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He was the highest-gritted Chiefs offensive lineman, and he started 134 straight games in the NFL, so he was a bit of an Ironman. You know his brother, Jeff Schwarz. This is Mitchell Shores. Four-time All-Pro. Seven-plus-year career. You didn't miss a snap for a while,

and then we know about the injury. So, you know, it's funny. You were in the world, Mitchell, of Mahomes and Andy Reed. You were at the very start of this thing. and, you know, it didn't take long for us to see him and go, okay, that's different. I haven't seen a lot of that. Take me back to when you first saw Mahomes practices.

Was there a moment an epiphany for you where you were like, oh, this is exciting. This guy is different. Yeah, he does some different stuff, that's for sure. But in practice, I always defaulted to, oh, it's practice. It's not a real situation. You know, he doesn't have the repercussions of a turnover or an inception, one of these things. So let's wait to see it in a practice. a game and then in the preseason he was on the run he threw this like 60 65 year bomb on the

run that was like perfectly executed and caught and I was like okay that's closer to a real situation this is getting good and then you know the first year he didn't play until week 17 coach read let me play that game to keep my streak alive and pat played because we had locked up to one seat I believe and he went out there he led us on a game winning touchdown drive at the end He threw a pass to our tight end. Again, one of those like 30, 40-yard passes downfield. He's scrambling. He chucks it up and only the tight end can catch it.

But the titan didn't catch it. There's a guy or two draped over him. And I remember going back to him and being like, hey, let's be smart. It's a tie game. Let's not turn it over. And looking back, I'm sure he was just like, dude, I got this. I know what I'm doing. But it was one of those things you don't realize still after the fact that he just had

such command of everything that he never really puts the ball in trouble unless he feels like he absolutely needs to. You know, Andy Reed is one of the great play designers and play callers in the sport. But yet they're never generally heavily penalized, not a lot of turnovers, which would run kind of counterintuitive to a highly complex offense. So take me behind the curtain. Is the Andy Reid compared to your Cleveland days? Is the Andy Reid offense wildly complex or does he simplify it? It's a little bit of both.

It's tough to compare much to the Cleveland days, so that's not fair to either side. there but I would say coach I mean we've seen it he's got all the personnel packages the formations the round combinations and so he puts a lot on the guy's plate but I think the smart thing is he does it early in the season and so you're getting there in OTAs and you're thinking oh this is going to be an easy meeting and all of a sudden the receivers are hit with 20 formations and they need to know I got to go here I got to go there but by the time training camp rolls around by the time you're halfway through training camp preseason starts happening it's like okay I've been exposed to everything and now it's starting to slow down and starting to make sense instead of, you know, starting

from zero and then slowly ramping up the 200 and just like, hey, here's 180 of it and try to figure it out and then eventually you'll get it. So it's definitely complex, but I think to your point, he boils it down to its core essence and, hey, we're going to do these core things for you guys. We're going to do these things for the others. You know, he plays on guys' strengths extremely well. I think that's what the best coordinators do and what we've seen. And so it's something he doesn't put more on your plate than you, I can handle. And I think that's why he's such a great teacher because he understands how to properly teach to his guys.

You know, Kyle Shanahan, you watch the Niners play. Trent Williams is so good, as you know, as a tackle. He's so good. Some of it is sheer size. He's obviously smart. He just creates his own inertia. When you look at that Niners team, you know, I've been told for years that offensive linemen would rather run block than pass block. They would just love to put it down and roll over guys.

when you watch that Niners, you played for a very past-centric team. Do you ever watch the Niners and think, man, that would be fun, just rolling over guys for three and a half hours? Oh, absolutely. We got to experience it in Cleveland with Kyle, and that was one of the more fun offenses I'd been in until Super Bowl Bowl homes era. And it's just, it's exciting. Yeah, Trent is the perfect example of what Kyle wants. You know, he's 6'5, 3.30. He ran like a 4-6 or something absolutely insane at the Combine.

And Kyle's biggest pet peeve is that people think, oh, they run outside zone. They're just kind of running around people. They're getting the corner and they're not super physical. And Kyle's like, no, we're going to run through you. It's just on a slightly wider angle. And Trent can do it as good as anybody. We've seen that this year. You know, on the backside is where he puts a spin on things.

He's got this little technique. He essentially just like chops and kind of grabs the guys back and throws you down. And defense alignment in their whole career taught, you know, get your hands in the guy's chest, fiery hands, fire your hands. and Trent's just back there, forcing them to, you know, fall to the ground when they fire their hands. So now you don't know what to do. And he's got the strength and athleticism to do it. So it's a really fun offense to watch.

It's definitely a fun one to play in. And it shows up. They're able to get the most out of guys and especially the quarterback position. You know, Mitchell, it's interesting. Sean McVeigh came into this league. It was about five, six years ago, five, six years ago with the Rams. And he said, I'm not playing any of my starters in preseason. And a lot of old heads were like, this is not.

good. And then they started the year 8 and 0. And everybody was saying your team's not going to be ready, you've got to be physical. And it's really, it's had an imprint on the league. A lot of coaches, in fact, last year we kind of did a survey out, but overwhelmingly young coaches like Matt Lafleur, they're just not playing starters. Some of the old guys, Bruce Ariens, you know, Tomlin, they're going to play some starters. But it is interesting because you play a position offensive line. Your hands get mangled. You guys had a lot of back surgery. It is a daunting physical ask. But I do think the NFL has done a really good job.

Baseball sometimes can be paralyzed by history and tradition. Football will change rules and protocols. I mean, suddenly COVID now has disappeared in the NFL. So take me to your first year in the NFL and your last year in the NFL and how the stuff we don't see, practice, hitting, nutrition, training has changed. Oh, it's come a long way. You know, this past CBA definitely tightened up the practice rolls a little bit.

I got in in 2012 right after the 2011 CBA. And so as a rookie, you do a rookie mini camp after you're drafted. And you're able to do like two practices. They're much lower tempo. It's not like you're in pads or anything. But I think in that three-day period, you have about five practices. And I remember after that, our coach was like, all right, guys, that's the last two a day of your life because they had just eliminated the actual two days. It's like, okay, this is

pretty cool because you came from college, you're doing two days. And so practices were still tough. They're three-hour practices potentially. And then you get to Kansas City talking about one of the old guys who likes to practice hard and play these guys in the preseason. Coach Reid is notorious for pretty rough training camp. So training camp got a little bit harder when I got to him, longer practices, more of a grind. He's got some periods in there where you're running a lot of plays in a row. obviously there's a method to his madness but training camp for him is definitely building up the tolerance so you're able to be in shape throughout the year and you can handle those high workloads and then now it seems like every year you get a little bit smarter you know how to take care of your body a little better and so training camp just feels a little easier

and then you flip to new rules and it's like okay well now we're only on the field for two hours and 20 minutes this used to be two hours and 50 minutes it feels a lot quicker and things are getting better. They're getting in a better spot for the offense alignment especially because we do have an O-line guy in charge of the PA. So it's getting healthier and that's what we all wanted. And as to your point, like it's not showing up on the field that there's a huge detriment to it. I know there's the idea that potentially less practice time, the O-line's a skilled position. We're getting a little bit worse over time because of it. But I think guys are still playing at a pretty high level and performing on Sundays. So is your career officially over where are you at officially?

Yeah, so it's not officially yet. I'm still recovering from the surgery. It's supposed to be a three or four month recovery ideally, and we're about month 11 here, and I'm still got the nerve pain down my leg. So I still am looking to get 100% healthy and feeling the way I used to feel, and then from there I can make a determination,

but obviously the season didn't quite work out, and we'll see what happens next year, but those back surgeries are tough, and this is the second one I've had, so I'm definitely going to take a long-term approach in general. Finally, there's four teams left. Rams, Niners, Bingles, Chiefs. I know you have a close relationship with Chiefs players.

It does feel like to me they should be favored. I think Spags has gotten the defense to play about as well as it can. I thought Honey Badger's loss was really clear. I think he's such an intuitive player. But do you feel like Kansas City should be favored the rest of the way? I think so. And I think they will be if they make it to the next round, either team that comes out of there, I'd imagine, a little bit more favored against the Niners

than the Rams, but I would still think favored. It just, it seems like they're the most complete team right now, and they've got, been there, done that aspect to them that the Rams don't have. Yeah. And I think coming into the postseason, it was, well, Stafford hasn't been in the playoffs. Is he going to succeed? He had, you know, a rough end of the season. He's popped out two pretty fantastic games, and I think we just want to make sure he does it and proves it to us before we fully buy in on, you know, the Stafford playoff experience. Obviously, on the flip side, the Chief's been there, done that, looking at four straight AFC championship games hosted at home,

first time ever, potentially three straight Super Bowls. So the Chiefs at their best, it's a very complete team. As you said, Spaggs has the defense rolling, and we know what the offense can do. Mitchell, great meeting you. Good talking to you. Say hi to your brother and enjoy yourself and your family, man. We'll do. Thanks for having me on.

Mitchell Schwartz. Yeah, it's Andy's old school. He'll drive you at practice, but he's fascinating. from time to time he'll send me a play he designs in the summer. He'll say, watch, I'm going to do this against the Chargers. I'm going to do this against Denver. These offensive guys are tough to play in September because that's what they do all summer.

They design new plays and stuff. And then all of a sudden they unveil them. I think for the longest time, Andy, the Chiefs were like the best. Andy Reid was the best September coach in football for a while. And now with Mahomes, he's the best coach in the end of the year as well. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the I Heart Radio app.

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No, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, Jamar Chase had an amazing season for the Bengals, and yesterday he said that when he was in high school, LSU coach Les Miles at the time wasn't sure if he had the skills to play his current position. Les Miles told me I couldn't play receiver when I was. coming out of high school. So, you know, that was something I had on my shoulders growing up. Last Miles told me he thought I could play cornerback.

I wasn't really in full position that received yet. So, you know, I just kept working in my craft offseason, waking up early in the mornings to work out. I just kept focused. Well, he didn't end up playing for Les Miles because he got fired in 2016. So he played under at Ogeron at LSU in 2018. I always think it's interesting. It's not like, you know, it's not an indictment of Les Miles.

a coach overall. But I always think it's interesting the things, the little throwaway things that sometimes people say to you that stick with you forever. I think all of us have those. And they're not necessarily always a bad thing.

Like maybe Les Miles saying this to Jamar Chase gave him a little extra motivation to really like, not that he wasn't going to work hard or that he wasn't going to become what he is. But all of us have something that somebody said to us once and we were like, we'll see. Yeah, for all you kids out there,

you don't have a right. not to be offended. People are going to say things that are offensive to you, that make you mad. The key is how do you use those? Do they damage you or do they inspire you? But I'm not going to go into detail, but I had somebody at my university in my broadcasting department give me similar advice. And I've done quite well.

Not to be petty, but it does stick with you. I had someone tell me that I wasn't capable of doing updates on a sports radio show. Who told you that? Look at me now. It's not important. Kind of. Not important. No. No, sometimes, look, no isn't always the worst thing that you're going to hear. Oh, it's a great. It's great. Sometimes it's the best. Because you think that you have something, you have this whole plan and this idea and it's not happening. And then someone tells you know when it ends up sending you in a completely

different direction. My first interview was with a country radio station. And I don't listen to country music. I do more now with my wife. My wife loves country. But I didn't at the time. and I remember interviewing it was, I don't know, it was called, kicking country, Spokane's Best Country. So I went in there and I almost started sounding like Brian Kelly when he got hired by LSU. I love country. Not that bad. And I didn't get the job.

So that my first interview, I don't think I did terribly well because he was asking me country questions. And I was a rock and roller. You were not prepared? Well, I liked ACDC. I liked rock and roll. I liked Van Halen. I liked, you know, that kind of stuff.

And it was kicking country. And I grew up in the country, but I didn't listen to country. I don't think that was your calling. So I walked out of that room and I was like, that was a bad interview. And from that point forward, I was more prepared. See, good lesson for you. Well, Jermar did well. And obviously, and now they play against the Chiefs on Sunday and our seven-point underdogs,

according to Foxx bet. I'm very excited for this weekend. Sometimes we get championship weekend and there's like a team sitting there that we're all kind of silently rooting against. Like, we don't really want to see that Super Bowl matchup. not really that exciting. Whatever happens this weekend, I'm going to be thrilled for. I do think the chiefs are in a better position right now. Bengals' offensive line.

They did have nine sacks last week, but it's going to be an exciting weekend. So Sean McVeigh has a 55 and 26 regular season record as the Rams head coach. Very good. Niners, not so much. And McVeigh was asked if Kyle Shanahan is in his head approaching Sunday's game. No. What I do have is respect for these guys. They've done a great job.

You know, you look at it. You got to play well in that three and a half hour window that we're allotted. You look at the last time that we played them, didn't finish the game. But this is a really good football team. We have a lot of respect for them. But, you know, we're competing and preparing to the best of our ability to go out and see if we can advance. But this is a really good team. Kyle's an excellent coach.

They got great players, great coaches, good schemes. And so it's why they're in the NFC championship. They have great. Fred Warner's arguably the best linebacker. Nick Bose is as good at rush end as the league has. Debo Samuel is ridiculous. George Kittle, when healthy, is the best blocking tight end and the second, third best tight end.

So let's not look past the fact they have great players. Well, we often sum up the whole team by the coach or the quarterback. And, you know, many people, I think you and I give Jimmy G a little more credit than most people. Yeah, he's a little bit better than people think. Yeah. I mean, I happen to like Jimmy G. But you ask any Niners fan. Oh, they crush him.

It's crushing. You guys are so spoiled. And I love it because they probably are going to move off of Jimmy G. Yeah. This year. And we're going to get to see the live experiment of Trey Lance and Jimmy G with another regime, which I think is fun. But McVeigh has a three and seven record against Shanahan in five seasons. And they have lost six straight to the Niners for a lot of the reasons, as you mentioned.

And also, they are a very physical team. And some of the critique of the Rams over the season has been that they can be a little finesse. and when you get down to it, if you disrupt someone and get a turnover or play the way that the Niners have played against the Rams, I mean, they gave up a 17-0-0 lead against the Niners on Week 18. My guess today is Jimmy G. ends up with the Washington football team.

That's my guest today. He's going to have a lot of people trying to sign him. The quarterback market this offseason, if Russell Wilson and Aaron Rogers don't move, he's going to be at the top. And also, people are going to offer Jimmy G a shorter contract because of his injuries. Of course.

And I think he's a smart enough guy. His agent will say, listen, let's say Denver does not get. Aaron Rogers. Okay. And Denver's like, we'll take him, but we're going to draft quarterback. So we're going to keep. And so they'd probably move Teddy Bridgewater because Drew Locke doesn't cost anything. But Jimmy G is not going to carry a bad roster.

But Jimmy G could end up in Pittsburgh or Indianapolis. Or at Indianapolis or Denver, and he's going to win again. So he won in New England. He won in San Francisco. About New York. For all the hate, no, I would not. So I don't think he's good enough to overcome the mess of his New York. No, but I think the New York would.

Probably. But I'm Jimmy G. I might tell my age, and I'm not. Well, Jimmy D because of his injuries isn't good. He's going to have, well, he's going to have to be traded, first of all. But, like, he's going to have some limitations in that space because we see what he's capable of when he's healthy. But there's always that if he's healthy because of, you know,

the history that he has. The Rams are currently favored by three and a half points, according to Fox Bet. So the Russell Westbrook-Lakers experiments has been wildly criticized. Not great. Hasn't gone particularly as well as they'd hoped. And there's been some rumors that they are looking for a trade and possibly being involved with the Rockets and John Wall. But that's not a solution either, is it? Well, they're holding on to John Wall healthy right now to find a good trade.

The Rockets reportedly not only want Westbrook, but they also want the 2027 first round pick from the Lakers. I mean, I don't know that that's the best fits, but if Westbrook is not fitting the way that the level that we're hearing and obviously seeing, then maybe you make it, but longtime NBA insider Mark Stein, so the Lakers aren't willing to part with the pick.

And there are also major optics concerns for the Lakers. Team officials sources say do not want to pay a premium to move on from Westbrook so soon after Lakers gave up so much to get the Los Angeles native, James and Davis encouraged the Lakers front office to go all in for Westbrook rather than proceed with GM Rob Polinkas plans to trade for Sacramento's Buddy Heel. So this is out there, meaning that now, because the trade is getting ripped so hard, the... Yes.

Rob Polinka is protecting himself and saying, Correct. Just let you know. This wasn't my idea. Well, we heard about this buddy heel thing before. Yes. So this isn't out of, you know, this isn't just popping up. But yes, there is, everyone is starting to plant their seeds.

I don't want to hear this ever again on this show or any show. Well, they're good friends. Westbrook and Hardin were great friends. LeBron, being great friends doesn't mean you fit in the NBA. Like star players, I mean, it's not that Tom Brady can't say, get me gronk. Like, we're not going to pay him, give me gron. I get that. But gronk and him also worked together.

Yeah. We've seen how the result of that. You cannot listen to star players. They don't run personnel departments. And so LeBron's all in on it. And now LeBron's like, hey, man. No. So that's what I always said.

Don't get me wrong. If you worked with somebody before and there's something there, then I get it. Yes. But this is not. They needed shooters. They needed youth. Westbrooks neither. And by the way, John Wall can't shoot either.

So he's Westbrook. He's old, past his prime, beat up, can't shoot, sometimes out of control. I don't think John Wall solves anything. The issue with the Lakers is that there was no, there's no balance. There's no balance of power with the Lakers. And when you bring in someone like LeBron James, you give up some of that, and that's worth it. They got a championship. So there is something to that.

I don't know why Anthony Davis has so much say in the situation. But there needs to be a balance. I'm all for your star players should have some inputs. You should solicit their advice, their opinion. They have a meaning with them. They have insight into player things that, you know, front offices and coaches might not necessarily have. But everything needs to be considered and there needs to be a balance. You should get LeBron's input.

You should have the coach's inputs. You should have the GM's input. But if I ask your input and I don't do it, are you going to pout and sold? Well, you don't always have to take my inputs. Sometimes you should. But that's your reasonable worldview. Correct. Like if I'm worth $800 million and I, like,

like Aaron Rogers. Well, the problem also with LeBron is LeBron did it in Cleveland. So you really can't tell LeBron no, because we've seen him bring in players and work with players and it be successful. That doesn't necessarily mean you're always going to make the right decision. And I don't think that it just came down to LeBron. It just was overall the wrong decision. And when the trade was made, it kind of felt like,

like, is this going to work? We saw Harden kind of adjust his game. Maybe Westbrook can. But you can't be mad at a player when he doesn't adjust his game. you know what Russell Westbrook was before you brought him in. You know, Belichick never went to Brady, I don't think, for big personnel moves. The game plan, Tom and him had his weekly soup together. They had their meeting.

But I think it's a really tough area because what players like, like everybody always loves Wade Phillips is the nice guy in the world. He was the softer coach. Every player loves Wade Phillips. They always love the interim coach. What they don't like is the guy. Like Andy Reed would be the guy like, oh, his practices are brutal.

Pat Riley's brutal. I always worry about asking a star player, is he seeking comfort? Right. That's what I always worry about players and personnel moves. Do they like the comfortable move? I do think some of this was comfort, but the bigger picture is it's okay to make mistakes. What's not okay is to double down on it. So if you're not moving off, if everyone is in agreement now, if Vogel, if Polinka, if LeBron are all in agreement that this was a mistake, then we're,

why are you doubling down on it? Make a move. Who cares what you gave up to get him? If it's not working, make the decision. It's when people make a choice and it's the wrong decision which we all do. But then instead of course correcting and dealing with the slight backlash or cutting your losses, you push it further

and then you really can't dig yourself out of the hole. So the optics thing doesn't make any sense to me. Joy of the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lie News. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd. Weekdays and

noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. He's by Carmen. I'm Dan Byard. We have a brand new fantasy football podcast called I Want Your Flex. Twice a week, every Tuesday and Friday, we come up with new episodes to not only look back at what happened, what you need to do at that minute, and also look ahead of what's coming up in the fantasy football world. That's right, Dan. Every week, we're going to scour the waiver wire to find the pickups to turbo boost your fantasy lineup. Sit, starts, fantasy football players' rankings to get you ready to dominate the competition. Listen to I Want Your Flex with Mike Harmon and me, Dan Byer, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, and wherever you get your podcasts. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged.

It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days I'd put on 10 pounds, I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win.

I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite

athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment. And the next, we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations,

stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Hey, this is Robert from the Stuff to Blow Your Mind podcast. Joe and I are both lifelong Star Wars fan, so we're celebrating May the 4th with a brand new week of fun, thought-provoking Star Wars-related episodes. Join us as we tackle science and culture topics from a galaxy far, far away,

such as the biology of taun tons and wampas on the ice planet hot, or the practicality and corporate business sense of the Sith rule of two. Listen to stuff to blow your mind on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tapped Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do?

do a little kill. Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill waxing all about crack in the 80s.

To be clear, 84 is big to me not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS. on the table right now.

Thank you for finishing that sentence. Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. HustlerTurf brand lawn care pros.

Use hustlerturf.com. 1400 dealers. Find one. By the way, Broncos hired Nathaniel Hackett. This hire I like, a bunch of reasons. Nobody had heard of Sean McVeigh before he got hired. He's a young, smart guy. He's worked with great quarterbacks Aaron Rogers.

He's worked with average quarterbacks or suboptimal Blake Bortles. He had success with both. He's really, really good. I think Denver needs this. I think they were very stale offensively. His dad coach, Paul Hackett. He comes from the McVeigh-Shannahan coaching tree. Also, Aaron Rogers loves him.

They asked Aaron Rogers about Nathaniel. Hackett not long ago, and he went on and on, and he said, I'm really happy for him. Little overdue, to be honest. What he did in Jacksonville was magic. Got them within a quarter of the Super Bowl. He's a great coach. I love spending time with him. He's a fantastic teacher, incredible in front of a room.

He said that in the Pat McAfee show, did Aaron Rogers about Hackett. Now, obviously, when Brady went to Tampa with Ariens, they had to really figure out the offense for a year. Well, if Aaron went to Denver, five minutes in, they'd all know the story. So I think it's a very good hire. I don't know if Aaron goes there. But I will say this, and this is why Joy and I were on this a year ago. Denver makes the most sense because Green Bay wants to send him to the AFC.

And what they really want to do is send them to the toughest division because the last thing you want is Aaron to be dominate. So Mahomes twice, Herbert twice, Derek Carr twice. This is the one Green Bay. If Aaron said, get me out of here, this is the call they would take. Pittsburgh, too, but I think Aaron fits Denver better. he's a West Coast guy. So the Denver thing, you know, it's smoke fire. You know, we talked about when Tom Brady was going to leave and he put his house up for sale.

You know, there was like, there were little signs that Tom Brady was unhappy. He worked his contract to be a free agent. He put his house up for sale. There's a lot of smoke here. I mean, now, now all of a sudden, and stuff, I talked yesterday to somebody behind the scenes. Folks, things are happening before anybody's going to let you know they're happening. So there's just too many things working here. I think Denver's got a great GM.

Now they hire Aaron's buddy. They've got the kind of receivers. They have a great left tackle. Receivers, they just picked up in the last draft, an amazing young running back. They have fant the tight end. So this is something. If I'm Aaron Rogers, Denver's wildly attractive to me.

Now, I've got to play my homes twice. But you know what? The bottom line is you can't think like that in life. You really can't. sit there and all day. Like, that's like saying you wouldn't take an SEC job because Jimbo Fisher and Saban and Kirby smarter there. Like Brian Kelly's like, well, this conference gets the best players and I think I'm as

good as those guys. If Brian Kelly wanted to avoid competition, he would have taken the USC job years ago. So at some point, if I'm here and I'm like, I get a great tight end, great receivers, great GM, great left tackle, it's attractive free agent market. I'm going to go with it. I still think the Colts is a better spot. You know what, though, but Aaron, does Aaron feel like Indianapolis? No, but it's Patrick Mahomes.

I know. Like you're playing for second place. Well, I don't know. That's like saying Kirby Smart's playing for second place, just won a national title. Kirby Smart can go to the Big 12 and dominate. Well, I mean, Oklahoma would have been a battle. But in the end, it's like, well, I believe I can beat him. Well, you can believe it.

San Francisco. With Jimmy Garoppolo, Kyle's like, why can't we get to the NFC championship? I mean, let's think about that. Think about that division. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot that can happen. But I'm, look, I like Denver. I agree with you. I think it's wildly interesting.

It's a great landing spot. I think the Colts is a slightly better landing spot for him. I don't know. Denver's a pretty cool place to live. I love Denver. I mean, Peyton Manning went to play for the Broncos. He moved there. No, Denver's great fan base, great place to live, well run, lots of great pieces.

I'm not saying it's a hair less attractive than the Colts because of the division. Wolf and Shepherd favorite shoes. Catalog is amazing. Wolfenshepard.com. Tennis shoe, comfortable, dress shoe, compatible. I love Wolf and Shepherd. Okay. Mitchell Schwartz, Greg Kosell, Albert Breer.

We'll see you tomorrow. Speak for yourself as next. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman, help make you funnier. This week, my guest, S&L's Mikey Day and headwriter, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter.

Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque.

Others say it's unleashing human. potential. Either way, the podcast Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth.

Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On the Look Back at it podcast. From 1979, that was a big moment for me. 84's big to me. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a year, unpack what went down and try to make sense of how we survived it

with our friends, fellow comedians, and favorite authors. Like Mark Lamont Hill on the 80s. 84 was a wild year. It was a wild year. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win.

A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me. Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college. college football journey or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw unfilled conversations with athletes, creators, and voices that not

only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. So let's get to it. Listen to The Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok podcast network on TikTok. This is an IHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human. Thank you.