The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 3 - Brady, CFB

Episode Date: August 29, 2022

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Geez, dating back about six years now. And finally, for the first time hosting the show, solo. I'm flying solo. A lot of fun here in the studio. A couple great producers who I've known for a while. Shopping it up. We've had some good guests. We have one more coming up in about 15.

minutes. We beat up on Tom Brady. Drop it some NFL actionable fantasy and gambling nuggets for you. And now our number three, we're going to open some not great news for the Rams. We'll talk about in a moment. But I have to start talking about the big news from the final weekend of the NFL preseason. No, I'm not talking about the mascot for the Ravens who popped his ACL over the weekend. I'm not talking about my Jets who went to.

3-0 in the pre-season. Jets on Instagram, pumping up Robert Sala in the locker room, fired up like he was a couple years ago when he was with the Niners on the sideline. Nope, the big story from preseason week three was Tom Brady. The 45-year-old. He's aging gracefully, although a lot of you guys reaching out to me on social media saying, hey, Brady, 11 days off. Looks like my man had some work done. I don't believe that to be the case, although I have not looked great. But if I were a body language expert and I did play one back when I was on the staff at Us Weekly, back in the day, this was over 15 years ago. Also, when I interviewed Brady twice. One of them, I don't know if I mentioned this guys, the first time I interviewed Brady was at a Victoria's Secret Party in New York City. I had just gotten a new roommate.

I'll tell this quickly. I hadn't prepared to tell this. and you're in New York City, so you've got to vet all these guys. I get this recruit, this new roommate who played football at Penn State. He was like a walk-on big dude. And I'm working at us weekly. They're like, hey, Jason, Tom Brady just won a Super Bowl. He's at this Victoria's Secret Party.

Do you want to go ask him what's going on? He was at the time married to an actress. And I was like, sure, yeah. So I tell my roommate who I barely knew, hey, I'm going to the Victoria's Secret Party. Do you want to come? He's like, oh, my gosh, of course. So we roll up Victoria's Secret models all over the place. And I see Brady.

Now, this was after one or two Super Bowls. This must have been like 2003 or four. And I just roll up to him, interrupt him with his friends. I'm like, hey, Tom, Jason, us. Can I get a couple questions? He's like, sure. His friends pair off. So we're talking for like three minutes.

My roommate's like five feet away. Like, oh, my gosh, Jason, this guy just won the Super Bowl. And I swear, this is not a joke. This is no embellishment. maybe three or four minutes into talking to Brady, this supermodel just rolls up and starts talking to Tom like, I don't exist. Like, I'm not even there. And Brady just like basically gives me the wave like we're done here, Jay.

And I just was like, okay, cool. And you just see the man in action. And I've always been respectful of Brady, never been a huge fan. But I saw a different Brady this weekend, guys. Listen to the man, the myth, the legend. Tom Brady at the podium after facing a cults, week three in the preseason. I'm 45 years old, man. There's a lot of shit going on.

So, you know, you just kind of try to figure out light the best you can. And, you know, it's a continuous process. I feel good. I feel good. What did it mean for you? I play football for a long time. So I'm pretty good at it. It doesn't take long for me to remember how to play it.

Sure, Tom. Sure. You know what he did after he said that curse word? Oh, a curse word at the podium. Probably went home, cooked him, up a nice cocktail. I know Cowherd likes to have an occasional cocktail, but you know what was in Brady's cocktail. It was kind of nasty. It was a little bit of a diminished offensive line. It was a dash of a weakened pass catching group and probably two sips of a coaching change. And I'm just telling you,

Tom Brady off an 11-day vacation. Maybe I shouldn't say vacation. 11-day hiatus from the team did not sound like the confident cocksure quarterback that we have watched for two decades. This sounded like kind of a beaten down man who's going through some stuff. I'm a, again, a fan of Brady. I respect him. I hope whatever he's going through is all right. But I'm just telling you, on the field, these Tampa Bay Buccaneers, they're going to have some problems early in the season. I'm not telling you to go out and bet Dallas in week one because I don't totally trust this Dallas team.

and that offensive line will struggle with the Bucks. But I can foresee some problems for Tom and the Bucks this year. And I don't want to be a negative Nancy out here hosting the herd, but I'm telling you the defending Super Bowl champs are going to have some problems. Now, I mentioned this, you know, we do the pre-show call before we take the air, you know, earlier this morning. and I tell the guys, Ryan and Greg, two guys I've known for a while,

that I can see the Rams maybe missing the playoffs. I'm not predicting no missed the playoffs. I'm saying I foresee some problems. And they were like silent for a second. Oh, oh, hot take. We like it. We like it, Jay. And I was like, in my head, I'm like, listen, guys,

I can do hot take happy hour. Okay? That is fun. This ain't hot take. Happy Hour. I saw one of the most shocking stats because I keep this note section in my phone for all sorts of like interesting nuggets that I read or hear. And this one is stunning to me. The Rams have one of the three toughest schedules in the NFL this season. And you'd have to look really hard to notice this. But the defending Super Bowl champs, if you look at the teams

that are favored to win the Super Bowl, based on the gambling odds, the Rams play the top eight. All eight favors to play the Super Bowl or win the Super Bowl. The Rams face them. And they face one of them, the 49ers, twice. That is an absolutely brutal schedule. The only reason it's not the toughest in the league is because they're very good. Now, to go along the offensive line theme that we've talked about during the show,

their left guard, Whitworth, the rock of that offensive line, he gone. He retired. Now, I know they're replaced him with No Boom, who has done well, but again, he's never been like a full year starter. He's a great backup. And I just wonder if you look at the offensive line. I know they have Allen Robinson in place of Beckham. I think that's a huge win.

You look at how the Rams are built. They are built very top heavy. Right? You talk about brands in the NFL. One of my favorite things Cowher does is brands for teams. I don't know if he's done this for the NFL, but like you look at the Pittsburgh Steelers. Their brand is defense.

We are in a blue collar city. We're going to win in the trenches. We're going to push you around with T.J. Watt and Company. We're going to hit hard. It's going to be you go into Pittsburgh. It's a body bag game. Pittsburgh's brand is toughness. Right?

You look at the Rams. Their brand that they're building, that they're cultivating under Sean McVeigh, which I love is we are star-driven. Fits well, right? Being in the city of Hollywood and L.A. and crowbar in your way into the stratosphere in Los Angeles is tough. So what do you do?

We are going to go with heavy on their stars, and then we'll just fill in the gaps with new guys. Go look at who cornerback two is opposite Jalen Ramsey. Go take a look. Tell me if you've heard of them. Tell me if you're familiar with this work. Listen, it worked last year. Now, Aaron Donald, Jalen Ramsey, Matt Stafford.

Like, 60% of this roster is very interchangeable. Remember, they had a great team. two years ago, and then they just lost a bunch of guys to free agency. Hey, we can afford to lose two safeties. We've got Jalen Ramsey. We've got Aaron Donald. You know, there are some holes on this team, and there is not a lot of room for error if somebody were to go down with an injury.

Now, you look at the health for McVeigh's teams, and for whatever reason, they are always healthy. They are one of the healthiest teams in the league the last three years, which is great news, right? As long as you're healthy. Now, I know some people will say, but Cam Acres, Jay, Robert Woods went down. I'm aware. There's a couple.

By and large, they have been healthy under McVeigh. Now, I know McVeigh doesn't play any guys in the preseason. Stafford has this elbow issue. I like the Rams brand. I like what they're building. I can't get past this schedule. I can't. And I think the bills are going to beat him in the opener.

And yes, I know McVeigh, 5-0 against the spread, 5-0 straight up in career season opening games. He's very good. They'll beat the Falcons. They'll beat the Falcons of the Falcons in week two. Arizona, San Fran Dallas after that, that ain't easy. It will not be easy. And then you start getting into the meat of the schedule.

You're like, damn, they come out of the by week, the early by, which is not great. They come out of the buy. They got San Francisco, Tom Brady, Arizona again, at New Orleans, at Kansas City. They've got to go to Aaron Rogers in December. They've got to go to the Chargers. I'm sorry, not to the Chargers. Chargers are a home game. But in between, I'm sorry, after Green Bay and going there, they come back for a Christmas date with Russell Wilson.

Then they stay at home to face the Chargers. I mean, you look at, who's facing tougher quarterbacks in this three game stretch than Aaron Rogers, Russell Wilson, and Justin Herbert in December and January, January 1 for the Chargers game, when everything's going to be on the line? Now, I know the NFC's down and I like the Rams, but. You know, music practically fell out, dropped the phone when I said, I think there's a scenario where the Rams missed the playoffs. Some people, I believe Coward, has the Rams in the Super Bowl again. That's insanity. Music, Rams, playoffs, Super Bowl, or missed the playoffs?

Jason, I would say that I almost called Colin on vacation and said, Colin, we've made a horrible mistake. It's 815. Is there any way we can set you up on a remote broadcast? Because Jason's going to come to the airwaves with just some torts. total lunacy that will just bring down the credibility of this show. Now, listen, I get what you're saying. I think when you look at the Rams, anything short of catastrophic injuries across the board,

which is equally as likely for just about any team in the NFL, it's not that they're just star-driven, is that they're so star-driven across the board in most key positions. Losing just one of them won't topple their season. I mean, you look at last year, they had almost just as tough as a schedule last year with the teams that they played. And it almost prepared them for the trials that you have to go through in the postseason. So sure, if they lose a Jalen Ramsey, that would very much hurt their defense. And maybe it would take them out of the Super Bowl. But unless you lose a Jalen Ramsey and Aaron Donald and a Cooper Cup,

I just don't see them as the type of team that would be like, oh, wow, somehow they only won nine games. year because it just didn't really work out. Now, there's a reason why, you know, since the 0203 or 0304 Patriots are the only ones who have ever won back-to-back Super Bowls, so I can understand why you'd have your hesitation about them being back-to-back Super Bowl champs. But simply making the playoffs considering there are multiple wild cards up for grabs, I think it's a stretch. Okay.

Listen, I'm not betting against the Rams to miss the playoffs. I just think there is a scenario that's not unbelievably bad where they missed the playoffs. You look at those linebackers. I know people are already probably sending me messages. Bobby Wagner, Bobby Wagner. Folks, there's a reason there wasn't like a robust market for Bobby Wagner. I like McVeigh a lot. I read a great story on him by Seth Wickersham recently about his work ethic.

And I'm all in on McVeigh. The dude is really likable. I like Stafford a lot. Cooper Cup is like my favorite receiver. I was at Rams Niners, the NFT Conference Championship game. I've never heard a stadium louder than. so-fi. It was a crucial third down driving for the go-ahead score. And I told my kids, you know, yelling at them two feet away from me. Cooper Cup, watch Cooper Cup. And Cooper Cup put a move on the

cornerback on the slant, broke two tackles. And it was deafening. I'll remember it forever. And what was really funny was this 49ers fan. There were some like rowdy, drunk 49ers fans. And they are, I mean, I took my, he was 11 years old. I took him in the bathroom. I was like, listen, earmuffs this, just, and there's just obscenities, like real vile stuff getting yelled by these drunk Niners fans. And, like, one of the 49ers fans was so devastated after the Cooper Cup play. He just walks up the stairs, puts his hands on his head, falls down like five stairs, and like onto the, behind us.

My kids are like, oh, my God, this guy dead. He just pops up, he was fine. But it was just like, I like the Rams. They're easy to root for, and I'm not rooting for them to miss the playoffs. And I know this is doom and gloom to say, oh, come on, Rams could miss the playoffs. Guys, they were 7 and 4 at one point last year. They also won their final three playoff games by a field goal apiece. They were not a dominant team like we've seen in the past with some others.

Other Super Bowl champions. All right, coming up next here on The Herd, Jason McIntyre, in for Colin Cowherd. We got an NBA reporter coming in to talk a little Lakers. That's next. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeard Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged.

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I told the producers, I got a curveball for you to open up. The first question, everybody's talking about, oh, hey, Lakers, man, they got another point guard. We're in great shape. All this going on. Dan, I'm looking at the Lakers roster, and I am asking you, give me the names of their small forwards in what has become a largely wing league, right? Three and D. Who do you have on the wing? You can defend like the Jason Tatums of the world. Michael Porter Jr., Kawhi Leonard.

Who are their wings? And maybe you start with LeBron, who either is the point guard of the wing. Yeah, I mean, I think that's probably where it starts from like a sort of defining standpoint. And then also you have Anthony Davis, who's a pretty versatile defender too. but you're right it is a big hole in this team the guy that's probably closest

to being what you would consider like a traditional wing is Troy Brown and yeah you know Juan Tiscano Anderson maybe a little bit and then what you just start doing in this was an issue

they had last year is like then you start like kind of overcasting right like well we know Austin Reeves is like a tough player, right? And you saw him really try to get his nose dirty guarding, you know, twos in the league. And if he could do it against the guy that's four, what about, like, maybe he'll try against

the guy's six. Oh my God. You know, like, maybe Lonnie Walker's athletic enough. Like, you start to talk yourself into this stuff. Like, yeah, I mean, this is a team that's missing sort of, you know, I mean, they had him last year. This isn't a great example because he wasn't very good for him last year. Like, they're missing Trevor a reason.

Yes. Right? Like, they're missing some version. of like, you know, a 28 to 31 year old guy who can, you know, spread his arms wide and defend on the wing and then step in and hit, you know, open shots. The trouble is, is like, this is something that everybody wants. Yeah. You know, this is something that everybody looks for. And generally speaking, something that people pay a premium for.

And the Lakers, because of their roster construction, because of the way that they have, um, you know, prioritize max players. Like, they don't have flexibility. And that's so you start, you gamble on Troy Brown. You know, and look, Troy Brown might have a good year, right, Jason? Like, there's some things to like shot it pretty well last year in limited usage in Chicago. It was a great defensive player at Oregon in the Pack 12. But the rub is, even if he is good, let's say he is like Malik Monk good for them.

Oh, my gosh. They can't sign him. They can't resign him. Like, they don't have his bird rights. he will then enter free agency you know free to get whatever and the Lakers will have to dip in the cap space to keep them so it's a tough

it is a tough hole in the roster and I think as they continue to sort of look at options you know with what to do sort of next because I think everybody kind of agrees that there will be some version of a next or at least they'd like they need there to be another version of a next you start like okay well where can we find one of those guys

I mean he was drafted you're right out of Oregon with some promise, barely lasted in Washington, Chicago. Like, again, I know people are going to be like, who cares about the wing? Like, the wing is heavy in this league. Like, they had Carmelo Anthony playing on the wing. Dan, how many nights did he get cooked badly? Like, they can't guard Luca Donchich, and LeBron can't do it at 38. Well, especially couldn't do it last year when he needed to do as much on offense, right?

So, like, that's sort of the issue. Now, I mean, this sounds kind of ludicrous, but this is, like, where Patrick Beverly does help. some. You can guard these players with smaller players. It's not ideal. You don't want to do it all the time, but it is kind of a curve over. You're right. What if you have Dallas in the playoff series? Who's going to guard Devin Booker if you're playing Phoenix?

Lonnie Walker, maybe? Yeah, I mean, that's, if it works out, you know, if everything goes to projection, like it'll be one of those younger athletic cats if you sawson Reeves, who knows. Or maybe it's Player X who is on another team right now. I mean, I will say that like when you hear a lot about these sort of

kind of Lakeer trade permutations, I'm sure we'll get into that. Yep. You don't hear though, like there isn't like some Tony Allen type dude out there that's like a part of any of these bags. Right. They're just like it doesn't really feel that way. It feels like it'll be more around shooting, which will then kind of, you'll have to do it on a team defensive way.

And it's not impossible. It's, you know, I mean, Catevis Caldwell Pope, Danny Green are good defenders. Yeah. they weren't, they're not Tony Allen type defenders, and the Lakers had the best defensive league and won a title with those guys. Yeah. Kuzma,

was their wing then, right? He was pretty good. He came off the bench, yeah. And Kyle got better defensively, but it was nobody would have ever mistaken Kyle Kuzza. Early in the Frank Vogel era as like a viable defensive wing. Like that, he worked into that. But even still, like, Kyle Kuzma,

even if he was having a bad defensive day, it was still six-nine. Yeah. And long. So all this leads. to the potential rumors of a Westbrook deal, right? And Buddy Heald is not a wing. He's more of a shooting

guard, and I don't know about his defense. Miles Turner, very good interior defender, but you look at this Utah alleged discussion, and maybe Bogdanovich is this missing wing. He's what, 6'9, again, he's not a fleet of foot, but...

And he's not really a defender, Jason. Correct. I mean, he, like, fits at least sort of the like the prototypical mold when it comes to size, you know? Like, and it's weird. Like, you would love to have a guy who doesn't on both ends the ball, but like those guys...

They're tough to find. They're not available, right? Like, they're just not. At least certainly not for what the Lakers are going to be trading here. So you start to find guys that can maybe do, you know, a couple different things. Like, you know, I look at Bogdanovich and I see a much more offensive amount of player, a great shooter. An underrated, create off the dribble player, too, like a good,

just a good offensive basketball player with some toughness and again good size. And I think, you know, that makes sense for this team. I mean, quite frankly, a lot of stuff makes sense for this team. It's funny. And I think, and I mean, again, that's sort of where they're at today. Is they still, you know, I think they make more sense today with Patrick Beverly than they did with Taylor and Horton Tucker, at least in the short term. It certainly makes more sense because Tailin Horton Tucker is sort of a wing,

but not in that traditional sense really at all. So, yeah, I mean, one of the guys they traded away was Stanley Johnson in that trade. Yeah, that would be one of those guys for them. There's your wing, you know, perfect wing guy. Now, Dan, I got to ask, I know some Lakers fans who were, A, outraged at Patrick Beverly. Like, I hate that guy. He's a jerk. He's a heel.

I want nothing to do with him. He's been like a Naker nemenesis for years, especially when he was with the Clippers. And then they upstage out by, gosh, his Lakers team stinks. I can't remember a time that a LeBron-led team was this disrespected. The Clippers are perceived as way better. The Warriors, obviously, defending champs are way better. The Lakers, they're not even the third-best team in the West. I mean, there's still Phoenix.

You could argue Denver. Hell, Dallas. I mean, keep going, yeah. So it's weird. Are we almost to the point we're undervaluing a LeBron-led Lakers team? Or is this just the reality? They just ain't that good. I mean, they were the 11th last year in the Western Conference.

you know, and I think they were 11th for a lot of reasons. Injuries were a part of them, but they weren't the only reasons. And that team's sort of inflexibility has been passed down to this teams. You know, they've gone about things very differently this summer. They aren't, you know, they're not looking at veterans. They're not looking at guys that are going to be, I mean, this is not a team that is going to put five Hall of Namers on the court at the same time like they did last year potentially, depending on what you think of Rajan Rondo's. sort of bona fides as a Hall of Famer. That's not going to be this team, you know,

but they're going to be younger, they'll be faster, and we'll see if that means better. It doesn't always. You know, but they seem like they've adjusted in that way, but, you know, at the end of the day, I mean, it's still going to come down to what happens with Russell Westbroke, either as a player in a Laker uniform, you know, finding his way or as a piece that the Lakers have to add value.

you to bring back and kind of almost undo. It's like the Control Z on the Westbrook deal, where you send him out for, you know, three role players, like kind of what they did when they acquired. Yeah, all right. We can wrap up with this one, Dan. More of a savior, as you hear to the Lakers from delusional Laker fans. Is it Kendrick Nunn, who did not play at all last year?

Or is it Cold Swindler? Or should I toss in Scotty Pippin Jr.? Who is saving the Lakers this year? I mean, it's funny you mentioned. in some of those names. Like there, there, there is sort of like, you know, this notion. And I will say, like, Jason, it does speak to the fact that the Lakers have, like, done really well, like, guys that they've drafted or signed that you can be like, well, you know, Scotty Heaven Jr. is going to give us some really good defensive garden.

It's like, no, like two-way players don't do this as a general rule, right? Like, normally they kind of, you know, they'll be playing for the South Bay Lakers and Maynand Beach and maybe have a nice year. And then, you know, hopefully you convert him to a full-time deal next year and he competes for a spot in camp. It's like, that's normally the pathway, right? The Lakers have because they've been so picked strapped have turned that on its head a little bit. I think you look at

what Austin Reef did last year and say, okay, like, give us that from everybody. Kendrick Nunn is interesting because it is sort of like, people forget he's on the team. They got three point cards, right? They got three right now. I mean, and that's sort of the issue, right?

It's sort of like, okay, you have these guys, like you said, you're always looking for winglick. There's a team that is very stack full of guards. It is a guard market. Like when you talk about a lot of these sort of, you know, kind of trade machine deals, like it usually has one, if not two guards coming back to the Lakers in the situation. So there's a good team that's going to be small in that sense, and they're going to have to figure out a way to overcome that. But yeah, it's funny. I mean, I just think it's, in one hand, it's a sign of respect for those other guys, but it's also speaks to kind of the problem that the Lakers are in in the front office situation where

you need to look to your two-way players to say, like, we need you to fill in this gap. Yeah, all right. Dan, Woyke, L.A. Times. Keep up the good stuff, Dan. Thanks for taking the time this morning. All right, thanks, Jason. Have a good week. All right. Dan, trying to put some optimism on the Lakers. It's tough right now. All right, music, let's get to the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, Jason, I've tried to be the optimistic one here this morning. You've been a bit of the pessimist. you know, a bit of a little negativity coming from the other side of the glass over there

and the host chair. But I do have a bit of unfortunate breaking news coming out of L.A. and Major League Baseball, that's right, yeah. Despite the fact that Dodgers are a ridiculous 50 games over 500 right now. Another hit to their pitching staff. Their ace, Tony Gonsolin, has been placed on the 15-day IL with a right forearm strain. Now, this is in addition to who was supposed to be their top ace coming into the season, Walker Bueller. He battled injuries for most of the season and has been ruled out for the remainder of the year after getting Tommy John surgery for the second time in his career. Clayton Kershaw is potentially returning this upcoming weekend in their series against the Mets.

That's according to their manager, Dave Roberts. However, Kershaw is in year 15. He's had injuries earlier this year. He spent time on the injured list back in May, and he recently last pitched on August 4th, so he'll be coming off about a month dealing with this latest injury. On the positive side of this, they do still have Tyler Anderson, who's having a career year, 13 and 2, 269 ERA. He was an all-star for the first time.

And in other good news, Mookie Betts, who had injuries earlier in the season, has been red hot in August, hitting 333, eight home runs, 17 RBI just in the month of August. So not good for the Dodgers. Obviously, coming into the year, considered some of the World Series favorites. They've been winning games all year despite injuries all across the board, whether it's been pitchers, whether, like I said earlier,

Mookie Betts had injuries early in the year. But this latest hit to the rotation, hopefully it's only 15-day IL right now for Tony Gonsolin, so they still have time to get them some rest, maybe get them right before the playoffs. But that would be a big, big hit to their rotation, considering they already lost Walker Bueller. Big week for the Dodgers, right?

They got the Mets for three and then the Padres. I know you're down on the Padres. I think they'll be all right. You say I'm down on the Padres like that's a personal opinion. That's just a fact. They have not necessarily been good since winning the trade deadline by getting Juan Soto, which is great. Juan Soto is a fantastic player.

But they traded for Josh Hater and I think I heard, I either heard or read. I can't remember exactly where it came from. But he has something like a 25 ERA and like six appearances for the Padres. So that's not like me trying to pull up some deep saber metrics to try and convince you some team is bad when they're in fact good. Those are just indisputable at that point. Fair enough. Okay. All right.

We will turn our attention back to the NFL for these final two stories, Jason. Well, when the commanders, the Washington commanders, kick off their season hosting the Jaguars in week one, it will be Carson's third team in three years. Some people, and I'm looking at you right now, Jason, some people have their doubts about Wentz now, and you could even call some of them haters. But once is trying to tune out all those haters. he was asked about how the preseason went and how they feel going into the regular season. Quote, obviously we've put some good, we've put some bad, put some ugly out on tape. It's not been perfect, but I like where we're at. That's the mindset.

It's definitely not perfect. We're building and growing as a team every step of the way. But I really like where we're at, and I'm optimistic. So you may be down on Washington, but Carson Wentz isn't. I just, I don't understand the optimism. Carson Wentz is on his third team in three years, right? That is correct. He got kicked to the curb by the Eagles.

He wouldn't listen. He fought with Doug Peterson. The Colts were so sick of him. They got rid of him because he choked in the final game of the season. It caused him in the playoffs. And now Washington's optimistic all of a sudden? What am I missing here? By the way, Chase Young, their best defensive player, starting on the Pupplist.

I think he's out for the first four games. Yes, that is certainly not great for... And they're running back, Antonio Gibson, who was really... good last year is on special teams now. He's like third, I don't know what the hell's going on there. And the guy that should have been there starting running back, who I told my brother to draft in fantasy, Robinson just got shot yesterday. And it sounds like, yeah, he was getting a carjacked or something.

It sounds like he's maybe we'll play later in the season. So this is just, I don't want to say they're cursed, but this Daniel Snyder black cloud hovering over the team. Look, there's certainly reasons to be cautious about how, good Washington could potentially be in the short term of this upcoming season. I'm not sitting here trying to be some big Carson Wentz defender, but I think if you look at what they've been able to accomplish the past couple seasons and what they had at quarterback, it's almost undeniable that they've at least upgraded somewhat at the position.

Now, I don't think there are going to be some NFC powerhouse. No. Just, you know, competing with the likes of the Rams, the buccaneers for the division. but I think in a big picture sense, they clearly upgraded in that regard. Okay. And we'll finish up with the Steelers. One of the last remaining quarterback battles, if you will,

although I don't know if it's going to end up being much of a battle. As they wrap things up over the weekend, an impressive showing for their veteran quarterback, Metro Trubisky, who went 15 for 19 with a touchdown against the lines, essentially locking up that starting position in week one of the regular season. Over first round draft pick, Kenny Pickett, who was impressive throughout the preseason. When talking about the preseason and where he feels heading into the regular season, Trubisky said this at the conclusion. I think I've just shown I can run this offense.

I could lead this offense and I have what it takes to help this team win games. Some confidence from Mitchell. Maserati Mitch or is he Mazda Mitch? I think it's money Mitch. Oh, how many passes did Mitchell Trubisky throw last season? over under 50. Over under 50. That's for sure under. Yes, yes.

Yeah, not even close. He was basically the caddy for Josh Allen. Like, hey, Josh, hey, good job, buddy. But he was in the playoffs two years ago. Remember with the Bears? That's true. Yeah, again, they lost to the Saints, I think. Correct.

I just, I don't see it. I think by like week four he'll be out and Kenny Pickett will be in. Yeah, I'm with you. I struggle to see why the Steelers don't just go with Kenny Pickett. I understand if you wanted to start with Mitch in the preseason and you bring Kenny Pickett in the positions that you brought him in, you know, in the second half, not as the starter. And if Pickett struggled, then I totally get why you would continue moving forward

with like, okay, we're going to go with the veteran Mitch, you know, see Kenny Pickett's clearly struggling to come along. But he played well. So why you're not ready to just turn the page and go to him knowing that that's what your future is going to be and why you're just delaying the inevitable, trying to make it work with Mitch Chubisky just doesn't make sense to me.

Yeah, I'm with you, man. I think the only thought is Tomlin wants to be conservative, let's not lose the game, and let's try to get T.J. Watt, who, by the way, got hurt and then final proceeding. But, like, Kenny Pickett wasn't some college superstar known for being like a gun slinger out there. I'm serious.

So I don't get where even that would be your apprehension. I think it's just rookies are a little. little more skittish. They haven't seen defenses. You know, Mitch has seen a lot. Oh, yeah. Mitch Trubisky, known for being a stoic in the pocket. Tuck and run, baby.

Yeah. Tuck and run. Come on. I just, it doesn't, I don't get it. I don't get it. I don't see, we've never seen anything from Mitch Trubisky at any point in his career that should ever give you like, hey, that guy's a proven vet who can handle the big moment.

Like, okay, I get it. Early in his career, it wasn't his fault that Cody Parky did the double doing. Oh, that cost me money, by the way. Yeah, I'm sure. did. It cost a lot of people money. But like I just I don't see it. We've never seen it from Trubisky so it doesn't make sense. And you mentioned the double doink. Nicely done music. All right.

Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The third line news. We will wrap up the show with college football winners. I'm just going to give out some winners for this coming weekend. I know Greg Tooey's a big Texas guy. I don't think

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This guy has good seats too. I would love to go to Lakers games this season. I'll just offer that up. Look at you. So basically what we've learned on this show is you are going to be spending time trying to acquire and invite yourself to charge your games and Laker games this season.

Here's the cool thing about Lakers games. So I can get a media pass for FS1. do FS1 shows, I want to go to Lakers game. So I'll go like 90 minutes to two hours before the tip, and I'll just go court side and just watch guys warm up. And it's really awesome. Like James Harden, a foot in front of you working on all his permutations. And Steph Curry and Luca Donchit, you can hear the chatter.

And then I happen have got to know some of the, not the players, but trainers and talk to them. It just feels cool. I'm a bit of a gym rat. I'm sure you saw my. Are you there taking notes trying to replicate for your Tuesday? morning leagues? So, from Tuesday morning league. So I did win a local championship

out here in L.A., obviously. We had a former Notre Dame quarterback on our team. I thought that it was, when you walked in this morning, I was trying to see what it was. I didn't know if it was a haircut, a shirt. It's the presence of greatness. Basketball Chief Championship. It's the title. But like, you know, you're around some of these guys, and I got to know Jared Dudley a little bit. He comes

and does some FS1. Sure, yeah. And then Jared Dudley's warming up. This is like three or four years ago before a game. He just comes up to me, courts out. Jay Mack, what up? How you doing? and like the people around me are like, who's this clown? Why is Jared Dudley talking to this nobody? And I was just like, oh, good to know players. Anyways, all right, let's get to best for last music.

Is there music for it? Yes, thank you. All right. For over two hours, I've been telling you guys, I'm going to Vegas this week. I'm laying the lumber on some college football bets. I did just look. Some of these lines have moved.

For instance, if I told you without looking, Tewy, Notre Dame, is a big dog against Ohio State. How big of an underdog do you think they are? I know this because I just saw the Marcus Freeman quote about using it as motivation. Dude, I saw this at 14 and a half over the summer. I say it's 17 and a half now. That's massive.

Now, I'm not touching the Irish. I'm not touching them with Ryan Music's money. I'm sorry, I can't do it. Ohio State's loaded. I mean, listen, Ohio State's got like three potential highspin winners on offense. I like the running back. Obviously, everybody likes the quarterback. He could be the Jets QB next year.

I'm not advocating laying big money on a 17.5 point favorite, but I don't see Ohio State losing this game, but I'm also not betting on them to cover that big number. So I would walk away from that one. Now, a couple of our guests today have touched on Utah, the Utes, two and a half point favorites, favorites in Florida. A lot of people are going to see that and their head's going to spin. You can't just go into the swamp and get a W.

I think it's in the swamp. Utah minus 152 on the money line. So you've got to lay 152 bucks to win 100. I'll say this about Florida. I love their quarterback and the potentially as Anthony Richardson. He's one of these boom bus guys. He had like 100 dropbacks last year. But you can see he's like a 6-5 quarterback.

There's some Cam Newton in him. It's tough to bet against Florida, but I like Utah and Kyle winning him. I'm just saying if you want to bet Utah to win the Natty, I know it's crazy. It's going to be Ohio State or Alabama. but if you think Utah has a chance, get them before this game. Because if they go to Florida and happen to win kind of big, I think the odds will go down and you won't get as good of a number. I like Utah to win that game.

If you're looking at two dogs, Cincinnati, the Bearcats, Desmond Ritter has moved on, sauce gardeners playing with my jets now. There are seven and a half point underdogs at the Arkansas Razorbacks, Pig Sui. I think Cincinnati goes in there and has a chance to win this game outright. 7 and a half is a little disrespectful for a team that made the playoff last year. I think they can keep it close. This feels like a 3127 Arkansas.

I like Cincinnati. I'll be taking the Bearcats plus the Tuddy and the hook. And finally, Georgia defending national champions, led by Kirby Smart, 17.5 point favorites against Oregon. And folks, I'm just saying Oregon is going to surprise some people. They look good last year against Ohio State on the road. I mean, they look great in that game. I think they will pull out all the stops here. Bo Nix, not going to be daunted by this deep south environment.

Obviously a pro-Georgia crowd, probably 75-25 Georgia. I think Oregon covers the number. I'll take the hook. My prediction, Saturday afternoon, the hook is gone. I would not be surprised to see a 16 and a half. Give me the ducks, baby. Quack! Quack!

Music, how you like it? You and Schwartz. Yeah, I think I'm on the Ducks. I've been texting him about this. I have some people in Vegas who are saying that hook will absolutely be gone by game day. We'll see. I think the dumb money comes in on Georgia,

the smart big money, the influential money comes in on the Ducks. Wow. You're high on the Ducks. I am. I'm bullish on Oregon. In this spot, 17 and a half is a huge number.

It is. It is. And considering, I mean, look, I know Georgia and their recruiting is going to be top level, continuing year and year out, what Kirby Smart has done. But they just lost so much, and it's not necessarily, they didn't win the national championship last year because of their offense. And they lost a ton off of that defense. So I could see where you're coming from on that. How about this one? A guy I follow on Twitter just posted point

totals have just gone up for week one now that the preseason is over. NFL week one. The Jets point total is 18 and a half with Joe Flacko under center against the Ravens. How the hell are the Jets getting 18 and a half points? That number's at least a point off. Now, maybe they're saying Zach Wilson, who was riding a bike on the sideline. I'm sure you saw this, watching the Jets Giants game. He's looking like it's fine. Couldn't be pulled away from the TV, yeah.

But Baltimore's defense is healthy. Baltimore's going to win special teams. I don't see a world where Joe Flacco gets a Jets over 17 and a half to 18 and a half. I think you've got to hammer the under there. I mean, isn't like single digits more likely for the... It is, but maybe. there's a fluke, Lamar Jackson fumble, scoop and score, and the Jets get an easy touch-out. That's being optimistic.

Very optimistic, yeah. So I don't know. Who's your NFL team, too? Is it the Houston Texans? Yes, sadly. I don't admit that anymore, though. I'm in a dark place. No, he's on the Davis Mills campaign trail.

Give it to me. Rough. Now, Davis Mills coming out of high school was like a five-star, right? He was the number one recruit in the country coming out of Atlanta. Like a pro-style quarterback here? But he's one of those guys, Yogi Roth mentioned earlier. Like, some of these guys during COVID, they really got screwed because they didn't play. Stanford never did anything.

They were shut down, basically. So we really don't know what he is. No, we do. We watched him last. I mean, we do. You know what I mean? Yeah, so that was Stanford. Then he was in the NFL and we watched him. Whatever.

I mean, listen, he was decent in spots. Listen, I bet the Chargers in a must-win game in Houston, it killed me. It knocked me out of a survivor pool. It's weird how, like, the media loves him. So ticked on. The media loves it. And even play, like, people think he's going to have a great.

year. I don't know. A great year? Who's his best receiver? Cooks? Who's her number two receiving? Nico Collins? Oh dear. The kid from Michigan? It's going to be a long year. Yeah, yeah, from Michigan. I mean, they're all long when you guys lost Watson, but there's always the draft next year. Right? Bryce Young, come on down. I'm curious to know if they're going to end up moving Laramie Tunsell at some point. Yeah, no, that'll be interesting. I just saw Alex Leatherwood from the Raiders, apparently his trade bait. Remember he was a first round pick? Bust. And the Raiders are already looking to ship him out of town. Anyways, listen, That puts an end to a fun as hell three hours.

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