The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - Bill Belichick

Episode Date: April 30, 2025

Colin talks about Bill Belichick's recent comments about his CBS interview Chris Broussard stops by The Herd to talk about the Lakers-Timberwolves game tonight and the rest of the NBA playoffs  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Welcome back. Interesting stuff from Bill Belichick in the CBS interview. Very interesting. But first, J. Mack with the news. No. No. No. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Yeah, I don't like this Belichick thing. But we'll get to it later.

Let's start with the Houston Rockets, Colin. Man, two straight tough losses, despite large out playing Golden State for part of the game. They're now down 3-1 big game tonight in Houston. Ime Udoka said he would take a look at everything, saying that the starters were so bad, you know he's talking Jalen Green, that it's unclear who that Houston will be starting in game five.

Now, I don't think they can make a ton of different moves, but I think for sure throughout this game, column, when you watch it, start thinking, okay, who would I trade to get Janus? Who would I trade to get Kevin Durant? I know Houston fans don't want to hear that, but that's the reality. Yeah, I mean, Jalen Green to me has no defined offensive game. I would move him.

He's the classic super athletic guy. Could have used really great coaching, maybe at college level, but I just don't know what he is other than athletic. I would move him. Obviously, if you're getting Yonis, you could maybe move a big Shangoon, maybe. But there's certain players, I mean, I, I, I, I think Houston is basically a less talented version of OKC, and OKC is young. So, I mean, it's like I got SGA, you've got Jalen Green.

I know exactly what I get from SGA every game. I mean, I just think Houston's going to be really, really good. They're not getting through OKC. OKC's argued got the better general manager. OKC's got a great coach. They got the better star. I mean, they got the better number two star in Holmgren. or Chad Hongren.

So to me, this is great, Houston, but you're not getting past OKC just in terms of the young Western powerhouses. But they're a little, they're a year early. Now, there is a report that Amin Thompson, they are telling Houston's telling teens, he's untouchable.

We're not trading him. And I like that. I know you would push back. But I'm just telling you, man, he is a potential superstar in this league. But I would consider, for sure, Jalen Green, Schengun, three first round picks, and give us Janus.

I don't know. if that's enough. Milwaukee will say we want more. I mean, if you could get Jalen Green, Shen Goon, and three first round picks, that's pretty good. Well, also, it's not bad if you're Milwaukee, because those are two young cornerstone pieces. Like in the East, you're going to be top six with those guys. You are. That's a top 16 in the East, in the West. I don't know. I like Rockets and I think you do as well. Next up, Colin, coming off the NFL draft, the betting market has made Cam Ward and Ashton Genti, the co-favorites to take home the offensive rookie of the year award.

Here are the remaining top five and some notables. So initially, I had said I like O'Mary and Hampton, but I forgot that they also have Najee Harris, so it could be a split backfield there with the Chargers. Any names jump out to you. Obviously, I think Cam Ward's got to be the favorite. He's starting from day one. Could put up big numbers in the Callahan offense. Yeah, that one seems fairly obvious.

I guess I also think Jets in Miami. I don't know. No, I'm looking at that division. I mean, two of the three guys up there are in the AFC South. I could see Travis Hunter being exceptional in Cam Ward. Here's an Ashton Gentie problem. Will the Raiders trail late in games? Probably.

Yeah, so my take is when you trail, Ashton Genty won't get. the touches. Travis Hunter and Cam Ward, if they trail late, will get the touches. T-MAC will get the touches. So, and I do think you're right on Hampton, splitting it with Naji Harris, although I think Hampton will emerge as the number one back. But I like a player in terms of awards that will be in close games and possibly have to perform. I could see Ashton Gentie getting really good first half numbers, and then you're playing Mahomes and Herbert and Bo Nix. with Gino and you're behind.

So how about this theory? Shadour is plus 2,500. I don't think he's going to have a chance. However, Colin, and somebody came on my podcast and made this very clear, listen, if there's a quarterback hurt around the league, guess what? The Cleveland Browns have Kenny Pickett and Joe Flacco as potential trade bait, right? You yesterday, I think, said that Pickett and Flacco are probably two of the best eight backup

quarterbacks in the league. So maybe you trade one if, say, Baker Mayfield gets hurt. You trade one, and then Chador moves up. And there's a world where shucks, Deshawn Watson's out. We traded Flacco or Pickett. Is Chatur number two? Does he get a lot of starts? So I don't know.

Can you get behind that logic or is that a bridge too far? No, I can't. I just, I think the Chadour story at this point is more interesting than it is productive. I want to watch, I think it's going to be really interesting. I don't think he starts game one. That's a smart nuance take. College is college football. How about this?

Reports indicate that Texas Longhorns will spend, wait for it, $35 to $40 million on their football roster for 2025. At what point is too much in the NIL world? According to the report, their source mentions that the current model is unsustainable, adding the next season after next year, the whole world will be back to reality. I don't know why that will happen. 35 to 40 million. I think that's a bigger payroll than several MLB baseball teams in the pros.

I mean, this is what people are complaining about in Major League Baseball right now. The Dodgers and Yankees have separated, maybe Steve Cohen and the Mets. You know, again, the NCAA knew that paying football players was coming a decade ago and drag their feet. I mean, this idea that you can't make changes. We had Texas, Oklahoma go to the SEC suddenly and four. The PAC 12, the PAC 12 dissolved suddenly. So, I mean, this is just the NCAA. I don't blame Ohio State last year spending $20 million or Texas next year spending $40.

I don't blame the school. Boy, that's a lot of pressure on Sark. $40 million would be almost double with Ohio State paid. But they made the playoff two years in a row, I believe, right? Lost to Washington maybe. And then lost this past year. They should be back in the playoffs to Clark Manning. Yes.

I think I do, you know, what's interesting about this price tag, Brian Kelly goes to LSU, and you think LSU will do whatever it takes to win, and they didn't. Alabama's fallen behind on NIL. They just don't have that, they don't have the base of wealthy donors. LSU, I mean, Brian Kelly basically had to go to the big donors and say, we're losing quarterbacks to Michigan. We need $10 million. So the reality is, how many schools can pay $35 to $40 million?

Oregon with Phil Knight could. That's right. Texas could. I mean, I know this. USC has gotten closer to 20 million than 15 in the last several months, six months. That's what I've been told. No, I mean, I think, I mean, just in college basketball, the number is 4 million. If you spend four, you can compete at the highest level.

I mean, what is the college football number? Is it going to be 30? 15. than the number is probably 25 million to be to be at the highest level. I'm just, there's not many schools. I'm pretty sure USC lost the kid branch because he wanted more NIL and USC's like, whoa, we can't, you know, like at some point you've got to pull back. But I think you're right. Other than Tennessee, how many teams can spend in upwards of 25 mil?

What, FSU, University of Florida? I don't know. Oregon. Oregon. That's about it. J. Mack for the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The Heard Lye News. All right, Chris Broussar on the show after us is now joining us live. Okay, so Zach Lowe came out and said, he said it on a podcast at the ringer. He said, listen, Luca's getting worked early in these series. And it's not that trading Luca was crazy. It's that they got nothing back. And at some point, our staff showed me this this morning, Brew. Luca had 25 dunks as a rookie.

He has two in the last two years. There is some athletic decline. It's something. And what do you make of his performance in this series? No, that's a great point. I thought that was interesting, what Zach said, that smart people in some corners of the NBA

understand why they traded him. Like you said, you just want to get more. I would not have traded him. I still feel that way. But there's no question. you look at some of his highlights in earlier years as a rookie, his second year, he was dunking on people. He was taking people off the dribble and dunking on them.

Like he did not look that unathletic. And now he does. There's just no ifs, or buts about it. And I think the feeling, Colin, is that even though he's only 26, there's a feeling that his prime will be a lot shorter than, you know, other players, like that he's got maybe three, four more years. Now, I'm not saying this is right, but there's a feeling out there. He's got three, four more years at, you know, as one of the top five players in the league, and then it's over after that. Defensively, obviously, you see the problem. And I get it. He's

not incredibly quick and athletic. But what his problem defensively is that not only is he bad defensively, but he's disinterested most of the time. If he's bad and interested, then you can make yourself a decent defender. Steph Curry, Steve Nash, bad defenders, but interested defenders. So what that means is they communicate, they make sure they're in the right position on the floor, and they become passable on that side of the ball. Luca, when he wants to be, is passable as a defender. But most of the time he doesn't, he's disinterested, and that's a problem.

So I say Luca needs to win a championship before LeBron falls off because there's no guarantee, Colin, that he will have another teammate as good as even a 40-year-old LeBron is. And so every year that he doesn't win it, because of his greatness and because of the things that came out of Dallas as to why they traded him, the pressure is going to get higher and higher every single year on him until he wins the championship. By the way, Ant shot 83% when guarded by Luca in game four. Now, it wasn't a lot, but it shows you. The series that's been fascinating, I took the rockets over the Warriors.

I said youth, athleticism, depth. It's all three of the Warriors' best players are all mid-30s, and I don't know what Pods is going to give you. And Cominga is in the doghouse. It just, I am actually surprised by the outcome, is that I've said this about Jalen Green. He's an athlete. I'm not sure he's a great basketball player. He's an amazing athlete. The Jalen Green stuff, he has disciplined.

appeared in three of the four games. Are you surprised by the outcomes here? Not at all. I was 99.8% certain Golden State was going to win this series. Like, I just felt it in my bones because of the experience gap. Like, I think Houston has had a phenomenal year. I think going forward, they will definitely emerge as a legit contender. Shangoon is great.

You're right. Jalen has a lot to learn. His inexperience. is showing 7 points, 8 points, 38 points, 9 points. And you just can't have that in the playoffs from your leading score. So that's inexperienced showing. But Golden State, not only are you inexperienced, you're facing a four-time champion, plus playoff Jimmy Butler, who smells it.

He feels like this is my best chance ever to win a championship. If you look at those teams, he led to the finals in the East. One year, Tyler Hero was hurt. He had Bam out of Bayou and a bunch of role players that are having trouble getting on playing time on their new teams. Gabe Vincent, Caleb Martin, and he led them to the finals and took Anthony Davis and LeBron to six games in the finals. Now he's actually got a squad with some real talent and a good coach and Steve Kirk. He smells it, and that's why I'm not surprised at all. I thought it would be tough and hard fought because Udoca is great.

and the Rockets do play great defense, but I just thought the inexperienced gap was going to be too much for them to overcome. And they'll learn from this. This is great for them going forward. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers, and guess what? We have some big news.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So I have been a believer in the Celtics. I've said I think they're historically a little underrated because their superstar is not a publicity seeking, attention-seeking player Tatum. He's just really good. And we tend to have a bias towards anti-Spers and Deney. Duncan, pro Kobe Shaq, the

Michael Jordan. Listen, basketball is aesthetics. We all fell in love with Dr. Jay. He wasn't the best shooter. He was the most fun guy to watch. So we kind of punish the Spurs. I think we punish the Celtics because they're depth and collaborative and Tatum.

But I'm telling you, I'm watching Miami be humiliated. And I'm just, I mean, I'm interested, I mean, does Boston get past Cleveland? Yeah, first of all, I think great point about the Celtics. Look, obviously Jason Tatum is more exciting to watch than Tim Duncan. But I do think it's similar in terms of we're underwound with Tatum, even though he's great.

And if they win the championship this year, Colin, we do have to say, okay, what do we do with Jason Tatum? You know, as far as ranking him historically, ranking him in the league right now. As far as the calves, I said yesterday on first things first, calves win in the east. I've got the calves winning the east now, and I know it's going to be tough. Maybe I'm a little out there far because I'm from Cleveland.

But they, you don't see teams humiliate to use your word, the heat like they did. And I get it. The heat clearly quit in game four. You don't get beat by 60, essentially, if you don't quit in the NBA playoffs. However, Cleveland made them quit.

In game three, And they went, like game two was only a nine point win for the calves in Cleveland. So Miami's thinking, okay, we can make this thing a series going home. Cleveland smacks them by 37 points. And then the heat knew it was over and they quit. And so just to make Miami quit like that is impressive. They did it without Deris Garland, who was an all-star guard, who's been out with the toe injury. They've got the superstar that can create his own shot when all else fails in

Donovan Mitchell. They've got another great guard in Garland. Guards off the bench and Struz and Ty Jerome and DeAndre Hunter's a great six man. And then they've got the size at the rim in Mobley and Jared Allen. They defend the paint and the three point line. They move the ball. Like they are legit and they have also, Colin, which is what Houston hasn't done and maybe even O KC to some degree, they have taken their lumps. They lost two years ago in the first round of the playoffs. They lost last year in the second round of the playoffs.

And now the questions were, are they tough enough? Do they shrink? They've gone through all that. So now I think they are ready. They kind of remind me, and look, I know this is going to be an overstatement. But when Golden State won it in 2015,

we looked at them like, good team, 50 win team, but second round at best. They get a new coach, he comes in, inserts a new offense, and then they just take off and surprise everybody by winning the championship. That kind of reminds me of these calves in that they were a good team, a 50-win team. They had a good coach before in Bickerstaff, but Atkinson comes in there, does some things differently, and they go to a level that we didn't think they had.

and I'm giving them a legit shot to win the East and even get maybe win the finals. So, yeah, I believe in the Cavs. Finally, let's talk, Nix. A year ago, the Pistons are in a rebuild. And the Nicks think, hey, we got McHale Bridges. We can challenge the Celtics. I watch them. It's the same team.

I think the Knicks are an inch better. One of the reasons they are in a good spot as a franchise, they were patient. Is it time to acknowledge? They're not close to Cleveland or Boston or OKC. The patience thing was wonderful, but it is now time for a big swing in the offseason. Yeah, I mean, look, if they can get Janus, you know, who may be available this summer, then they got to go try to do it. Maybe even you look at a Kevin Durant.

I agree with. They're not going to beat Cleveland or Boston. They just aren't. I mean, they're struggling. I got them in seven. I picked them in seven before the series. But obviously, they're struggling with Detroit. which is to some degree was just happy to be in the playoffs this season.

You look at their roster, though, Colin, and they should be as good as Cleveland in Detroit. I love Jalen Brunson. He is a superstar-level player. He just is. We don't think of him that way because he started off his career as a role player. And all that he's got a very, you know, just a normal regular person, personality, it seems.

But he is a superstar. but one thing they are going to have to look at, I think, going forward is he's probably too ball dominant. And I don't think that's selfishness. I just think he dribbles the ball too much. You look at their talent, they've got, not just Kat, but Ananoi, other guys that can average 20 points a game, Bridges, Hart. They probably need to be a more egalitarian-style offense where they're getting everybody involved, and it's not just Brunson doing it all and creating for everybody else.

I think that'll help take them to the next level. Chris Broussard, show after us. Excellent stuff, Drew. I appreciate it, buddy. Thanks, Colin. See it. You bet. Yeah, I think I haven't touched much

on the Halliburton's dad, Yonis story today. It's obviously inappropriate, but it has just been, it's just been a bad two-week stretch for dads. I mean, it was Shador Sanders. Like, I don't even agent. I'll take dad's advice. He got bad advice.

Doesn't mean Dion's a bad father. He just gave bad advice. Nico Iamaliava doesn't mean he's a bad dad. Probably gave a son bad advice. And like, like, I don't know Halliburton's dad at all. I just don't think I would confront a superstar player that could eliminate me very quickly. Thank God, Janus has a more even temperament.

I just, you know, it's just, Doesn't make you a bad dad. It's just bad judgment or bad opinions or it's just wildly inappropriate. And at some point, I think this all the time. Basketball, college or pro, fans have the greatest access. I mean, in hockey, you got the glass. Football, you're miles away. Again, baseball, you're except for like Fenway Park.

You usually have a lot of space. Basketball, you're on the floor. So security levels are, here was, by the way, Janus on Trace Holleber. Martin's dad. One thing I'll say is that I believe, like, being humbly in victory. That's how we are. I love Tyrus. I think he's a great competitor.

He was his dad. Sorry. Coming in the floor and showing me his son, a tower with his face. This is what we do. This is what we effing do. This, the F we do. I feel like that's very, very disrespectful. The emotions of the game just got excited there.

but I talk with him. I'll talk with the honest. Eventually about it just, you know, I don't think that my pop was in the right at all there. For the record, Halliburton voted most overrated player in the league. Not so much in that series. Belichick, that being Bill,

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We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys?

I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. And we were thinking I'm originally calling it. one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes.

I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, people could call in and say, Hey Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title

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Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So Bill Belichick has released a statement. He had a book called The Art of Winning, and CBS said, Hey, we'd like to interview you for it. It's like the CBS morning or Sunday show or one of those shows on CBS, not 60 minutes. And so during it, his girlfriend interrupted the interview and just said, hey, we're not going there talking about our relationship, which I don't have a problem with. I have a right to ask any question I want. You don't have to answer them.

You don't want to talk about something. You have every right to say that, but I have a right to ask questions. So Belichick has released a statement on that. and Bill's statement is, listen, the final eight-minute segment does not reflect the productive 35-minute conversation we had, which covered a wide range of topics related to my career. Instead, it presents selectively edited clips and instills from just a few minutes of the interview to suggest a false narrative, that Jordan was attempting to control the conversation, which is simply not true. Belichick wanted to talk football. They, CBS, had no intention of spending. ending 35 minutes just talking football.

Again, they have a right to ask. She has a right to say, we're not going there. I don't think it's that big of a deal. I think it's awkward. I think the bigger issue is nobody quite knows what to do with 70-something-year-old Belichick and a 24-year-old girlfriend. Charles Barkley was on Dan Patrick this morning saying he's been my friend forever. I may have to step in here.

This thing could go sideways. Listen, the power dynamic in older men, young women is well documented. there can be issues. But I do think she does serve in this relationship a purpose. I don't think it's just, you know, attractive young girl, older men. She is like in a college campus environment. She is basically the C.O.O. of Belichick Productions, and he needs it. He is a rigid control freak, a little bit grumpy, a little bit prickly on a college campus.

And he's not, you know, he used to make fun of Snapgram and Insta chat. Like he makes fun of that stuff. He needs a bridge. He needs a go between. So at 24, generationally, Jordan Hudson is the go-between. You can think the relationships, icky or uneven, and the power dynamic, whatever. But to me, it's two grown-ups, two adults, both mutually benefiting, Bill's career, and I'm sure he's happy with it, and her career, and I'm sure she's happy with it.

So where am I supposed to go with that? Julian Edelman talked about the interview and what he saw. People are giving an unfair reality of what's going on because she was jumping into that conversation during the interview just like any PR person would jump in when there's an unnecessary question that probably didn't go over in the pre-production meeting. When you look at this situation and you say,

oh, this is his girlfriend jumping in. I think that's unfair. I think she's actually working with Coach Belichick in the professional world And she probably went and said, hey, no, we're not doing that. Yeah, that's how I feel. Now, what does it look like to NFL teams? Probably not PC. Like I could see an NFL owner and the wife saying,

this is not who's going to run our franchise. Like, this is not going to play. I could totally see that. I just think they're very strong families. And if you think Belichick's a control freak, some of these billionaires double down on that. I mean, that Belichick has said as much that there's multiple stories where Belichick has just said people around him, he's just tired of not having control. The truth is Belichick had total control in New England at the end, and frankly, it hurt him.

He had too much control with personnel. Belichick shouldn't have as much control. Pete Carroll's a good coach. One of the reasons he had problems in Seattle is he was taking control to the personnel in the draft to a degree in which John Snyder and the organization weren't happy. and they had some bad drafts. So I don't think coaches in the NFL should be making the picks. I think right now San Francisco. I think Kyle Shanahan has too much power in San Francisco.

I did not like the Niners draft. They've had too many misses the last three years. So I think Belichick, Pete Carroll, and these are great coaches. And Shanahan, I think you're better served letting the scouting department, the GM, run the draft and have a huge say as well. So, by the way, Gruden in with the Raiders, when he was with the Raiders, had final say their drafts were a mess. So, you know, it's hard enough to be a great GM or a great coach individually to do both, I think is virtually impossible.

Andy Reid, by the way, famously, Brett Veach runs the show. I'll do the games. But this whole thing is just, you know, it is, people are not comfortable with it. You know, it's different. What do you, Colin, what do you make of this report? It is interesting, though. And I feel sort of a Bob Knight. thing here and a little bit of a Tony Larusa thing when you have success and you get older and stuff

changes. I mean, analytics have changed baseball and there's no question in the NFL. It went from a defensive league. It was a run game defensive league until the NFL had to write an $800, $900 million CTE check. And it got offensive very quickly. Bill did not age well. He didn't. I mean, Bob Knight, I don't want to do one and done. He did not age. well. So it doesn't matter how brilliant you are. If you're not willing to adapt, the greatest businessman can look outdated very quickly. It's the guy, it's the guy 25 years ago. I'm not using the internet. Bye-bye. Everybody's using the internet.

Colin, this was a fun story when it was like, hey, Bill Belichick, UNC, from the NFL to college. Oh, exciting. And now it's kind of become about this 24-year-old girl who's with him, interrupting negotiations with HBO over hard knocks, interrupting a CBS interview. I was totally on board for Belichick. I just think at this point UNC's probably internally being like, guys, is this what we bargained for? I don't want to say we're a laughing stock,

but anybody who talks about this is like, oh yeah, 76-year-old guy, 24-year-old girlfriend, who's now controlling the head coach of a major college football program? Well, if you hire Belichick, the idea that he's going to go, down the line and run his program like you want him to run it. I mean, by bringing Mike Lombardi over,

Mike Lombardi is a gruff, blunt, bottom line, Belichick disciple. So Bill hired a younger version of Bill. But a football guy. Yeah, a pro football guy through and through. I have no problem with that. I think college, the new model of college, is GMs and paying players. It feels like about 50 to 60 percent. It feels like pro football.

Yeah. Colin, I just wonder, like, you know, we should talk to Wojj about this because I did have him on my podcast. He's now like the GM of St. Bonaventure basketball. Okay. I'm sorry, but I don't think he's on the court with the coach talking strategy the way you saw the 24-year-old girl walking it in the middle of practice up to Belichick. Like, hey, C-O's not seen, right? They're just maybe heard behind the scenes. They're not on the field front and stuff.

center, are they? If they go 4 and O to start the season, and then they're playing Clems in the next week, will any of this matter? No. Like this is the first off season. Once the game start, if Bill's wet, that's what I'm fascinated by. I know that's not interesting. To me is, I always felt that Bill was brilliant, but college allows you 17 hours a week to practice. There's limited. That's why college coach. the ones like Sabin that have personalities and can coach are at an advantage. Bill doesn't have the personality. So his greatness is schematic excellence and details.

You're dealing with 19-year-old kids and you get 17 hours a week. The teams are just going to, the best college teams can be sloppy. Colin, listen, I'm going to say something. I don't want to get myself in trouble. You said earlier this week, everybody wants to go viral, didn't you? With the young kid and the prank call? Yeah, yeah. I'll just leave it at that.

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