The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - Caitlin Clark

Episode Date: April 18, 2025

More on the NFL draft and Colorado quarterback Shedeur Sanders Colin doubles down on his defense of Caitlin Clark not being "influential" enough to make Time Magazine's top 100 list   Guest: Eric ManginiSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I said the bottom of the middle to late first round is a lot of really smart offensive coaches. Kevin O'Connell, Sean Payton, Andy Reed, Sean McVe. bay and I said there's a couple of players like a colston loveland for michigan where i can see like an andy reed saying oh i i got seven plays for that kid i can i can put him out wide uh uh i buca the receiver from ohio state i had a GM tell me yesterday they're like that kid's slot sideline like you can play that kid anywhere i can see those offensive coaches Sean Payton doing some moving around late first round, but there's not a lot of star power at the top. Give me your draft history.

Are there drafts where you're like, listen, it's a move-down draft or a move-up draft, and you knew it going into it. Yeah, it's funny that you brought up Colson Loveland in Kansas City. I was just saying that to Nick Wright the other day. I would love to see him in Kansas City. I think that's a great fit. and you make a really good point as you're sitting there in the

20s and especially this draft where there hasn't been any, you know, everybody's got their first round draft pick, there haven't been any substantial trades. As the board starts unfold, I could easily see guys who are sitting in those spots saying, okay, this is someone who's dropped further than when we thought, and

we're going to go up and get them. When I was in Cleveland the first year, we ended up drafting Alex Mack and we really liked Alex Mack, but we didn't like him at, I think We had four or five at that point. That was way too high for them. So we were looking for some way to get out of that spot.

And right up until, I forget when we ended up trading with the Jets, it was right before the draft, we were desperately trying to trade down because we knew that's the guy we wanted, but we just couldn't take them at that number. Sure. You know, let me ask you about, you know, there's all this quarterback stuff. And we spend so much time on the quarterback stuff. And I get what we do. I'm really fascinated by what you do with Travis Hunter.

So, Greg CoSell at a funny line an hour ago, he goes, can you imagine he's not going to go to the Eagles? But if he went to the Eagles, and you told Vic Fangio on Tuesday, yeah, you don't get him today at corner. I'm going to install the offense. And Vic's like, well, I'm installing the defense. I need my corner. Now, we'll give him to you a Thursday. What do you do with Travis Hunter, who is a remarkable transcendent athlete? Look, to me, this can work, and I don't think it works where he starts both ways and plays the whole game.

Back in when we were in New England, 20 plus years ago, we played Troy Brown, who was a 12-year vet and wide receiver on defense, and he had never played defense. And he ended up playing more defensive snaps that year than offensive snaps. And it's one of those things where the way I would set it up with Travis Hunter is I would probably start him on defense. And that would be his primary position. And my thought process is on offense, you can control what group goes into the game. You have total control over what happens. So you can play him in those critical situations. Play him on third down.

Play him in two minute. Play him in the red zone. And then you tag the play. So you've got 11 personnel, but it's 11 Hunter. or 12 personnel, it's 12 Hunter, and you've got his group of plays that you can start installing in the preseason, in OTAs, in training camp,

and then you build on it each week, but you have absolute control as to when you want to use it, where if you go the other way and you're going to play them, you know, primarily on offense and then on substituted defenses, well, you don't know

when the other team's offense is going to play multiple wide receivers. So, and so it gets a little bit hard, to really formulate your complete plan of attack on how you're going to use them. If you start with them on offense first and defense and a role, I would go the other way, defense first and offense and a role, just because you have so much more say on how things happen. So I said my two takeaways on the Aaron Rogers discussion yesterday.

One, the Jets have a history of not treating employees well. I mean, they said the roster is great. I've been one of those. Yeah. I mean, this is what they do. Aaron flies cross-country. They give him five minutes. It's like the Rams wouldn't do that.

The Ravens wouldn't do that. I mean, just treat people better. But my second takeaway is there are certain jobs in America. Surgeon, pilot, CEO, quarterback. You can't be indifferent. Well, maybe I'll play. Maybe I'll won't. Nobody wants to hear about your inner circle.

I can have empathy for it. But the NFL benches aren't therapy couches. Like, people want you to... Tom Brady didn't have a perfect life. He didn't bring it to work. He didn't talk about it. It's, you know, so I look at Aaron and I think, boy, he's way too indifferent on this stuff for me. But Pittsburgh doesn't have a quarterback and it's mid-April.

What would you do if you were the Steelers? Would you just say, hey, listen, we'll just wait as long as you want to wait and we'll go draft the quarterback. What do you do? Yeah, from Aaron Rogers' perspective, I don't think he has to be in any rush. Aaron Rogers still has leverage. And Aaron Rogers doesn't have to rush into a bad situation right now, and he shouldn't. He should pick the spot that's best for him. And unfortunately, the league is so starved for quarterbacks that you still have the Steelers

sitting out there with really no good answer. Who knows what's going to happen in New Orleans? The draft isn't very strong or has so many uncertainties at the quarterback spot. So when you've got a guy like Aaron Rogers, who is now your best possible candidate, except maybe if you can go you know trade with Atlanta after June 1 for for Kirk Cousins he's he's got the ability to sit back and wait and see what situation is good for him and I get what you're saying organizationally you want someone who's all in but if you're it's the saying don't ever go shopping hungry if you're

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college coaches, you know, I mean, it's just hard. It's been the best teams, I mean, John Lynch has had huge whiffs. Baltimore has had huge whiffs. I mean, like, I mean, Bill Pollian would tell you, yeah, I had big men. misses. It's really hard. You know, one of the things I said is if we, if teams pass on Shadur Sanders, are you going to look back and go, man, we overthought the room? Son of a legend, historically accurate, 33 points a game in college with a terrible

old line and no running game, mobile enough, bigger than you think in person. When you see videos of him walking around like pregame pulse kid, he's big, he's thick, big shoulders. Are we overthinking him because his dad's a star and he's a, you know, Shadour Sanders, 74% completion rate. Now I know there's a lot of bubble screens in college, like, I get it. But every time I watched him, I was like, yeah, like he's, accuracy matters. He throws a great ball left, right, up, back.

Like, I think we're overthinking it a little with him, maybe. Yeah, you could, you could be overthinking a draft pick. When we drafted Vernon Golton, he had led, he'd broken the Ohio State sack record. He was a junior. He had unbelievable combine scores. He looked apart. Everything made sense. I thought that maybe he'd go to New England if we didn't take him.

But, you know, it ended up being a big whiff. and maybe I overthought the possibility of him affecting us in New England. But when you look at Chador, the struggle that I have with it is the sacks weren't all the offensive line, Colin. There's a bunch of times where he's running around, and he's running around for way too long instead of getting rid of the ball. And there's a lot of what we saw from Caleb Williams where he's trying to make a play, but you don't see the wild plays that you saw from Caleb Williams. And that to me is an issue. And then he had the 40 scrambles on top of that.

I watched all of his touchdowns, and there were a bunch of them where they were catch-and-run-type plays. I don't think you can just equate all the sacks to the offensive line or not having a good enough running game. I worry about him trying to have that same mentality, just like I did with Caleb, oh, I'm going to extend every play. You can't do that in the NFL effectively.

except if you're maybe Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen, and he's not that type of athlete. So I'll give you a team and a player that's fascinating. Raiders and Ashton Jentzy. So hear me out. Gino Smith, who you know, when Gino throws on play action, Eric, his passer rating is like 106. He's very circumstantial. Pete Carroll's success in his career has been with Marshawn Lynch and Reggie Bush. When Pete's got a run game, he can own the club.

clock, special teams defense. Pete doesn't want his quarterback throwing 42 times. He does not like mistakes and inner turnovers. And when Gino is throwing and everybody knows he's throwing, Gino gets in trouble. It's very Sam Darnal. And maybe it's overdrafting, but I could, do you think Pete Carroll would say, listen, Chip Kelly in the run game, Gino with a running back? I know nobody, Boise State, he's 5'8, but do you think Pete would just say,

For the quarterback I'm married to here, we have to have a run game. I'm taking the Boise State kid. To coaches think like that? Yeah, look, if you think the guy is Adrian Peterson, then, yeah, you could definitely be thinking that way. But I went back and I looked at all of Pete Carroll's drafts. And when he's drafted, I looked at 12 or below when he's been in that spot, whether it's been the Jets, the Patriots, the Seahawks. and he's drafted offensive linemen and defensive backs. And typically you go, I think there's a defensive lineman there as well.

But the moral of the story is he went either big or he went cornerbacks. And those guys typically are harder to find than quality running backs later in the first round, later in the draft. And I think I would imagine he'll stay true to form and probably fall in one of those two positions. as opposed to Genti. My concern on Genti is he doesn't really catch the ball very much out of the backfield. You look at him versus Sequin Barkley. It's about six yards less per reception in college than Sequin had, and it's about half as many catches his final season. And that's a big part of it. Gino needs to be able to throw the check down to a running back that has the potential to, you know, break big plays. And you just haven't seen that from Genti. And, you know, it's hard.

hard to not want that whole complete package. Yeah. The, you know, you would think, because you guys all, when you were with the Browns of the Jets, you do these mock drafts yourself, you probably, you know, you throw a bunch of curveballs at you. Take my audience, though, to, here's the draft, you're on the phone. You guys do get in your war room the picks about a minute before the audience does. So you do have a little bit of lag time for the average viewer.

has lag time um did you love it is it nerve-wracking was there ever a story where it's like you got burned i mean you're shaking so burned so burnt so burn so burn so burn i get a tape on my desk it's like a a DVD and i just happen to look at it as kid chris go con i looked at him like oh it looks pretty good look on our draft board we have them as a priority free agent or maybe not even there and I went and watched his college tape I really liked him I had some of the scouts watch them you know we started to get some momentum we got them pushed up and I think it was the the fourth round where we were on the clock and and go-kong was really my guy I really wanted Chris go-kong badly and so we're on the clock

and the Eagles call it's Andy and they say hey do you want to do you want to trade back and it was only I think two or three spots and so I said to Mike what do we look at here and he said well nobody behind us needs a linebacker. We should be in good shape. Chris will be there. No problem. I'm like, okay, are you sure?

He's like, I'm positive. So we trade back and the Eagles take Chris Gokong. And it just broke my heart. And Chris ends up being a starter for the Eagles and a really productive starter. Now he ended up playing with me later on in Cleveland. But it's just one of those moments where you're just, you have the player.

You should take the player. and we outsmarted ourselves and lost a quality starter in a late round. It just kills you, kills you. Do people lie on the phone or do people try to be honest? You know, you've got to know who you're talking to. You got to know who has the reputation of being honest, who has the reputation of lying. You know, you'll say to someone, is your player on offense or defense? You'll say, you know, there's, and you may get burnt once, but

typically if you burn someone that gets out in league circles and then the next time you're trying to set up a trade guys are like yeah I'm not going to trade with you I'm not going to do business with you by the way I wasn't laughing at you but these these stories are fun

it just breaks broke my heart Eric Manjini good seeing you coach good seeing you too Colin all right Jordan with the news no no no turn on the news this is the herd line news.

Colin, the Broncos are preparing for the second draft of the Sean Peyton era and Peyton loves the running backs in this class. He says quote, there will be a focus on the running back position for the Broncos. Now last year, the Broncos took Notre Dame running back,

Adrick Estime in the fourth round but I'm telling you right now Peyton wants more juice at that position. It's a big need. Now, I can also tell you they like a Marion Hampton out of North Carolina. like Trayvion Henderson out of Ohio State. He's got to find his Alvin Camara.

And when you think about what he did in New Orleans with Camara and Mark Engram, or what Detroit has done with Jamir Gibbs and David Montgomery, thunder and lightning. Who do you like at Denver? Assuming they are running back first or second round. Well, I think, I think Sean wants to do everything he can to ensure the success of Bow Nicks. so I don't know who I like I think

Sean Payton's legacy because of the Saints is set but I think Sean's making a lot of money and there's a lot on the line in Denver so he's going to draft people who make Bo Nix work

now he loves Bo Nix anyway every quarterback including Tom Brady is better with a home run running back so I think I think that's what they're looking at. I think there's better receivers than people think in this draft. I talked to an exec yesterday who said he likes two of them from Iowa State. They've got two guys that can start.

So I just, I think when I watch this draft, I will be thinking about Bo Nix. What? Because he's cleaned up the O line already. What's going to make Bo Nicks better? And also, Sean is a very clever play designer like an Andy Reid, where he may find a player that's a player that doesn't work for everybody that works for him. So that's just kind of, I'm going to be thinking of Bo Nix during this draft for Denver. What's going to ensure his success? He graduates to a master's program at the position. So you just hit it, nail on the head.

Amarian Hantham can really catch the football. He's an absolute workhorse, got that Joe Mixen Comp, more explosive. Travion Henderson, the best past protecting running back in this draft. So you can play them on all three downs. You can play them on third down. That is extremely important to Sean Payton. He's not going to put out a running back that cannot pass protect to your point about Boone Knicks. You need lightning.

Both of those guys have it. And you need someone that can protect the quarterback on third down and pass protection. Both of those guys can do it. Bill Belichick and North Carolina have signed former South Alabama quarterback Gio Lopez. Now, Lopez was one of the top passers in the Spring Transfer Portal, both Georgia and LSU were also in on the quarterback and had reportedly discussed giving Lopez a chance to compete for a starting spot in 2026, but the heels locked him up on a two-year, $4 million deal. He has three years, Colin, left of eligibility remaining.

Just to give you an idea contextually of what he is, I asked a veteran NFL scout, I said, tell me about the player. He said, dual threat, very talented, immediately becomes one of the best quarterbacks in the ACC. I imagine he's a day one starter in Chapel Hill. The whole situation in Carolina is fascinating. It is just, and it's not a very good football conference. So is Bill going to, you know, you're limited on hours you can coach in the NFL,

yet what, what, 17 or 20 a week? I think this is such an interesting story. They're going to be impossible not to watch. I mean, we always watch Notre Dame or Texas or the big brands, Ohio State, North Carolina is now on my... Must watch football? Yeah, it's on my main television. Like, it's just so good for the sport.

Can they, maybe not year one, but with this kid, who's going to be a really good college quarterback at the very least, can Carolina get to a playoff in year two? Oh, I think they can get to a playoff in year one. I mean, the playoffs... Because the ACC's also not. Yeah, I mean, so could they be runner-up in the ACC? I mean, SMU got there last year.

So Bill could absolutely get in the playoff year one. Yeah, and the key also is... all these schools, these top-tier schools, are spending money in NIL. Carolina just did it getting their guy from South Alabama. Carl Anthony Towns is getting ready himself to make his Knicks playoff debut against the Pistons, Detroit Sixth Man, Malik Beasley, and Towns play together for the T-Wolz. Beasie was asked about his thoughts on Cat and he said, quote, I'm not worried about Cat.

I don't think about Cat. He is the least of my worry. Now, this is Detroit's first playoff appearance in six years. They beat the Knicks three out of four this year, and here's the key. Carl Anthony Towns, first three games of the conference finals last year, 0 and 3, 15 points a game. There's a lot of pressure on Kat. We know what Brunson's going to do.

Yeah, Brunson's good against the Pistons. He had success against the Pistons. But can Cat perform? Because if the Knicks are going to make a run, it's going to be because of him. Yeah, I mean, I think we know what we get. From Carl? Well, I just think the Knicks, we know what we get from Tim. Carl Anthony Townes is an offensive player,

can't defend gets picked on, and teams like Cleveland and Boston and O.K. C.'ll eat him alive. But he can give you 24 points in any playoff game. Brunson's a great leader. I just kind of feel like I know what I get from the Knicks. I think they're the third best team in the East, and I think the East pecking order is much more predictable.

I don't know. I still can't believe the Warriors are favored over the Rockets. I guess it's Curran Curry, but I kind of know what the Eastern Conference playoffs are going to look like. I know what I get from Carl Anthony Towns. I think he's a... 20 and 10? Yeah, he's a really, really gifted offensive player.

I've seen him play three or four times live. He's really gifted. I saw Carl Anthony Towns for the Dominican Republic. He was 17 years old playing on the national team at the Garden. And it was the first time I saw him live. And I remember thinking, this guy is sensational. Now, you fast forward, this is his opportunity to shine. Because as much as it is about Brunson, I live in New York,

Carl Anthony Towns has become a big part of this city, but he hasn't had the playoff success. So there's some real pressure on him. Okay, this is a fun one. I posted this story yesterday, this video of Ashton Gentie Duncan. Now, Colin, he is listed at 5'8. I'm not saying the dude to Nate Robinson, but he is a massive favorite to be the first running back taken. The Raiders potentially at 6. This stuff has to impress you, right?

I mean, first in the FBS, almost 2,000 yards after contact, 164 mistackles first, 30 touchdowns, everything you want from production, and then you see him at 5-8 doing, I mean, his elbow's on the rim, Colin. His head is at the rim. Yeah, it's too bad they don't need you to do that in the NFL, but he's an impressive athlete. That was at Beaverton on the Nike campus. What's not to love about him? I mean, other than the fact that he's a little smaller, and he comes from a smaller, you know, lesser-known school. Well, but they did, Boise State played real teams. and he had really good games.

The Oregon game, you go back and look at the film. He's making NFL prospects miss badly. So he can play. He's a first round player, no question. Jordan with the news. That's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Line News.

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Caitlin Clark now people are saying well they gave her athlete of the year in December okay that doesn't make her less influential in April I thought it was just a gaff by Time magazine so we said to close out the week we'll name all these stars and sports and we'll call it a Caitlin fluencers she just by the way there's a campaign today for Gatorade that Caitlin Clark is part of. So that's, she's a breakthrough athlete.

Just to give you a heads up, basically every merchandise, ticket sales, TV ratings exploded with Caitlin Clark. I mean, everything exploded. Attendance. I don't think there's a athlete

that changed a sport more than she did more since Tiger Woods. Now, influence means a lot of things. So we'll give great athletes. and we'll say is she more or less influential than this athlete. Is Kaelin Clark more or less influential than Nikola Yokic?

More. He's the best player in the NBA, but he basically scrubbed his social media to concentrate more on basketball. He has no interest in anything other than winning games. Don't confuse great player with influential. He's not changing the league. He's not changing the way we play the game. Yokic is just an all-time great player. The day the season's over, he's in Serbia riding horses.

Is Caitlin Clark more or less influential than Luca Donchich? He is more influential. Luca's not the most influential player on his team. And again, great player. And I will say, if Luca has a healthy playoff run here, this is one of those that could change. because I do think he has a shot to be the face of the league, but he's also got a very unique game,

whereas she's basically the female Steph, and it's fascinating. His game isn't as beautiful or fascinating. He's just a scoring machine who we wish played actual defense, but I would say influential. Yeah, she's Tiger Woods. Nobody was watching golf. They love Jack Nicholas, but when you could double golf ratings,

that's influential. When Jordan leaves basketball, and they lose 50% of their television audience. That is not just great. It's influential. Is Caitlin Clark more or less influential than Steph Curry? Less because Steph changed the entire way we played basketball. She is the Steph Curry of women's basketball.

Yes. So Steph is, outside of Michael Jordan, I'd argue Steph's the most influential player in league history. Influential. Maybe not top five, but influential. Is Caitlin Clark more or less influential than LeBron? James. It's, LeBron is more influential, not just because he has been the driving force with the NBA for two decades. LeBron's really the face of empowerment and mobility.

So LeBron's influence is way beyond basketball. If you don't at least consider leaving an average team like Janus, people criticize you. That's LeBron. LeBron is why you have to consider leaving, even if you're pretty happy. with a decent franchise. That's the LeBron effect. LeBron's had incredible influence. He was the steward to the Players League,

the NBA becoming a Players League. Is Caitlin Clark more or less influential than Aja Wilson? Caitlin's much more influential. Asia Wilson's a better player. The ratings for the WNBA, the ticket sales, they didn't double when she arrived.

Age is just the best player in the league. Is Caitlin Clark more or less influential than Jalen Hertz? Yeah, this is weird. She's more influential. I don't. Now, he has, he is run, his entire industry, his business is run by apparently an all-women-led team, which is awesome. But I'm not sure in terms of influence, even winning influence, could you argue, Seyquin Barclay was the most influential player on the Eagles?

So again, I can love Jalen Hertz, but I don't know. I don't know how influential I would make it. We're getting to the tough one now. Is Caitlin Clark more or less influential than Patrick Mahomes? Okay, so this is the hardest one. I would say Caitlin's more influential. The NFL ratings were good with or without Mahomes. True.

He's winning Super Bowls. He doesn't have nearly as many as Brady. He's clearly, sometimes you're just great. Yeah. Nobody's copying Mahomes. What he does? Nobody can really do. I mean, throwing left-handed.

That's pretty cool stuff. All the arm angles. Mahomes is just amazing, but I don't think you're sitting out there and telling young quarterbacks, hey, throw left-handed, do these weird arm angles. That's not really, he's just an all-time unicorn as a player. Caitlin Clark's a big Chiefs fan, too, big Mahomes fan. Now, again, the word is influential. He's influencing outcomes, but even Andy Reid got to a Super Bowl before Mahomes.

Andy Reid was a great coach before Mahomes. Couldn't win one until Mahomes, though. True. I'm not saying he doesn't have some influence. Is Caitlin Clark more or less influential than Shohei Otani? Less. Yeah. Not that he saved baseball. He has changed the entire direction of baseball going to the Dodgers.

Also, he is global. She's a domestic star. He's an international star. So he's basically Babe Ruth. Yeah. But better looking and better. I mean, seriously. He's like a better version of Babe Ruth.

Appearance, ascetic, playing, pitching. I mean, I hope everybody understands. What we're watching? It's just insane. Yeah. Last one. Is Kaylin Clark more or less influential than Cocoa Golf? More influential.

Women's tennis has been popular forever, my entire life. I watched Billy Jean King, Chris Everett, Steffey Grav, Martina Navratzalova, Serena Williams. Women's tennis has been huge. In fact, in my lifetime, the first women's sport that was wildly popular was women's tennis. Because of Billy Jean, probably. Well, yeah, absolutely. So, I mean, women's tennis has been popular forever. The WNBA has been subsidized.

I think the most amazing thing about Caitlin Clark. This is fascinating. Literally, six WNBA teams have preemptively moved their Caitlin Clark games to bigger arenas. Does everybody understand the influence? They flew commercial. That's the big one for me. She changed how she is Uber for the WMBA. She changed the transportation ecosystem in her sport.

Yeah. That's why I say, in my lifetime, Muhammad Ali in boxing, I mean, he was the first athlete that was a huge personnel. Yeah. He was like literally doing poems and lyrics. and then Tiger Woods, you're like, oh my God, he's doubling ratings in purses for all the players. And then Michael Jordan, although Magic and Bird largely are considered the guys that kind of save the NBA.

But Michael made it global. Yeah. Like, again, then there's a bunch of, then I think Steph Curry's influence is crazy how he literally changed the math of the sport. that's her though yeah it's just a whole different ballgame i i i now this is just me this is my anecdotal experience i never talked w nba i don't think people that do what i do for a living uh dan or stephen a or we didn't really talk w nba i led with the w nba half a dozen times last year it was a topic regularly on my show because of one person not saying my show has that any influence i'm saying is the people

let do what I do, which is being a bunch of, you know, talk media, talk sports, can select anything we want to. I mean, it was, in the summer, I was talking NFL, a little baseball, and Caitlin Clark. And I can monitor numbers. People were interested. I can monitor minute to minute what people watch. Nobody was going away. I mean, that's why I kept talking about it. It's like, people are really into it. Her influence is insane. And that's why Time Magazine, I know they were trying to be nice.

No, it was ridiculous. They gave her player of, they gave her athlete of the year. We don't want to put her in the 100 list. Like, guys, we're talking Taylor Swift here. We're talking all-time stuff. Like Taylor Swift goes to L.A. sells out seven straight so-fly shows.

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