The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 3 - College Football, PGA Championship

Episode Date: May 19, 2022

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Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, IHeartRadio, Fox Sports Radio, FS1. I heard Top Gun, the new Top Gun, got a five-minute standing ovation at the Cannes Film Festival. Or is a film festival can or is a film festival can or just a celebration of the industry? No, I think it's a film festival. No. Five minute

standing ovation for top gun I'm trying to think if I've ever given anything more than the 30 second Ovation Five minute standing ovation is Well I mean it's It's a little bit of showmanship involved I think it's well Hollywood loves themselves So you know they just

But that's pretty good though It's supposed to be great That's an action film I've told you before You scoff at me But I told you Mission Impossible The last one may have been the second best movie I've ever seen The Silence of the Lambs

Silence of the Lambs is a great movie. It's the greatest movie ever made. Mission Impossible 75. They all have a slightly predictable storyline is all I'm going to say. Well, you knew that Hannibal Lecter he wasn't going to sit down with a knife and fork

and eat the detectives. I mean, that was a predictable ending too. He was going to escape. Sure, but there's some suspense to that. Like, listen, I'm not knocking it. I watch it. I love a good action film. I've seen it 42 times. Okay.

And then the... But you, but... I've seen it 42 times. But you haven't seen Remember the Titans. Nope. Or Raging Bull. I haven't seen Raging Bull either. So, the best movie I've ever seen is Silence to the Lambs.

I think Goodfellas. These are all acceptable answers. A platoon. Okay. Very strong. Mission Impossible. When Tom Cruise is hanging on the cliff. Yeah, the real cliff.

That is the greatest single moment in the history of movies. It's pretty good. I enjoy the Mission Impossible series. By the way, I read a story on it. It was not a green room. That was a real cliff. He could have fallen to his death. And Tom said, no extras by his fingernails on a cliff and like Scotland.

He does do his own. He broke his ankle jumping from building to building. So Maverick Top Gun, it's supposed to be spectacular. I've heard all great things. I'm definitely going to see it. I can't figure out how his hair. So he's gotten some facelift because something looks kind of off. But he's got this remarkable hair.

It's not a hair piece. His hair, Tom Brady and Tom Cruise, I don't know if it's the Bosley hair system. It is not gone back. And they're in their 40s or 50s. Some people have, you have a full head of hair. No, I don't. No, I don't.

This is my spring hair piece. I do not have a full head of hair. No, but I mean, Cruz and Brady, I think, it's like they're like dogs. their hairlines going down. You know what I mean? Cruz is almost 60 and his hairline is dropped. It's right above his eyebrows. Colin has this new thing where he like discovers

plastic surgery options. Oh, I had no idea that there's this whole world out there where people have to have this something removed. Yeah, and you were like fascinated by all the different things that they could do in the office. I had no idea what was going on. Yeah. So they can fix your hairline. It is possible.

Nobody's touching. I don't want, there's two places, knives are not going. Gotcha. Yeah. I mean, I don't judge, though. I think it's perfectly acceptable. There's also, you know, hair pieces. Yeah.

People wear those. So let me segue. And I'm wearing one. And by the way, you staple it right on the side. It's not. Okay, so the Luca thing's fascinating because Luca really struggled last night. And believe it or not, you know, I mean, the Warriors are good defensively. Kerr had like four different defenses.

I mean, they were really throwing stuff at him. They had Andrew Wiggins picking him up. And that was my prediction that Warriors would win it in six and that Luca would not be quite as dominant. People tend to forget that Michael Jordan, he had a couple stinkers. One against Portland, I think, or Seattle, a couple against Utah,

a couple against Orlando, the Knicks. Believe it or not, Michael Jordan had bad games. In fact, there's an argument to be made that LeBron in his prime almost never had a bad playoff game. I mean, he was bizarrely consistent. But I think one of the things about the NBA playoffs, two things are happening here, and it's a very good sign. First of all, we don't have a dynasty, and those usually help ratings. We do not have a dynasty right now.

And we don't, and the ratings are up 25%. And we don't have LeBron in the playoffs, and the ratings are up 25%. We don't have the biggest brand in the sport in the playoffs, the Lakers, and the ratings are up 25%. And that is a good thing for the NBA. Baseball is overwhelmingly tied to the Yankees and ratings. That's not disputable. So the NBA and the NFL and college football, by the way, you need certain programs, Notre Dame and USC and Texas really help the ratings. When USC and Texas played for the national title, it got a 22 and a half. That's an NFL playoff rating. Now they get like 15s because Alabama's small market,

SEC is too regional, two insular. So it's really a good sign that the NBA doesn't have the Lakers, doesn't have LeBron, we don't have a dynasty. I mean, these teams are mostly about cultures with one star, and the ratings are up 23%. So, you know, my takeaway on it is I think Golden State's the best offensive personnel. Luke is the best player, Boston the best defense,

and Miami's got probably the best culture. And my guess is it's an offensive league. and Golden State's going to win it. That's my guess. But I do think Boston evens the series up tonight. But if they don't win, I'm over the Jalen Brown-Marcus Mart. Jason Tatum, let's be patient trio. They're just better versions of what they were like five years ago.

And they don't have any titles. And they're not getting close. And if they lose tonight and go down 2-0, they're not one in this series because it's virtually impossible to. And that's where we stand. Now, the other story this morning, which is obviously speaking of non- is Nick Saban and Jimbo Fisher going back and forth, back and forth. And here's the thing about the NIL.

So college basketball and football players, all these programs for years and years have figured out ways to get kids money. In the South, they pay kids through the church. I had somebody years ago telling me, you'd send a kid to a restaurant, you'd valet his car, and when the kid came back into the car, $1,000 in the glove compartment, right? Like there's just ways to make this stuff work. You give kids jobs.

They don't really work and they end up with money. What's happening now is the dynamic has changed, which is college football coaches are the most powerful coaches in America because NFL coaches have owners and NBA coaches have owners and baseball managers have owners and college basketball is not as popular. The most powerful coaches in America are college football coaches at football powers. and they are the highest paid state employees, and they always get their way, and now they're not always getting their way. The players have power. The players can transfer.

The players get paid. And it's a little unwieldy right now. I think most people would agree it's a little bit of a mess. What this is really about for Nick Saban, this is about the power dynamic has changed. And the players have a lot more power than the coaches, and they don't like it. and I hear all this moralistic stuff. Like, oh, I mean, this is not good for the players. Well, Nick Saban will recruit three running backs a year.

That's like nine on the roster at any given time to play. Those other kids would have been much better off going to an Auburn or Mississippi State where they could actually get carries and showcase their skills. So all these programs basically over-recruit all these positions because 25 scholarships a year, frankly, is too many, in my opinion. So you end up recruiting five receivers. I mean, USC wants this Jordan Addison. They already got 12 receivers on the team.

So the minute you bring him in, that means the 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th receiver, they're not going to get any looks. They're not going to get any catches. They're better off transferring. So I don't want to hear all the morals and all this stuff is fearmongering. The power dynamic has changed. People that have been successful, grumble on the, internet all day when the world is changing. I'm not a Bitcoin investor. I think I call it Bitcoin.

I don't buy it. I don't invest in it. But people have a right to do it. And a lot of people on Wall Street are freaking out. The bottom line, it tanked. A lot of people got in trouble. There's an argument to be made Bitcoin was popular because we were all stuck inside for a year and a half. The government was handing out money and he couldn't spend it on a lot because a lot of businesses weren't open. So people went to the internet all day long and got to into NFTs and Bitcoin, and a lot of them have gone sideways or belly up. But in the

end, a lot of the talk about Bitcoin is fear-based. It's not stocks, it's not equities, and a lot of old people freak out. If you want to invest your money in unregulated currency, be my guest. I'm never going to do it, but be my guest, I don't care. I don't take shots at it

until this moment. Do what you want to do with it. But this is all fear-based and power dynamic stuff. College football is fine. It's not going die. It's okay. A lot of things, we see this all the time. Something new is introduced. It could be drones. It could be cryptocurrency. It could be NFTs. It could be NIL. It's introduced into the market. It takes the market by storm. It creates a bit of an avalanche. It's not as regulated as it should be. I mean, God, folks, we're still regulating traffic laws and state alcohol laws. It's not as, you know, drones shouldn't be

by airports and we learn from our mistakes. And it's not as regulated as it should be. And finally, but for about 18 months to two years, it's a bit of a tsunami and the people in charge don't like it. They don't like it. They don't like the turbulence because they aren't at the top of the food chain.

NIL's fine. Transfer portal's fine. If I have to hear one other college fan whine at a non-traditional power about what's happening, Oregon State was never one in titles and they're not winning them now. Well, the parody, there is no parody. It's college football.

There's like nine programs every year with a chance to win. Truthfully, maybe four. Next year, there's three programs that should win. Ohio State, Georgia, Alabama are the three best teams. Notre Dame, Clemson are really, really good. Keep your eye, dark horse on maybe an Oregon or a Baylor, Utah. There's like six teams with a real shy. And as much as like Oregon and Utah, they're not going to beat Georgia or Alabama.

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By the way, Alan Shipnuck is a sports writer. He writes a lot about golf. He's got a new book out. Speaking of Spicy on Phil Mickelson, who's had quite, he's not at the PGA Championship today. Tiger's finishing up his round. And I think it's going to be Allen's bestseller. Phil Mickelson, somebody asked me one time,

has there ever been anybody that I've not interviewed in 25 years of doing this, that I wish I had interviewed. And it's only Phil Mickelson. That's it. I feel like we could solve that. Yeah, I mean, not now. I don't think he wants to talk. He's taking a lot of hits.

But it was the only person I've ever interviewed. he had legendary stories about his gambling. He loved gambling. Years ago, somebody told me he listened to my Blazing Five. He loved betting on football. Fine with me. It's nothing illegal about it. He's got a lot of money.

Apparently, the gambling losses have been much greater than previously reported, like $40 million in gambling losses. I literally am sick to my stomach if I lose $100. Well, not that I'm encouraging people to, you know, lose a lot of money on gambling. No. But people spend their money. lots of different ways. No, I gamble all the time. Fandle, try it out. I like sports gambling, but I hate losing. I like betting 50 bucks and winning. Yes, I mean, that's obviously the goal.

Parlays are fun. You can bet 20. It doesn't feel as bad. But it's interesting. Phil Mickelson is, you know, when you make that much money and you're in the public eye for as long as Phil Mickelson, you're going to step in it. I mean, seriously, Nick Saban to me, stepped in it. It's why I argue that LeBron James is the greatest superstar we've ever had in the history of sports. He's been in the public eye since he was 16 years old. Outside of leaving Cleveland in a way they didn't like, what's the scandal? Yeah, that's his big, there was a thing about China. People didn't like it. I don't, I mean, we're talking about real human beings that have brains and can, you know, use the English language properly. that's not a conversation I'm having.

Yeah. Your phone is from China. You want to boycott China? Good luck walking out the door. Yeah. That's not what I'm talking about. He's scandal-free. Like, that's the biggest thing is that some people disagree with him politically.

Yeah. Who doesn't? Yeah. At some point. Our phones made in China? I thought they were made up in Palo Alto. How about them? 12 NFL seasons.

Lechon McCoy, two Super Bowls. You know, we were talking about this. When you came out of high school, the NIL, you were the number two running back in the country. There was no NIL. And you originally committed to Miami, I think. I think you did, didn't you? And you ended up at Pitt. So if there was NIL today, you would not have ended up at Pitt, would you?

Well, I got hurt. So originally I was going to go to USC. Reggie Bush is my host when I went to a Fisher visit. So I would have committed there, but I got injured. And that was a blessing because I got to go with the superstar Dave Wanstead. Yeah. I probably made some good money over there if this is going on now. Yeah.

By the way, we're talking about Sabin's taking shots at Jimbo Fisher on the NIL stuff. Do you worry at all? I mean, let me be a cynic for a second. I could just say, Lashon, the best players have been getting paid for you. years anyway. Who gives a rip? Absolutely. Okay. You believe that's true? Oh, man. Some stories I've heard from something like the SEC conference, right, the bigger conferences. A lot of players have a lot of money, right? Let's listen to the stories. And coming from Pitt, we were in the big east. I didn't see that type of money, so they've been getting paid for a long time.

We all know that. Right. So let me ask you this. So Joey and I had a disagreement. I think Baker Mayfield has to suck it up, fall on the sword, go play for Cleveland when Deshawn Watson gets suspended for eight weeks, go play, flip the narrative, be a team guy, suck it up. I know you think you got lied to, but everybody in pro sports is getting lied to by somebody. The bottom line is go play. You'll look great on your resume. You're a team guy. Joy says, hey, it's personal. They lied. I couldn't do it. I'm not saying there's a right answer. Could you go back if you were Baker and play when you've essentially feel you've been lied to by the organization, the coach, the GM, the owner?

Well, I think the biggest issue is like the leverage. I mean, how much leverage do you really have? So they've agreed to his fifth year option, right? He's going to get to pay a lot of money. And just be a leader, right? Be a leader, be a guy that's a locker room guy where, hey, listen, so many different players have a situation where, you know, they're not playing or they want to play or the teammate lied to him.

It happens all the time. That's part of the business. I think he goes in there like a pro, like a vet, gets his money, you know, help his team out, plays hard, you know, and get some film. Let's be honest. Baker Mayfield hasn't been playing well at all. So I think he goes in there and change the narrative a little bit, plays well, has some good games, get some wins, right?

And then we have another shot at another team. Yeah. I want to ask you about another player, Kyler Murray. Kyler wants to be paid now. And Arizona, because he's been injured back-to-back years, would rather wait another year. My argument is, in life, if you want something, buy it. Generally speaking, prices go up, whether it's a stock, a house, a car, an athlete.

If you like something, just buy it. If you were Kyler Murray, though, and you got kind of called out publicly by the organization, you have been hurt twice. He is a smaller athlete. Let's be honest. He is. Josh Allen, would you hold out? I wouldn't hold out.

I think at that position, as the quarterbacks, they take a good job with their quarterbacks, I think, with paying him. He may have to wait an extra year, but he'll get that big $100 plus-sum dollar contract. I think he should play through it. I didn't like the way he handled the contract situation. That was different than most quarterbacks, right? But I think he's a guy for the franchise. He has one more year to prove it.

You know, we had some up and down times, I think. And we all know he's pretty good. I just, that's the wait. Just wait it out, man. And he'll get that, I think he's in that top 10, you know, six to 10 more. Yeah. Because I think the top guy's like 50 million, et cetera, 45. So I think he'd be around that 40 plus.

He'll be good, man. This wait, wait, wait's your turn, you'll get the money. Yeah. You have history with the Eagles. They went out and got A.J. Brown. My takeaway on Jalen Hertz is, because the world is, changed and all these high school quarterbacks now. By the time they're in 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th grade, they're in these camps.

These kids have thrown 10,000 passes by the time they're a freshman in high school. So I am less, Shady, I'm a less patient. It used to be you get two full years. Give me to Thanksgiving in your third year. Now I'm like, I'm going to give you about 22 starts, 20 starts. If I don't see it, I don't see it. So with Jalen Hertz, nobody really knows yet. How long do you give him?

I'm out on Daniel Jones. I'm out. I said last year, give me to Thanksgiving. I'm done. How long do you give Jalen Hertz before you make a determination privately as a franchise? We're staying, we're going.

I think with Nick Seriani is a pretty good coach, man. He knows how to develop his players, especially his offensive players. It's a tough one. I think that Howie Roseman, the GM is doing a great job of putting these guys together. They got a nice young core, man. And I think he can get it done with this type of

offense, what type of skill set? You're bringing AJ Brown. He's like that, he's that type of wide receiver, man. He doesn't need the perfect ball. Right. No, Tannenham at times wasn't perfect. And I think you get a wide receiver like him, man, where a ball, 50-50 ball he can bring down.

You know, a low ball, he could catch it. And he can run after the catch. So you bring all these different players, man, DeBonte Smith, another young stud. It makes the job easier for the quarterback. So the biggest question in Philadelphia, it's not James Hart. I think it is.

Jalen hurts. So he's on that book. He's young. This third year should tell us all. I'm believing in him, but he got to make me a full believer, right? So we'll see. Yeah. That NIL stuff is crazy.

Do you, if you had a son that was a great player, maybe you... I love it, though. I do love it. Okay, let's say your son's a great player. And one program, you don't love the program, but they offer him a million dollars. Another program's great, and they offer him $100,000. But you like the coach. and you think it's better for the kid?

Do you worry, I mean, what do you do if you're a dad? You don't necessarily love the coach of the program, but they're offering $2.5 million. The other program is not giving any money. What do you do? Yeah, so I think that's the thing of just, okay, let's look at everything, right? The pros and cons. So what I would do with my son is, first of all, we got to get paid.

Not getting paid is out. That's out the question. We got to get paid. So let's say a team, like, I don't know, Pittsburgh is offered $500,000, right? Alabama's offering a million dollars. You just got to go through every team. And I think it's a matter of how much I'm going to play, how good is the team, the guys around me,

the competition I'm going against, and at the end of the day is the payday. If I get all them things, because I wouldn't argue about, I don't know, 500,000 more or 300,000 more, or maybe a million dollars more, because I know the ultimate goal is the big payday, and that's on Sundays,

but I definitely would get my money now. I definitely would do that. Yeah. All right, Lashon McCoy, great talking to you again, man. It's always good. It's always good. Thanks, ma'am. Yeah, I've thought about that.

What would I do? But again, it's different. So, LaShawn's made good money in this life. So, you know, for him, the difference between, you know, an extra $3,000 or $400,000 is not a deal breaker. But for a lot of parents, you put in that time years and years, you've got kids, you know, you regular people. I get it. A million dollars is still a million dollars. It's a lot of money.

It's very easy. for everybody to talk about what they would do. No one's offering you a million dollars. So that's a lot of money. That's a lot of money. Even in California. A million dollars is a million dollars anywhere. A million dollars doesn't become a lot of million,

a lot when you've already made a million dollars. When you're a coach that's making $9 million a year, I love people talking about what they would do. Okay. Sure. Joy Taylor with the news. No. No.

This is the herd line news. The thing it tries me the most crazy is, if there were anything other than athletes, we would be singing the praises of how intelligent they were. Look at this bright young person who, upon the age of 18, has set themselves up from their future for success, making a million dollars right out of high school immediately for their talent, whether it be singing or playing the piano,

or painting canvases, building houses, whatever it is they did, we would be thrilled at their entrepreneurial spirit. But because they're athletes, it's like, well, I can't handle money. They don't know what they're doing. You've got to protect these kids. They're going to spend it all on shiny diamonds. Also, who are you to tell an adult, whether they're 18 or 74, what to do with their money? Yeah. Very good points. Maybe they want to go by Chanel. Good for them. They earned it. I'd like, I'd like a handbag, to be honest. house with you. You never had one, Chanel bag. I'd like one. Very nice. The Dolphins made a lot of moves to improve this offseason. They brought in a new offensive coach, revamped their offense. Obviously,

Tyree kill being the key piece of that. And GM Chris Greer said even the players on the defensive side of the ball can see a difference. I think the whole offensive side of the ball. I mean, it's been fun watching these guys, how they bought it and listened to Mike and believing in watching the practice. And even the defensive guys were about a week ago, we're saying they could not believe the transformation on offense and how these guys are doing. So to his confidence, I think is high Mike in the relationship and the belief in him. So he's very, very excited. And he's had a good offseason so far.

If this was any team other than the dolphins, I would be very, very, very high on them. But because it's the dolphins, I remain cautiously. Now, Joy, I will say this. Let me, let me defend the dolphins. They're rarely a tire fire. They're always kind of around. to 500. It feels like in the last 10 years. Now, I don't love

the culture, but very rarely are the dolphins. They've always given the Patriots trouble. Yeah. I mean, they win games. They're just... No, it's not, they're not Cleveland's. No, God, or Detroit, or Washington. They're always kind of viable.

I remember a couple years ago at home when the Steelers went down there and they were all barfing and Miami just boat racing? South Beach flu is undefeated. It's a great place. to be playing at home. There's a notable advantage to playing in Miami. I have seen them beat Super Bowl champs.

I saw them beat the Rams a couple years ago, the Patriots, the Steelers. It's not that I think that they are a dumpster fire. It's just that the expectations are ridiculous. The fans down there are zany. And there always seems to be a way that the bag gets fumbled. But on paper, they are doing the right things. Offensively, they've got tremendous personnel.

Teddy Bridgewater, Tyreek Hill, Cedric Wilson, Trent Sherfield, Chase Edmund, Sonny Michelle, Rahim Mostert, Alexe, Arnizthead, Connor Williams. Toronto Armstrongsndes. Mike Yoseki is coming back. Top five left tackle and football. Gaseki's great.

I love all of the moves. All I'm saying is, me personally, I'm not putting any expectations in the situation. Just want to sit back and watch and see how it all plays out. That's all I'm saying. I could get excited about all this. and I think Dolphins fans should because this on paper has been a great offseason for the dolphins. Now, how the division's going to play out, I think I have it with, I agree with you.

I think the bills obviously are still the top dog. I do think the Dolphins have passed the Patriots because their offseason was nonsense. And I don't know, I have no expectations of the Jets. The Cowboys and the Patriots today are significantly less dynamic than they were a year ago. Yes. That's not arguable. Miami is significantly more. dynamic than a year ago.

I give the Patriots respect because of Bill Balashek. Other than that, I don't like the personnel. Yeah, I don't know what it's going on there. Russell Wilson could be joining some very exclusive company this season. There's only two teams he has not beaten during his career. The Chargers and obviously the Seahawks. So he gets a face both in 2022. He'll be, if he gets those wins, he'll be just the fifth quarterback in NFL history

to beat every team in the league. He would also be the youngest quarterback to beat all 32 teams. they play the Seahawks do the Broncos in week one in the petty Super Bowl and obviously the Chargers in week six and week 18. So this is entirely possible. I do think that the Broncos will win week one against Seattle. I do think smart that the league put that as week one because if they had played later in the season when the Seahawks were, I predict will not be playing very well. It won't be as exciting.

So at least it's week one. I'm so excited. You know, Russell plays the Chargers here at Sofa. I think I'm going to go to that game. I'm going to get a field pass. And just wave to them. You should. You're basically a part of the Chargers personnel. And you love Russell Wilson.

And Sierra loves me as well. Not that way, but maybe. And then I'll just wave. Sierra's on the cover of Sports Illustrated. Who is? Sierra. This week. Well, no, like the Sports Illustrated swim issue.

She's on the cover. She looks great. I mean, obviously, she's one of the most beautiful people on the planet. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, and Brett Farb are the quarterbacks who have beaten all 32 teams. Okay. I, I, the Broncos should have Super Bowl expectations. this year.

But the one hiccup with the Matthew Stafford, Tom Brady plan of winning a Super Bowl in year one is they have a new coach. So he's not walking into it. Are you looking up Sierra right now?

Oh my gosh. I mean, what, what? What would I expect anything else? Yeah, she looks amazing. She looks great. Anyway, back to journalism. Yeah. I mean, that is journalism.

So Tom Brady has stayed busy this offseason after retiring and unretiring just six weeks later. and then announcing that he will be joining us as our co-worker here at Fox eventually on his actual retirement. Chairs are open. Right here.

Netflix announced that Brady is set to feature in and executive produce the first of the greatest roast of all time. It's a series and it's set to tape in 2023. And he's doing a lot of media stuff now. He also has the, he's going to star and produce in the feature film 80 for Brady, Jane Fonda, Lily Tomlin, Valley Field and Rita Moreno. Rita Moreno looks great.

Yes, I knew you were going to say that. Helen Mirren and Rita Moreno, nobody's age better in America than those two. You know who else is on the cover of Sports Illustrated Swam is Elon Musk's mom, May Musk, who is 74 years old. She looks incredible. May Musk? Yes.

It sounds like a perfume. May Musk, here, hold on. This rose thing is interesting. Tom Brady obviously has come out of his Patriot Shell a lot since he's God, what a beautiful lady she is. Well, she's been a model for like 50 years. Wow. Yes.

Boy, she is striking. All right. Where were you out in the show? This is not helping. Well, it's not helping the TV audience either. We didn't have the pictures ready. Sorry, sorry. Would you ever do a roast?

I'm not, no. Listen, Jeffrey Ross is really funny. He's the funniest guy ever. Jeffrey Ross, Bill Burr, there's a handful of comedians that are very funny. And I would be totally uncomfortable. Telling the jokes or receiving them. I did a roast once. Not of me. That I will never do.

Yeah. It's just, I don't like, I told you, I can't watch Jeopardy because I feel bad for the contestants that are losing. The awkward. But roast rarely get awkward, though. Like, generally the person who's being roasted knows what they signed up for. Kind of, yeah. No longer. I'm Brady. All right. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

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His name is Alan Shipnuck. partner in the fire pit collective, a golf media company that's going places. He's been the author of eight books. He's got a new one, and this is going to sell, and I can't wait to read it. It's called Phil, the rip-roaring and unauthorized biography of golf's most colorful superstar. So first, let's start with Tiger Woods. Alan's joining us. Let's get this off.

Tiger just finished his round. Alan, where is he at? How far back? He's pretty far back. But more concerning than a mediocre score is that he was really struggling physically. Like his limp was very pronounced, and he just couldn't swing the club effectively. I mean, he basically hit a cold shank off the 15th T, had some other hazel-adjacent-looking shots. Like, he just, it was hard to watch.

That's how he was, you know, Sunday at the Masters after a long tournament week. You just see his body wearing down. It's very concerning that he's struggling this much on, first day of competition. So I don't think there's any doubt that Tiger's telling us how to play the game. When he saw some magic in his hands, it's always going to be a question of if his body will let him deliver the club face to the back of the ball. And today the answer was not really.

So a little bit of a buzzkill here. It just doesn't look like Tigers can be able to perform this week. So Phil Michaels has always been a captivating guy. Legendary, you broke the story on 40 million in gambling debts. He was a legendary sports gambler, NFL gambler. you discovered that, were even you shocked. You're not shocked by much. You know that the dark secrets of the tour. Alan, were you shocked when you reported that? Yes and no. I'd heard so many things leading up to that, you know, discovery. And if you go through the court papers on some

of these things, you know, it'd Phil and it owed Billy Walters millions of dollars. That was all in public documents. It was this, this shady dude in San Diego who wound up going down the river for money laundering and wire fraud and Phil got mixed up in that. The number cited there was $2.75 million. And so it's always been in the air. And anecdotally, as I was talking to other people about Phil's betting, like he swims in very deep waters. So I knew there was going to be,

there was going to be some big numbers. But $40 million across four years is substantial. And it's definitely makes you ask the question, you know, what do we not know? Right. And that's been throughout this whole Saudi seduction with Phil, what's been so quizzical to so many people is why does he need the money? I mean, second all time on the PGA Tour money list with almost $100 million. We know he's made four or five or six or eight times that in endorsements.

But it's not what he's made is what he's held on to. And it's possible that this whole dalliance with the Saudis is really more out of necessity than we could have imagined. So it's definitely, there's always been a low roar that's followed Phil and the gambling. and I don't have the whole story. I didn't have forensic access to his books, but I got enough snapshots to you can see it. It's a pretty substantial part of his life. You know, Alan, Alan Shipmunk joining us.

Phil's always been a guy that likable, you know, funny on Instagram or, you know, he's got, he's likably cocky. Then the Saudi story came out where he called the PGA a dictatorship, and despite their horrible huge. rights track record backed the idea of a Saudi league money over everything else. I mean, I read it and I instantly thought, okay, he's a public figure for 30 years. He just stepped in it. This is bad.

But when he was telling you that, he claimed it was off the record. You fired back that it wasn't. When he said it in the moment when he was telling you that, were you surprised that he went there? Because it's fairly shallow, putting, you know, if you look at what he said, it's gross. I was a little bit surprised, but it didn't have such a walk. all up on me because it seemed obvious that Phil was working both sides of the street. And he was engaged in these secret negotiations with Saudi Arabia.

Everybody knew that. We just didn't know the extent. But he was pretty openly courting the Saudi money and he was recruiting players on the slide. And it was quite obvious to folks in the game that Phil was really enmeshed with them. You know, he said the quiet parts out loud. That was the surprising thing. Yeah.

That he, you know, and he was so callous in acknowledging. and then dismissing the atrocities of Saudi Arabia. We know they're bad actors on the world stage. And so those words had an impact. But something I think has been lost a little bit is the reason he was put on ice by the tour. And whether you call it a suspension or leave of absence, it's clear that the tour told him to go away for a while. Yeah.

It was not so much the words. It was the deeds, which was what Phil telling me quite clearly that he had helped the Saudis get this league organized. And he was almost serving as a de facto commissioner in helping to oversee the writing of the operating agreement. So it would be most advantageous for the players. And at that point, he's not just a passive observer who might collect some of the money. Like he's really actively undermining the interest of the PGA tour in a substantial way. And that's why he thought he was sent into exile.

It wasn't because of human rights concerns or because of morality. It was about the money. Because if this Saudi League succeeds and Phil helps launch it and it starts siphoning away TV contracts and big-time sponsors, that's money that's not flowing to the PGA tour. And he's threatening the economic livelihood of his colleagues. That's why they were upset with him. So the words have got a lot of attention, but it's more about the backroom dealing that is what got Phil in trouble with the tour and his colleagues. So he withdrew from the Masters.

He's withdrawn from the PGA championship. You know, for years and years when Tiger was polarizing, he was making people a lot of money, and he had some real allies on the tour. Marco Mira, if I recall, was a real big, he was a big Tiger ally. And a lot of guys liked him privately because he was making a lot of people money. The purses were getting jacked up. Does Phil have anybody on the tour that he's really close to that is privately backing him? Well, the silence from the other tour players has really spoken volumes.

Nobody rushed to defend Phil, and it was quite the opposite. up to go after him. And, you know, in talking to this long-time tour player, you know, what he said, which rings so true is that Tiger never made himself bigger than the tour. Even when he was the most famous athlete in the world, he was always loyal to the tour and he put money in my pocket. And Phil tried to make himself bigger than a tour, and he was trying to take money out of my pocket.

And that was the original sin for Phil's colleague. So, but yeah, to answer your question, I mean, Tiger's always had a tight circle and you know who his friends are. Yes. And I asked a lot of people in the game, who are Phil's friends? And people struggle to come up with that answer. He's kind of this shapeshifter who bounces from group to group. And he'll kind of wear out his welcome and he'll find another crew.

And he has some old friendships from college and other parts of his life. But out on tour, Phil does not have that community. He doesn't have the super loyal wingman the way that Tiger did. And I think that's been felt throughout this controversy. Nobody was there to back up Phil. and for him to lean on. So it definitely is revealing of how he's lived his life and maybe some of the shallow ties he has with it, the fellow players.

Alan Shipnuck, the book is called, we'll put it up there again, Phil, the rip-roaring and unauthorized biography of Gull's most colorful superstar. A couple minutes left. One more question. I mean, what's his future? Has he signed up, isn't he signed up for a few events down the road right now? Well, he's asked for permission.

He hasn't quite committed to playing in them, but Phil is a real crossroads professionally and personally. And there's certainly a way back for him. Tiger Woods has put the game that his fans and his family through a lot worse than Phil Mickelson ever has. And he's never been more beloved. You know, we are forgiving people. And sports fans love a comeback and a redemption story.

So there's no doubt Phil could come back and be this beloved elder statesman again. But he has to have a little contrition, a little humility. Sure. But the key is he can't go all in with the same. Saudis, if he does that, it's going to be very hard for people to forgive him because we know what he thinks about them. And if he takes all those concerns and shoves him aside just so we can he can have this dirty money, it's going to affect his legacy. And on the other hand, he might need that money in a way that we couldn't have imagined. So there's a real tension there. And

then, you know, fills this very strident, kind of self-righteous personality. And he needs to be right. He needs to be vindicated. So if he walks away from the Saudis, it almost looks like a political defeat as well. So there's a lot of things at play here. And that's really why I believe Phil is not at this championship. It's because he just needed more time to see how the ground is going to stop shifting beneath his feet and figure all the stuff out because this is a defining choice for him. And this last act of his career, which way he goes? Does he come back to tour or does it go all in with the Saudis? It's going to define how he's thought about by many golf fans. He's just walking on a knife's edge right now, and it's a huge decision for him.

Yeah, we usually love our favorite golfers at the end. Arnie and Jack, we, as you mentioned, Tiger is so vulnerable now that everybody, even the Tiger critics are now rooting for him because he's shown vulnerability, and to your point, contrition and vulnerability and humility probably helps fill here. Alan Shipnuck, put the buck up again. Great journalist. I got to get your publisher to send me one of these. I don't ask for free stuff much. Alan, but I can't wait to read this thing. We won't make that happen. All right.

Good luck to you, Alan. And by the way, just 10 seconds here. Who leads the tournament right now? At this exact moment, it's won Rory McElroy. Oh. Great start for him. Huge opportunity. Yeah, he really ripped Phil, by the way, when that stuff came out.

He clobbered Phil. All right, Alan, great stuff. Thank you so much. All right, thanks for having me. You bet. Rory McElroy, you know, for years. In years, everybody said, oh, this guy's going to be the next tiger, the next tiger. And I always said, it's a meteor.

You get one tiger. But I thought McElroy was going to be the one. That's the one I totally bought into. He was cut like tiger. He was likeably confident. He played globally, like overseas. I thought, and you know, it's funny is golf started paying so much. He just didn't want to play all those tournaments.

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