The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - Coach K stops by The Herd

Episode Date: May 13, 2025

Colin talks to 5-time National Champion and former Duke head coach Mike Krzyzewski joins the show to tell Colin what type of prospect Cooper Flagg is and how to navigate today's era college athletics featuring NILSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Radio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Well, there's no basketball coach ever. I'm reading the accolades. The most wins by any head basketball coach in men's basketball history. That's pretty good. That seems like that'd be near the top of my resume. Five Natty's, 42 years at Duke, the Gold Standard Program, 24-0 is an Olympic coach,

and now a public speaker with grandkids in the area. What a life for Mike Shoshchewski who's now joining us live. You know, you told me years ago, you said, Colin, I start recruiting guys six to seven years before you see me sign them. So let's talk Cooper Flagg. Basketball is a very unique sport where you can see at 10, 11, 12, 13, you can see special. Do you remember the first time you saw Cooper Flagg? You know, I do not because I'm three years retired, so Shire must have seen him when he was 14.

But I did see him when he was at Mount Verde. Yeah, like a, you know, they have, actually they have four from his high school team. They have four kids who are going to be first round draft picks. And I knew he was special, but because they had so much talent, I didn't realize how special he is. And this kid plays every play hard. Yes. Every play.

Every play. People have compared him, I think, almost favorably to Jason Tatum. When I watch him, he feels a little more aggressive than Jason. He's an aggressive attacking player. Do you think that comp is fair and realistic? I think they're two different players. They're both 6-8. Actually, I think Cooper grew about an inch here.

He's still only 18 years old, so he's still grown. He might end up being 6'10. But I think offensively, you know, Jason really has developed into a great shooter. We're waiting to find out about his injury. But he's really developed differently than I think. think Cooper will develop. Cooper is just unique, you know, like he's, he's so strong. His legs are so strong and athletically he's gifted. But attitude when you add his athletic ability and his competitive attitude, you have a very special guy. And, you have a very special guy. And

he can really score the ball. I think he's a good shooter trying to become a really good shooter. Whereas Jason is that shooter. I read Ian O'Connor's book about you, which I thought was fascinating on so many levels. And it's so funny, John Wooden and you, you're obviously the all-time greats, but John Wooden, it took a long time for him to win at UCLA. And as Ian O'Connor pointed out, there was a meeting or two about Mike Shashefsky in about your fourth year and people are like,

we don't know if this kid from Army is going to work. You endured for a lot of reasons. You're smart. You're collaborative. You are a grinder. There's a lot of reasons. But when I look at college basketball today, do you like the place we're in Tom isos a survivor? But a lot of the big ones have left.

Sometimes college football, I think, is too impatient. do you think college basketball is good to coaches because the NBA I can argue is not a great place to coach is college basketball today actually I think the NBA is a better place to coach yeah I think college basketball now is pretty much like the NBA except there's no transparency in other words you're at one school I'm at another I don't know what you're doing doing for a player. You don't know what I'm doing for a player. And it's really professional right now, or college basketball. But the product is outstanding. And kids are staying longer because of NIL. Yeah. You're getting older teams, the influx of international, young international pro players to college. You can win quicker in college now.

And there's, like John Shire has done a great job here at Duke replacing me. And I've told them, I said, I think you've done a better job than I would have done in the last three years with all the changes. Because I would have always been saying stuff, well, it used to be this way, it used to be that way. And for you, you're just starting out. It wasn't used to be. It is. And right now, I just think people should put their arms around college sports, especially college basketball, in my opinion, and run it like a business because it is a business. The product is great, though.

There's so much talent out there. You know, there's an argument people have made. I don't know if I concur with it, but it's an interesting argument that J.J. Reddick is smart. he's very tightly wound that in the NBA in big games he kind of he's a teeth clencher a little but he's very very intense and in the NBA as a coach

he was very intense and people say boy it's not about that it's more Steve Kerr you got to be part psychologist part schematic guy that maybe JJ is just too intense when you watched I mean listen that's a good quality to have

what do you make it a good I mean you were intense I watched you ride a officials for several years. I'm still intense. What do you make of those discussions about JJ that maybe he's wound a little tight? No, you know, he wants to win and his preparation to win is outstanding. You know, there's a learning curve in every profession. I thought he had a great, great season.

and his players, he won over his players. His players know how hard he works. And he was a terrific player. He, you know, I think he's learned a lot from this year. You know, he'll critique himself and have, you know, he has a veteran staff where those guys will take a look at what they did and how they were doing it. and make adjustments going into next year.

But he had a great first year. And they played a team in the first round that was deeper and more athletic. Yes. And the NBA has gotten more physical, which I think is good. But it's really physical in the playoffs. And that lent itself to, given the timber will see, a little bit more of an advantage.

and they're a good team. You know, they're a really good team. You, Steve Kerr, Mark Few, Beheim, you guys all have done a very good job coaching professional players. As college coach is obviously Kerr played at Arizona, but he's a pro coach. And is there coaching at Duke because you have so many pro players is a little NBA-ish. Yeah, it is. It is. It is, do you, did you ever take anything from the pros and bring it back to Duke to help you?

Oh, yeah. You know, I coached the U.S. team for 11 years in three Olympics and two world championships. And I brought back a lot, you know, the sports science, you know, how guys prepared. Language, not cussing than that, but different, although probably picked up a few. words there too. No, just how they're defensive coverages, you know, but they're, you know, one of the main things is how hard they prepared and the excellent shape they kept themselves in. And I brought that back where we really increased our sports medicine science and, and, but it also helped me, X and O wise. You know, I had, Jim Beheim was for

with me all 11 years, but I had Monty Williams and Tibido, you know, these guys who are, you know, terrific pro coaches. And I learned a lot from them, but I learned from the players because they're really, you know, these are great players, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, all these guys. They really understand the game. People, don't realize how smart they are and how much preparation that they give. So those were 11 amazing years for me. And I was very lucky to have that opportunity. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific.

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Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how did we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down?

Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

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happening at Roland Garris, every match, every upset, and what it really takes to win on Clay. Jenchen win. I mean, she went down in three to Rabakina, but I'm delighted. She's an outsider to win the French for me. And she likes Clay. Listen, Lerabakina is arguably the best player in the world right now, and I actually can win on any surface, because if she's serving, well, good luck. Consider this your court side seat to the French Open. Listen to the Renee Stubbs Tennis podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged.

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You know, Christian Leitner was so dominant when he played, and he was part of that Kentucky win. Years and years ago, maybe it was Jay Billis was sharing a story about the first time you had seen LeBron, and he took two steps at half. court and dunked it and you turned to Billis. What in the world am I watching? Go back to your college career. I'm going to test your memory. Was there a moment when you obviously coached your team hard, but you allowed players to go off script, the Grant Hill.

Players, was there ever a moment in college you went back and you turned to an assistant and you're like, this player is better than I thought he would be this? Like you were actually as a coach. You turned an assistant and said, I never imagine. He would be this good, this player? Yeah, no, a number of times. I can remember when we had Bobby Hurley. And Bobby was this good a point guard

that's ever played in college. And one practice, he's playing defense. And I looked to Tommy Amaker, who was one of my assistants then. And I said, I've never seen anybody play that hard. And then at times with Grand Hill, you know, if Grand Hill had not done, not been injured five years since his pro career. He would have ended up being one of the top 10 players of all time.

But he was very humble. And there are times that timeouts, I would say, every four minutes, I'd say, okay, every time you touch the ball, I don't want you to pass it. I just want you to do whatever you want with it. He said, what do me? I said, no, just do something where someone. someone says, you know, how did Coach K teach you how to do that? No, I'm not lying.

I mean, this is true. And because there are players, there's certain players that you have to be careful not to overcoach. You have to give them the run to become what their talent can show. Zion was that. You know, really, even though he's an outstanding athlete, but he wasn't that, like those two guys, Zion and Grant, Batti A was like that. He was very humble, too.

Yeah. And let's say, come on, man, let it out, you know, let it out. Like we were talking about JJ earlier, JJ did Colin, he did some stuff that I could not imagine

in hostile arenas guys were pulling on his shirt he was trying to run them into the ground and he enjoyed putting up 40 on the road or 38 or 36 he was so damn cocky

and good no he he really was. I love my plays worked better with my children. I'll tell you that. Yeah, it's what Nick Saban says. Yeah, it always plays better

when I get a great pass rush from a five-star guy. Yes. Finally, there's a lot of reasons I like NIL. One of the reasons I like it is because I like kids having a little money and before they have a lot of money. Because

a lot of athletes don't have it. So I like a guy having a couple hundred thousand and maybe blown it on a, you know, close, and before he gets 20 million, and I do think it's instructive that before you get, you know, it used to be no money, college, you make a fortune. And I think that's tough on anybody, regardless of your background. Have you found there are some things with NIL that, that, I think it's keeping more kids in college. I like college basketball over G-League. I like that. But are there things about NIL beyond just? a kid making money that you think are instructive or you like about it?

Well, it is what it is. And so we should put our arms around it and figure out how to make it the very, very best. I will say that one of the things you just mentioned, it's not right with all these kids, where you make a lot of money now and then you're going to make a lot of money later. Most of the kids, remember, there's not as many are going to make it into the MBA. are going to be making more money in college than they will after college. And that's the thing. I mean, there are a lot of kids making seven figures now.

Not all, if you counted all those kids up around the country, making a half a million to three or four million, depending on the school. and there are a lot of kids and they're what's the lottery, got 14 guys the first round has 30 picks and so they're going to be

guys who there are kids now there are kids that have not been invited to the combine who were making seven figures last year in college wow you know so you're going to have to deal with that

however if there are smart, they have a right to make that money just so they use it wisely and they're able to transition to the next phase of their playing career. The guys who are lottery picks and that, that's the normal thing. Yeah. That's the normal thing. But it's all changed. Yeah. It's changed. It's changed. And it doesn't mean that it's bad. It just means that we have to get better control over it and make sure that these kids are well taken care of. You know, right now, if you're a college coach

at a high level program, you're dealing more with agents than you are with coaches. And that's why you have general managers. It's run like a professional team. Except there are no contracts, which that might change depending on where to hell this all is going. But it's just in a state of flux right now. But God bless, the kids should make as much as they can.

They should transfer just like any other student whenever they want. But that's going to run out. And hopefully when it runs out in college, they're able to go to a level of playing basketball that is really good for them. Coach K, 42 years. Ambassador now in the speaking circuit. Love to hear some of his stories. Nobody's ever won more basketball games

in men's basketball, and that is saying something. There's been unbelievable coaches. You can turn the TV on every night. It can be Rick Carlyle or Chris Finch. There are great coaches everywhere. My buddy Tomizzo, basketball's got great coaches everywhere, and you're at the very top of that coach, and I appreciate you stopping by.

Yeah, now I've always enjoyed being on. And thanks for not forget. me you know like uh it's just that that that was you know i don't even know why i said that i shouldn't i liked it erase that erase that you're you're capable of doing anything erase that it'll just go right into the ether nobody heard but you and me that's it that's the only people that heard it all right all right good see thanks for having me out you met uh the great mike sheshefsky um yeah it's I mean, like, I think what it took Mike a couple years to embrace one and done, but I think with NIL, you can complain about stuff.

Like Rick Carly, or Rick Petino said, you can complain about stuff, or you can embrace it and try to figure it out. It's like anything. I mean, I almost look at NIL as a new tax code. All right, got a new tax code. An accountant's job is to figure out how to use it best for his clients. I mean, in the end, you can, you know, I don't like what it is. By the way, every year, the Wild Wild West will get a little less wild

and everybody will get their arms around it and we're going to be okay. Nick Wright, Coach K, good guest today. As I get ready to get on a plane with a few others and head to a beautiful city, some of us are staying behind, others are taking the big swing. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the I Heart Radio app. Hey, it's Steve Kavino. And I'm Rich Davis.

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And if you miss any of the live show, just search Covino and Rich, wherever you get your podcast and, of course, on social media. That's Cabino and Rich. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, name? Huge news.

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I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. And we were thinking I'm originally calling it. one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes.

I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, people could call in and say, Hey Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas,

and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen.

We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and Friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes.

Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The French Open is one of the toughest tests in tennis, and I know firsthand because I competed there myself. I'm Renee Stubbs, and on the Renee Stubbs Tennis podcast, I'm breaking down everything happening at Roland Garris. Every match, every upset, and what it really takes to win on clay.

Genshin win. I mean, she went down in three to Rabakina, but I'm delighted. She's an outsider to win the French for me. And she likes Clay. Listen, Lernerabakina is arguably the best player in the world right now and I actually can win on any surface. Because if she's serving, well, good luck. Consider this your court side seat to the French Open.

Listen to the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast, Superhuman, documented it all,

embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, welcome back. J-MAC. Just got some video in, some pictures,

some still photos of the rookie quarterback symposium camp thing radio audience I apologize it shows the difference in size between Joe Flacco Shador Sanders

Kenny Pickett and Dylan Gabriel who I do not see as an NFL quarterback you're such a heightist don't you think Dylan Gabriel's been dealing with this his entire career high school college

now it's the NFL's just another day for him that's why he went to what does they say big tree fall hard when the big guy goes down, Dylan Gabriel's taking him down. I predict he starts more games next season than Shador does in Cleveland. We have a close-up of he and Flacco having the discussion. Okay. Well, let's see what that looks like. It was, you know, it's awkward. It's so utterly disrespectful. No, I think, I just, I do think size, I think we have, because

the occasional Russell Wilson or Kyler Murray, we look and think size doesn't matter. Drew's my size, 6'1. Yeah, Drew's my size, 6'1. But I think we look at that and we go, oh, I grew up with Fran Tarkington, who was smaller, but very, very mobile. And I think it matters. I want my guy to be Justin Herbert or Dan Fouts or Philip Rivers, like the Chargers. I want 6-3, 6-4 big guys. We show the picture earlier of Justin Herbert, Bo Nix, and Dylan Gabriel. Justin Herbert, ideally, I want a bigger athletes.

To me, 6-1-5 is kind of what I'm looking for. So, yeah. I mean, it hasn't helped Kenny Pickett at all. Well, again, there's some. But, I mean, Justin Herbert is ideal. I mean, look at his chest and his shoulders and his legs. Have you seen him in person? Yes.

He's enormous. He's massive. He's an abnormality. No, no. He's just an NFL quarterback. There's not a lot of guys that are his size man. His size strapping. Baker Mayfield.

Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Big Ben, Cam Newton. Yeah, four guys in the last 27 years. Listen, you say, well, Jalen Hertz is 6.1. He's also unique. He squats 616. pounds. And he's a unique athlete, his mobility and movement. So, J-Mac with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, Tom. Big game tonight, Cavs Pacers, game five. It sounds like Donovan Mitchell's going to be a game

time decision due to that ankle injury, came out at halftime for game four, tried to shoot, was like, uh-uh, this ain't working. He's headed back to the locker room, did not play in the second half. Darius Garland, he's not worried about tonight. He says the franchise has been there before down 3-1. This franchise has been down 3-1 before. This group can do it. We've got the talent, got the skill set. The camaraderie is always there. Just got to just go out there and play with our physicality that we play with and play our brand of basketball. No. LeBron James ain't walking through that door. Sorry, Darius Garland. It's not happening. With no Mitchell, they're done.

I don't think there's any chance they win this game. They're done. With Mitchell, maybe they win this game in fourth game six? They're done. I think Celtics are done. Do you have an early lean in Pacers, Knicks? I think a lot of people like the Pacers. One person here respected the Pacers early in the playoffs.

You did. You deserve credit. You liked them. I think there's a lot of people that think they're a match-up problem for the Knicks. We'll see. We'll see. Next up is to the NFL. Derek Carr retired over the weekend.

It was weird. He retired like a, was it Saturday morning? I didn't see the news for hours. It was just a strange timing. And now the Saints quarterback room looks like this, Colin. Spencer Rattler, Jake the Snake Hainer, and rookie Tyler Shook. That is uninspiring to say the least. Ratner and Hayter went a combined 0-N-7 last season,

and Shook is a 25-year-old from Louisville, who played seven years of college football, never distinguished himself. I don't think this is hard. I trade Chris Olavé. I trade Alvin-Cabar. I think they're going to be in the running for the number one pick next year. Without. I mean, I know people want to say Archmane is up and out.

Who's going to be, let's just be honest. Who's going to be bad next year? Cleveland? Cleveland, the Jets and the Giants have the lowest win totals. I think the Saints will be right with their or even worse. I trust Justin Fields more than any of the Jokers. Giants have Jackson Dart, so they're out of the quarterback. Don't draft the quarterback first.

round. They're into the Jackson Dart for two to three years. Timeout. If they win five games, there's a chance Dayball and Shane are cooked. They're gone. Right? So then Jackson Dart doesn't have anybody championing him in the front office. And the new guy is going to want their own

quarterback because they're drafting top five. So I don't know about that. I think the Saints have probably one of the weaker rosters in the NFC and I would look to trade anybody good, bottom out, and then Hope Archmanning comes out. I think he's going to come out. By the way, all these people who are like, oh, Arch Manning's going to stay.

You can count in the last 25-ish years the superstars who were going to be won and then stayed. It's Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck. That's it. Everyone else who's good comes out. So I don't know, Saints. I think you can get Arch Manning. Final story, Colin, college football. Oh yeah, week one, Fox has announced Texas, Ohio State kicks off the season. Doesn't get much better than that. You've got the best player in the country in Smith. You've got the most promising quarterback in the country in Arch Manning. And, of course, it's a rematch from the college football playoff, which was a great game,

went down to the fourth quarter. This is going to be Mustang TV, obviously. I haven't not seen the line yet, but I would lean Texas just because they got a quarterback. Yeah, Texas probably be a two and a half point favorite, something around there. I mean, I think the two best players in college football are both Buckeyes. Downs? I think Caleb Downs has a chance to go after Arch Manning. He'll be the first non-quarterback taken.

Caleb Downs will be the first non-quarterback taken. And then I think Smith-wide receiver is a sophomore. He may be better than him, but I don't think he's eligible. He's not drafted eligible. Oh, it says Ohio State minus six. Oh, I would take Texas plus six. That seems, why is that? Arch Manning and you're minus six?

Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. I mean, that sounds crazy. I don't even know who the Ohio State starter is next year. Well, and also, Texas has said they're going to spend 40 million NIL. Hey, they got arch, man. You don't think, and they got revenge on their minds after losing that playoffs game? No, no. That's a bad line.

I don't care if the game's in Columbus. You know, give me Texas there. Straight up on the money line every which way. We're laying in the lumber for September. Who gave us that line? Was that one of those, hold on, hold on, actually. Okay. So now it's actually a.

It's minus three Ohio State. I still think I would take the points. I like Texas. I get Archmanning, revenge, and Texas is going to spend more than Ohio State did NIL. Ohio State lost a ton of guys to the NFL. Well, they have the two best players. Well, they lost two running backs, elite ride receiver. Their quarterback's gone.

They got a lot to race. I know they got a ton of guys, but give me Texas in that matchup. I think I lean with you. I don't know Ohio State's quarterback situation here. Reds. Will Howard, you know, he's gone. He's in the NFL now competing. I know. For a backup job. He's a Pittsburgh Steeler. Are you done? Yeah, yeah. Okay, J-Mac with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The Hurdline News. So, NFL schedule released, is that tomorrow? Oh, yeah. So there's a lot of people speculating that Aaron Rogers will announce after the schedule's out, or right before he'll announce he's a steeler. I'm not going to try to guess what Aaron's going to do. I could see Aaron. just to screw with people, you know, he's very contrary and just do something off script. And I could see him doing that. Like doing it next week.

I don't think that, listen, I know the Steelers are a blue blood, everybody. I don't think they're going to get any primetime games, do you? With an uncertain quarterback situation? No, no, no. I mean, in the inner division, you'd take Burrow and. You can't have Mason Rudolph on Sunday night football. That just, it's not, that doesn't work. I mean, I would say these days,

Aaron Rogers on Monday night, Sunday night football is worth maybe one game. If they go in a little, you know, I mean, you can flex it in, yeah. By the way, before we go, I think the Celtics, the Tatum injury, Porzingis, Horford, Drew Holiday looks old. I,

I, not that Boston isn't well run and won't figure, out, but it feels a little different today, right? Like, their future's not quite as cemented as it was. Well, they're going to have to move off some guys. I don't think they can get Janus, right? I don't see a path to that, but they can tweak around the edges, and you seem to love Jalen Brown to NBA Finals MVP. Drew Hollidays had a bit of a tough go here in the playoffs.

You know, Porzingis is looking like this illness has got him down. I don't know. Peyton Pritchard, what happened to Peyton Pritchard last night? Great question. 20 minutes? Did he get five-threes the other than? Missoula, they just stood around in the second half. They didn't move.

You think he gets fired, Missoula, by the way? No, I mean, he grew a lot first year to second year, so I don't think they, I think, you know, coaches grow. The JJ Reddick will be better next year than this year, and he had a very painful exit. Joe Missoula is going to have a very painful exit. It is a big favorite who just did not pull enough levers in big spots. Nick Wright earlier on the Celtics future after the Tatum injury.

If Tatum is out for next season. Was last night the last game of Tatum and Brown together? Maybe. I wouldn't bet that, but maybe it certainly ends this iteration of Boston, which people were speculating was going to potentially make some major moves, even if they won the championship. Yeah, I mean, the way they've done it, the NBA's eliminated tanking. I mean, you can do it, but it doesn't help your odds clearly.

and the other thing is it's eliminated dynasty. So you've got to break it up. And I thought Denver was going to be the next spurs with Yokic. They had to move off key rotational players, and it's never been the same. Now they've moved off their coach. And Denver's got a lot of big contracts for a lot of years. And now Boston, I mean, let's be honest. Tatum's deal, Jalen Brown's deal, and one of their other deals is it Derek White.

They're just starting. and those are long-term deals. So if those three are the future, that's fine. I like all of those players. But they're going to have to make some moves here. And those windows, we thought Denver. I mean, we thought Denver, this thing was going to last a long time. Oklahoma City may just fly past them tonight.

Let's slow down with that. Regarding the Celtics demise, can you name the last defending NBA champ to get past the second round of the playoffs the following year after winning the title? Golden State. Yeah. You got to go back. back to 2018, Colin.

Like, it's tough to repeat, man. These games, where you, 100 games in a season? 82 plus the playoffs. I've been saying this. That's a lot, man. You've got to get rid of seven-game first-round series. You're wearing these guys out. You're allowing this kind of level of physicality,

and you want seven games in the first round. You're beating your stars and your older players up. They're falling apart. So I think you should go, I mean, I would be three games in the first round. Jordan played five game first round. I'd go five, five, and then seven. I'm sure the owners will push back. We need the game day revenue, all that stuff.

But next time you get Adam Silver, we need to ask him that. Why not go back to, you know, five games in the first round? If you're going to allow physicality at the level, which is being permitted, seven games is just that Celtic Nick game last night, the intensity and physicality of that thing. Tatum earlier in the game hit the floor and it's like, wow, it was like a football collision. By the way, Denver is starting to age. Yes. Did you see the line tonight?

It was 10. Yes. I like OK season. I do, I do too. I mean, you guys are getting older quick, man. These games are rugged. Jason, Ryan, I'll see you guys tomorrow. All right, pal.

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