s or 60s. And I've seen this at Oregon football with Ottson Stadium. It's still loud, but it got much quieter. Yankee Stadium, the new one, much quieter.

This feels like, no, because there's so much young Silicon Valley money that the young people can afford these great seats. I watch those games. I'm like, I don't know how people here in timeouts. Well, also, they've been good for a consistent. amount of time. They didn't just become good this year. So they didn't just get an influx of people wanting season tickets or they're not emotionally invested. They didn't go through the last couple years where they've struggled after winning. So these fans are truly invested in what's going on

with Golden State. It's not, you know, they obviously get categorized as just, you know, Silicon Valley rich people. But this is a team that they care about. Like they've gone through some waves as an organization even while winning. So you're going to have an intense environment there and obviously Boston is notorious for being an intense environment. So I do think that this game, obviously being an impossible elimination game, everything that's gone on with Draymond, now Clay adding a little extra sauce to the mix, it's going to be a very intense environment going back to Boston. I can't wait for game six.

So Jimmy Garapolo is still with the Niners, despite all of the rumors saying he would be traded this offseason. Obviously his shoulder surgery didn't help his trade market holding up. those deals. Well, yesterday there were reports that indicated that he could just be released by the Niners before the start of the season. That prompted former NFL front office

executive Lewis Riddick to say the Seahawks need to jump all over him if that happens. He said the 49ers are not going to trade Jimmy Garapolo to the Seattle Seahawks in division. When they cut him and it sounds like they will cut him eventually, I would be all over that. All over it up on the Seattle Seahawks, that's an

offense that's tailor-made for Jimmy G's style. They also he has institutional knowledge of what the Niners do defensively. I do think that's interesting because he's right. They would never trade him within division. That's silly, especially having the success that Jimmy Garoppolo has had with the Niners. But if he's free, if he's on the market, that might be something that's worth it for Seattle. Again, I think Seattle is kind of not tanking, but not hating the idea of not doing well this year.

And if I was Seattle, I wouldn't want to. I would want to build on what we have, do a little bit of development on the draft picks that we have, but you're building for next season and getting your next franchise guy. It's why I pushed back on the idea of Baker Mayfield. And obviously, Jimmy Gropolo wasn't going to be traded there, but I still don't know if I would go in with Jimmy Garoppolo. I thought Seattle had its best draft in seven years, and they really answered some questions.

They got two starting tackles, hopefully, meaning their tackles were starting to get really expensive. So if Seattle drafts a quarterback next year, they're going to have a lot of money to spend. And so, again, we're not saying the quarterback is going to come in and win the MVP. But this rebuild, because of this draft, if you could duplicate the next draft of this one, they have some guys that are going to come in, start and be productive. Seattle's, listen, they're not going to be very good this year.

I don't think they'll necessarily be down long if they can. can duplicate the draft and land the quarterback. And they can fix the defensive side of the ball. Yeah. But I thought they had as good a draft. I thought they got five legitimate starters at key positions in this draft. Like five legit starters. And they are legit in a rebuild. So commits to the rebuild.

That's my frustration with the dolphins forever. It's like you're in a rebuild. Just rebuilds. Like don't just keep trying to stay, you know, in that middle range. It's the worst place you want to be. the NFL. You're never high enough to get a great draft pick to really reset the table. You're just winning enough games to

stay in the middle. It's the worst place you want to be. So last month, there was a lot of spicy drama about the NIL between Nick Sabin and Jimbo Fisher and Texas A&M and Alabama. And Nick made headlines accusing Texas A&M of buying their

recruiting class through NIO deals. Now, it seemed like it was squashed and we're all moving forward and you know, things were said and we're moving forward. When I was being reported that Texas A&M leadership told the SEC that they should consider suspending or fining Sabin for those comments. Through an open records request, the email from leadership has been revealed saying Coach Sabin's statement is false beneath the dignity of the SEC and the corrosive to the sportsmanship in college football. We expect the league to take strong public action against Coach Saban, a public apology from Coach Sabin to Coach Fisher, Aggie Football. And Texas A&M is a good starting point, but the league should also consider mom.

monetary in participation penalties. Well, what happened is Sabin went after one of his own. The SEC has always been, and to their credit, very provincial. Right. No secrets get out. Right. Right. So like Southern football is its own entity.

You never go against the family. Nick went against the family. And there is punishment for doing that. That's what it felt like. That's what that feels like to me. Well, when you're a made man, sometimes there isn't. But we all have to sit down. and decide what your fate will be. Well, SEC Commissioner Greg Sanky reportedly replied to the email

saying I do not view suspension of financial penalty as appropriate at this time. Look, it was, it was, you can't say that. Like, we all agree that what Nick Saban did was wild. You just can't do that. That's right. It was also wildly exaggerated. They're not by their entire team. That is, doesn't even make sense that everyone is getting NIL deals on the entire team and that's how they constructed it. That's also not what happens. The message was for Nick Sabin's boosters. Well, he should have been more strategic about how he was communicating that message to

his boosters. But again, to your point, you just can't go out there and say things like that. Like that, I do understand Jimbo Fisher being outraged. I understand Texas and A&M being outraged because it's Nick Sabin saying it. If it's some random person, if it's honest, it's whatever, like who says it matters? Now, I don't think anything's going to come of this, but I do think it's a lesson for everyone moving forward that no matter how you feel about NIL, be careful about, you know, pointing fingers about what other people are doing. Because it's not illegal on top of it, which is obviously what Nick Saban said in his apology. Yep, Joy Taylor with the news.

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moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me, or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tapped Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people.

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To be clear, 84 was big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack all day, but just so you all know. I mean, at this point, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack, so I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now, so. Thank you for finishing that sentence. Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black people.

Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hard Way with me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Kear Games. And in recognition of mental health awareness month, I'm bringing over a decade of my own experience in the mental health field and conversations with so many incredible guests. I'm talking Tripp Fontaine, Ryan Clark. Sometimes when we're in the pursuit of the thing, We get so wrapped up in the chase that we don't realize that we are in possession of the thing. And we're still chasing it. And we don't know when we've done enough.

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He's a very expensive player. Is he in the future for this team with Jonathan Cominga and all these young stars and Wiseman? So we're going to play Wiggins or Wig out? If I had the choice of two players, Andrew Wiggins and some other young star, which one would I choose to have on my team? Here we go. Andrew Wiggins or Rudy Gobert? Well, Gober is a rim defender.

Wiggins is a much more versatile all over the floor defender. Plus, he's a much better score. So that's an easy one. I would take Andrew Wiggins over Rudy Gober. Andrew Wiggins or Zion Williamson. Zion's going to get paid a fortune. He's only played 38% of his games. He has weight issues, and he is a terrible defender.

He'll never be a great defender. I'd go Andrew Wiggins. Andrew Wiggins or Anthony Edwards. This is tougher. I think Anthony Edwards, a stronger player with a chance to be a 30-point-of-game score. He's also seven years younger. And I think he's got more dog at him. He is a true one who wants to be a one.

You saw it this year. so Anthony Edwards, the younger player, you know, Wiggins will give you 20. I think Anthony Edwards is going to have 40-point nights in this league by next year. Good actor, too. Yeah, yes. Andrew Wiggins or DeAndre Aiton? In the current NBA, the versatility that Wiggins can give you on both ends of the floor makes this an easy one for Wiggins.

DeUndra Aitin's also going to get pay. He's going to get very expensive. He's just a better fit. He can defend multiple positions. Wiggins is a good player. if you're trailing late or you're leading, I worry about DeAndre Ait and being kind of pigeonholed into, he's good with a lead.

You don't want him on the floor late if you're trailing. Andrew Wiggins or Russell Westbrook. Okay, you guys are just messing with me. I would take Wiggins. Significantly better defender, gets along well with others, does not need the ball in his hands to be really, really effective,

which with Westbrook, he struggles with that. Like, he's not an off-ball player. He does have his moments when he has the ball. ball and he's dribbling downhill. He can be very effective scoring. But I like guys that can have the ball or not have the ball. Andrew Wiggins or Ben Simmons. Another easy one. Simmons has been one of the great disappointments for me in the NBA in the last decade. I take Wiggins. They're both really good defenders and both versatile. Both have great length or twitchy athletes. But man, I just don't know if Ben Simmons loves basketball. I know that Wiggins, you can see the smile on his face.

You can't wipe it off. He's having so much fun. He's a very good teammate. And I blame a lot of Wiggins' early issues, frankly, to the T-Wolves organization, where I blame Ben Simmons issues on Ben Simmons. Andrew Wiggins or Jalen Brown? I would probably go Jalen Brown. Again, he's a younger athlete moving into his prime. He's also become a very good fourth quarter player.

Good defender, nice offensive piece. I feel like Wiggins has flourished in his. role as a role player, he's a perfect three. Whereas I feel like Jalen Brown, on a bad team could be a one. On a good team, he's a two. And he plays with a ton of confidence, which I've always worried a little bit about Wiggins. So he's younger. I get all the versatility defensively. I would take Jalen Brown. Andrew Wiggins or Bam out of bio? It's an easy one. It's Wiggins. Wiggins has become an elite rebounder. He and BAM average the same number of rebounds in the playoffs.

Bam would be viewed as a better defender and can be a rim protector, but there are real limitations offensively on what Bam can do. He gets shut down by elite defensive players. And so I think in today's NBA, everybody's looking for the Tatum and the Wiggins, the Kauai Leonard, I can defend, I can shoot, I can, I'm versatile, and I think Wiggins has more versatility. Andrew Wiggins are Kyrie Irving. That's another easy one.

You know, Kyrie is a sneaky 30 years old with a lot of injuries. So some guys are older than you think. Some guys are younger than you think. Wiggins today is only 27. So really Andrew is still in his prime. Yeah. Probably for about two more years athletically. One is an atrocious defender, Kyrie.

One is a taller, more athletic, better defender. And I also think there is value in Wiggins is easy to get along with. You know, people liked him in Minnesota. The organization just got tired of him not delivering as a one, and that's not really who he is. Both had vaccine questions. One got it and is now in the NBA finals. Yeah, there you go. Andrew Wiggins, Chris Middleton.

Wiggins, now, I do think Middleton's more of a pure score. It doesn't give you the effort on the defensive end. And I've said, I think Middleton has kind of piqued. He was a throw-in player in a trade with Detroit, so it didn't come with a lot of of, you know, wasn't an ascending star. And I would move off Middleton to get a Bradley Beal. And I like Chris Middleton, like him. But I think the defense, the versatility, Wiggins gives you more beyond scoring,

whereas Middleton can get hot and carry you, but we've seen Wiggins in this series carry the Warriors in quarters. So also, Middleton's a sneaky 31 years old coming off an injury. Did you think that you were going to say that at the beginning of the season about Andrew Wiggins? No. Isn't amazing what big-time performances do for you? So Anthony Edwards, Jalen Brown. And I think Middleton would be go either way.

If you needed pure scoring, you'd take Middleton. If I needed versatility on the wing and already had a great score. Yeah. Like the Warriors have Steph. So they don't need another, and they have clay. So Wiggins to them is a perfect fit. Milwaukee does need a second score. And they have Yonis protecting the rim.

so they may say, we don't need a wing defender. Nobody's getting past Yonis. Well, we need to score. So Milwaukee probably wouldn't make that move. I think what you can do is upgrade on Middleton to go to Bradley Beale. Standing pat is just doesn't work much. Like you have, even if you're a championship team. I mean, look at the Rams win the Super Bowl.

Yes. And they're out. Let's go get Alan Robinson. You have to keep tweaking. They moved Robert Woods for Alan Robinson because Woods came off an injury. They thought Robinson was more of an ascending. player, they moved off Robert Woods, their best blocking wide receiver. So, okay, complacent. Can't. Good stuff.

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