The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 3 - College, grades

Episode Date: May 2, 2022

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Also, on that Jordan Addison thing, he's this receiver that's going to go to USC, they presume. He may go to Texas, but his bidding number is up to like 3 million now. People are saying, is this what we wanted with the NIL? No, but this is the reality of it. By the way, the intention of Twitter may not be the reality of Twitter and sort of its social dysfunction at times, but that is the reality of it. And so you move off. But when you create a company or legislation, there are unintended benefits and unintended consequences. Correct.

So, you know, a lot of the do-gooters in the media were just pay the players, let him transfer. And I was like, okay, okay, let's, now the NCAA so poorly run that they couldn't see this avalanche coming. But you got to have guardrails on everything. Your kids, schools, businesses, everything. Even pro leagues have guardrails on free agency and moving around and trading deadlines. But people say, is this how it was intended? No, probably not. But it is now the reality.

I think it's a very brief window until the NCAA corrects it. And in this brief window, it is a wild, wild west situation. It's a grab bag, get the best quarterbacks, wide receivers. Not all players are going for this. But if you watch the NFL and you watch college, quarterbacks and wide receivers, that's the game today. Well, what I don't understand is why there needs to be a limits on things. Like the far end of things, right, the spectrum swing is going to be extreme. Every wide receiver is not going to get offered $3 million in NIL money.

By the way, if they did, so what? Are you paying this money to them? No. So it's not coming out of your pocket. I understand that there's some disparities, some smaller schools might not be able to pay. Why would that player be going to that smaller school anyway? Before NIL existed, there was like this outrageous amount of parody in college football.

It's a joke. There's none. There's zero. So all this is going to do is maybe push it to an extreme. Or you're going to have some schools pop up that do have a big donor who are willing to throw some money at a prospect that wouldn't normally go there. Think about this. the only reason Oregon football is a top 10 program, and they are now, is Phil Knight. He basically, over the last 25 years, Phil Knight, who I know said, I want to be viable in football.

I'm going to build the best facilities, the best stadium. And that's the only reason. It's not because the state has any players or it had a rich history. Oregon is good for one reason. And Oklahoma State was good for one reason, the late T-Boon Pickens. A guy just bought success. But what is this? Why are you so outraged by it?

But to your point, this was an inevitable outcome. Yes. So if you chose to do no preparation, if you chose not to do any research, if you chose to prepare in no way for something that was inevitably going to happen, I have no sympathy for you. How long has the Internet been around? By the way, it's the same thing with sports gambling. So Clay Travis, and I used to talk about this all the time,

he had a company outkick the coverage. And we talked about this for several years. He bet that sports gambling would be legalized. And he's like, I know it's going to be legalized. I just don't know what decade. And so he built a company. So when it was legalized, somebody bought his company. So you bet on things all the time.

So all these like the fan duels of the world and the MGM sports and all this stuff. When all these fan duels came out, they did fantasy football initially, right? what they wanted was your email address because they were betting they didn't care about fantasy football when it was legalized to bet they would have this database of all draft kings fandle would have this massive so they were betting that sports was going to be legalized so it's not a shock that when the nil came to pass that some programs you know like nick sabins was ready for it and paid more than anybody. So folks, life is going to change. Be ready for it. Instead of complaining about it and whining about it, be prepared so when it does. Like Duke wasn't prepared for one and done. John

Calipari was. And so John Calipari got a four-year start on Duke because he embraced it. He leaned into it. And Kentucky won a national title. And then Mike Shishowski initially, I don't like, I don't like, and then he went, wait a minute, I'm getting beat by all these guys. And so, and Mike Shishavsky just embraced it, and I understood why guys didn't. It was like, I want kids to come to Duke for other reasons. But Mike Shoshowski would probably tell you today one of his big mistakes at Duke that obviously didn't hurt them much would have been I should have just embrace that. So Lincoln Riley and Nick Sabin, they don't like this current situation.

They do not like it. They have voiced their concerns. But successful people pivot quickly, even when they don't like stuff. If you don't like smoking pot and your state legalizes it, get used to it. There's going to be cannabis stores. up and down the street more than Starbucks. And so essentially Nick Saban, who doesn't like this, and Lincoln Riley, who doesn't like it, are like, okay, we can embrace it or we can just be rigid and get clobbered by it. And so Lincoln, Ronnie, it's like, yeah, I don't really love it,

but all right, these are the rules. I'm going to use them. Folks, you may not want the speed limit to go up. But if it went to 80 tomorrow, you couldn't drive 50 or you get a ticket for slowing traffic. You're going to embrace stuff in life or be rigid. I don't love all the NIL stuff. I don't I love it. I do not want to buy high school players. That was illegal my whole life. I just think it's un-American. The whole concept is un-American that an 18-year-old can't earn as much money as they are told their worth by the market. If they weren't a student athlete, we would be praising them for their genius and how they put together this incredible business at such a young age. Only because they're athletes, there is this criticism that they're incapable of handling money, that they don't deserve it, which by the way, most of these schools only exist because of the football. program, but that's a whole other conversation.

It's just an idea that because they're athletes that they shouldn't be making this money. And think about this. So these programs have been spending money for years on coaches' salaries and facilities. So now they're going to have to spend them on the kids, people. But it's not the programs itself. The idea that the actual school is paying these kids is inaccurate. Right. That's not what's happening.

That's not what NIL means. Now, obviously, some boosters are attached to. to schools and want certain players to come to schools, and they are putting together these deals. But a lot of these deals are just nutrition companies who want a college athlete or an apparel company who want the college athletes to wear their stuff. Most of it is that type of endorsements. It's not just boosters saying, here, I'm going to run you a million dollars. Here's the truth about NIL.

It will not change a thing about college football. No. The SEC schools will still win. USC, which about every 12 years hires the right football coach and crushes. When they hired McKay, they won a title. When they hired John Robinson, they won a title. When they hired Pete Carroll, they won a title.

And in the next five years, they're going to win another title. And by the way, in each decade, everybody was absolutely sure they were dead. USC's never dead. There's a thousand kids around here that want to be rock stars in football, and they most want to be Trojans. But also, it's not limited to just college football. I mean, obviously we're going to talk about college football. the most. Ask yourself this. One and done. Has it changed college basketball? It has, I think,

in some ways. How? I mean, in terms of the programs. I think as far as, I think what it actually has done has affected the NBA more than college basketball. Great point. We don't know the players as well. The players don't come in with the same level of development. Totally fair. They don't come in with the same maturity sometimes that they would if they were in college for longer. But it also, one and done, is not every single player. There are still players that stay in college for longer than one year. Ninety-eight percent of the players. Correct. So think about this. College basketball won

and done. All I heard was going to ruin the sport. Who was in the national championship this year? Oh, wait. Kansas and Carolina. Who was also in the final four? Duke. And change anything. Oh, by bad. Villanova. It didn't change anything. The school, Gonzaga, was winning

25 years ago and they're winning today. Tell me the programs that the one in Duk, Kentucky's still good, Kansas, Syracuse, Gonzaga, UCLA, Arizona, all the programs that were great are still great. The ones that were irrelevant are still irrelevant. It hasn't changed anything. The bottom line is, to Joyce point, I don't think the one and done is great for the NBA because you bring these kids in and these NBA GMs, I mean, there's more whiffs. You're guessing.

You have one year of college tape. Well, and you also have to wait for them to develop more physically. Yeah. So, so. Because they're younger players. Yeah. But this NIL, you tell me, do you really believe that we're going to look up in three or four years and this whole different subset of teams will be winning? No.

Wouldn't that be a good thing? Isn't that what they're arguing? Like, isn't that what the problem is? Wouldn't that be a good thing? The complaint is always that we have the same four teams in the playoffs every year. If NIL corrects that, that would be a good thing. corrects that, that would be a good thing that. So I'm just, I'm so

confused. Also, again, NIL does not just affect college football players and college male basketball players. Baseball players, soccer players, female athletes, lacrosse players, volleyball players. If Alabama had a great baseball player,

a great pitcher, Vanderbilt's the best program, or LSU. That pitcher, Vanderbilt would go, come here, we have a better baseball coach than Alabama. that player would transfer to Vanderbilt because they have like this legendary baseball program. Would that be bad for college baseball? No.

Vanderbilt would get stronger. Vanderbilt's always, you know, I don't follow college baseball that closely, but Vanderbilt's got a really good program. So again, when you're, and this whole tampering thing is nonsense. Everybody, especially 18-year-olds, should not be locked down. They can, if they're going to college at Harvard and they want to go to Yale, they should be able to do it tomorrow. I transferred. People transfer schools. Things change in your life. There's a reason for it. There's a reason why it's available. Especially 18-year-olds should have a right in life to say, I made a mistake or I want something else. I'm leaving. We don't want to trap our kids. Our kids make mistakes. What do they say? Your brain's not fully developed until they are 24.

That's not even the limitations of it. The problem when you get into these like rigid rules with things is that you lose all nuance. Sometimes, what if they needed to move back because something happened with their family? What if the coach that brought them in is no longer there, which happens all the time? And now the new coach that's there doesn't want to play you. Well, you have a certain amount of time that you can play college sports. What are you supposed to do? Jordan Addison chose Caleb Williams. He didn't choose USC's brand.

He chose Lincoln Riley and Caleb Williams. And however they got a hold of him, it's called an iPhone. I don't care. But elite young player, and by the way, Jordan Addison is the only player USC wanted. So let's not pretend that they're raiding all these rosters. They wait for guys to go to the transfer portal and they get him. They're not taking him from Pitt.

Eventually they'll take him from the transfer portal. Because I'm not sure of the rules exactly. I think you have to enter it. That's the other thing. You have to enter it and then we take it from the transfer. And when they enter the transfer portal, other teams are allowed to talk to them as well. That's right. And there's no lock he's at USC.

Reportedly, Texas, he's got a connection at Texas and a connection at Alabama. So if tomorrow he ends up at Bama, it's like, all right, this is not like a USC take. It's like, don't limit young people. My daughter wanted to transfer out of college after two years. And I said, I think you should stick it out. I gave her reasons. She slept on it and decided to stay and graduated. But she was like, you know, am I getting the most out of this space, out of this school?

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1-800flowers.com code heard. James Jones played in the NFL just shy of a decade, eight years with the Packers. he was a third round pick in an eight year seven playoffs he's joining us now so you know as a third round pick the packers have a history of they go defense in the first round and they get their tight ends and the receivers and the old lineman in the third fourth fifth round so the packers go out and they draft christian watson yes a lower division of football you looked at the tape you how do you think how quickly can erin trust him in a big spot the kid has an obvious opportunity to be special. I mean, you look at a guy who runs 4-3, he's big, he's physical, and I watched a lot of them. He could really run routes, you know, but I think he's coming into

a really good situation to where he doesn't have to do a lot. So it's not going to be like you have to build this super chemistry with Aaron. We want you to run a post. We want you to run a go. We want you to run a comeback every now and in, and we are going to make sure you're going to polish these things up because we have guys like Randall Cobb, Sammy Watkins, Lazar, who could do the dirty work can have the chemistry with Aaron Bo. This is what we need you to do. Go play fast. Go do what you do.

He's extremely good with yak yarders after the catch. But yes, to get this guy in the second round, a guy that could go like this, I believe he's coming into a really good situation. And he's coming with a very special thrower of the football. So taking the field right now, even as a rookie, you're not covered. You have the ability to be open every single play just strictly because the way Aaron Rogers could throw the football.

So he's in a really good situation. I'm excited to see the kid go. So Devante Adams, goes from Aaron to Derek Carr. There's a lot of people that thought, you know, that's a lot of money for him, but he has a legendary work ethic. And I tend to be, if a guy works, he'll succeed.

Do you think in Las Vegas, I almost said Oakland, in Vegas, Devante Adams will have similar production? Well, first off, I mean, you guys know how I feel about Aaron. But Devante Adams could get busy with anybody. Devante Adams is that guy. He is absolutely special wide receiver. He's the best receiver in the national football league. He's not the fastest.

He's not the fastest by any means. What is it with him? I'll probably beat him in a race right now. He's not the fastest by any means. But his releases off the line of scrimmage is number one. If you come up and press him, I mean, you see Jalen Ramsey, you see all these guys come up and press him, and you cannot guard Devante in the phone booth. He's that quick off the line of scrimmage.

Then his ability to get in and out of his breaks. The way he runs routes, the ability to get in and out of his breaks is second to none. And when you put a defensive back in chase mode, right off the line of scrimmage, you've seen when Richard Sherman, got beat. When you put them in chase mode, that's what Devante Adams does. And now you're beat, now you're panicking, and now you're trying to catch up. You don't got to be fast. Devante is an extremely

good route runner. Devante is special without Aaron Rogers. And the reason why I say that is he really made his money when Aaron was hurt and Brett Huntley came in the game. Jordy Nelson kind of disappeared. Randall Cobb kind of disappeared. And Devante's stats kept going up and up and

up because he's that guy don't matter who's out there. He's built like that. He's special. So I A team that nobody's talking about because there may be a lot of drama in their division is Arizona. Yeah. What Arizona has done on the offensive side of the ball is insane. So then they go out and get Hollywood Brown. Man.

Now, they got Ron Dale Moore, D. Hop, A.J. Green. My goodness. They drafted the tight end from Colorado State, who many suspect is the best tight end. How does Hollywood Brown fit? Can he get touches? He going to get plenty of touches and plenty of opportunities. I mean, Hollywood Brown is a guy that's. you can put on the outside and the inside.

Like he can do both. Okay. So now you have speed coming at you from Hollywood Brown, more, and then you have a really good receiver in D'Andre Hopkins. You have a guy in A.J. Brown that can still win on one-on-one coverage, and you still have James Connor in the backfield. But Hollywood Brown adds a totally different dimension to this offense, strictly because how he can run routes and how he can blow the top off the defense,

and he can play both inside and out. So it's going to be tough. You're going to have to buckle up and get ready when you play the Arizona Cardinals, because I don't know how you stop them, and then you get a tight end out of Colorado State who's really built like Zach Ertz. Like he can run those routes. He's really built like Zach Ertz.

So this is going to be a scary, scary offense if they can protect for three seconds, it's going to be tough to stop the Arizona. So AJ Brown, the Titans moved off him. Yeah. And Philadelphia aggressively got him. Were you a little surprised the Titans let him go? You know, this one is a head scratcher for me.

I'm still trying to figure out, why not just pay to me? I don't understand these organizations. You're letting a big time top five receiver out of your building because you don't want to pay them. And then you're going to go in a draft and say, we want to get somebody that looks just like him and runs just like them. And the same size, just pay him. You're paying an average quarterback $30 plus million a year. And you're letting the top five young receiver out of your building because you don't want to give them the money.

I don't understand it. And then you're going to go in the draft and say, well, we're going to try to get a dude that looks just like. him. The dude that looks just like him is him. He's in your building. Just pay him the money. Yeah. You know, what's interesting about that move is that Tannihill needs weapons. Yes. So, I mean, that's a quarterback. Derek Henry needs weapons. You're going to keep, now you're going to have eight, nine in the box and you're going to force these young guys to go out there and win with Ryan Tanniel. Ryan Tannahill. Ryan Tannahill is not a guy that's going to make his receiver betters with his arm. Like, you're not even helping Derek Henry. Now he's going to take a pound in again.

So James Jones joining us. So I want to ask you to project on a Drake. London. So he's not a burner, but you and I were talking during the break. DeAndre Hopkins isn't a burner. He's just always open. Amari Cooper's not a burner. He's always open. So Drake London, the concern is, well, you know, and I think to myself, okay, you tell me, when guys explain DeAndre Hopkins, explain the receivers that aren't burners, because I watched Drake London play. And I mean, he's a guy you can target 12 times, but he doesn't run past people. How do you think he'll project? My two favorite receivers in the draft, number one was Skymore.

Number two was Drake London. And the reason why, Drake London has stuff that guys don't have in the National Football League. When you watch his body control and you watch him play this game, when he jumps up to Moss somebody, he's coming down landing on his feet. When he's running through these arm tackles and jumping over people, he's landing on his feet. When you watch a lot of guys jump up and try to go moss balls and all that, they're falling down, landing on their bag, doing all this stuff. It's plenty of plays to where this guy is making big time catches coming down,

landing on his feet, making yak yard after the play. He is a special receiver. He's going to go to Atlanta. When this is all set and done, him and Sky Moore are going to be the best two receivers in this draft, in my humble opinion. Sky Moore. How about that? Sky Moore, out of Western Michigan, you know.

Is that sound like a wide receiver? It either sounds like a regional. aviation company or a wide receiver in the NFL. Skymore. Sky more. All right. So let's kind of segue back to, I want to talk about the Cowboys. So they lost a lot of production, a lot.

And they drafted a guard. And there are some character guys, according to some reports that, and they did that last year. They took some chance on character guys. So I guess my takeaway is this. C.D. Lamb feels like, to me, a number one. Yeah. No doubt.

Okay. But I don't know who the two is, and I thought Cedric Wilson was one of the better threes in the league. Yes. So we've all paid attention to Amari Cooper. Hell, Cedric Wilson separates. Most threes, as you know, James, they don't separate. So, you know, I start looking at Dallas, and do they have enough sauce on the outside? They don't. Not right now. They don't. I mean, and you hope Gallup can come back and be the guy that he was, but he's going to.

coming off of ACL surgery and you don't know when he's going to get back to being 100%. They're not doing C.D. Lamb a favor. When they traded Amari Cooper, I was sitting here looking like, I don't understand it. Like, Amari Cooper came into this offense. He's one of the ones that really made everything easier for DAC because he pressed coverage. He's going to win. Zone coverage, he's going to be open. Really good route runner, really good off the line of scrimmage. And all the attention was coming to him. So C.D. Lamb, when he came in the building, was able to see second and third corners in the slot with a four-way go with an opportunity to see a lot of footballs because the number one guy was going with Amari Cooper and you had Gallup on the

other side who can make some plays as well. Now Gallup's hurt. You trade away Amari Cooper. Now C.D. Lamb is going to get all the attention. And who else is going to win? And you want Dak to go out here and you want Dak to be a big-time quarterback and make big-time plays. But who is he throwing to?

Who is going to win? watching this off season, I feel like the Cowboys took a step backwards on the office side of the ball. Yeah, and by the way, that's why I think Philadelphia goes out and gets A.J. Brown, my takeaway on what because they had to give up some stuff to get him. My takeaway is they smell blood.

The Giants didn't pick up Daniel Jones' fifth year option, so they know they're going to have quarterback chaos in a year. Washington, Carson Wentz, according to reports, is viewed as a bridge. And Dallas got worse. And I wonder if, I wonder if Philly said, boy, this is a moment in time.

Tom, yes. Because if you watch what Philly did in the draft, I mean, to get Jordan Davis, then to come back and get to Kobe Dean. So you got Jordan Davis and Fletcher Cox coming at you up the middle. And Kobe Dean is going to be a sideline, a sideline linebacker if he could stay healthy, who's not going to be touched with them big boys in front. And then you already have the young receiver fee. Now I'm over there in Smith.

You have got her. You have Sanders in the backfield. And then you bring over A.J. Brown. Who is a one? Who is a number one, no questions asked. But not only that, he's going to help Jalen because. you're going to get the ball out your hands fast to this big fella, whether it's screen passes, whether it's slants, whether it's enrouts.

The ball is coming out fast and let him do what he does after the catch. And then not only that, what Jaylin could do with his legs. I truly believe this is the Cowboys. I mean, this is the Eagles Division. No, we said that last week. I honestly felt like Philadelphia, super aggressive, looked around and thought, man, Dallas lost a lot of starts and a lot of sacks and a lot of catches.

It is interesting about wide receiver. You know, we say, and Joy and I say this all the time, is, oh, the college gives you 25 receivers a year, but they give you a Jamar Chase about every fourth year. They're not a lot of Justin Jefferson. So the market can give you receivers, but it's not giving you a lot of AJ Browns. No, no.

And that's what's still crazy to me. I do not understand it. Like, I would want to get Malik in the third round and when it's his time to have AJ Brown and Robert Woods out there to not have a rookie Traylon Berks and all. And Traylon could come out and be a bona fide number one. We don't know, but we know what AJ Brown is. Pay the man to money and go win some football games and continue to win.

You was the number one seed last year. Continue to win and help your quarterback out. I truly believe they hurt. Tannenhill, when Tannenhill going to go on the game this year, and whenever it's Malik's turn, they hurt him as well. Good stuff. James Jones. He is bringing it on a Monday. This guy's got energy to burn.

And congrats in your success broadcasting as well, man. You do a great job. Thanks for having. Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, the Seahawks did not add a quarterback in the draft this weekend.

They did not. So they have Drew Locke, Gino Smith, and Jacob Eason. All right, well, fourth place is not the worst thing in the world. Well, Pete Carroll says they're happy with how the quarterback room looks. But they would be open to adding one in the future. But you know, we're always competing. That's all we know how to do around here. So we're always checking out everything that's possible.

Right now, really excited about seeing these guys for the first time, and we'll see what happens in the time to come. But we're always competing. We'll always look. Nothing's going to change that quick. No, we're really happy with the guys we got to see them battle and we'll see what happens. You never know what's going on down the road.

We're always looking. By the way, we should all look as good as Pete Carroll at 70. He's a great advertisement for optimism. Energy. I mean, seriously, Pete. No, it looks great. That's how he age. He looks like a million dollars. Whatever the water is up in Kirkland, Washington. But I do think deep down, John Snyder and Pete, who I've been critical of, I really think this is the right thing to do.

If you're not going to keep Russell, if you're going to move off, Joy, they're going to have two first next year, two seconds, and a ton of money. Well, part of that makes me feel like Russell told them I don't want to make this super ugly, but I want to out of here. Yeah. So let's just do it. We don't want to make this into a whole drama thing. It's bad for my brand. It's bad for your brand. But I don't want to be here anymore.

So they figured it out because, again, I don't know why you would ever move off of Russell Wilson willingly. So I do feel like it was Russell's choice. And he just presented it to them in a very honest and open way. Totally agree with that. But I do think, considering. they were limited on where they could trade Russell, because remember, he had veto power. Of course. They could have gotten more, but in the end, what they didn't have before the Russell Wilson

trade, they didn't have picks. Right. And they still got a great deal. Well, they've gotten a much better deal. Had they, he gone wherever, maybe, but maybe not. You know, there's, there is a market cap for people that don't want to ruin the next three years of their three to five years of their team just to get one particular player. Like there is a cost benefit that you have to do with when you.

make those massive trades to begin with. I think they are going to run it with the quarterbacks they have because the market also dictates that they must do that. What are you going to do? You're not going to get Jimmy Garapolo. Why are you going to take a swing on Baker Mayfield? That makes no sense. He's not the future.

He's not a good locker room guy. He hasn't been able to elevate an average roster. You're in the best position that you can be in to build your team for next year. Every year can't be a contending year. So I think that that's what they're going to end up doing. Yeah. Zion Williamson missed the entire season with the broken. foot and there's been plenty of rumors that he's

unhappy with the Pelicans organization. There are some conversations about if the Pelicans should trade him. But when he was asked about his future with the team and whether he would sign a long-term extension, he made it clear he's hoping to stay in New Orleans. Of course. Of course. I wouldn't be able to sign it fast enough.

I can't control rumors and how people feel about certain things. Anybody that know me, know I want to be here. If they feel otherwise, I can't help that. But if you know me, you know I want to be here. I will say this, their playoff run makes it feel a lot better than it did pre-playoff run. Like you watch them against the Suns and you're like, God, what if they had Zion? Sure.

How could you not think that the whole time you're watching them? They really had a great performance against the Sun. No, it was a super, even the games they lost. You're a playing team and you took the Suns, the best team in the league, to six without your best player in Zion Williamson. Now, as far as him staying there and the contract and all that, we talked about how he might be that player that doesn't take that money just because he doesn't want to be in New Orleans. After these injuries, I don't think that's the case anymore because the questions about Zion Williamson are valid.

Look how big he is. Yeah. As a basketball player, Joy, he's a defensive tackle. We knew he was big, though. But I'm saying, if you want to know why he came out and put up wilt numbers, who in their right mind wants to take a charge from Zion Williamson? I mean, no one. That'd be like Fletcher Cox coming down the lane, good to dunk it.

I'm going to take a pass on this. There you go. The basket's right there. But he has missed 149 of a possible 234 games with the Pelicans. He's missed 64% of the games that he could have played in with the Pelicans. Look at his shoulders, his back. But when he's healthy, average 25.7 points, seven rebounds, 3.2 assists. As a 19-year-old.

As a 20-year-old. This will be an ongoing story with Zion Williamson. You know what I miss? This offseason is going to be very important for him. When he was playing, we ran his highlights every day. Yeah, he's a highlight machine. And he looks, there's nothing in the league that looks like him. He's exciting.

He plays with energy. He's got some Barclay. If you go back, Joy. Go YouTube, Barclays, Philadelphia 76 are highlights where it's like he's wrecking people and nobody wants to get in Charles's way. Yeah, but Charles got his body together eventually. Yeah. Which Zion has to do.

I was very skeptical of the urgency that people have when he came into. the draft about his body, but it's obviously played out that they're right. And he is responsible. You are responsible for your body when you are a professional athlete. That's what you do. You've got to eat right. You've got to train right. And that's not the easiest thing to do.

You don't get this body eating biscuits, Joy, over here. No, this is a whiskey body now. So the Birmingham Stallions are the last remaining undefeated team in the USFL. And in all three victories, they had a battle back from second half deficits to win this weekend against the New Orleans breakers. The Stallions were down 1310 in the fourth quarter. They scored a touchdown and stripped sacked Kyle Slaughter for a safety to go up 1913. So the breakers still had a chance of three minutes to go, but Slaughter's first pass of the drive was intercepted. Oh, that looks like NFL bodies right there. Let me tell you something.

When you watch the highlights of the USFL or a game, it's not like they don't give you NFL size. The receivers may not be as polished. But when you watch these highlights, that looks like Sunday highlights. Yeah, of course. These are NFL bodies. Now, whether or not they get the chance, they're refined, they get the coaching, are they as healthy? But when I'm watching the highlights on these games, not like, watch this right now. Okay, that's, ouch, that's an NFL pile.

That is, that is an NFL hit. So the bandits beat the gamblers, 27, 26, Stallions beat the Breakers, 2213, the mallers. Your team stinks. Tough go for my Pittsburgh Mollers. I mean, seriously. And the generals beat the stars 2416. There's the USFL week three results. Good stuff, Joy, with the news.

Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lie News. I'm going to hand out Uncle Collins going to give out some grades. Just on the draft, just over the weekend. A handful of grades next. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd.

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So the Broncos, because of the Russell Wilson trade, you know, they don't get that first round pick, but they had a second round pick and maybe got the best second round player in the draft, Nick Benito, great edge rusher, 16 sacks last two years at Oklahoma, and then tied in Greg Dulcich, who was a walk on at UCLA to replace Noah Fant. So both picks will play immediately. Both picks are players of need. Six of their nine picks were defense, which I think is the right side of the ball for them because they've got Russell Wilson to elevate the offense. So I thought they had a great draft. The Cowboys. I'd give him a D. So first of all, they lost a lot of production. The Edge Sam William had all sorts of off the field problems in college. A lot of

people took them off their board, took him off their board. They were the most penalized offensive line last year, and they drafted the most penalized offensive linemen in college. I didn't see much of a plan. It's the second straight year. They've gone with a lot of red flag character guys, so I didn't like it. What grade are you giving the Eagles? A-minus. Jordan Davis, I thought, was a great pick, and I loved how aggressive they were.

They gave up a lot to get A.J. Brown, but they also got Nacobi Dean linebacker third round. So I give him an A-minus because he didn't get surgery, and they're a major injury concern. So he may not work. If he does, you stole a pro bowler in the third round. So I like their aggressiveness, even not only on the trade, but on Nkobi Dean, who a lot of people passed on because of his injury. How about the Jets? Jets get my highest grade. I got to tell something. I think this is about as good a draft as I've ever seen. They have four of the best players at their respective positions in the first two rounds. They've got a starting corner,

a starting receiver, a starting edge, a starting running back. And a lot of people thought Jeremy Rucker, the tight end, was the second best tight end in football. That's about as good as you can draft. Now, again, it's a rebuilding roster. So it allows you a lot of picks and a lot of guys who can start. But Joe Douglas in back-to-back drafts has just hit it absolutely out of the park. Can Zach Wilson cinch it all together, hopefully? but I, this is, again, what am I know?

We guess on a lot of this stuff, but they got wildly athletic, productive players in the first couple rounds. I don't think there's any misses there. How about the Lions? B-plus, I like what they did. They were super aggressive. Now, I don't know, James,

James and Williams are a receiver from Bama. This is why I give it a B-plus. He's coming off a surgery. People love him. And Aiden Hutchison's really good, but some people see him as kind of a, you know, a lower, ceiling but a productive player.

If James and Williams are receiver, and that's the first, first round receiver they've drafted since Calvin Johnson, if he's great, and he could be. I had a general manager tell me over the weekend, he's like, if that kid is healthy, he will light this league up by Thanksgiving. So this could be an A-plus draft based because Amaran St. Brown last year, who they got in the fourth round was way better than projections. So they may have found a number one wide receiver in this draft, but often A-C. he may not be ready to really roll

till halfway through the season. The Packers. I would give him a C. Their first pick, the Georgia linebacker, Quay Walker's great. He'll start. But the problem is they don't have a single receiver on the roster that had over 650 yards. So I would have taken those first two picks,

moved up, and gotten a star. Because I don't think they have a lot of holes in the roster. I think they have won, and I would have addressed it. But they draft and develop very well. So, I would have said, hey, here's the moment. Aaron's 38. They've got a bunch of two, three, and four receivers.

Let's go get a one potentially. They didn't. But if Christian Watson ends up being great, then I'm wrong. The Patriots. F. Why are they drafting running backs? Like they have a stable. Damien Harris, Ramondre Stevenson.

Like, why are they drafting? And why are they draft a quarterback? They've got one. So I just, I thought they reached on everything. I got the guard. Now, I wouldn't have picked him there, but I got the guard because Shaq Mason left. And they do a great job in the old line. But it's like, dude, wouldn't you have been better off just retaining J.C. Jackson the corner instead of going drafting a couple and crossing your fingers?

And by the way, you drafted him third and fourth round. So you know they won't be as good at least for the next two years. So I just thought they had running backs. They've got a quarterback. They had a corner if they would have signed them. I just don't get their strategy at all. The Ravens. I mean, every year, A, I don't think of the best safety, the best center, and one of the best

edges with their first three picks. Their first four picks were all mentioned as possible first rounders. They do this really well. They're really smart. Kyle Hamilton, because he ran a slower 40-time dropped, but he allowed 17.5 passer rating when you threw in his direction at Notre Dame. So, I mean, value can be a little overrated. You need players.

But to get the best center and the best safety. and not move up. It's like, wow, this is what the Ravens do. Time and time again. The Seahawks. First time I can remember ever saying this. A. So they got to start over at tackle. They got two tackles. One's going to be a star. They have a Seahawk fans freaked out. We already got running backs. You do not have a playmaking running back. Rashad Penny is not reliable. Chris Carson's great, not reliable. And then you got a bunch of guys. Kenneth Walker led all of college football in post-contact yards. He's a star. When you lose Russell Wilson, you've got to have playmakers. That's why be careful about trading Tyler Lockett, D.K. Metcalf, they need a home run hitter at

running back. They do not have one. I would keep Rashad Penny as my two because he's got some acceleration that the other backs in Seattle don't. But I, and I just liked everything they did. And also in the Russell Wilson trade, they have a ton of draft capital next year. So you can see what they're doing. They're saying, listen, we're in a tough division. We want to be in the top five or six. There's going to be two or three teams we know that aren't going to be great this year. Atlanta's rebuilding.

Seattle's rebuilding. But I think Atlanta in their division can win more games than Seattle in theirs. And Marcus Mario is better than Drew Locke and Gino Smith. So Seattle has earned the right to go back, Big for a year. Get their cap right, they did. Get their draft capital increased. They did.

And I thought, Seattle's first round picks in the last six, seven years, I have ripped every year. This was great. Charles Cross is their left tackle for a decade. Way to go Seattle. I'm rooting for them. Drive me nuts, but rooting for them. So, yeah. The Belichick thing is.

is we were saying this earlier. Ryan said in my ear, he said, you know, when you're told you're a genius for 20 years, you start believing it. Right. And that's how great companies. It could be an Apple or a Microsoft. When you're told how smart you are, it's just human nature. You start believing in your own narratives instead of like questioning yourself. And so, you know, it's the rise and the fall of great corporations in America. Is that they're great, great, great, great. And they fall in love with themselves. New England has been told they're so brilliant. It's almost like they're just drafting fits. And it's like, that would be great. But you're one of the slowest rosters in the league.

Start drafting hyper-athletic players who are not reaches. Like guards, you've always figured out guards. You've gotten undrafted players. David Andrews at center was a pro bowler. Like get big, get fast, get explosive. That's what they lack, and I don't think they got a lot of it in the draft. All right, we'll see you tomorrow. Live in L.A. It's the hurt.

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