The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - Chris Broussard stops by The Herd

Episode Date: June 20, 2025

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Well, Eric Mangini Coats the Browns, and he still resides there, except for his boozy summers, and he is joining us now live Eric Mancini. So, I have a feeling that you and I

will disagree a little. During the break, you made an interesting point. So I tend to have the drip, drip, drip. This was my Johnny Mansell theory, is that everybody makes mistakes, especially when young. But if I see two, three, four, five, then you've got a plumbing issue. It's not just you didn't close the faucet. So there's about six pieces of video in college where Shadour was a

little bit of a brat, whatever. Then there's the legendary, cringy draft room. Didn't love that as a B prospect. Then there's back-to-back speeding tickets, both over 90 and a missed arraignment. and now I'm like, okay, it's not just a drippy faucet. There's a real maturity. Again, if he was a receiver, I don't think I'd care. So you want to defend him a little bit. I thought this was an interesting take. Yeah, I thought it was really interesting that you said you were out

because of the speeding ticket. To me, that's such a minor thing. You were so high in terms of his completion percentage in OTAs, and I thought that was a little aggressive on your part. But with the speeding tickets, look, I got a speeding ticket the first night of the draft my first year there. I thought maybe I'd get the benefit of the doubt, but they gave it to me anyways.

So they're pretty aggressive with the way they patrol the highways in Ohio. And this is, in fairness to Shador, this is the first time he's been outside of his dad's overview, of his dad's house. I mean, I think he was his high school coach and then he was his college coach. And this is like any kid who's away from home for the first time, yeah, there's going to be a couple hiccups here and there.

And do you want back-to-back speeding tickets? No. The Mr. Raymond, I would imagine his lawyer was supposed to take care of that. Typically, with speeding tickets, you can sign something and get that handled. I don't love it. I don't love it from a fifth-round draft pick. I don't love that happened multiple times. But I do think that this is the first time he's been away from his,

from his dad and you know there's there's going to be some some growing pains now uh do when i sell my stock on it like like you are not because a couple speeding tickets especially in light of the problems that brown's quarterback room has had to deal with legally in the last few years i mean this is this is nothing this is okay um okay the um how much of this is this is this is i mean jimmy Haslam has his hands all over Mansell, has his hands all over to Sean Watson, admitted it, man enough to admit it. I saw the reaction in the draft room when they took Sudhir Sanders. It's pretty obvious it wasn't the coach in the GM's pick. How much is this?

This team has eight last place finishes and 13 years owning it. How much of this is we don't have a very good owner here like Washington, D.C. and the commanders. Yeah, I didn't love the owner stepping in saying you got to take this guy. in the fifth round and I doubt they'll ever admit to it but but taking Shador Sanders in the fifth round it's it's a lottery ticket if it hits great it couldn't be any better for the organization even if it means your scouts are wrong and and your head coach is wrong and your owner is right if you hit on a quarterback in the fifth round it's it's fantastic and if you miss on them it's it's not that

big a deal so I could see why why Jimmy has them at that point was saying, here's a guy a lot of people had significantly higher. He's dropped all the way to the fifth round. It's a position of extreme value. And if it works out great, and if it doesn't, we're not that much worse off. All right. I mean, did you ever have a fifth round pick hit, like big, big time? You know, I was part of the sixth round pick that hit in New England with Tom and then, you know, Rodney Harrison is a guy coach who was drafted in the fifth round who ended up hitting pretty big. And you see it every year, you know, there's one or two guys that pop in those late rounds. From a quarterback perspective, I actually like the fact that

he went later because I thought the pressure would be taken off him. What I don't love that the Browns are doing organizationally is hyping them up as much they are in putting the pressure back on them. I don't love that part of it. I want to this team we may not talk about much this year.

But Justin Fields is an interesting prospect. So there's so much good offensive coaching now in the league that didn't exist 20 years ago. There's so many smart young guys. The McVeigh tree alone is just so many smart guys. And so Sam Darnel, Gino Smith, and Baker Mayfield found a second, third, fourth team,

and they hit. And that didn't used to happen, Eric. If you didn't hit on your first team like Drew Brees was the exception like it was over. But the offensive coaching now is so good that you know you can find the Liam Cohen or you can find somebody and they take Sam Darnold, Kevin O'Connell and turn him into a star. So Justin Fields is fascinating. Justin Fields goes from defensive culture Chicago to defensive culture Pittsburgh. Now it's defensive culture coach jet so I don't have high aspirations for him. But I will say, say that his numbers in Pittsburgh, if you extrapolate him out over a season, were like B++,

that he was actually pretty good. Where are you in this new NFL where, yeah, guys hit a third team and they often have a darn old season or a Baker season? Yeah, it's very easy for us to bury guys, especially high draft picks, if they're not successful. right away. You know, we're all, everybody wants instant success and guys develop at different rates. And then we saw it with Sam. We saw it with Gino. Ironically, Sam and Gino were both Jets picks that hit somewhere else. And now the Jets are trying to do it with somebody else's first round draft pick. But there is, there is now precedent for it. And Baker had a level of success early and then, you know, had to go through a little bit of a hero's journey to get back to

Tampa Bay and do what he did there. And I'm optimistic for Justin from this perspective is each year his intercept touchdown interception ratio has gotten better. Yeah. The amount of sacks that he's taken has gotten better. His completion percentage has gotten better. So those things are positive. And as he becomes more comfortable in pro football, and now the sets have given him an opportunity to be a starter, they're committed to making that work, it's going to be really interesting to see if he can still trend the way that he's trended over the last four years. And there's a real shot.

It could work out extremely well. And even if it doesn't work out, Colin, he's, what, $20 million a year for two years and really $30 million is guaranteed. He's a fraction of what other starters are getting paid in the league. finally i have last several years i i think this is my favorite pick who will double their win total last year i took washington and denver the year before i think i took the rams everybody thought they were in a rebuild the year before that minnesota so i'm a little little heat heater new england's my pick this year and first of all drake may year two 300 million in free agency

i liked how they attacked their lines in uh uh the draft but I also said this. I think they go from a coach that was over his skis a little bit, was probably more of a coordinator, to, I think, a really good coach. Tell people you're feeling on Vrable, what you've heard, what you know, because I really, I know he is not flashy, but I've always thought Mike's team, he's a culture developer.

Tell me what you know about him, and do you have hopes for the Patriots this year? Yeah, I thought Mike Vrable should have been the pick last year. Mike Vrable is arguably the smartest player that I've, ever coached his recall in the defensive room of things that we had done years earlier was was incredible so you and it wasn't just his recall of his position it was his depth of understanding of the entire defense of situations of you know the way that the game was unfolding the way that the opponent was unfolding so that's that from a scheme perspective he's got the legitimacy of being a

former player who is extremely successful he's got the advantage of he's he's been outside of the new england system so he got coaching experience at ohio state he got coaching experience for the texans he got coaching experience uh in in tennessee so so he's it's not a first time head coach that's a huge asset as as well and he took a year off to kind of reevaluate his approach and then and take a step back and see what was good and what wasn't good so i think that's valuable and i think josh mcdaniels there is underrated. Josh McDaniels, remember, he took Mac Jones

and made him into a pro-baller his first year. Everybody forgets about that. Josh McDaniels, you can kill him all you want as a head coach. He is an outstanding coach, and he's an outstanding offensive coordinator, and he's done a great job with young quarterbacks, and we saw it with Mac Jones.

So if anything there's to be optimistic in New England, it's the fact that he's back in the fall, too, and he's got a really good work. relationship with Mike. It's not like their strangers working together for the first time. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, it's us to Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some

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We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast where people could call in and say, Hey Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it.

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And he knows without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nash would get that thing.

That man, hell get the flying. He run up the court licking his fingers while he got the ball. Like, after you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, undisclosed location. It's great seeing you. You know, you're very positive today.

I'm being very negative nelly on Shadour. You are. I am. I got a little hot, a little cold, so I'm, you know what? Listen, maybe I'll regret it, but I sold my stock yesterday after that second speeding ticket story. I sold my stock. I'm done. You're going to buy a bunch when he throws his first touchdown in preseason.

They're going to be like, oh, my God. Why do I sell and rush back in and buy a ton? Wouldn't be the first time I've done that. As always, Coach, great seeing you. All right. We'll talk to you soon, Colin. All right, good stuff. JMAQ with the news.

No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, Colin, let's get back to the NBA draft. It is Wednesday. I'm fired up. I think your interest level is gaining. There are reports that indicate former Rutgers,

Ace Bailey canceled his pre-draft visit and workout with the Sixers. Now, if you remember Porzingis back in the day, the Sixers were all about him, and he's like, I don't want to go there, you're not getting my medicals. I don't know what's up with this Ace Bailey move, but he's currently the only U.S. prospect that has yet to work out for any teams or visit any teams. He's getting strange. There are reports that he really thinks highly of himself, and he's like, listen, I want to be a star. I don't want to be a second banana or a third banana.

I don't know what's going on with this. Colin, he looks like a guy who could project to be a Paul George type player. Long, can hit the three to five. He is a ball stopper, though. One assist a game. He's got no playmaking ability. He's not a guy that's going to fit into a lot of offenses. This is a guy that has a higher sense of self.

There is a difference between delusion and confidence. One assists a game. ball stopper, hard fit into a lot of team offenses, I don't think it works. So what do you do to fix that mentality? He is a teenager. Obviously, people at 19

aren't the same as they are at 23, 24. Can you get through to this kid and buy in? Hey man, look, I've got rings. I know what it takes. You just need to chill out. You're not going to be the star. I'm sorry. Can you get through like that to a young kid? There are a lot of correctable flaws. Delusion is not one of them.

And I've always, I've felt this in my company hiring people. There are things you can work on. I think you get into trouble when you think you can change people at a base level. You just think you could, if you go find somebody that's a bit of a squirly mess at 23, or somebody that's not trustable at 23, you probably still don't trust them at 33. Like at people that are unethical or lie with ease. like that just something that I think that's just who you are. Now, if somebody is, you know, there are certain things like, you know, we change diets.

We change workout habits. We change. There's certain things that, but I. But if you, everyone, that's internally for us to change. That's not for someone wanting to change us. As a married guy, I'm sure you know what I'm talking about, right? Yeah. And that's, you're on to something with change because anybody who's been.

married knows that like, hey, your wife may not like some stuff you do. She wants you to change. And you can try, but, Colin, let's be real. That's who you are. You can't fundamentally change some of the things. Well, I mean, if you're a selfish person, it's hard for you to diametrically change to a person that sacrifices often, which is what marriage is. Right. So it's like, and again, as a player, I'm not saying he can't, your jump shot can get better. Your ball handling can get better. But if you're a guy that in like a pro athlete Zion that struggles with weight,

then not a lot I can, if you're a pro athlete and I have to convince you to be in shape, Luca, you're constantly, it's like, okay, I mean, by the way, Mello was never in world-class shape for 20 years. So D. Wade was in the best shape in the league. Steph's in the best shape, but that's who they are.

So when I see this kind of, I'm not going to visit with any team. Good luck. Kind of like, I'm out on that guy. Interesting. All right. Next up, let's go to college football where Arch Manning enters his first year as the Longhorn's starting quarterback. He's shown a lot of promise in his limited opportunities.

And now his uncle, Peyton Manning, thinks that his nephew will thrive in Sarkesian's offensive season. Adding he'll have great knowledge of the system as he enters year three. Unbelievably, Arch Manning has made 95 passes in 12 games. That's it? This is a very greed player, Colin. Obviously, the talent is there. I don't know. Three years in CERC system, do you expect him to pop right on the gate?

Well, he's a better athlete than Eli or Payton. But Archie Manning, you know, the father was actually, I watched him. Bad Saints teams. Archie could move. Archie was a scrambler. So he's more like Archie. He can move around the field really well. And I think he's strong.

I've seen him videos on the Internet, you know, T-shirt, without a shirt, in the weight room with all the guys. Like, you know, they're all like buffed out guys or something. I saw a picture like a year ago. It's like, oh, no, no, he's got some size to him. And he's obviously a smart kid. My guess is it works. He never complained about not playing.

So he's got maturity. He's big enough. I think his arm is pretty good. He moves really well. I mean, Manning's, on average, they're all smart. I know four of them. I know the dad. I know Eli.

I know Cooper. I know Arch. I know Payton. They're all smart. That's a big part of this whole league is, can you learn playbooks? I think he's going to be a Heisman trophy candidate. I think he's going to be really good. Okay, so let me ask you, though, in Sark's offense, I believe under Ewers,

they didn't have him running a lot. Sure, he could scramble, but Sark wants you to win from the pocket. Would you say that's fair? Okay. Do you think Sark tweaks the offense to take advantage of Arch's legs? Or, hey, we got our system. we're going to run what we do. Arch, make it happen. I think if you have a guy that can move, you move it.

But I think, again, Arch looks to his family and goes, how did my, how did Peyton and Eli, how did they win Super Bowls from the pocket? Jaden Daniels moves just fine. He's great in the pocket. Different area. All the good quarterbacks now can scramble. Look at the top four. Mahomes?

Alan Jackson. No, I mean, it's Bo Nix moves a lot. I like scrambling, but Sark's system isn't built on scrambling. He's going to want you to throw from the pocket. Final story is back to soccer. We have some sound now after the USA beat Saudi Arabia 1-0 on the Chris Richards goal. So Landon Donovan has chimed in about the USA's chances against Haiti this weekend. The question is, is continuity the most important thing?

Is rest the most important thing? I would say, though. I think Haiti, even though Saudi beat them, I think Haiti are a better team than Saudi Arabia. And this was our best team here, and they struggled with Saudi Arabia. Like, you could lose that game if you don't play your full team. You can't.

That's interesting. But who cares if you lose a gold cup game when you've already advanced? Isn't it better to get the young guys reps? As opposed to, hey, we got a win that we got must beat Haiti. I think the way this team has played, I think wins matter. I think

I would go play to win. I don't think I'd rest any. This organization, there are a 2-0 loss from another negative analog, avalanche pouring down on the United States men's national team. They need double use. Aren't we mentally strong enough to handle the media criticizing us? By the way, this game is Sunday against Haiti. You know what else is Sunday?

NBA finals game 7. So there's a world where Pochitino says, you know what, all the attention in the U.S. is going to basketball. Let me tinker. Let me mess around. Let me try some new stuff. This is the last major tournament before the World Cup. I want six wins.

I don't want to mess around. I want my next group beyond the Weston McKinney's, you know, beyond Tyler Adams, beyond Christian Pulisic. I want to figure out my next six to seven really good players. I'm not going to a third group. We can do that after the World Cup. All right. I want this.

I want to find substitutes or World Cup team members who, if I have to play in a pinch, I can. Okay, so here's the line. So remember, the U.S. was not a huge favorite against Saudi. It went up to a minus 180. U.S. is minus 245 to beat Haiti. So it doesn't really jive with what Landonovan was saying kind of is some disagreement on Haiti versus Saudi Arabia. And the market is saying the U.S. should roll in this game. Not like they did five nothing in the opener, but they are concerned.

considerable favorites Sunday night. J-MAC with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News. Tomorrow's headlines today to wrap up the week. Next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific.

Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, new? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey, Joe. Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts.

Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how did we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down?

Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends, me and hilarious guests from Bob O'S, to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and headwriter, Streeter Seidel,

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I'm Renee Stubbs, and on the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast, I'm breaking down everything happening at Roland Garris, every match, every upset, and what it really takes to win on Clay. Jenchen win. I mean, she went down in three to Rabakina, but I'm delighted. She's an outsider to win the French for me. And she likes Clay. Listen, Lina Rabakina is arguably the best player in the world right now,

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And I'm C.J. Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about defying the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows. without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game.

We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense.

And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nass would get that thing. That man, hell get to fly. man, he running up the court, licking his fingers, why he got the ball, like, after you go through a training camp with that,

Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Been quite a week. Multiple brawls. Caitlin Clark and the fever and the Dodgers and the Padres,

Shador Sanders, drama, a very active week. And for all the talk about, oh, you know, indie OKC, I don't know. You go back to that Golden State, LeBron, Cleveland Cavalier final, six blowouts and a great game seven. You know, we've had like one, two ugly games in this thing. Last night was ugly, but we've had four or five really good games. And so it's been a really, really captivating series. We don't have a ton of star power.

But, you know, sometimes we over-dramatize how good those, you know, Reggie Miller, Nixon-Pacer's games. I mean, some of those teams were scoring in the 70s. They were free-throw shooting contests. This is historically, you know, nobody's going to talk about this final. But I think game seven is going to be fantastic, and I can't wait. But it is time, as it is, Friday at this juncture, every week, for the former newspaper man to deliver.

Liver headlines. Clicky headlines. Tomorrow's headlines today is what we call. What's the headline for the NBA finals? Pacers Thunder. I don't know, Colin. This is a tough one, right? I mean, it kind of reminds me of the OKC Denver series

where they rolled in game seven. The headline will be. Game Chet match. Pacers find double faults to go around. I will go OKC. Kind of big here, 10 to 15 points. I think they cover the spread and win. Listen, I'm rooting Pacers.

I'm not going to be objective about that at all. I'm definitely all in on Indiana. But I just think OKC's a truck at home. Other than that game one loss, Colin, where they kind of vomited the game away, I believe they've led for like 141 of 146 minutes at home in this series. It's just not competitive. I don't think Alex Caruso will be as bad as he was in game six,

nor will J. Dub, and Obie Toppins is not going to hit five-three. He's like, it's tough for me to make a case for the Pacers, but I'll be rooting for. Well, what is the line? About five and a half. You know, it's eight and a half and now it's seven and a half. So some people are betting Indiana. I would bet Indiana. Really?

Yeah, seven and a half, eight and a half, I'd bet Indiana. So you think what okay, C's tight and nervous at a game seven and home? Yeah, I think one of the things that you and I talked about, I know I did, is that the youngest team in 48 years with a chance to win a championship, okay, Indiana is not going to be tight. Oklahoma City is going to be, I don't care if they lead by 15 with eight minutes to go. They're going to be tight. And Indiana is playing as a dog with house money.

Halliburton's not 100%. OKC better have control of this game with five minutes left. Or Indiana is going to be a problem. We know Indiana's great in the close games. Obviously, this is close season. They did lose game four, which was devastating. But I think the number OKC is like 500 in close games this season because they don't play a lot of them. They don't play a lot of them.

So I'm going to take Indiana in the points. Okay. Tomorrow's headlines today. Oh, the suddenly dysfunctional again, New York Knicks and the head coach search. By the way, did you notice this week it was very quiet on the Knicks front? Like they swung and missed with all those teams. They were like, you're not talking our guy. Now it's quieted down.

I think they're zeroing in on their guy. The headline for the Knicks job will be. Mike Check, one two, one, three. Rings? Nicks want to finish their set. I think Mike Brown is going to be the. guy. Colin, the more you read about him is a guy who's worked with LeBron, right? He has coached the Lakers and the big glare and spotlight in L.A. He was with those Warriors teams that were iconically

great, 73-win team, the Kevin Durant teams. He's been around the block, took the Kings to the playoffs. I think he's your guy who kind of lowers the temperature a little bit. He's not the screamer to the Tibido where Michael Malone is. It's pretty clear. A lot of people think, oh, Michael Malone, why wouldn't they go get him? It's pretty clear the Knicks don't want him at this point. Now, maybe that changes, but his name's nowhere to be found on all the gambling lists and, like, even the interview process. It doesn't seem like they want to go back to a timidot-type screamer.

Mike Brown, I think, is a great choice. Tomorrow's headlines today. Kevin Durant, nobody loves him. What say you? Don't you love this? It's like Kevin Durant has a beloved superstar. And now everybody's out on him. So all he does is sit on social media all day arguing with people.

Kevin Durant, where's he headed? the headline. Well, me, can't spell Houston without O-U-T. KD's next west exit. Hey, somebody please tag him on that. Kevin Durant's like shouting with people. He's arguing right now. I'm sure you saw the latest. So Boogie Cousins came out and was like, oh, yeah, there were multiple fights in the Phoenix locker room this season. Now that hasn't been reported anywhere. So Kevin Durant's like, I'm calling BS on that. The guy is literally spending his off-season arguing with people on social media. Colin, I don't think that's a guy many teams will want. However, Houston, I don't think they're going to have to give up much to get him. It's sounding like, hey, your best offer is going to be Jalen Green.

If you want to reroute him somewhere else, that's fine. But it's like Jalen Green and maybe a bench guy and a pick. But they're not going to have to give up Shen Goon, obviously not Amman Thompson. And frankly, I think KD could work there as like a number three guy who just has to score and get buckets, doesn't have to be a leader. They got Fred Van Vleet. I think it could work in Houston. And finally, tomorrow's headlines today.

What's the headline for the Lakers now under new ownership? Yeah, I loved your Laker rant yesterday. Everybody agrees. This is great for the franchise. The headline for the Lakers will be, Lake me out to the ball game. Braun enters year 23 of his seventh inning stretch. If you're a Laker fan right now, you're giddy, Colin.

You are looking at everything the Dodgers have done for 15 years and saying, why not us? I know the Dodgers have no salary cap, but it's the little things behind the scenes that you pointed out yesterday. It's the scouting department, the analytics department. All that stuff can be beefed up. No cap, by the way, no salary cap, I mean, on assistants and analytics departments. They are going to build that out and they're going to have some of the best in the business working in L.A. It's not difficult, Colin, to get people to want to move out here, the beautiful weather and the beaches and the Hollywood premieres. I think the Lakers are heading back to the elite class where they were in the 80s with Magic Worthy and Company.

Chris Broussard, Brew was on earlier today, and we asked him, I mean, he covers the NBA and has for years. We asked him about the new Lakers ownership. Imagine the Lakers with the weather, with the prestige of the franchise, now being with. willing to spend money as much, if not more than anyone else in the league. This is great for Luca Donchich. It's great for Lakers fans. And they're going to do everything they can to start winning a bunch of championships. And when you look at what he's done with the Dodgers, it's hard to say he won't get a few.

So Dave McMinneman had an article earlier. And there was another young man that was involved in that article. the Tim Bondhamps, that don't be surprised if the Lakers don't expand, like the scouting department. And there was a couple of instances showing that the Lakers, I mean, they, during COVID, they were looking for federal assistance, like a lot of small business people were looking for. And it's different. And they didn't go to the Sloan Analytic Conference, the only NBA team that missed that. So, you know, we've used the term multiple times.

It was a little mom and pop-ish. Jeannie Bus will still be the, quote, governor of the team. But Mark Cuban said he was going to be around when the Mavericks sold. And new ownership spends $6, 7, 8, 9, $10 billion. They're going to control the team. And Jeannie has been a great face of it. Everybody likes Jeannie. Impossible not to like.

She's concerned. She's conscientious. She's great. But it's just a new ownership. It's a new time. Everybody freaks out, you know, the billionaire. the venture capitalists, you know, they can like sports too. They can like sports too.

And, you know, sometimes they come with their impulsive and, you know, they demand stuff because they get their way a lot. But I'll take the faults of venture capitalists to own my team. You know, Steve Cohen can be a little much, but would you rather have him or the previous group that got taken to the cleaners by Madoff, the Willponds, who always, you know, felt like they were just kind of underachieving. So Steve Cohen's a little impulsive. I mean, now Dave Tapper is it in Carolina.

Again, he's been over the top, but he's a smart guy. My feeling he's going to learn, I actually think Carolina is going to vie for a wild card spot this show. I don't know if they'll get there. So I, you know, I'm not one of these. I'm not afraid of billionaires. They create a lot of jobs. They're big thinkers.

I mean, I, every day, I am on TikTok. That is, TikTok is the one social media platform I go to. And I go to it a lot for business leaders. And, you know, AI, what to do with your money. And, you know, they give incredible advice. Everybody on the internet is pretending they're a doctor, pretending they're a venture capitalist. I'd rather have a venture capitalist just own my franchise.

So for years and years, Paul Allen was one of the richest owners, and it solidified the Seahawks, who were always kind of a wonky franchise, and then Paul Allen. And when he had the Blazers, I don't know, when Paul Allen was front and center with the Blazers, rest in peace, you know, I thought they were always vying for star players. So I just think you have to be well-funded. There was a day in a time, and like in baseball is a great example, where the regional sports networks, which really helped the A's and the Reds and the Royals and the pirates, those have kind of gone away when Fox sold them.

And there is a massive gap in baseball. And you know the baseball teams that are good? The ones with the rich owners, you know, they're spending money. So, yeah, David Teper, the Panthers owner. So, you know, it doesn't mean they're all good. But, I mean, what worries me is when you get a corrosive owner like Dan Snyder in Washington and that kind of corrosive human being and that's the stuff that worries me. or Donald Sterling or just, you know, like Mard shot, bad people.

That's what worries me. I'm not afraid of the 9, 10, 11 figure guys. Yeah, whatever. We're going to have a trillionaire here, but we may already have a trillionaire. Whatever. You know. All right. J. Mack, good week.

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