The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - Breaking down the rookie QBs

Episode Date: November 26, 2024

Colin talks to Fox Sports NFL analyst Mark Sanchez who breaks down each of the rookie QBs Caleb Williams, Bo Nix and Jayden Daniels. Plus, former Cardinals General Manager Steve Keim joins the show in studio to discuss how he'd handle the Aaron Rodgers situation with the Jets and what he sees in Shedeur Sanders as an NFL prospectSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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All right, and with that, we bring him on. We love having Mark Sanchez on, joining us in studio, Fox Sports NFL analyst. By the way, Mark has Seahawks at the Jets. He had Seahawks, Arizona this weekend, which was one of the better performances by Seattle this year. Mark, as always, it is great to see you. Great to see you. It is, you know, what's been interesting is to watch the path of these young quarterback.

So, Bow, Knicks, choppy, getting there, wow. Right. Jaden Daniels, wow, plateaued. Caleb, wow, whoa, wow, where are we at? So I want to start with Caleb. He's the one that's had a coaching change. I watched him the last two weekends. There was a lot to like.

Oh, there's plenty to like. even in his worst games, there's still stuff to like that jumps off the tape that you say, okay, I can build around that. Sure. I got to fix this, but I can build around that.

I think the biggest issue for him is this kind of just delays his overall progress, right? In year one, to go through a coaching change and a potential head coaching change the next year, like, who knows what that's going to look like. So that can only delay his growth and maturation process in the NFL as a quarterback.

Yeah. or an impactful quarterback, right? So this year, to me, becomes a little more of a redshirt year, barring them going on an absolute heater and winning every game from here on out, they got to play the Packers, they got to play the Lions twice, Vikings, like, okay, if that happens, then we're having a different conversation. And you figure it out, you put a Band-Aid on it and a little duct tape, and hopefully you make a run.

Great. I don't see that happening here. I hope they prove me wrong. So this is basically a redshirt year. I want them to get reps, get tape, make all the mistakes now. It's almost like playing pickup basketball in a way, where you're going to play pickup this year,

just run around, have fun, try and figure it out, see who you are as a player, mature as much as you can. And then next year we're going to put you in a structure, a structured league, NJB or youth basketball, youth sports, whatever, and we're going to give you some parameters the way we'd like you to play, your footwork, your eyes, your read, your timing, all that stuff.

So I think that's kind of where he's at in his development. And it's really too bad because you want these guys to have time on task and sweat equity in a system with one coach over a long period of time. That's the best recipe for success. Okay, so obviously Bo Nix is playing well and has a great offensive coach. Because he had 61 college starts and because it's Sean Payton, am I to suspect that this is kind of what he is, He doesn't have much beyond this,

but he was ready because all of his college starts. He was ready to play. He was definitely ready to play. Having been in more situations than most guys. Two conferences, yeah. Right. And especially back to his Auburn days where they're not blowing teams out like Oregon was.

I mean, those are competitive games. A lot of times they were getting beat, you know, learning how to play like that. Yeah. Because that was one of the things that I struggled with coming into the league is I had never won a fourth quarter comeback game. By the time I was a rookie, I didn't win one my entire rookie year.

And then my second year, we won like three or four in a row, last play, last second, last drive type games. And we racked up a bunch of fourth quarter overtime wins. And you graduated. And it was a step for me. But until you handle those situations, you never know how guys are going to handle them in the league, even if they've had them. Right? I'd prefer you'd been in that situation. but most of the time at SC, I mean, I mean, we lost what, two games that I started?

So in those two losses, sure, we had a chance to come back at Oregon State and we lost. And I threw a pick and we lost. So those kind of experiences are important. And I'd rather my guys get those. If I'm coaching the quarterback, I'd rather he had those experiences than not. But you never know how it's going to come out in the league for sure. And so that's why you want everything else in place. You want a great supporting cast.

You want the right coordinator. You want time on task. And then let's see how he does. And if it doesn't work the first time, let's give him a few more opportunities at it and see where we shake out. But it's real when you get to that next level, dude. It's for real. I was saying this, I think in the media, we tend to look at the greatest, Tiger Woods. And instead of just acknowledging, oh, there's never been anybody that good, we pick apart the Phil Mickelsons who can't beat him.

And it's like some of this is just, like, Rory McElroy. It's like, no, Roy's great. You going Chiefs? Well, no, no, I'm actually going Lamar Jackson. Oh, okay. And everybody's like, well, you know, he can't beat Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes. Yeah, yeah. And by the way, Peyton Manning, for a long time, couldn't beat Brady Belichick.

This is not a criticism of Lamar. I like him throwing 26 times or less because that means they are staying on identity. I like him running. If you throw an idea at a fastball, I don't want to see your break. stuff throw gas i get it and so when we criticize lamar i look at it is no no no he can pass it 34 times yeah his identity is making defensive coordinators sleep in the facility three days yeah because you're not sure what you can do like last night's a great example you just give him enough snaps he's gonna make you look at sure i think some of it is um we talked about opportunities for

quarterbacks as rookies, you know, limited opportunities at a fourth quarter comeback, let's say, if they've blown everybody out in college. Well, it's similar with this guy, meaning how many times is the defensive coordinator that he's playing against going to force him into known passing situations? There's just limited time on task because he makes guys miss in the backfield that are completely free runners. I mean, at one point, he just put the ball behind his back and put a shake on, I think it was Tart or somebody. What? Are you kidding me? So the defensive coordinator

can't plan for that. He's planning for, are we getting the free runner? Do I have the right numbers? Am I going to force them into a drop-back situation? The thing they can't account for is his playmaking ability. His ability to just, you know, shift gears, go off script,

and his athleticism. You can't account for that. So the real question is he'll prove himself as a passer in the playoffs again. This is what we talked about last year. He's got to prove himself as a passer. Third down, red zone, throws, attempts, you know, attempts, completions, touchdowns. That's where he's really going to be judged. These coordinators are judged by how many situations, how many times can you get him into that? Because if you don't, good luck. You keep them up first and second down, getting

first downs. Don't force them in a third and long. Don't turn him into a passer. Good luck, dude. You know, I said when Tua made 53 million base, I said it's more than I'm comfortable with, but I watched Miami without him. They couldn't pick up first downs. They're on fire now. He completes 77% of his throw, so he's obviously got value. I want to see guys get paid. Brock pretty to me, same size, now in his second injury, athletic but not wow, is sort of Tua. To me, I think Tua is a prettier thrower.

They both have very good offensive coaches. Shanahan, Mike McDaniel, they both have weapons. So as I say that, I think Tua's better than I give him credit for. I think Pertie's not quite as gifted as everybody else gives him credit for. If you paid two of 53 large, Pertie's agents not going, I'll take 30. What? What am I wrong? No, this is a lot of it's just preference, like chocolate ice cream, strawberry ice cream, vanilla ice cream.

You like Pertie a lot. Some of it's just preference. and what you like and the way you're built to win. And a lot of it is timing as well. Just the timing and the market, right? Just because I'm buying this house and it says it's worth $2.5 million, the value of that house might not be that, but real estate's skyrocketing right now.

So I can't really avoid that. I can't say, hey, six years ago, this would have been, you know, 1.2. Why don't we work with those numbers? Because people are like, no, dude, it's a recency bias thing. So with Brock, he's just the next guy in line. Whatever Dax was, boom, level me up. And that's kind of the way it goes until somebody changes that. So that's the way that's going to go, whether you like Brock or not.

The only argument to the two of stuff, I would say, would be, if I'm putting my Joel clatt hat on. Sure, sure, sure. is they weren't that great with him when he got hurt. Like they were losing the bills, I want to say, week two or week three, whenever he went down, they weren't playing great with him. So those next four games, whenever it's like, oh, we don't have two at, well, they weren't that good before.

Now that we have a bigger sample size, it's obvious. It's totally obvious. They need him. He's a great facilitator for that group that they have. And then when it's time to take shots and pierce the defense, he's got that too. So they have everything they want, but I think when it comes to contracts and Purdy and all that, it's really going to hamstring that organization because it's going to be hard to keep everybody. If you pay the quarterback that, you can't keep everybody.

And they've been getting away with that for the last four or five years. All right. So I want to get into, so I really thought off a buy, I look at Arizona. They have a real offensive identity. And you did this game. And I'm like, boy, Seattle, good luck with this one. Yeah. Now, I didn't, I mean, Arizona had played great for a month.

I know. And that's an organization that I rarely trust, and I finally bought in. And they burned you? Well, I mean, Gino had a pick in the end zone. I mean, they gave Seattle, gave Arizona opportunities, but the pass rush was incredible. And J-Mack and I have talked about this. What is Gino Smith? Well, he's tall.

He moves. He's got a good arm. I get why Pete Carroll was like, you can win a lot of games with this guy. Like, I totally get it. It's not a size or movement. He'll throw the occasional wince, but that's life. You have a play for it. Your thoughts on how should I look at Gino?

Well, I think it's fair to compare him to his first year starting two years ago, where he led the league in completion percentage, comeback player of the year, pro bowl or all that. And then last year took a dip in production completion percentage-wise and then touchdown to interception-wise. He started off like three-to-one, three-two-one, three-two-one, touchdowns one interception that's great last year was like two to one and this year it's almost one to one or it is one right right um so he's tied i think for leading the league in interceptions or whatever

so i think eliminating some of those where he's just gonna it's an impulse control okay issue and it's that last second is it worth it that last second is the juice worth the squeeze here right right and if i play conservative can we still give ourselves chances to win and retain possession of the football. That's the hardest thing to do as a quarterback. When it's all happening all at one time, within two seconds, you've got to make a decision that affects the outcome not only of that play, but the next drive, that game, the season, people's careers, your life as a player, you know? And in those two seconds, you have to make the right decision. And some of those things have to be premeditated. So when we start talking about this cover zero idea. Film prep and yeah, the film. Yeah, the film.

prep and all that you're almost making those decisions before they happen because when you get in the heat of the moment and you need to make the right decision if you're going to wait till you're in the backseat of the car with the pretty girl from high school to decide whether you're abstinent or not yeah it's probably not the time to make the decision right right does that make sense so if you're going to wait till those two seconds in that heated moment of the game you're probably not going to make that right decision so a lot of this is prep a lot of this is getting on the same page with the new offensive coordinator and all that stuff so if we roll this first clip the idea of cover zero is to bring one more player than you can block right so as an

offense you have options once they use their motion indicator they realize they got seven guys there i got five o lineman and a halfback i got six oh boy this is man to man there is nobody in the middle of the field here it comes here comes the pressure okay what are my answers i could change the protection i could throw it quick i could signal a route what do i want to do gino decides that he's he's going to pull from his toolkit and say, hey, listen, I'm going to bring the tight end in. I'm going to change the protection, signal the route, we're good. Well, what's Kaiser White doing? He hit the U-Chek, we check.

This is the chess match that everybody talks about. They got a veteran linebacker like Kaiser White, who's played in this system back in Philly with Gannon and says, hey, get to cover three. Boom. They checked it after Gino checked it. So now Gino's like, whoa, okay, now what? Charbonnet goes to block. his guy that he's got a block is gone.

There's nobody there. They checked. So this is a good lesson for the quarterback and running back. If there's nobody there, I need him out. Gino's looking at the routes, knowing they got the defensive check right. They guessed right. He's looking for the back. Everybody blew out of there.

Okay, where's my halfback? Where's my outlet? Charmone's still blocking. He's blocking nobody. Gino's like, dude, you're my ride home. The party's over. What's going on? Right.

You're my DD. You know what I mean? And he's in there playing beer pong. Like, dude, you can't drive me home now. I'm on my own. I'm walking home. And on the way home, he's got a problem. He sees something flash and he thinks it's a good idea to hop into another party.

Party's over. Dude, go home. Game's over. Look at this. Play's over. You're up 13 to 3. You have a chance to go up 16 to 3 and make it a two touchdown ball game, not just a two score ball game.

He ends up coming back and having a great drive to win this game. He does. Right? So you can't, like, criticize them too much. But in that moment, I guarantee he would say, yeah, dude, I was trying too hard. And I've 100% been there. You think it's there and I can fix everything with my arm. I can make it work.

They got it right. Cut bait and move on. All right. Let's see the second. So then the second one, he does it exactly right. If you roll this clip, he's going to do something similar. Motion indicator. Boom, there goes the safety.

Flat top defense. Nobody in the middle of the field. Gino has some decisions to make. You could hear it on the broadcast. he goes, Richie, Richie, Richie, which is a gap protection. Basically, they're going to slide all five offensive linemen to the left, bring the tight end on the right, bring him down in protection, and let the back go handle the C gap.

So the back has the C gap, tight end has the D gap, everybody else, you slide for all the other gaps to the left and wad it all up. You know there's going to be pressure from this side. They're going to overload your line. So somebody's going to try and break through that, and Gino's going to end up drifting away from it. You can tell Buda Baker's blitzing because the safety's stacked right on top of them. That's your indicator right there.

And Gino knows it. So Charbonnet is going to go help the tight end to the right. Gino's going to feel the pressure. He's already signaled to the receivers. Change of protection now signaled. He knows they're coming. You can feel it now. This is different than the last club.

They didn't blow out of there at the snap. They're advancing and attacking. So he gives a subtle drift away from the pressure, away from the free hitter, and he throws this beautiful out route that he signaled to Njigba. And Smith and Jigba, he basically signaled to those outside guys, clear out. Smith and Jigba, you know what to do. You got inside leverage. It's cover zero.

Boom. Break out, baby. Protection. Done. Confirm it. Done. Ball, done. So you can't tell me you can't do it.

It's just that next step. Contingency planning and impulse control. If they happen to guess right and check out of your check, you better have a plan. I'd tell you, I'd be a terrible quarterback. My impulse control is pulling. It's hard. It's hard, man. You and I love about that segment, it shows, and there's a distinction between the line between doing it right and doing it wrong.

The margin for error. You said two seconds. I don't even know if it's that. I mean, it's fast. It's, boom, boom, boom, boom. I watched the play last night by Justin Herbert, where he chose to run it in for a touchdown. And there was a guy, they showed the back view. I would have thrown it to the corner.

And he had like half a second. And I'm thinking... You and half the country watching. That guy's open. I would like, let it rip. And he made the right decision. And I don't think we understand just intellectually how hard this position is. Oh, there's a lot.

I mean, people question, how the heck could I play it? No, in my... I'm not going to get into that, but he did just fine. No, and sorry, today's my son's eighth birthday. Happy birthday, DJ. I love you, buddy. DJ? Let's hear it for DJ.

Happy birthday, DJ. I don't want to forget. Spoiled. My mom one time. my late mother said I want you to spoil your children and I said I am here to give them life lessons jumping jacks and wind sprints 8 a.m.

My mom has never been maddened. That's great. You know, you spoil your kids. That's great. So there you go. And I'm sure you do, buddy. I love it. Great seeing you.

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This is the Hurdline News. Fun game in the NBA last night, Calhurt. So, Yolkich, Murray, and Westbrook combined for almost 70 points, and the Nuggets still lost by a billion to my Knicks. New York led by 30. And the Nuggets fell to five and four at home, head coach Michael Malone.

Very fiery. He was embarrassed by the effort. Oh, fuck that, man. We're not flushing. No, no, no, no, we're not flushing. You don't flush when you get embarrassed. You don't flush when you gave up 145 points. You don't flush when you didn't play hard, didn't play with effort, didn't play with physicality. I'm not flushing anything.

Russell Westbrook, you know, I mean, he's vocal. I mean, but we need more than Russell Westbrook. You know, I need Nicole Yokic. I need Jamal Murray. I need guys that have been here. And that's starting lineup to be vocal. And, you know, tonight we got embarrassed. Well, you know, they beat the Lakers.

Maybe they're, didn't they beat the Lakers a couple days earlier? They always beat the Lakers. Yeah, and they're feeling pretty good about themselves. And it's, you know, it's NBA, it's November, not totally focused. Almost like a sad blazing five. Maybe you have a one for four. You don't flush that. You get angry, right?

You get fired up. Oh, I'm angry. The sea is angry, my friends. All right, let's get to the next story. The Chicago Bears in the midst of a five-game losing streak. They're now four and seven, Colin. Caleb Williams has played well, but quarterback Jalen Johnson is sick and tired of the same old losing.

I've been in slums four or five years in a row now. So, I mean, at the end of the day, I don't look for it. Okay, it's going to be better in the future. God damn it would be better when it's better. So, I mean, right now it's not better. That's all I can go off of. They got six players I really like. He's one of them.

Their structure is messed up. I think they have players. I don't like their structure. So I do like Arizona. I like Arizona's players. A lot of them, I don't like their structure historically. I think Chicago's got better talent than Arizona, don't you? Defensively?

So I do the write-ups for gambling for Fox. And this is a crazy stat. So the Bears are third in the NFL in turnover marks. Teams that are one, two, and three have great records. Chicago's four and seven, despite being plus nine in turnovers. How the hell are you four and seven? They've been in some close games. You know, a young quarterback, coaching change.

They've been in close games. They're not getting blown out regularly. You know, they outplayed Green Bay and lost. It's like Denver outplayed Kansas City and lost. Sometimes you have a rookie quarterback. You're a young team. I've said this. Generally, four and seven teams don't get me to a television set.

I think the Bears are interested. I thought Keenan Allen this weekend was great. I like DJ Moore. I like Cole Comet. There's a lot of elements to Chicago I like. Do I trust ownership? Do I trust front office? Do I trust the head coach?

This thing, they've got to have synergy. It's not just, you know, there's six, seven great quarterbacks in the league. There may not be more than six or seven great GMs and six and seven great owners. Great is hard. In Chicago for years, it's been an ownership, front office, president, coach issue with me. They've had a lot of really good football players. Okay, so Jacksonville, we've tied Belichick to the Eagles, if that comes over. Well, you've tied Belichick to the Jags.

I have. Okay, well, other reporters have. And then there's Dallas. Tell me, why wouldn't Belichick be interested in Chicago, which has a good amount of talent, quarterback on a rookie deal? Ownership doesn't get in the way. He doesn't have any connection to that emotionally. He's got a connection to the Giants. He's got a connection to Jerry Jones.

He doesn't have any connection to Jackson. Billishton. What's a better job right now? Chicago or the Giants? Assuming the Giants don't get the number one pick. Let's say they get the number three pick. Well, the Chicago's got a quarterback. Yeah.

Giants don't. I don't understand why more people aren't saying Belichick should look at Chicago. They've got the foundational defense there. But he has no connection to the NFC. He has no connection to the ownership group. People dendigrant. If you were looking for a job tomorrow, wouldn't you wonder, oh, where are my friends, former teammates, coworkers?

Bill's got a connection to Jerry Jones and a connection to the New York Giants. That's always where people look first. Who am I comfortable with? Who do I trust? Who do I love? Where did my family live? You know, so I just think, you can say, oh, Chicago, Belichick's got no tie to Chicago, the McCaskies. He doesn't know any of those people. He may know him, but he's, you know.

If I'm that Chicago ownership family, I want to know Belichick. I mean, the guys, who's won more than him? Who's a better coach? Yeah, well, Brady had a little to do with that, too. A little bit. Oh, it's pretty good. So maybe Belichick isn't as desirable. All right. Interesting. All right, Cowhert. Final story is Daniel Jones. Ah, here we go. He went from one of the worst started quarterbacks in the league to a potential highly coveted backup after he cleared waivers. So Kevin O'Connell has a reputation with quarterbacks. He was asked about the Giants, I'm sorry, about the Vikings, maybe picking up the former giant quarterback.

I'm not going to really get into that today, but I will say tons of respect for Daniel Jones as a player and a person, got to know him through the draft process years ago. And, you know, I'm sure now that he's, you know, a free agent and there's probably a ton of league-wide interest in him. But I really can't get into too much about you know, any short-term or long-term. I can just say I've been a fan of Daniels for a long time

and hope, you know, wherever his next stop takes him, it's a good opportunity for him. Yeah, I mean, he's, listen, he's big, he's athletic, he went to Duke, he's strong, he doesn't feel terribly fluid, he can be a bit mechanical, but he is going to have a real market as a two and as a spot starter.

I'm going to tell you something, you can do worse than Daniel Jones as your two. Okay. And by the way, 50 quarterbacks play a year. So backups play. So if you're Daniel Jones, don't you think I want to go somewhere where maybe I could start? In his mind, he's not, I'm a backup. If I was Daniel Jones, honestly, I want to go somewhere without chaos.

That's all I care about. Can I go to an organization, like San Francisco calls, no chaos. That's where I'm, if I got a job out of college and I went to a place and I bombed, and it was cats and dogs living together, my second job is, I want to try. take my family, I want to take a deep breath. Can I just go to a functional operation? Because he's already made good money. I don't, I think, like, San Francisco, I'd be like,

yeah, Shanahan? But the only problem is he's not going to play there. He's not going to have an option next year to be the guy. Brock Purdy's hurt for a second time. How do you know he's not going to play? Okay, maybe you're right. Maybe he gets in some action. Or, here, I'll throw another one at you.

Miami. I get Tyree Kill, Jadel and Wadle, Mike McDaniel. So you're rooting? I mean, I get a, I get a, I get a, I get. get a really good offensive coat. When you've been burned in life, you're looking for structure. He is looking for structure. Giants

are a... I mean, they're just unwieldy. Yeah, it's tough. I don't know that there's a place for him to start in the league. Maybe not. The Raiders, if they don't have a top five pit? Maybe, yeah. But that's dysfunction of its highest form. Yeah. Well, J. Mack with the

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Well, it's, I was funny because I'm thinking of you, all these Arizona guys, Kyler Murray, Buda Baker, Connor, McBride, the tight end, you leave and they're all stars. Absolutely.

All the guys that you acquired and drafted this year. I will say this about Arizona, is, you know, Kyler Marie always had this stuff. He does, whatever it is, they're putting him under center. Yes. You like the way they're using him. I love the way they're using him. And that's exactly how I thought they should have used them all along.

His ability to be able to extend plays with his feet, obviously, is his strength. But when you put a guy under center like that, now all of a sudden you set up the play action game. You set up boots and wiggles and different things he can do out of the pocket. Kiler, I mean, I really think all along we probably should have had him in the gun or should have not had him in the gun. And we should have put him in that position because, number one, they got the run game going. James Connor is playing out of his mind.

A guy signed him free agency. He has been tremendous. I think that they're doing a great job, though, of creating a run game, obviously keeping teams off balance and now being able to put Kyle in a position to succeed. Yeah, they had a stinker last week off a buy, but I still like their talent. I want to ask you this. It is weird. You know, in baseball, the big markets have an advantage. In the NFL you have none.

There's an argument that Jets and Giants are the two most decisions. functional franchises in the league. And it's the Green Bayes, the Buffaloes, the Baltimore's that are so well run. It's the New York teams that are a mess. Right now, you're the Jets GM. What is the first move a new GM has to make with the Jets?

I mean, I think with some of you, when you look at the talent on that roster, I think you've got to get back to basics. I think you've got to get a little younger. I think you've got to cut the court on a couple of those players. You're not going to the Super Bowl anymore with Darren Rogers and Devante Adams. You're just not. So I think to me, it's reset. Reset everything.

get back to basics, clean some crap room out, and become healthy as a roster. Yeah, it's nothing against Aaron, but you and I had a discussion a while ago. You go back to us last year in Green Bay. You can see him age. Yeah. Yeah, listen, father time is undefeated. All players' skills diminish at some point in time. And generally, they have to know when they diminish.

Sometimes it's good that they do understand that because that puts them in a better position to understand where their limitations are. But at the same time, it's hard. When these guys play for a long time, it's hard to hear that you are diminishing from a skill set standpoint. And long story short, they don't have the supporting cast offensively to get him in the good position. So I want to talk about if you look at the draft order today, there are two teams that we know absolutely that are going to draft quarterbacks. We think Raiders, Giants. Now, Sam Darnold will be out there.

I don't know if you'd want him coming back to New York. There'll be something else out there. So you look at all these teams. Now, I think the Jags stay with Trevor Lawrence. I think New England's got their guy. I think Bryce Young may have bought himself another year. So let's talk to college prospects. This is what you do now for clutch sports.

Yes. Let's talk Shadour Sanders. What do you look at is a 10-year GM that you like and what concerns you with Shadur Sanders? Well, let me say this first. I love all top three quarterbacks, in my opinion. The top three are Shadur. Cam Ward and Jalen Milrow.

Those are the guys I have in that order. I love all three. They're coming different flavors. To me, Shador is the most polished player. I think he's going to be the first pick in the draft. He has got a great skill set. He understands coverage. He has great eyes, anticipation.

All the things you look for in a franchise quarterback. Obviously, he's grown up with it, with his dad, and he's been coached well. I think he will be the first pick in the draft. Anything you worry about with him? He holds the ball a bit. He holds a ball too long. That's what I think.

He holds a ball too long, and that's what some athletic quarterbacks tend to do. I mean, even with Kyler early on in the process, he can hold the ball too long because, again, their whole life they've been able to escape pressure. When all of a sudden, they get bigger and faster, you can't escape pressure anymore. You've got to play with your ears, your eyes and your instincts. Okay, let's go to Cam Ward. Love his arm. What do you see? Gunslinger.

He has got the best arm talent in this draft. I mean, when I talk about arm talent, Colin, he is off the charts. Big arm, great velocity. He throws the far hash to the out numbers as good as anybody I've seen. That ball is still rising when he throws it. He has got tremendous velocity, accuracy, and touch. I think he's going to be the second quarterback taken. And when you watch his highlights here, I mean, he puts on a show.

Now, there are some issues with decision-making and some other things that I've had to... He's a little off-platform. He's a little off-platform. And he can play with outside the system at times and maybe not take some of the checkdowns and some things yes and do. But those slants, those digs and those outroutes, he throws as pretty as anybody. Jalen Milro, here's what I like. It looks like a better Anthony Richardson. He's not fluid, though, Steve.

He's a bit mechanical. Yep. Is that where you? Here is what I like to say when I hear that. When we went back and we evaluated players, 32 teams missed on a guy named Lamar Jackson. You can say the Baltimore Ravens hit on him. No, they traded up to 32 to get him.

So they picked a player before Lamar Jackson in the first round. So 32 missed on him. And I look back at that, and I'm a humble guy, as you brought Jimmy Johnson on the set earlier, he cut me. so really humbled me coming here. But Lamar Jackson was not a great pure passer coming out. He was a tremendous athlete.

There was a reason why he was picked 32, and he has changed his game. Guys can get a little more accurate, I think, with mechanical work, footwork, all those things. Right coaching. Right coaching. Jalen Milrose, now that being said, to me, I see somewhere between Richardson and Lamar.

I don't think he's quite as polished as Lamar was coming out. That being said, I think he's a better player than Anthony Richardson, and he is so much more explosive athletically than both of those guys. I mean, he is a low 4-340 guy that can extend plays with his feet. He's as big and strong and as explosive as they come. And I think he's a good enough passer right now to put you in it. Again, everybody's got to understand schematically what you're asking them to do. And they've got to cater to his strengths, but he's got a real chance.

I want to go back. You and I, this is the stuff I love. I've always told people, if I ever didn't do this, I'm jealous of you. I go to dinner with Steve for two reasons. He picks up the check, and I'm jealous of him. Rich Paul picks up the check. Thank you, Rich. Bo Nix, did you think he would be this good?

I would hate, I'd be lying if I said no. I mean, there's no chance. I would say this. I loved the combination. As we know, when you put people together, I loved him and Sean Payton again. Okay, you did. I think Sean Payton, I have three guys that I think are the best play callers in the NFL and the best coaches in the NFL from that standpoint.

Sean Payton's obviously one of them. Tremendous play caller, great coach, demands the best, holds players accountable. Yes. And a guy like him is a coach's son. He's done at all. He's at the most starts in college football. And I thought that he would be a guy that would really, really, really flourish under Sean's coaching. Yeah, you told me that.

Caleb Williams, where are you at now? Your thoughts? Sort of what I expected. Didn't love, you know, Cliff Kingsbury, who I loved to death and his close friend, went in there, and I don't think that they took him serious to hire him as an offensive coordinator. He's gone on and flourished son. somewhere else. I think they made a big, big mistake by not hiring Cliff. I think you put Caleb Williams in that situation and you see his natural skill set and you see his potential,

but you put him with the wrong offensive coordinator in the wrong system and the wrong culture and it's a mess. And the Chicago Bears are going to go back to the drawing board and hire new coach this also. Did Cliff want the bear's OC job? I think he would have loved it. But he was the first job he interviewed for. Then he went on to the Raiders and then the red, you know, the commanders, I almost said the wrong word. But um, uh, uh, lives in a great place. Obviously, that kid that he's got has done a tremendous job and as a student of the game. This quarterback class isn't seen great.

Overall, the draft class in the NFL. Many have said it's a little light at the top. But you just told me recently that you have just been the last month. You are just watching nothing but film. Is there a position group you like? It's not a great quarterback draft. I'll throw it. Is there another quarterback later in the draft? He makes fun of me because I think

Riley Leonard, if he sat for two years, be something. Do we just have three draftable quarterbacks? Do you see anybody else? No, there's some other some guys. I mean, obviously the kid of Georgia Carson back, he is, he's sort of fallen. Quinn Ureys, you know, I think has some questions about him. Riley Leonard is a guy that's funny, you name him, Dave Pass, who works for ESPN,

he was our play-by-play guy. He called me last year when he was playing really well for Duke. He said, here's he remind you of. I said, from an athletic skill set standpoint, just he's long, he's lanky, he can really run, and he's unpolished. Like another guy named Ryan Taneyhill when he came out of Texas. Tannahill. He came out of Texas A&M as a former wide receiver who changed the new quarterback.

I think there's some similarities there. Ryan Tannahill, Riley, letter. You hear that, J. Mack? J. Mack's been selling that guy stock day one. What do I know? Finally, I watched last night. I think Jim Harbaugh's ahead of schedule. What was your takeaway?

I don't think they're as good as the Ravens. What was your takeaway last night? Same. They're just not good enough. He hadn't had enough drafts to put the personnel in place. from my standpoint, Jim Harbaugh has changed that culture already. They're ahead of the curve. Everything you said about him last year when I heard you

sort of beating the drum for Jim Harbaugh, you nailed it. He has set the tone there, and he has laid the foundation. To me, the next step is, bottom line, give him over good players. Joe Ortiz, GM, former Baltimore Raven, a friend of mine, fantastic. Does a great job identifying talent, has the Baltimore Ravens' way.

They just got beat by the team that he helped become better. That's right. do you miss the GM job? Because you are GM in clutch sports football. So you don't have a crazy owner. So do you like the job? You know what? I don't know if I told you this the other night of dinner.

This is my favorite job I've ever had. Because I'm at a point in my life where I have the chance to pay it forward. So not only am I meeting a lot of young, talented players across the country that we're trying to sign for clutch sports, I work for Rich Paul, who is amazing in every way. The guy is forward thinker. He's a brilliant businessman, and he's great to work with. And then on top of that, I get to talk to college kids, and hopefully I can give them the answers to the test,

how to prepare for the combine, how to prepare for being a professional and national football league. All those things are important, and it's my time to give back. Yeah, good for you. Rich Paul's been good to me through the years, and when Rich is mad at me, calls me and tells me, man. I like authentic people, and that's Rich Paul in Clutch Sports. Steve Kime, former NFL GM now with Clutch Sports.

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