The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - College Football Playoff Bracket

Episode Date: December 9, 2024

Joel Klatt joins The Herd to talk about the College Football Playoff bracket and what might need to be changed going forward  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Joel with this. Generally speaking, if you have the best regular season, Oregon, and the best conference championship performance Oregon, your reward shouldn't be potentially Ohio, State, Texas, and Georgia. I just

look at that and I think, how does Penn State get grooved into their path? And how does Oregon get there? That's my first complaint that Oregon got a bit hosed. Am I wrong? No, you're not wrong. Can you imagine if the Kansas City Chiefs had to face the hardest road to get to the Super Bowl after getting the one seed? We don't do that because that's ridiculous.

But in college football, we still do it. There's so much to get into, column, that all ties together with this sentiment. So you're just bringing up Oregon. And yes, you can talk about their path and how, you know, if you look at the top four teams as far as oddmakers go, in terms of winning the national championship are Oregon, Ohio State, Georgia, and Texas. What's the path for Oregon? Those teams, which is asinine, in particular in a sport that desperately wants to retain the value of its regular season. Yes.

Because the value of its regular season is unique. And they've totally blown that. Okay, so a bunch of things that I want to get into here, and I'm going to try to do them quickly, Colin. But first and foremost, you have to understand that modern college football and vintage college football are like oil and water. What is old in this sport and what is new in this sport do not mix. It's new wine and old wine skins, for those of you biblical scholars out there. Like, it doesn't work. The bowl system and the playoff system doesn't really work together.

Mega conferences and eight conference game schedules don't really mix together. A balanced power five that is given a similar revenue share from the television networks is the old system. Now we've got two mega conferences that are getting the line share of the television network money. That doesn't really mix when then you're trying to create this equal footing in a playoff. Okay, so that's what's old and what's new. And what's the problem with this is that the people who built this system, this 12-team playoff, or the same people that built the bowl alliance, the same people that built the BCS,

or the same people that gave us the four-team playoff, and now they're the same people that gave us the 12-team play-off. And what they've been trying to do is renovate old structures. But what I just told you is absolutely correct. What is old and what is new in this sport do not mix. This needed to be a tear-down and not a renovation. And they gave us a renovation with some paint over there and didn't really even remodel the kitchen.

Here's why I come to that conclusion is because the reason that they gave the four-bys to conference champions is because they were trying to placate self-interest within college football, which is what we do all the time. So the commissioners of the ACC and the Big 12 and all these other conferences are like, we're not going to go along with this, with this renovation, unless we have a buy in the first round for our champion. And so the Big Ten and the SEC are like, fine. In order to get the 12-te-play-off, we will placate you.

So the structure of this system was flawed from the get-go because it was trying to retain the value of the conference championship game, because that value is very high to each one of those conferences in terms of a revenue distribution from the television network. So now you fast forward. So now the flaw is in the construction of this thing, and now the committee is trying to place people inside of a flawed structure. And yet they doubled down on the exact thing that didn't work

in the construction of the entire playoff, which was they tried to overvalue conference championship games. So we go back to the exact same point. It's the one little needle that threads all this together. So this committee overvalues the conference championship games, and they put an artificial floor below teams that played in those games, Texas, Penn State, SMU. Once you put an artificial floor there, here's what happens,

is that the better resumes and better teams get artificially shoved down the bracket and down the seating, which then in turn hurts the very team that you were trying to reward in the first place, was Oregon. So now Oregon is sitting there with a potential second round game against, let's just call it favored Florida State, or excuse me, Ohio State, their favorite against Tennessee. Let's say they win. They've got to play Ohio State. And yet, when you look at the resume and the quality of the teams between Ohio State, Notre Dame, Texas, and Penn State, Ohio State's the best resume of all of those. So in the exact manipulation of trying to save conference championship

games, you actually ruined them. This is what they don't understand is that there is a cost to these artificial manipulations of construction. And when you try to do things that are not a meritocracy, this is what you get. And it ends

up being an unfair burden on the top, which is Oregon, which had the best regular season of anybody in the sport, had the best conference championship game of anybody in the sport, and now you gave them the toughest path of any of the four teams, that got to buy.

And they did that because of an artificial, artificial floor put on those conference championship games. And that's how we get here. Okay. Let me talk about, let's just get to the point. Like, people want to talk about games here. So let's talk about this. Ohio State's at home, as a favorite, they're wobbling. Their O lines, a bit of a mess.

And Tennessee's defensive front is stout. I look at that game. And I'm like, Ohio State, that is the worst team. I mean, at least, I mean, Penn State played two good teams. They lost to both, including one at Happy Valley. Ohio State's got some impressive wins. Even their loss at Otson, that's about as good as you can, that's about the best loss of the year in college football.

I mean, when Texas lost to Georgia at home, that was a bad loss. They got pushed around. Losing in the last play at Otson to do a great team, a great loss. Ohio State, to me, it's going to be lousy weather. That hurts their great wide receiving core. It's going to be 38, cold and wet. I think that's a bad matchup for the Buckeyes, Joel.

You've seen a lot of Ohio State. I don't like that game for Ohio State. Do you? I completely agree with you. If you look at the games in which they struggled, namely on the offensive side, you would point to the Nebraska game and you would point to the Michigan game.

And the thing that Nebraska and Michigan had is they were very stout in the interior of their defensive line. And that's the whole deal. And the team that was committed to run into football on the opposite side. So, you know, those two teams had terrible. Offenses and Ohio State survived against Nebraska with a fourth down goal line stand with their defense and didn't survive against Michigan. So this is not a great matchup for Ohio State, not in the least. What we haven't seen is that Chip Kelly and Ryan Day have not leaned totally into being like,

hey, we're going to just go do what we did against Georgia two years ago, and we're just going to sling it around and use our talent on the outside. We have not seen them do that. Chip was incredibly stubborn against Michigan, and I'm wondering if he's going to open it up against Tennessee. Yeah, my question is, can you, and it's 37 degrees in windy. That's much easier down at the Sugar Bowl or somewhere in Atlanta. Okay, here's the other one. At one point, I've been burned so... I've got to put on SPF 50 when I talk Texas football

because I've been burned my whole life by them. It's insane. 19 penalties twice against Georgia. I got to be honest. I didn't like the play calling by Texas in overtime, Joel. A fade route. Out of the end zone. Then you throw it in the flat against the most athletic team in the sport.

Like, those plays aren't going to work. Some of this is on, it's on Sark a little bit. I didn't like the play calling in overtime. Did you? No, I didn't. It was the same type of play calling. We got late against Washington last year, right? Like, the fade routes, I just don't like much fade routes,

unless you tell me that you're a great back-shoulder fade team. And you have the option where you're legitimately going to read. it. And if your wide receiver wins on top, then you can throw that down the field throw. Or if he's not going to win and be on top, you can hit it on the back shoulder. Indiana is great at that. So when you go to the one-on-one matchup and you're great at reading the back shoulder, that's one thing. But Quinn yours is not very good at that. He throws with touch all the time. He floats the football. And time and time again, they go to these fade routes. And it's got to be maddening for Texas fans. And here's one thing that I'll just say. I'm surprised.

we haven't seen more arch. Same. Same. Your lack of mobility, Colin, is hurting them. And if you don't have mobility, you better be able to throw guys open and you better be able to manipulate the game from the pocket in a way that gives you an advantage.

And when I watch Texas, yours lack of mobility is actually, it's a hindrance to the way they call plays because they have to call plays to get guys open for him because he rarely throws guys open, if that makes sense. Like, you're not seeing him drive the football and then layer the football and then throw with touch.

He doesn't change pace very often. Whereas with Arch, you might not get as seasoned of a passer. Okay, that's fine. But he does have a stronger arm. He can drive the football in tight spaces, and he's much more athletic. And there are times, in particular against Georgia, when it becomes tough, and you can't just scheme somebody wide open, Texas stalls out. and then they resort to these one-on-one-one fade throws,

and it doesn't work. It doesn't work. And I will tell you why I'm concerned for Texas, and maybe even Georgia as well, I believe to win this playoff at some point along the way, you're going to have to do what Oregon just did against Penn State, which is get into a shootout and win, and look across the field and say,

no one's going to stop us today. We've seen it from the Georgia's and the Clemsons and the Alabama's throughout the playoff history. We've seen it from Michigan in order to win the playoff. at some point you're going to have to go out there and say you won't stop us in this half of football and i don't know if either of those teams can do that yeah yeah i i said this earlier these s cc and i listen it's a great conference but i would argue this year oh ohio state penn state and oregon are absolutely as good as the top three in the sce i mean Oregon's

offense is better than anything in the cc and i think pen states just how fast they look Saturday night, like just how fast. Everybody on the outside, it's like, Ted Johnson gets the ball and you're like, whoa. How about this? Show the bracket again. Think about this. If you asked James Franklin, put the bracket up.

If you said, hey, we're going to leave this open, Penn State. Where would you want to be? They'd be like, hey, can we be at home against SMU and then they get Boise State? That's what they want to pick. 100%. 100%. If you offered them a trade, closed doors, no one would ever know it. And you said, like, hey, James Franklin, would you trade with Oregon right now?

Would you, I'll give you the Big Ten championship game. You go to the one seed. You'll get the winner of Tennessee, Ohio State, and Oregon's got to go play SMU and Oxton. So you'll get a buy all of that. I guarantee you James Franklin would say absolutely not. The path to the semifinal in this playoff is much cleaner for Penn State than it is for Oregon. Now, Oregon, to their credit, and here's the thing that I do love about Dan Lannning. And I think you'll love it as well, Colin.

He's not going to complain about this. We're not going to hear him gripe about this. Like we do countless, you know, endlessly from other coaches around the country. Dan Landing is going to say, like, order the buses and let's go. And then once we get into that stadium, lock the gates behind us. And that's why I love Dan Landing. That's his mentality. You know, one thing.

But behind closed doors, if you offered Penn State a trade, there's no way they would trade with Oregon. One thing Oregon has a little bit is that Tennessee, Ohio State could be such a cold weather, fist fight. It could be so physical that the team could, the winner of that game could come out of that thing, exhausted, limping, banged up, and emotionally spent. I mean, Ohio State could come out of that game at home, winning 1714 and still not sure what their offense is, and Oregon's sitting there thinking, well, we've had two weeks to prepare for this. That is the one thing Oregon

gets is that game in front. I mean, if Tennessee, Ohio State, if you would have said they end up playing for the national championship, I wouldn't have been shocked. That is in, I mean, so to me, that thing is going to look like the national championship, and that means it's going to feel like it in Columbus, and that's a little break for Oregon. That's such an emotional game, but I think we both think they got host. Oh, by the way, somebody told me that Dion Sanders doesn't make house visits,

and that Belichick doesn't have to if he hires three or four elite recruiters. He's a rock star like Dion. Players will want to come to him. Do you think Belichick possibly could work at UNC? That's a great question. I don't see why not. And remember, college football is becoming more about roster construction than it is recruiting. Look at Indiana.

Yeah. True. You know, so it's, I think it's being weighted more towards our sport at this level is wading more towards. Because you can't just accumulate five stars like you used to. You might get them in high school recruiting. You're not going to keep them because they're not going to sit there as backups. They're just going to transfer. Their mobility and autonomy to move is too great.

And so you're not going to just sit there and accumulate talent. So what you have to do is be able to evaluate well and then build a roster. And then the other part of this is as parity comes in, coaching and on field coaching is becoming more and more valuable. So I will tell you this, five years ago, I would have scoffed at this and said, this feels like a publicity stunt. Today, I look at that and I think to myself, that might be the exact type of guy that you would want. Now, you'd love if he was younger, but you talk about being able to evaluate talent, build a roster, and then coach in-game really well. I think those are the three things that head coaches are going to have to do better than anybody else to

succeed in the future. Hey, Joel Klapp made himself available for us today. He looks like he's a very swanky setup somewhere in an undisclosed location. What are you looking at? right now. A days in. I'm in a days in and Modesto. I bet you are. You know what? I think back to your, I agree with all that Mahomes stuff.

And I feel like Josh Allen. Every week I come on this show, I've got to have the cape on. Every week. You know what, though? You are compensated for that greatness. So that is the one thing. Our salary cap here, we don't got a lot of wiggle

room and I'll just leave it at that with a Klastor. Good seeing you. My man. That's great to see you, bud. Great to see you. He came in on late notice. He was flying today, and we called him, and he broke it down, and we love him for it. Joel Klatt, the voice of college football at here at Fox Sports.

Oregon got hosed. Ohio State's got to be going, didn't we beat Penn State at Appie Valley? Isn't that word that he'd think? I mean, nothing against Penn State. I think they're good, but they played Oregon and Ohio State. They lost to them both. I mean, they didn't go on the road for either one. One's neutral.

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cousins in those four, zero touchdowns, eight picks. Rahim Morris unbelievably says he's going to stick with his veteran quarterback. Everything is always discussed when you go watch the tape and do all those type of things. But like Kirk Cousins is out quarterback, we'll have the ability to go watch this tape just like we do every single week. You know, Kurt played significantly better than he did the week before. We got a chance to go out there and focus on us and get a chance to go out there and really work on what we do and what we do well, and we'll do whatever is best to go win football games, and Kurt's definitely a part of that.

So is this a sign maybe that Michael Pennix has not wowed them in practice? Is that possible? Well, I think, first of all, you don't want to overreact. Before this game, they led the division. So you don't want to do it jets and fire Robert Salon. I think they had to tie. Well, they had beaten Tampa twice.

So I think they're going to have big discussions this week. I would have started Kirk Cousins in that spot on the road. If you look at Atlanta's schedule, do they have a comfortable home game against an average defense? I can see them saying this may be a shootout. They look at film, we don't want Michael Pennix in a shootout dropping 45 times. I think this week they have to discuss it. So they are at the Raiders on Monday night football. Okay, so they get extra time to prepare against an average team.

Then they get the Giants, Washington and Carolina. I think you got to roll with Pennicks. I think you have to at this point. got, right? Yeah, I mean, again, this is about as good as it gets. Banged up Raiders, horrible giants that may be soft tanking. Now's the time to see if the kid can play. And with weapons. Is Rahim Morris in trouble if he sticks to his cousin, keeps cousins? You're sure. Yeah, Arthur Blank's not going to do. Dude, their season win total was amazing. You've been hyping this team for six, maybe eight months. I mean, Colin, it's falling apart pretty quickly. Well, the last good team

they beat. Oh, sorry, if you remove the two Tampa games, Kirk Cousins number, or like bottom of the barrel, like not even a top 20 quarterback in this league. I know. Remember, he's shredded Tampa twice. I only, I liked him, but even I said he's good until Thanksgiving next year. The next year's Panics his team. So I didn't see him like being a two-year starter. I said, he's going to start this year, kind of do a flacco Lamar Jackson.

And when all of a sudden you feel like he's lost his fastball, I thought it would take 20, 25 games, and it took 12. What's the market like if Cousins hits it? Not much of one. I don't mean. He's made so much of one. money. He's not going to back up. I think he retires. I think Kurt's going to hang it up. He's got a real life. That's a spicy. He's a family guy. He's going to retire. He's not going to be anybody's backup.

Who you take it next year? Kirk Cousins or James Winston? Draft somebody. Riley Leonard in the third room. Oh, stop it. All right. Here's a tough. Kirk Cousins or Drew Brees. Byrd, by the way, just announced fractured and Ann. Looks like he's probably done the show. Say it again, who? Sorry, Derek Carr. I don't know why I'm saying Drew Brees. Derek Carr or Kirk Cousins. Right now today? For next season. Probably Derek Carr. I think Kirk Cousins may retire.

I think there's a strong, I don't think he even wants to back up panics. I think it happened that quickly, huh? Yeah, I think it's not, I don't think he has an error, Aaron Rogers feel. He's made great money. He's got, you know, Aaron's single. He's got a family, kids. I think Kirk's got a big, broad life that he would move into. Tough way to go out for a pretty good quarterback.

Speaking of losing streets, next story, is the Arizona Cardinals. And you're a guy. Kailor Murray, Colin, we're going to have to have a discussion here about Kyler Marie. I mean, they got destroyed by the Steelers. Seahawks yesterday. It was not even close, and the Seahawks swept them this season. Kyler was awful in both games against Seattle. Arizona playoff odds dropped from 36% to 11.

Kyler did take responsibility for the loss. I feel like I let the team down today. Self-explanatory. You know, can't do that. It sucks. It sucks. Obviously, when you feel like you put yourself in this position, but at the end of the day, we got to show up again.

We got to show up. We got to show up. We got another home game next week. Put our best foot forward when it comes down to it. So there's some numbers out about man coverage and under pressure, and Kylo Marie folded twice against Seattle. Seattle's defense looked good again. Well, remember, the defensive coordinator for the Ravens became the Seahawks head coach.

Seattle's defense looks great, and Baltimore's is... Terrible. It's really lacking. So he's obviously an impactful coach. There's some, I don't, again, it's not a full season, but Marvin Harrison, Jr. has left a little something to be desired. He's gotten touchdown catches, but he's really inconsistent. Yeah. Is that a Kyler issue or a Marvin Harrison issue?

Who has looked better to you as a rookie? Malik Neighbors or Marvin Harrison? Well, Malik Neighbors has been banged up. I think he's been more electric when he's available. It's hard to judge Malik Neighbors, because the quarterback play is so bad with the Giants. How about this? Do you think that going maybe Brock Bowers over Harrison would have been smart?

But then you have McBride and Bowers. But two tight ends works. I mean, it worked for the Patriots. I think Harrison was a very good player. I wouldn't put all the blame on Harrison in Arizona. It may be some Kyler stuff. I just wonder what the future is. Like, you're not moving off Kyler.

Do you like this coach? The coaching staff a few weeks ago look good. There's a lot of questions all this. Everybody keeps getting fired in Arizona. Maybe it's the quarterback. Maybe it's the quarterback, yeah. Final story, Colin, is to Major League Baseball. Juan Soto is signing a 15-year, $765 billion deal with the Mets.

He moves from the Bronx to Queens landing the largest deal in pro sports history. The deal includes an opt-out after the fifth year and no deferred money. Remember Otani deferred like 90-something percent of his money. If Soto chooses to not opt-out his deal, will go up another $4 million per year, and the total could exceed $800 million. Well, Cohen's got so much money, he will be surrounded by good players. It's not going to be a Joe Maurer, the twin situation. He'll be surrounded by good players.

Cohen's the richest owner. He just made the Mets the most relevant maybe sports team in New York outside the Knicks. I mean, they're more relevant than the Yankees. Well, I will tell you this. I believe the NBA is in a little of trouble. I think Mark Cuban knew when to sell. I think baseball is going to have a renaissance. I think it's got its best players in the big cities.

I think baseball, both New York teams are good. Both Southern California teams of note, Padres and the Dodgers are good. Atlanta remains well-run. I think baseball, Philadelphia is excellent. I think baseball is in a really good spot going forward. Their stars are in the right markets. I don't want to hear anybody going after Jason Tatum's contract when you see this Soto deal.

I mean, come on. Yeah, but Soto's considered after O'Tonnie the best pure talent in the sport. Tatum's like the 13th best NBA player. Stop it. He's top five. $765 million? Well, it's a high. Baseball's got a hundred, sixty-two games minimum.

He's driving a lot of people to the ballpark. You're not going to watch Soto and Lindor. I'm a Yankees fan, so no. I won't line. Listen, Yankee fans, you could have done it. You could have done it. Listen, it's an old. How about this? How about this?

I'll just throw this out there. Are the Mets with Cohen's money and two of the three best players and some momentum are they the new Yankees of New York? Hopefully not. I read an awesome article years ago about Cohen and the New Yorker. I'll put it on social media. The guy is really legendary the way he made his money. Did you ever watch the show Billions on Showtime? Yeah, of course, yeah.

That character, the main guy, Axe, was a lot heavily based on Cohen because he would like, you know, skirt around around the edges and do some stuff, shall we say. He's got a great history. I got to give him, listen, if you got more money than you could spend, why not? What's a big deal? Like you said, the Pittsburgh Pirates owner. They're the eight best players in baseball. You can put him in any order you want. Otani, Betts, Harper, Linderor, Soto, Joe.

Judge. They're all in three markets. That's what I'm saying. Now the kid, Ronald O'Cunia and Atlanta's up there. I also think Freddie Freeman has got to be somewhere up there. Former Brave Now a Dodger. But if I get eight or nine the best players and they get to be in a great organization in the biggest market in the South, L.A.

And then San Diego, by the way, plays big for a smaller market because they don't have an NFL team. So they got Machado, Tateas. I mean, so you got like eight teams that matter basically. No, I mean, if I said the 10 best players in baseball, they're on like five teams, I'm okay with it. Southern California teams, New York teams in Atlanta. Cubs and White Sox combined have nobody, do they have any good players at all? Baseball in Chicago, they're just punting on it.

That's a big market. Do I sound like a coastal elite? A little bit? Just a tad. J-Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News.

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Rams need to win. But it is interesting. When a team plays a perfect football game, I thought, the Rams played a perfect football game yesterday. I even got a block pun. That's as well as the Rams have played since the Super Bowl run. They were, everything was electric. And Buffalo, actually, their, you know, their offense was fine.

Their defense was just in the back end was terrible. And again, this is what happens when you, coaching becomes more important in the NFL, when you pay your quarterback $450 million, then it gets down to coaching because your margin shrink. and the better coaches win the close games. And you're Sean Payton and your Andy Reid, so Buffalo's paying the quarterback, so your margins get very, very tight. Very rarely am I shocked, but the Rams' ease of moving the football was insane. It looked like a passing drill. It was a summer 7-on-7 camp.

And Josh Allen's the only thing that kept Buffalo in that thing, Matt Hasselbeck this morning, on what he saw from Josh. unfortunately for Josh Allen he just was born at the wrong time i mean Josh allan to me is the MVP this year he's uh he's absolutely incredible a ton of fun to watch but when you're playing in the a FC and you're playing in a tight game um certain teams know how to finish and they just know that they're going to do it and other teams are struggling to learn how to do it i thought last night buffalo had an opportunity but um they made a couple calculated mistakes that that ended up costing them the game now They'll learn from that and they'll be better for it.

But when you talk about Kansas City, they're just a team that has those intangibles and other people besides just the quarterback who can rise above. You know, it's funny, and you talk about quarterback talent. I'm not talking about productivity, just raw talent. I think Josh Allen's the most talented quarterback I've ever seen. I think Dan Marino and John Elway are special. I think Mahomes and Brett Farv, kind of the top five. raw talent. Now, Lamar Jackson's hard because he's not in the pocket at that level,

but he's better at the other stuff. I always thought Farr was a better raw talent than Aaron Rogers, but Aaron was more efficient. I thought Aaron was better pre-snap. And there was just sort of a leadership, kind of an alpha to Fav that is, but just in terms of talent. I'm talking arm strength, mobility, playmaking, toughness, leadership, relentlessness, focus. I would say Josh Allen, Marino Elway, Mahomes, Farrv, Peyton Manning's way up there, didn't move very well. And yet, you know, we always say, well, where's Brady? I'm just talking horsepower throwing it. Now mechanically, if you're talking the mechanics of quarterback, Brady's the best ever.

I mean, his throwing motion, his torque, his ability to throw a clean ball in a crappy weather. Brady's separated from people pre-snap. Tom's probably the best ever with Manning. Mechanics, he's the best ever. Ability to rise to the moment. Joe Montana and Brady are just like nobody have ever seen. I think the most underrated quarterbacks in my life are Roger Staubach for the Cowboys and Steve Young. And I would put Lamar in the Roger Staubach.

Steve Young category where Kaman as a runner, developed as a passer, and they're all-time greats. But Alan does stuff that, I mean, it's I mean, here's the thing. There are real holes in Buffalo's defense. Rams' defense up front is good. Young.

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