The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 3 - Dak Prescott, Frank Vogel, Eric Wood

Episode Date: November 26, 2021

In hour 3, Eric Wood joins to talk Josh Allen and the Bills. Also Dak Prescott not being great for the Cowboys and Frank Vogel being the possible scape goat for the Lakers struggles this season so far. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome in. This is The Herd, wherever you may be, and however you may be making it as part of your day. Thanks so much. I'm Doug Gottlie. In for Colin Cowherd. Interesting story about Frank Vogel's coaching tenure. We'll get to that upcoming. Eric Wood will join us.

He, former Pro Bowl Offensive lineman for the Bills Of course calls the Bills games on radio And we'll get his His taking the Bills performance And how much it hurts to lose Your best cover corner at this point in time

In the season. Plus, I got some weekend picks for you. I got some of that Laker stuff for you. I got a bunch. I got a bunch. So the Cowboys lost to the Raiders last night. and if you just said Cowboys Raiders

and you took out the Henry Rugg's car crash and you took out the John Gruden firing, okay, you're like, the Raiders are better this year. It's not the worst thing in the world. But you can't, and I thought they did a pretty good job of like walking, kind of towing that line

last night during the broadcast in which they're talking about, like, look, the truth to it is, it's not just the emotion of having a football player who is really well liked, get drunk and kill another human being and her dog and put himself in jail, lose his freedom, you know, his money and his spot on the team. But also, look, you also lost a really talented kid who has incredible speed. And they were just kind of figuring out how to use him.

And you lost your play caller, your kind of your football czar. And you got rid of some other guys as well. like you have injuries like other other NFL teams. That's not a particularly good Raiders team. And the Raiders, the game should have been over five times, but they're the Raiders. And the Cowboys are, you know, have talent of their own. And, you know, you have a kick return touchdown that got him back, you know, gave them life.

But the, uh, the officiating becoming a big part of the story. The fact is that, yes, the Cowboys got caught, but so did the Raiders. Here's Mike McCarthy on the officiating. 28 penalties, I really, I mean, I don't know what the hell you want to say. The Cowboys Raiders game was the first NFL game in 18 years in which both teams were assessed 14 or more penalties for 100 or more yards. Like, that's a, that's a lot. That's a lot.

So, look, Jerry Jones was, I mean, this is a, This is like a backhanded shot compliment talking about Derek Carr throwing the ball deep. Take a listen. Oakland took advantage of the situation. I call it throw up ball. Right way to play at a game right there. Just throw it out there and get a penalty. 166 yards of penalties?

What do you make that? Well, this would probably be arguably the most watched game other than the Super Bowl. And I hated that the goddamn to just throwing the ball out and getting penalties to get your big plays. Look, is it a flaw in officiating that if you're not looking at the ball and the ball is thrown short, you end up running through the guy's body and it's a, it's past interference? Absolutely. But the first thing is, remember, the Raiders were called for 14 penalties as well now. It's not like it was like all one side.

Secondly, that's how it's actually taught. It's taught that way. Don't believe me. This is Derek Carr talking about the advice John Gruden. always used to give him. I think one thing I've tried to do this year, especially when 11 was here, you know, was I was going to be so aggressive. It leads sometimes to, you know, complete as many balls on a percentage chart or whatever.

But Gruden used to tell me, don't ever take your arm out of the game. So when we call these things, let's rip them, you know. And so we saw some things on film where hopefully we get some looks. Hopefully we can get some one-on-ones down the field. And we were able to find some of those, you know, and have an explosive day. Yeah, look, he threw for over 300 yards. They're undefeated when he throws for over 300 yards. some of it is him being aggressive.

But also, you're taught to throw the ball. Just if you're going to miss, miss short, you know, miss short because then you have the opportunity, one for your wide receiver to go make a play in the ball or for the, for the cornerback to interfere on it. But I still think we're missing a big portion of it. It's that I'm not telling you Dak Prescott stinks. I'm not telling you, Dak Prescott's not a great story,

that the Cowboys didn't make a great draft pick, that he's not a good leader. all those things are great. But I just have a hard time with you convincing me he's this great quarterback. By great, you find a way to win those games. Well, he doesn't have his two wide receivers. I got it. I saw Aaron Rogers win without his top wide receivers and going to Arizona

against a better team on the road in a hostile environment. They did it. You know? It doesn't mean Aaron Rogers wins every game. There are no perfect players. But I do think that we, If, you know, you go back a couple years ago when you took Ezekiel Elliott and he was suspended, the team sank. And two years ago before, you know, the defense wasn't good, but the Cowboys didn't beat any team with the winning record.

Last year until he got hurt, yes, he lit up the Atlanta Falcons, but that was in a comfort behind fashion. And the Falcons were awful. Against the better teams in the NFL, he hasn't been as good generally as the other quarterback. He just hasn't. And so there's this, I think, fair point to be made that, yes, he was a discount for a long time. But part of it was for a reason. You know, there's a parallel there to Black Friday. Like, you're going to go, if you go to a mall or you go online, you're like, man, don't you love when you go to a website or to a store that always seems ridiculously overpriced?

and you feel like for this one day, I'm going to get over on the man. Right? And you look at your favorite kind of clothing. And you're like, wait, wait a second off, the already 50% off. How is this possible? Now, in California, we actually have, it's beneficial to be in California at this time of sale year because of what I'm going to tell you, know to always be true. When you go to your favorite clotheier online, right?

If you do the Lulu or the Allo, right, you do the soft yoga gear or you do, you know, Lucky Brand or, you know, you do a high end like Mr. Fashionista, John Varvados. Whatever you do, you go to there online, you're like, man, 75% up. You click on shirts. What kind of shirts are they? The short sleeve. Which means, well, their last spring's style. And so by the time you get to wear them.

whether because of color or because of style, it's going to be dated. It's going to be a year old, which to me, I don't care. Like, the style's only a year old? That's fine by me. Heck, my dated clothing, I'm better.

I get myself like a five-year window. And really, if it's 10 years too old, I got a chance of it coming back. Like, I still rocking acid-washed jeans and pegging him because I think at some point it's coming back. I just skipped a high-wasted thing. I do like the baggy jeans are coming back. I still have some from college that were that were ridiculous while I'm waiting for that day.

But my point is that you're going to go and you get something at a discount. You get it home, you're like, oh, well, that's why I was on sale. Yeah, dude, it's last year's style. Or it's just good. There's a reason that it's at a reasonable rate. It doesn't mean that there's not value in it. mean that you're not going to rock those shorts, okay, that the inseam is long and now we're rocking short,

in seam shorts. It just means that everybody's going to know. And that's what you got with Dak Prescott. He's good. No one is saying, take it back. And by the way, with that contract, there are no takebacks. But the Cowboys knew it. The Cowboys thought that he was the greatest quarterback ever,

that he was the top five quarterback. Do you think they would have let it play out and haggled back in worth over a couple million dollars. Hell no. They would have locked him up a long time ago. They knew he's good. He's not great. They're trying to save money so they can keep building a team around him because when he doesn't have wide receivers that are elite talent, he can't make him better. It's not who he is. There's only five or six or seven magicians in the NFL anyway. He's not one of the magicians. He's very good at what he does. He's a good solid player. Cowboys knew it. You know it. I know it.

That's what played out yesterday. And Mike McCarthy's the same way. You know, he's got a great resume. Like, oh boy, he was around, you know, far from those guys. He coached Aaron Rogers to a Super Bowl win. But if he was great, they wouldn't have just let him walk. He wouldn't have sat for a year. And look at his teams.

Same thing. Meanwhile, he leaves Green Bay. gone to what? How many straight NFC championship games? Two? Aaron Rogers won the MVP later in a later stage of his life. Why is that?

It's not that McCarthy's bad. He's just not great. It's not the Dak Prescott's bad. He's just not great. It's not their defense is bad. It's just not great. It's not that Ezekieliot is bad. He's just not great anymore. There's no wow plays. That's what you have on the team.

that's just yeah. All right, coming up next, we're going to get to Eric Wood will join us. We'll get his thoughts on the Cowboys, his thoughts on the bill, especially not just the win but losing their best cover corner. How does that affect them heading into the future? We'll get to that next. I'm Doug Gottlieb.

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Eric Wood in a moment, but we got a lot of things brewing, including a report on Frank Volga. job status, all part of Herdline News. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Herdline News. Now, Doug, Dylan Hernandez in the LA Times today wrote a piece about the Lakers struggles. And within that column, he writes that it seems just a matter of time before Frank

Vogel has made the scapegoat in this situation. What are your thoughts on that? Look, I think it's I think it is likely It's a matter of time before he becomes a scapegoat But I also think that He got a contract extension before the year started That was big because he was dealing with the fact

He was on the last year of an expiring deal The Lakers are relatively frugal In terms of buying him out Now they have a couple of options sitting next to him But I don't think they're going to turn a team over to David Fisdale at this point in the year. So I think Frank will get this season to figure it out. And I think it's going to be hard.

You know, he talked today about moving LeBron to the five some. You're not going to know what they have until they get everybody back. And once they, when they get everybody back, I think you've got a pretty good team, but they're going to have to be better defensively in the perimeter. And LeBron is not that guy anymore that really goes out in guards in the perimeter. So you can kind of have to navigate through that. I think Frank's a really good coach. I don't know, you know, he's going to be a little bit powerless in terms of how they want to play,

just because no matter how good defensively you are, if you don't have the personnel, that's really hard to do. So I don't, I feel like Palinka's done a good job of upgrading the talent and probably upgrading the chemistry. I just wasn't good last year. They, whatever, you know, obviously Schrooter, that shrewder thing didn't work. but that doesn't mean that that makes them championship good because everybody else is better. And it also doesn't mean it marries with how Frank really wants to play. So I don't know if that's made them better, but the injuries have really taken away from any chance to seeing what they actually have.

Now, those Lakers are hosting the Kings tonight, favored by seven and a half. LeBron is supposed to play and Anthony Davis supposed to play as well. Now, it's the first game since LeBron had two fans removed. during the Pacers game on Wednesday night. Black Sports Online reported that one of the two fans removed allegedly told LeBron that they hope his son Bronny dies in a car wreck. It sparked interesting debate over the last 36 hours of what's acceptable and what's not when you're sitting there as a fan.

You side with LeBron completely on this one, don't you, Doug? Well, again, I hadn't heard that. I'd heard something far less sinister was said to him. but yes, I think what people have to understand like read your ticket they can eject you whenever they want

and I've all often that like if you're a if you're a player why would you get into a back and forth with a fan? I just eject him that's it. You know it's like

it's like when you're on Twitter like don't go back and forth somebody just mute them or block them done it's like squashing ants so I thought it's a power move by LeBron it's a good move and it's a good to turn for other people now here's how

you know they said something that they knew they shouldn't say. When LeBron had pointed them out, there was none of that like, me? No. What are you talking about? I didn't say anything. You know, and then trying to win the room over. Like tapping the guy next to you on the shoulder, like, tell him, I didn't say anything. Tell him, what are you guys doing?

Whereas everybody else was sitting there going like, oh, that's messed up. That's messed up, LeBron. But, yeah, it was also messed up what they said. So they're definitely guilty. I just don't know what they're guilty of. Well, good news for Cleveland Browns fans. Head coach Kevin Siffansky told reporters today that he expects Kareem Hunt and all-pro offensive tackle

Jack Conklin to be activated from the IR and play on Sunday. Hunt's missed the last five games with that calf injury. Conklin's only played in six games due to an elbow injury. Having both of those players back is great news for Browns fans and for those of us who have Kareem Hunt and our fantasy football teams as we make a push for the playoffs, right? Nobody cares about your vacations, about pictures of food that you ate.

Golf rounds. Your golf score, especially the intricate details of what happened on Whole 13. And definitely no one cares about your fantasy football team. But for the Browns, yes, it's important to get healthy. They haven't been healthy all year. And when you get more running back health, that's even more important because that's the staple of

what and how they want to play. And I've been on record, by the way. I don't mind hearing about your fantasy team. Until you make the transitional phrase, now in my other league, that's when I stop listening. I can't give you two team summary. Now, Ole Miss won the Egg Bowl yesterday, right?

Their rivalry game against Mississippi State, 31 to 21. Old Miss is 10 and 2 on the season. Six and two in the SEC. Those 10 ones matches a school record. record. Now the speculation begins. Does Lane Kiffin stay? Does Lane Kiffin go elsewhere? There are some amazing destination jobs out there. How do you think this plays out with Kiffin? I mean, I think it gets a new contract. I just don't know where it is. You know, obviously the A&M win is their signature win. When they beat Arkansas, Arkansas was really good. It was an

unbelievable football game. And, you know, like at a conference, Louisville's fine, but they beat Louisville. So it's not like they played complete sisters of the poor the entire season. You know, Louisville's six and five, four, and four. But they didn't play Georgia, didn't beat Alabama, and so many other teams are down. But they beat A&M who's not down. So, look, Lane's done a really good job. The question is going to become, you know, how much.

of his past baggage chases him and, you know, can he be the guy that fixes Florida or LSU? LSU would seemingly make sense just because he's an offensive guy and they need offense. Heck, USC would make sense if not for the fact that

he's been there, done that, and they fired him on the tarmac. Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong with staying, get a whole bunch of money and just, you know, but you got to know there's going to be some lean years at Ole Miss, especially in the new SEC. But, you know, he's got a tremendous quarterback. And who's, you know, a California kid.

He's only six feet tall. So I don't know what his value is in the draft. But if you can keep him, stay there. If he can move, take the quarterback with him. Then you'd be fine. Now, Doug, history was made yesterday in college basketball. Rick Petino and the Iona Gales made MAAAC men's hoops history. when they upset 10th ranked Alabama.

It was the first team in the Metro Atlantic Athletic Athletic Conference to ever be the top 10 team. Now, I know you've said Rick Petino is a hell of a coach. I wonder, what is Patino's legacy ultimately going to be? I think, I mean, to me, I think he's the best modern day basketball coach we've ever seen. And he's done it on, you know, it's the, he was the first one to really embrace the three-point shot back.

He was at Providence. When he got the next job, they were pressing and shooting threes, way more so. Nobody was shooting threes like them in the NBA. He was ahead of it, you know, in terms of personal conditioning and having guys be lighter and lose weight and running and conditioning in the off season. He was ahead of it.

Tanking. They tanked in Boston. They didn't get Tim Duncan, but he was ahead of it. So, and then on the course, They've been fantastic. Final four is at Providence, national championships at Kentucky and at Louisville. Winning in Greece as a as a coach in Athens. So he's won everywhere he's been.

I don't think he can escape the off the court controversy. There's just too much of it, too much noise. But to people who are in the know in terms of basketball, like it's not a crazy statement to say he's actually been a more. transformative basketball mind than anybody else in basketball over the last 25 years. And that is Hurtline News. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The Hirdline News. I had a good day cooking yesterday. I caught a little bit of heat because I did tweet out a picture of the sweet potato casserole, which had the little mini marshmallows on top. But we put on the broiler for like three minutes. obviously it like blackens and browns them, but it was still like, it was amazing. It's amazing.

Eric Wood joins us who, Woody, you wouldn't think in looking at you that you're a former offensive linemen and a really, really good one. Now, do you go crazy Thanksgiving and you get in your old kind of fat guy ways and just pound a bunch of food?

Oh, yeah, I will. Yeah, I definitely have that in me. I prescribe to intermittent fasting most days because, you know, it's hard to break the habits of eating like an old lineman. So I just choose to have less meals and a little more nutritious nowadays based upon the fact that I'm not paid to be big and push people around. Yesterday I was in New Orleans for the game,

had me some oysters for lunch. We'll do our traditional Thanksgiving as a family on Sunday. All right. I'm good with that. Okay, we'll get to the injury in a second, but Josh Allen hadn't played nearly as well. And they weren't great in the first half. Did something change?

Did they break out of it? the second half or is just New Orleans not very good? Probably a combination of both. They were playing better ball in the second half. And the first half, they were intent on establishing a run game. And that's partially to keep defense as honest. But New Orleans gave up 242 yards rushing last week to the Eagles. But prior to that, they had the number one rush defense at all the NFL.

So I understand that the bills want to establish a run game moving forward. They do not want to continue to get that Kansas City treatment where everybody plays you in too high and just dares you to throw the ball underneath, see if you can sustain drives. And then when you do take a shot down the field, there's off the safety lurking over the top. So, you know, it was a combination of them being intent on establishing a run game against a good rush defense. Josh Allen forced one pass and got picked off. And then another time he got his arm hit in the red zone and he threw an interception

there or else it could have been a lot worse than half time. Okay. So why do you think they haven't been as good? Was it because they haven't run the football and hasn't set up that play action? And that's why they wanted to establish the run? Like, why do you think they haven't been playing as well offensively? Specifically, Josh hasn't been playing as well as he did last year. Turnovers.

And if you look at statistically, Josh Allen a year ago and Josh Allen this year, it's very similar except for the expectations were a lot higher going into this season. And so one of the biggest factors is there's been more turnover. from the bill's offense in general. In the first seven games in the season, they have six total turnovers. In the last four games, they've had nine. And that plays a big factor into the bill is getting beat by Jacksonville.

The bill is getting beat by the Colts. You just can't turn the ball over this league and win. Of all the stats you look at the end of the game, turnovers are the number one predictor of wins and mosses. Okay, so how much is losing your best cover corner? hurt the ultimate ceiling of this football team? It definitely hurts. Strieve's White is he's a 10 out of 10 player in person.

That's a big loss for the organization. What they're able to do defensively on some of it, because of what he can do out there on the outside by himself, Levi Wallace, across from him, benefits from constantly having the safety rotation because you can leave Tradavius White on an island. At times, he'll shadow the other team's best receiver. you're going to have to come up with some different game plans.

Tradeo hasn't missed much time in his career. And so this is pretty unfamiliar territory for this Bill's coaching staff, the game plan without him. Now, they have experience all over the field. And so losing one guy, you would hope wouldn't derail what a lot of people are hoping is a Super Bowl season. But he's a tremendous factor in what they do. Okay.

They got two games left against the Pats. Pat's now are starting to get hot. the defense is obviously very good. You got a rookie quarterback, and everything they're doing is kind of underneath, you know, option routes, you know, a very, very conservative style. How does that match up with the Bills? Well, I'll say the Bills rush defense was excellent until two weeks ago against the Colts

and then the one game against the Titans. Those were two physical offensive lines that got the better of the Bills' defensive front seven. Well, New England's got a physical line, one of the best lines in football. Their tight end room right up there with one of the best in football as well. Mack Jones is doing a good job of taking care of the ball. I would say as far as the Bill's defense goes, it's not a great matchup. And a lot of people, especially in the Bill's media, are concerned about a matchup with the Patriots,

just because it's unfamiliar. Last year, they sweep the Patriots. But, you know, this is a totally different team this year. And you've got to see how this Bill's defense will play against Mack Jones. I'll be honest, when the schedule were released, I was hoping. that the bills would at least play the Patriots once early, just assuming if they started Mac Jones, he would continue to get better throughout the season,

which he has. And so next Monday night is going to be a whole lot of fun up in Orchard Park because assuming New England takes care of business this weekend, that's for first place in the AFC East. Yeah, that's going to be a zoo. It's going to be an absolute, absolute zoo. Yeah, Bill's Mafia won't be having any fun prior to that one. I mean, it might as well be a national holiday.

I don't even know where you're going to be able to go get a bite to eat. I think everybody will be taking the day off to start tailgating early. Have you jumped off a van onto a table yet? Like have you fully – I mean, obviously you're like a deity sort of figure there. Have you jumped off the top of a roof of a van or a truck onto a table yet? I have not. And I kind of have a built-in excuse with my neck that I can say that maybe it would be affected if I would do that. I will tell you a funny story, though.

I got in a little bit of trouble with the bills. I guess it was the 2019 season. It was my first year back working for the bills, doing some media work for them, covering the games on the radio. And this group reached out to my broadcast agent and said, hey, we'll pay, I think it was like $3,000 or $2,500 to show up for 45 minutes at this tailgate for this guy's birthday.

I said, yeah, I'll show up. I don't have that much pride. It's on my way into the stadium. You know, I'm walking around with a coffee cup. I got a sport jacket on. And I'm holding the coffee cup to make it just blatantly. obvious. I'm not out there drinking party before the game. Well, I am in the background of a video of someone jumping through a table that got posted on the internet.

I guess someone tagged me. Then all of a sudden, I got reprimanded that we are not, as Bill's employees, we cannot be around that. Not that we'd be liable just to protect at any cost. That's unacceptable. So I've had to limit my tailgate appearances since, but when they're coming close to double in your paycheck, you do what you got to do, Doug. I'm, and it's not just because I watched that Colts game. I watched the Colts. I mean, they handled the Ravens for the first half.

And then Lamar just went crazy. Like, I feel like because of how they started, we left the Colts for dead. And they're a sleeper team. You have Carson Wentz, who is back playing good football. You have a tremendous talent in Jonathan Taylor. Obviously, Bill's fans saw that firsthand last week. And the defense is fast, does kind of fly around. Like, I kind of feel like they're an under the radar AFC team.

You've seen them up close and personal. How good are the Colts in comparison to the tops of the AFC? They're right there with them. And when you look at this Colts roster last year, they gave the bills everything they wanted in the first round of playoffs before the bills end up moving on to the AFC championship. And you replace Phillip Rivers with Carson Wentz. You put him back with Frank Reich.

And Frank Wright, yeah, I have as much respect for him as any head coach in the NFL. What he does schematically, the way his teams play, it's just truly unbelievable. what he's been able to establish up there in Indy and not that long of a time up there. So, yeah, the Colts are definitely a team that has to be reckoned with. And when you look at what they're able to do, they have a great offensive line. They can establish the run.

They have some weapons on the outside, especially with Michael Pittman emerging on the outside on that offense. The defense is solid. They got a good ball club from top to bottom. They do have a good ball club from top to bottom. Have you ever been in a game where you had the type of number of penalties that you saw the Raiders? And I know you're prepping for your game and your game started. But did you see all the penalties in the Raiders Cowboys game?

Yeah, 14 apiece. Yes. I mean, and I'll tell you this. I mean, just the bills have been penalized just at an astronomical rate this year. And I mean, I follow them so you have some bias just from familiarity with the team and the amount I cover them. I just feel like these penalties are out of control. Some of these holding calls, it's the roughing the passers,

it's the holdings, it's the defensive P.I., the defensive holdings. Those that, I'm not saying you could call it on every play, especially with the roughing the pastors, but they're subjective in nature. You know,

you can call it essentially when you want to. If there's a hold away from the ball, maybe you let that one go. If it's at the point of attack, you call it. But I just feel like penalties are up. And those reps sure put on a show on that 4 o'clock hour. Yeah, the ref show is not fun to watch.

No, not at all. No, not fun to watch. Woody, enjoy that Sunday Thanksgiving dinner. In the meantime, are you calling a game tomorrow? No, I'm off. I'm going to go to the University of Louisville, Kentucky football game. Go enjoy that tomorrow. I'm on my alma mater, the Cardinals, root for a win.

I was able to see some pictures on your Twitter. It looked like you cooked a pretty good meal yesterday. Yeah, I got a little heat. Like when you smoke it, the outside is going to be darker. Like the inside was perfect. I don't know what. Like people are telling me about it. About it being, it was a little, I, I had a little bit of an incident with the, I'm,

I'm a dark meat guy, so it doesn't really matter. Like, that's always going to be juicy. But I, I never use a thermometer. My mom's like, here, use the chicken thermometer. No, if it's done. And I don't think it was accurate. Like, I left it on a little bit longer. But it was, it was good, man.

We got after it. You know, got after it. Yeah. As long as you liked it, then what do you care what the Twitter bots are saying? Exactly. Don't, don't really. care. Don't really care. Don't care. Right. So I like you. All right, brother. Happy Thanksgiving. Thanks for joining us. All right, that's Eric Wood, joining us. Check out his podcast. What's next with Eric Wood. Escape QuickBooks QuickSand with NetSuite by Oracle. The number one financial

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at Nebraska, who's losing right now? There's been a couple of super suspect calls against Iowa. But Nebraska, three-win team, going against a nine-win team

in Iowa, playing at home. Nebraska is actually favored. So it's always weird to me when you'll see highlights on Sports Center or sports shows, whatever, that it will be, if Nebraska wins the game,

if Nebraska upset Iowa. But it's not an upset if you're a favorite, right? Jason Stewart, I'm correct there, right? I mean, it's not an upset. Correct. If Nebraska wins. Go by the betting line, yep. Even though it's a 9 and 2 versus a 3 and 18.

Yeah. You got to go by Vegas. rules in this regard. I agree, but it is, it's just hard visually and to understand that one, especially when they're in the same league. It's not like you're playing, you know, U.T. San Antonio against Nebraska. You're like, well, one team hasn't lost and one team's won three games, but one's U.T. San Antonio. This is, you know, this is Iowa, who's, you know, was a top 10 team for much of the year, and they're nine and two and six and two going against, going against Nebraska's three and eight, one and seven in conference play.

Okay, so let's get to the college football games. You know, Missouri is a team who is a 14.5 point dog taken on Arkansas. If you've been paying attention to Missouri football, you're like, well, the last two weeks, you know, they beat South Carolina a close game. They beat Florida by one, and that ended Dan Mullen's career. Their wins are over Florida, South Carolina, Vanderbilt, North Texas, Southeast Missouri State, and Central Michigan. Go and look at the SEC standings in the SEC East, right?

The only three teams they've beaten are the three teams below them in the SEC East. So now they'd be taken on an Arkansas team who also has three wins. And Arkansas coming off a close loss to Alabama. Their wins are over LSU, Mississippi State, Arkansas Pine Bluff, A&M, Georgia Southern, Texas, Rice. And they won three other last four. The question is losing at Alabama, does that, does that beat you up to the point of when you can't win and cover against Missouri? And just so you know, Missouri's losses, only Boston College was really a close loss.

Kentucky old in the year was by a touchdown. But that's one of those where the records and the hotness of the streak don't match up with the reality of it. Arkansas, I think, far better than Missouri. Different division in the same league. I like that. like Arkansas. Utah, Colorado, Utah coming off a pummeling of USC is a 24-point favorite over Colorado. The big game, Ohio State, Michigan, 9 a.m. West Coast time, noon, East Coast time on Fox. Ohio State's a seven-point favorite. It was seven in a hook yesterday.

I loved Michigan. Still like Michigan. at some point in time, you're going to be the smarter guy. The problem is that C.J. Stroud's really starting to play. And C.J. Stroud feels like he's the difference maker. It just, it's the difference in Michigan, Ohio State has been overall personnel for a long time. And maybe it still is. I mean, Chris Oliva is better than anybody in the wide receiving court from Michigan.

But the bigger issue is they just been so much better at quarterback. And that doesn't feel like it's changing. So the head. He says, look, at some point in time, you got to take Michigan. That's a really good team and a really good defense. But the old football, who's got the better quarterback? I don't think it's very close. I don't think it's close.

Auburn, Alabama, you know, Auburn without the starting quarterback, not going to be the same team. And then there's Oklahoma, Oklahoma State. So this is my alma mater, Oklahoma State. I think it's been seven years in row. They haven't beaten OU. last time they beat him was when Tyreek Hill was the punt return. And I don't know. I mean, there was a penalty on Oklahoma State on the punt.

And so instead of wiping off the penalty and taking the ball where they, Bob Suops decided to kick it again, he kicks into Tyree Kill, runs it back to the house, and they win a game. That's the last time Oklahoma State beat him. And then Tyree Hill got in trouble the very next week and got kicked off the team. So he didn't finish up at Oklahoma State. You know, I think where to go? Alabama State or something.

So that's the last time. And this is an Oklahoma team that we've been told all year how good they are. And really it's been like the Texas Tech game they played great. Outside that, they haven't played great. You know, they messed around with Kansas. They needed a great comeback against Texas. You know, look at how they played recently. And you're like, yeah.

And really, it couldn't throw it last week. I did establish a run. People are kind of making them dink and dunk down. the field and lost a Baylor two weeks ago. They beat Iowa State, which is a good win, you know? That's a good, well-coached team. But, man, it was a struggle. It was really, really a struggle.

I think this is one of those. It's a close game. You take Oklahoma because that's a program that's used to winning games. And not that Oklahoma State's been bad. They've been good, but not to this level. If Oklahoma State can get a lead, I do think that Oklahoma can fold up shop. Plus it's just the years and years of being beaten down by Oklahoma. And even though many of these players didn't grow up, experience it,

don't care about the past, it does get, there is a certain mentality you can get in your head. Ryan, for example, is working with us today. I'm in his head. He knows he thinks he's a movie savant, but he knows that I beat him up with all of my arguments about why he hates on the new Star Wars. He hates on everything.

But I know that for him to win an argument, it has to be like a hammer in the nail. It has to be a no-datter because if it's close, I'm going to win because I'm in his head. Jason Stewart, did you know that how in Ryan's head I am mentally? I did not know that. I know he's verbally denying it in the studio here.

No, he's vociferously denying it. Yeah, he's like he gets fired up. It's really upset. I mean, he's a Treki. I just can't help him. You know? He likes Lord of the Rings and not the new Star Wars is because he thinks they've sold out and they have cheesy storylines. They didn't just get cheesy storylines.

They've always been kind of cheesy. Kidding with Ryan. Happy Thanksgiving to your ride. But like, look, this is one of those you don't have to move. You got Gonzaga taking on Duke tonight. So Duke is the one with Palo Bancherro. he looks like the after photo, whereas whereas Chad Holmgren looks like the before photo.

I do think that Gonzaga wins because Andrew Nebhardt, who's their transferred junior point guard, senior point guard. I started at Florida and started Gonzaga, like really good player, and he's played great basketball, whereas Duke Wendell Moore is like their point, forward, center, everything. And I just, I think you need better guard play, and I think Gonzaga's got better guard. but that one should be fun.

And I'm already two, and we're not even noon here, and I'm already two leftover plates in, Jason, two. That's impressive, right? Like, and I'm not a, I'm not a leftover guy at all, but that's kind of what Thanksgiving is. I'm not a pie guy, but I do love pies at Thanksgiving. I'm not a leftover guy, but I eat leftovers of Thanksgiving. And honestly, I'm not really a turkey guy, but when mixed with all the little cranberry

sauce, little homemade mac and cheese, sweet potato pie, dressing, greens, and then some turkey, now it tastes good. Now it's really, really good. Really good. We'd even talk NFL games this weekend. Stu, you got my five for five? We got to give people the picks, right? Coming up.

We don't have to, what mean coming up? I already gave the picks yesterday. coming up because we're posting them. I like the Colts over the Buccaneers. They're three-point dogs. Take the Colts on the Monday line. Colts are playing really good football. Tampa is not.

They're not playing their best football. Doesn't mean they can't by the end of the year. I feel like this Indianapolis team is right there with everybody else in the AFC. I like the Packers over the Rams. Rams are a one-point favorite. It's going to be 36 degrees. And I don't care how much you have well. Matt Stafford has played in the cold.

He's been in L.A. for six, seven months. Anybody who's moved out to L.A. knows what happens when you move to L.A. And then you go back and you're in the cold. The first time you go back and it's legit cold, like it's 40 degrees. You're like, oh, my God, I'm never living out here ever again. Get me back to Southern California. I like the Niners. Fully healthy.

I think they're one of the best teams in the NFL. I do not believe in the Vikings, even if they beat the Packers last week. Niners, Packers, Colts, Bengals over the Steelers. And frankly, I like the Giants, the Giants over the Eagles. I know the Eagles have decided, hey, we're just going to run the football a ton,

and Joe Judge's team act like a mess. But I do think that play calling was a problem. I do think that all those guys are going to be playing for their jobs. And I think the Giants end up winning the game. All right. Colin back Monday, what Colin got right, what Colin got wrong. Follow my picks on Twitter at Gottlieb's show. I'm Doug Gottlieb, this is the hurt.

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