The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - Chris Broussard

Episode Date: August 1, 2024

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Thanks for listening to The Heard Podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in noon to 3 Eastern 9 a.m. to noon Pacific. Find your local station for The Herd at Fox SportsRadio.com or stream us live. every day on the IHeart Radio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. The host, first things first, I was just talking to Chris Broussard off the air about Team USA, and he started talking.

I said, stop, stop, stop, save this for the air. So you're telling me you are torn. You're torn with Team USA. What do you mean by that? Yeah, and it's not about any individual player. We'll get into Tatum and Embed, I guess. But I'm torn for this reason. I want us to win, of course, win the gold medal.

But when we blow everybody out, I'm not that interested. Like, I want close games. I want some nail biters. I want some drama. Or I'm not really interested. When we're winning by 26 and 40, we haven't won by 40 yet, but, you know, I just am not interested. So that's why I'm torn.

I look forward to every game. I'm excited. Oh, they got to face Yokish. Oh, South Sudan played them tough in the exhibition. And then they blow them out and it's like, I'm not really interested come second half. So that's why I'm torn. I want close games, but I want us to win. If, you know, the Tatum thing is funny.

So this is about me. I'm not trying to be a psychologist here. But I do believe Brad Stevens, the judge. GM of the Celtics has told us what he thinks of Tatum as a general manager. And I'll lay this out for you, Chris. It's okay in the eyes of Brad Stevens if Jalen Brown takes over some late game situations, because Jalen's great. It was when Marcus Smart took the ball out of his hands too late that Brad went,

time out. Okay, we got to get Marcus out of here. and I think Brad realized when you put him in big situations either with or against other alphas, at times he shrinks. And when I watch him in this group, there are times he's on the floor,

I can't notice him. I mean, again, he's B plus at everything. Ball handling, defense, a minus to B plus on everything. But I do think Brad Stevens is acknowledging and telling us what he thinks of him. He really likes him.

He may not always love him in big spots and that he's collaborative more than a killer, the more than I'm going to grab you by the throat. Jalen Brown's less talented. He is that. And I think I watched Tatum and this is confirming what I've believed about him for about four years. What say you on Tatum? I feel like Tatum for some, I don't know why necessarily. But this dude, I think he's judged unfairly.

I think he is over scrutinized. Now, I got while LeBron was over scrutinized because he's one of the best players we've ever seen, if not the best. But Tatum is not in that class, and yet I feel like everybody holds him to that standard. I mean, yes, he, like most even great players, he has had his bad moments in the playoffs or even in the finals. So are Larry Bird and Magic Johnson, and I could go on and on and on. But he's also had huge playoff games. You remember a few years ago, they go to Milwaukee, down three, two, and he puts up 40-some odd points against Philadelphia. What he got, 50 points or something in a critical playoff game a couple years ago.

And then even in the closeout game this year, now I get it, the first three games, which obviously set the tone for the series, Jalen Brown played better. But in the closeout game, they failed to close a moment. mounting game four. Jalen Brown was like six for 22 something like that and Jason Tatum was the great had the great game and Tatum obviously led them his points rebounds and assists throughout the finals. So I just think that he is overly scrutinized. I'm not holding anything in Team USA against him. Remember, because people that might say he shrinks, you know, he's with other alphas and he can't play with Team USA. Remember in 2020, he was a second leading score. It was. was Kevin Durant averaging 20 points, I believe, and Tatum average 15.

They had Damian Lillard on that team, Devin Booker, Bam out of Bayou, and Tatum was the second guy. In the gold medal game, he drops 19 points second to Durant against France, and that was a close game. And so I just think for whatever reason, people are looking for the negatives with Tatum. And in a sense, it's good for him if he can look at it the right way, because it's motivation. You are fortunate when you have just won a championship, and yet you still have a chip on your shoulder.

You still are motivated to win more. That's a blessing because you avoid complacency. So at the end of the day, I think Tatum, this will fuel him to be even better next year. Okay, Joe L. M.B., so he's not the defender of AD. He's not the shooter and passer of Yokic. He's not as athletic as Janus. He's not as dominant, though he has some shack similarities. He doesn't win.

the Eastern Conference since LeBron left it has been wide open, wide open. He can't win a second round playoff series. They fired coaches. They've gotten rid of teammates. Is this an awakening? Is this a, he's a 30-year-old with a lot of injuries that doesn't elevate teammates? It's happened before where we keep being told somebody, Carmelo Anthony, is this, this, this. And then by the time they're 30, 31, we're like, no, they're kind of this, this, this.

It kind of feels like that with him. does it not? Yeah, and everybody, understandably so, is focused on Tatum in these Olympics. MB is the guy that's really taking the big L, in my view. He looks bad. He looks like he's in the way. He looks like he's out of place. He looks like he doesn't know what to do or is ineffective if the offense isn't built

around him. And it in Colin, people have jumped on me because I'm so adamant about him. at time, like a reasonable amount of the time. Go down low, big guy. But now you're seeing how bad it is because you are surrounded by four outstanding perimeter players at all times. And here's the seven foot 300 pounder

who wants to be out on the perimeter too. And he's just getting in everybody's way. And so when they take him out, all of a sudden everything's flowing much better with Bam or with AD. And so Joel NB, right now, Colin, you said it's an awakening was the term you used. I'll say this.

He is beginning what will be the toughest, most scrutinized stretch of his NBA career. Because there are no more excuses. For a guy that's won an MVP and never to your point won a second round playoff series, he has really gotten, been free of a lot of the criticism. All right? I think because he's always injured, or even if he's playing in the playoffs, we know how banged up he is, or you had James Harden, who we know will disappear in big games at times, or you blame Ben Simmons, right, because he wouldn't shoot the layup, or you blame Doc Rivers because of his playoffs.

Enough. I'm looking at Joel Embed now. You got Paul George coming in. You got Tyrese Maxie Ascending. Nick Nurse is a championship coach. If you don't get it done, I'm going to. pointing the fingers at you, big fella. I don't care if you're hurt. I don't care if you're 70% of yourself in the playoffs. At some point, you have to show up and get it done. And so, yeah, right now, starting now, I think people are looking at it like, oh, my. And now he's going to get scrutinized until he can deliver a championship. And that's what happens to the great ones.

Yeah, yeah. Are you, finally, it's really interesting. I mean, there's been players like Bam out of Bayou's been excellent. Kevin Durant, when he's healthy, can be excellent. We all know that stuff. They're very good players. But when I watch this, these are our best players. And I think to myself, is LeBron James the best domestic player in the NBA still?

I'm not saying he's Yokic. I'm not saying he's athletic as he honest. He may not be as good as Wembe by the trade deadline. But is LeBron James this morning the best American basketball player right now, at 39 in his 22nd year, because that's what my eyes tell me. Well, I do agree he's the best player on team USA. Like in these Olympics, on this team, you see he's the alpha. Everybody's deferring to him.

He's making everything happen, even defensively a lot. So he's the best player right now in this team. But here's why, Colin, and here's why I would say, come next season in the NBA, he won't be the best American player. And he wasn't the best American player last year because this is what, six games. And if you include the exhibitions, 10 games. So for a six to 10 games stretch, no back to backs, plenty of rest. Yeah.

I only have to play 25 minutes when I've got such great, I got great teammates with me, right? When I'm on the floor and when I go to the bench, I got great players on the floor. We don't lose the lead. So this is perfect for LeBron. When LeBron retires, when Kobe retired, when Jordan retired, it wasn't that they couldn't go out on any given night and kind of rekindle the magic or even for any stretch of games. You just can't do it over the course of five months, six months, 82 games plus playoffs. You can't. So this is perfect.

And yeah, in this little stretch, LeBron can be the best player. But 80 games and then the playoffs, he won't because, look. Look at his defense. Look how energized he is defensively. He can't do that over 80 games, but he can do it over six at 39. So I think that's the explanation. I do think a lot of people are baffled. Like, oh, my gosh, is LeBron still the best player in the world?

But I think this is a clear explanation that, yeah, this small measure of games, he can go get it done. But 80 games, 100 games with the playoffs, no. Chris Bussard. And by the way, Chris just finished this week. week. He and his family, his wife, finished Sopranos, and he was puzzled by the ending. And so if you want to go on the social team for first things first, very funny, you know what? You know why I respect it? Because Chris Broussard doesn't rush to the theater. He doesn't rush to the TV. By the way, when there's a new iPhone, he doesn't rush. He takes his time. In fact, Chris is announcing later that he's

going to break down Game of Thrones in two years. That's what I respect. Probably five years. Five years. I just finished the wire before the Sopranos. I haven't finished that yet. I don't know what's next. Good seeing you, Brew.

All right. You too, Colin. Yeah, I'm told the wires. Breaking Bad. I haven't gone. I saw like three episodes of Breaking Bad. I haven't seen all the Sopranos, but I did watch the final episode. Yeah, Sopranos I did. I didn't watch any Game of Thrones. I'm just not, I would say this.

My personality isn't, I've got to have stuff first. It's just, that's just not my personality. I want, now, now, a Kay Oppenheimer got me to a theater. If there's a great movie, there's about one movie a year, that gets me to the theater. Or there's one great series that comes out on Netflix. Or there's big sporting events, but I tend to be like, all, get to it. By the way, did you watch Presumed Innocent yet on Apple? No, no. You've got to watch it.

No, I saw the movie. The movie was sensational, so I don't need to see a series. You've seen one Mission Impossible. You've seen them all. No, but that's, there was nothing before Mission Impossible. That's an original. Yeah, but there was one, two. There's like, now nine of them.

Isn't nine the same as five and three? No, each time Tom Cruise is fighting in real life to survive. Jake Gyllenhaal's fighting to survive. But I've already seen the movie. Oh, my. If I read the book, I don't necessarily need to see the movie of the book. Now, Silence of the Lambs, I thought the movie was as good as the book. I thought actually I loved the firm.

I thought the movie was great. Again, with Tom Cruise. Yeah, you're a fan. Just a minute. Well, I know, I, listen, I... He's a fan. He's a fan. Oh, people here saying Mission Impossible was a TV show.

What is that, like the 60s? They're right. I forgot. that, but I guess they are right. Nobody on our staff saw that show, but they just wanted to jam me. Oh, that's a great one. I wonder who pulled that out of their rear. Way to go. Whoever on the staff out to get me. No, but I just saw presumed innocence.

I loved the movie so much with Harrison Ford. It's a thought-provoking show. That's all I'll say. It's not your normal thing. I don't want anything to trump the movie I saw. Maybe I'm fearful of that. I love it. I love it. I love it. I'll just, it's all I'll say. I love the, that movie's in my top 15 all time. Oh, stop. I love, I love that movie. Oh, my, I don't know if it's a top 15 Harrison Ford movie.

Come on. Oh, it was such a good movie. Top 15 all time? My top 15's different. You know my number two? Clearly. You know my number two all time? Spotlight.

Oh, that is, that movie is. It won some awards. I've lost it four times. It's two, oh my gosh. It's two what? Real. authentic? It's a true story. Plus, I've got Michael Keaton

in everything is amazing. In my top 20 movies, Keaton's in like four of them. He's unbelievable. Sometimes you think you know somebody, and now you drop these Michael Keaton bombs on the end. Even that quirky birdman was sensational. I love Michael Keaton so much.

I think he'd like me. We would be friends if he would reach out. If Taylor Swift were my neighbor, I think we would be friends. Probably. I wouldn't bet on that. And you're never going to be neighbors. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeart Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged.

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Was he on talk soon? soup back in the day? Yeah, he was the original. Whoa. He's married to a British woman. He kind of hides. You don't see a lot of them. He's not looking, you don't see him around Hollywood. Oh, the other guy, Christian Bale. Oh, yeah. He's. Everything he's in is...

Batman versus Bain. Everything Christian Bale is in, he just steals the show. So we just turn it into a movie final hour? I'm not. I'm just, I have my favorite. It's August. You know, we are allowed to do that. Yeah. All right, let's start with the Eagles, who were awesome last season, 10 and 1, and then they ended

one and six, including a blowout loss to Tampa and a wildcar game that I lost money on. Devin White was in Tampa last season. Now he's with Philly. He sees a renewed urgency after last season's collapse. I think it was, at the end when you get to it, man, injury play a part in the playoffs. Since the urgency on defense from the Eagles, you know, the bugs we had, you know, we was hungry, we was feisty, and I think that gets you over the top. They just was kind of lacking it for whatever reason, injury or just didn't have a wheel to win or one. to, but it's a new unit. I think we complement each other right now.

It's just a bunch of hungry dollars, you know, trying to get out there. You like your Eagles? Well, I mean, Eagles fans think I hate them, but... Well, it's amazing. I am so pro-Philadelphia. I think the Phillies are the best team in baseball. I have the Eagles winning their division. By the way, Phillies here next week for the Dodgers, big series.

Oh, no, I'll be there. I'm 100% going to go to. Are you going to go to a game? Are you inviting me to one? Yeah. Wow, what a contact. That's going to be, first of all, remember how the Phillies just roll the Dodgers in Philadelphia? That's going to be the best baseball series of the year.

Phillies at Dodgers Stadium. The Dodgers are fully healthy. But Dodgers are getting healthier. They're getting healthier. And they just, the trade deadline, they went and got a couple good players. If you say so. Let's move on to the New York Giants, who are our favorite punching bag this summer, the Giants. They got a lot of heat from the media.

And Brian Daibble is, you know, he's under a little bit of pressure, I'd say. Oh, come on. He's, this is, okay, if you don't want to believe me, how's this? He's taking on a larger role on the offensive side of the ball, radioing in play calls to quarterbacks and running the offensive meetings. According to wide receiver, Darius Slate and Dable is bringing a different mindset to the team. Listen, as a coach, you're the walk-around guy. You know, you're supposed to be.

Well, now he's like, wait a minute, wait a minute, my job's on the line, Daniel Jones, well, I'm going to be running the offensive meetings. That says a lot, Colin. Well, he has to win this year, but I will say, I don't think he would do that if he had a quarterback they had more trust in. I think Brian's saying, listen, this is what we've got. I've got to be in these meetings. Nothing can fall through the cracks. I think he's, you know, that's why you have to be very careful.

You can never look at coaches' records. I mean, Bill Parcell's records like 500. Why? Because he took over reclamation projects. whereas like Wade Phillips took over really good teams. You know what I mean? And nothing against Wade, but you have to be careful about looking at records. Brian Dable's head coaching record doesn't speak to what he is.

And this is a big, big lift. Not only did he inherit something, but then the owner doubled down on a quarterback that wouldn't have been his. I just want to remind people, all the Giants fans saying there's no way they'll move on. from Daibol. The Eagles had Andy Reed as their head coach. And we're like, time out. He had a good run. We're done. He was their 14 years. So what? He's gone to Kansas City and is now on track to be like one of the greatest coaches of all time. That was stupid. Now the Eagles have won Super a Super Bowl since. There's two things about the Giants that you just don't mess with.

Daible and the defensive front. They're very good. They've drafted the defensive front. Well, Daibol. Everything else is. What's the number? What's the number they need to get to so that Daibol's not run off? With Daniel Jones? Seven. Seven wins will keep the job? They're not a lock for seven wins. If Washington's as good as you say, we know the Eagles are good.

I'm not saying Washington's great. You have them in the playoffs. Well, right now I do. Oh, wait. I want to wait for report. Camp report. You need to see the preseason games, obviously. Okay, so let's let's, you and I right now, sorry to the radio audience.

We're going to go through the schedule. Let's find their seven wins that we can agree on. Can they, I think they, I think at home they beat the Vikings week one. But they better. Okay. I think Jaden Daniel's second start is a very winnable game for them. Oh, so you have the Giants starting two and up? Yes.

Wow. Okay. Now it gets a little rocky. They're not winning at Cleveland. They probably don't beat Dallas. But these are very winnable games. They're not beating Seattle on the road. I'd be very careful about that.

Come on, you can't give them every toss-up game. Well, no Seattle. They're not beat the Bengals or losing the Eagles. They get Carolina. and Tampa at home. Okay, so that's two more wins. So that's four. Are they beating the Steelers?

They're beating the Saints at home. That's five. Are they beating the Steelers? They're beating the Colts at home and... Colts? What? Shane Steichen and Anthony Richardson? If he's still playing.

That's stylistic. Okay, so Colts would be six. Fine. I do think they have a chance to split with Dallas. Remember that second game? Is C.D. Lamb available? How's the offensive line? Okay.

All right. Where's your seven wins? I'm not saying they're a nine-win team. I'm saying I can find seven wins in the schedule. I cannot. Let's move on the final story. So this is fun. The preseason's kicking off tonight.

The NFL has announced they will be testing out Sony's hawk-eye technology in some games this preseason with the goal of replacing the chain gang. The system will most likely not be ready for full implementation until next season, but things move quickly. in this age of technology, Cowherd, with Hawkeye Tech, the system will track ball placement via multiple cameras throughout the stadium and notify the referee instantly if a first down was gained and there's no need for the chain gang. Are you going to get wistful for the chain gang trotting out to the field?

I don't... I don't mind the chain gang if you could alleviate as much of it as possible. So again, it's just out there too often. often. If it's out there seven times a game, can we get it down to one or two? It's just unscientific. In an age of data, technology, we should not have guys running out the chain and slipping like an index card. Remember when the referee did that? Did he get the first? It just, it would be, here's where it would be nice. It would also speed the game up. If you do get a first down, it's automatically signaled. Now, we still don't know. If you don't, how much is it? But I like the

idea if refs immediately get a beep in the ear, first down. That literally saves 90 seconds, and that happens seven times a game. So there's 10 minutes off an NFL game, and I'm not trying to shorten them, but brevity matters in pro sports, like college football games. They've had to change rules to shorten that you don't want to get four and a half hour games. So of six or seven times a game, that's 10 to 12 minutes of let's bring out the group, let's talk, let's just beep, first down. I think, again, the NFL in a leadership position, willing to change and adapt. Baseball trailing football struggles with change.

Football leading, pulling away from everything, this is why it's king. They're always willing to adjust the rules to make it a quicker, more succinct television show. In cold weather games, do you want to be outside for four hours or three hours? It does matter. The season ends in January and February. You don't want fans sitting there like in that Kansas City game getting frostbite and it's 90. I think some people had amputated limbs or fingers or something tonight. Brutal.

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and when you really think about it, is LeBron the best domestic player in the country? And it's like, well, no, he has the best stuff if you play six games. Like Mariano Rivera, in a closing role, is one of the great pitchers of all time. But he's not a starter. You're not a middleman. No, as a closer, face three batters, maybe four.

Mariano Rivera is the greatest pitcher of all time, virtually unhittable in that space outside of that Diamond Backs World Series or the Yankees. But in a limited role. So it's, again, Christian McCaffrey is a workhorse. You get, you know,

27 carries, you get receptions, but, you know, most players as they age, you still have greatness. Clayton Kershaw can still throw a three-hitter, but you're not going to get 34 starts out of him. So I think what Broussard was saying is, listen, LeBron, in a very no back-to-backs, six games,

need great energy, well-rested, he is still money. And I have proposed this for years. If I ran the NBA, I would shorten all the playoff series to three games in the first round, five until the finals, then you can go seven. What would that do? It would allow you to keep the biggest stars and the oldest players around longer. What really hurts LeBron is seven-round, seven-game first-round series, even if you win, it's four games.

Instead, if you were on a better team, two games, half that, boom, on to the next round. You want your biggest stars going to the second round, conference finals, finals. Why have this staggering number of games? Very rarely do you go to a seven game like Denver, Minnesota, and you have no idea who's the better team. Like, I don't know how this is going to work out. You generally have a pretty good, I mean, the Celtics played the Mavericks in the finals. Didn't we know by like the second quarter of game two, this was a terrible matchup for the Mavericks? I mean, it wasn't hard to figure out.

So it's like last year, the Lakers were so good. Remember early in the season, they won the in-season tournament. Because you're just asking LeBron, six games, be great. he is in the Olympics. Six games be great. He's better than anybody. I'm not saying he's the best player in the league. I think Yokic is a better player.

Yonis, when he's healthy, he's a more impactful player. And I think Wembe very quickly will be a better player. Just does more things at a higher level. But domestically, in a three or four or five, six game stint, LeBron's still the king, which at 39, year 22, is unbelievable. And I also think it speaks well of him that the young players are willing to let him lead. They like him. They respect him.

And that's because LeBron has tried, he's always made the right basketball play. He's cared about the game. He's been a great teammate. You know, if people say, well, he's selfish or politics, if you were worth 900 million, would you ever be selfish or want to say what you think about politics? Every goober on the Internet wants to tell you what they feel about politics. if LeBron has an opinion, he can do that, right? Also, we did today, we did this about two hours ago.

We did our over and unders, where J. Mack and I each took five teams, we think, are better than they're over and unders. And five teams, we don't think will be quite as good. Now, the one he doesn't like from me, we did agree, by the way. We agreed the Texans aren't over. The Vikings aren't over. We both agree. And the Niners are an under. The only and the Raiders.

We both think the Raiders are really, really bad. So we had four agreements of our 20 picks. We had four agreements. The strongest opinion he has, he doesn't buy my Denver Broncos are better than five and a half wins at all. He points to my very close relationship, texting relationship with Sean Payton. I guess my strongest fee.

here is you're just given the Jets a lot of love, but I do think they're talented. By the way, I'm looking up, I didn't realize this, the Broncos Center? We don't, by the way, you and I do not disagree despite our 10 picks here, or 20 picks. We don't disagree on any single team. I don't have an over, you have as an under. So you and I are aligned about 30% of the time. We're never in total disagreement. on any team. What did you say about the Broncos Center? I just looked it up. Some guy named Luke Wattonberg, fifth round pick from 22, essentially played one game last year, one game. And he's going to be your starting center for a rookie quarterback in Bo Nix. The rest of the

offensive line, by the way, is shaky. You've been talking about offensive line. They have a great guard and a great left tackle. Merits and Bowls are good. But the other three guys are Dicey and McGlinchie had a bad year last year. I don't know how you cobble six wins out of the Broncos, You seem very passionate about it. Maybe it's thinking with your heart and not your head. Here, Calh. That's not the way I roll. I've got no heart.

Okay, Tin Man. I don't know. Even the Broncos defense, like other than Sir Tan, their other quarterback Mathis graded out as the 126th of 127 quarterbacks. He just got lit up all. Remember, the Jets went into Denver and throttled them last year. Like, I just, I don't see it. Their defense isn't great.

but they did address it. They went and got it. I think my take is Judy and Russell Wilson out of the locker room, it feels now it is Sean Payton's team. And I'm trusting Sean to get to six to seven to eight wins. I can rock with that. Rams over eight and a half, huh?

Oh, I feel strongly about that. That one was already, I've already bought a pair of jet skis and a sofa with that money. The audience can sense. What? Your cozy relationships with coaches and front offices. What do you mean, cozy? You're tight with guys on the Rams and the Broncos.

And now, oh, look at that. You got the over on both those teams. I have respectful relationships with those. I keep a distance. Well, you are a respected journalist and a former blogger. I'll take it if you want. And a former what? Blogger.

Those rarely go together. Yes. Respective journalist and blogger. No, I think I do have a hard time seeing the Steelers being bad. So many good players. Wait a minute. If they go eight and nine, that's not bad. That's average.

Not for Mike Tomlin. It would be the worst season ever. Pittsburgh's got so many good players. Really? Oh, my God. We should do that tomorrow. What? I think there's an argument.

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