The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - Dan Hurley and the Lakers

Episode Date: June 7, 2024

FOX Sports NBA analyst Jim Jackson sits down with Colin to opine on the possible hiring of Dan Hurley with the Lakers, Caitlin Clark's adjustment to the WNBA, and the NBA FinalsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's the best conversation. It's all about cigars. If anybody knows me, they know, okay, where's Jimmy? He's at a cigar bar. He's somewhere smoking a cigar bar. And great people in cigar bars. It is some of the best people ever met in my life. Didn't think I had a commonality with somebody because you sit down and maybe they're a businessman or they work somewhere else, whatever. but then you start smoking a cigar. It's like, okay, what kind of cigar you smoke?

You start talking about that, then you start talking about family, business. What do you do? Next you know, you know, you know, you know, and it's growing folks up, really. You know what I mean? It really is. You got to sit and talk and have a conversation. Yeah, you don't have to talk me into it. It took you some time, though.

It did. You evolved into the cigar smoker that you. I'm proud of you, man. Thank you. You're welcome. I have your admiration. So, speaking of, Lakers had smoked a cigarette. if they could land Dan Hurley.

Do you think he takes it? Should he take it? With the changing landscape of college basketball, it's so difficult. I think Jay Wright was a precursor to a lot of things. I think he saw a lot coming early in regards to, with regards to the transfer portal, where NIL was going,

to pay for play, and not that they don't want to coach, but now you're basically coaching pro. You're a capologist. You are, because now in college, you've got to figure out the best recruiting for college coaches now is retention of your own players that's right of how to keep them it's hard and that means that now you're going to have to raise money to overpay to keep a player that's probably disgruntled and not as patient and now you're going to still deal with the bureaucracies of the NCAA also with board members also with alumni

also with you know um raising money you might as well go to the league you might as well go to the to the NBA or professional sports because a lot of the back noise you don't have to deal with as you do in college. When you're a college coach, you know that, especially at a major university, you're like a CEO. You're running everything. So some of these guys are just, if I'm going to pay people,

I'd rather be a pro coach. Yeah, might as well. I mean, because the lifestyle is a lot better, is a lot different. Well, you've done Yukon games. Oh, I mean, I love Dan. I love from an X's and O. from a coaching perspective. He's a little bit younger to me.

Actually, I played against Danny when he was at Seton Hall, my junior year, he was a sophomore. Bobby, his brother is the same age as me. We came out of high school together in 89. But I love his mind as a coach. Now, the flip side is that he's a fiery individual, like his mom, like his father, like his brother. They bark.

They bark. The transition to be able to be able to, do that in the NBA, especially with a veteran team, that's the challenge. Because you just can't turn that switch off. He's fiery and it works for a reason. It's the reason why his players respond to that. So I don't worry about the X's and all. I don't worry about basketball and putting basketball people around, Dan.

It's that other side of it that could be a little tenuous, especially at the beginning. So, Jim, let me throw this at you. I said this yesterday, is the Lakers were in this market, and for 20 years, there was no NFL team here. They owned it. And the Dodgers were good, but they weren't winning World Series titles, and the Lakers were winning. They own the newspapers. They own talk radio in L.A. It would be like the Yankees without the Giants of the Jets.

And they got arrogant. And they're not patient. And my thing is, now this is a draft and developed league. The new CBA, you can't have three stars. It doesn't work that way. Boston's like an outlier. My take is, are the Lakers built for Hurley, which is Wagner, Rhode Island, Yukon, take about three years to get us going.

Are they built for that? Well, the history will tell you no. No. And a good friend of mine, Antonio Daniels, who is the color analyst for the Pelicans, he uses this when he talks about the Lakers, and I think is spot on organizational arrogance. From this perspective is that, because the things that you said about the Lakers, for so long, and I was a part of an organization briefly, that we are the Lakers.

You should be honored and privileged to come here. Rob Polink has a great friend of mine. Rob was with the Fab Five when I was in school. Great guy. Unbelievable. But they do have a sense that we're doing your favor by bringing you here. Yeah. Do you remember when Ty Lou was offered the job where they were interviewing.

They kind of lowballed them, didn't? Well, listen, at the time, a five-year deal was standing for a guy that won a championship. Okay? They offered them three years and wanted to pick his coaching staff. He's like, hold, wait, oh, wait, oh, way, oh, way. I've won this. But in the backdrop was Frank Vogel, you know, I'll take it. I'll take the three years.

Darwin, hand, you bring a first year coach, second year coach in, with championship aspirations, understanding that there's a learning curve that has to be there. So your patience is not there. Now, internally, if some other things happen, I don't know. What is there to change now if you bring in, whether that's JJ Reddick or a Dan Hurley, their championship window is now. So what happens if it doesn't happen after next year? LeBron is on the back end of an extension.

You've got to figure out what you want to do at AD. Is it, okay, championship or bus year two? And if it doesn't happen, we blow it up, but we keep the coach and let him grow? Or do we search again? Because stability is one thing that you need, Colin, you know that to win. But if that... People think the NBA is a mobile league. Take LeBron out.

It doesn't work most of the time. No, especially when this. Listen, what are the things people talk about when I was in Dallas? They said, well, why didn't the Maverish work? This Tony Braxton stuff. This worked. This, this. I said, let me tell you something.

I was there five years, five and a half years. I had four coaches and three owners in that time period. So you tell me, do you think we established any kind of continuity, any kind of mantra of who we are as a team and as an organization? We had none of that. So how do you expect from a Lakers perspective, if you're changing who sits in that pilot seat every couple of years? I mean, philosophy, change defensive schemes, change everything. And now you're a coach too, where you really don't have control of your roster either on who's there. Players can smell it.

Oh, big time. They know when you're in trouble. They know when you're in trouble. So it's one of those things, man, that's as great as, organization and that's the that's when you're the Yankees, when you're the Celtics, when you're the you know,

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Good stuff. I'll get to the finals. I want to go Caitlin Clark. I have said, listen, she's okay with it. We don't know how to handle it. She's not fragile, and the media, we're kind of fragile. It's just really hard to go, every sport. Bryce Harper spent time in the minors.

Alex Rodriguez spent two years in the minors in Tacoma. Basically, Caitlin gets drafted. They give her a jersey, and now or later, they blow a whistle, go play. She's not, she's getting pushed around. So, like, my thing is everybody, she's going to be fine. There's a racial component. There's a gender component. We don't like to see girls pushed and picked on them.

You know, I was saying this early. We didn't let women box in the Olympics till 2012. Yeah. You know, we were protective. So some of this is just like, we're not, we're okay with guys getting picked on. We are. Joe Burrow getting hit late. Yep.

We're good with that. Some of that's, we don't like this, which I think Wright speaks well. But I think she's going to be fine. She is. I mean, the right to passage, right? The right to passage. You think Norm Nixon was happy when Magic Johnson came in? Seriously.

I mean, when Michael Jordan came in, he had his detractors, it goes down the list with men with regards to the right to passage. Football, baseball, basketball, hockey. It's a proven thing. Now, it happens in basketball, too. Candace Parker had her share when she came into the WMBA. Because she was a star in college. Because she was a star.

Now, the anomaly is she was NBA rookie the year and also won MVP. Yeah. I mean, she's one of the greatest players ever. The dynamic. See, everything is timing with Caitlin Clark. Because college basketball, I'm able to follow in and see the dynamic build. You're one of the few people that this college and pro. You did a bunch of you congeys.

Listen, the dynamic. People think, well, you weren't talking about Keating Clark. Yes, you were. You just didn't. pay attention to it. You didn't pay attention what was happening in the landscape. But she was doing this before the national championship game for people

in college that really followed it. The challenge is now that you go to the WNBA who's been growing. And those who follow the game understand that the league has been great for a long time. It did just happen. Yeah, the quality of play. Oh, the quality of players

unbelievable. She's the catalyst. She's the star, which by the way, Connor McGregor was for the UFC, but the UFC, but the UFC over 10 years was getting better fights, better cards, better fighters. And then Connor just made it explode. But the timing was right. Connor was the right person at the right time for the right products. Yeah.

And what people don't understand is that as good as Angel Reese is, her story is a lot different than Caitlin's. Caitlin's story sells to Middle America, to the East Coast, to the West Coast, to the South. Classic Midwest Underdog. That's a story. So many times you don't have to be the best player, but your story is a lot better and more intriguing. So now you're drawing more eyes. That's not making it right, wrong, or indifferent.

That's not saying she's better than Angel Reese or whoever. That's irrelevant. What's relevant is the story and the timing. Yeah. And the challenge for the WNBA is accepting what comes with that, with her start. With Conrader McGregor. with Connor McGregor.

It's going to be lights and dislikes, but now you've got more eyes on the TV, and you're going to get, that adds more criticism too. Sure. The thing I think that the WNBA, and to their credit, they're like, listen,

a lot of people now is just coming on board and want to say stuff. You haven't been following, but that's what happens. Right. It happens with every sport. Casuals pour in with big opinion. Listen, you think from a minority perspective

with the eyes on PGA when Tiger came, then all of a sudden the casual fan came in and became golf experts when Tiger came. Because the story was so phenomenal. You had people that really didn't watch Saturday, Sunday, or even Friday golf. But it's the same

thing here in regards to the new eyes, and now you've got more opinions. Yeah, sometimes the story isn't the best player. Baker Mayfield for a year was the story in the NFL. Number one pick, brash, cocky, won the best player, but he was a story. He was a story. He was on nine

commercials as a rookie. Well, people can follow that they can buy into it and listen step curry wasn't the best player but his story for davidson and growing and this and wild three point okay is he a better player than lebron james no but his story of how he got to where he's at and what changed is a is is is very intriguing yeah step is the only basketball player my son wasn't a big athlete that like he liked he was small. He was thin. My son's, oh, I could be that. The best story is not always the best player. It just

certain athletes and politicians make us feel something. There's a connectivity, right? There's a connectivity. Let's talk finally the finals. Sometimes I pick Denver Celtics finals. But Minnesota's GM

formerly Denver's built Minnesota to beat Denver. I think Denver would a clobbered Dallas. I don't think they matched up. So now I watch a Dallas team that's hot but flawed, very offensively lobsided, very much about two guys.

I watched last night and I thought, hell, Tatum didn't play great and they still rolled them. Is it possible that Dallas got a huge break, that Minnesota knocked out the team that would have beaten them Denver? They matched up very well with Minnesota. And Dallas may be a little

overwhelmed in this series. They just don't have all the pieces to defend all of Boston shooters. But isn't that what happens in sports, though? Because that's the beauty about the playoffs and the regular season. And think about this too, how seeding matters at the end of the season. Denver wins a few more games. Maybe there are a higher seed than Minnesota.

And things work out differently. Denver led by 20 in game seven. You mean, things work out. Maybe it's not OKC at the top, but that's how it works out. The only thing you can do as a team is prepare yourself to win and play. whoever's in front of you okay whatever happens in the other series you can't control now but we all get down to it when you get to hear it's all about matchups Denver is a better matchup for probably in a long run for Boston but Minnesota was a better matchup to beat Denver

okay so that's how this thing circulates now when you look at Boston playing the mabs the The advantage Dallas had against one of the best defensive teams in the league was that it was a rim-protecting team. This is a, they can do wing defending here. So again, Antonio Daniels says this, defensive versatility. What would you rather have a rim protector or five guys that can guard over the court? That's the Celtics. OKC had a little bit of that too. But they weren't mature enough to stay fundamental.

That's right. So OKC's a younger, less mature. less refined Boston. Exactly. So the thing about Minnesota is like this, it's like little things. So everybody's saying, what Rudy Gobert, the drop coverage,

the lob passes. Well, guess what? Boston played some drop coverage, but they were disciplined enough not to inch in on the baseline and give up that corner three where, you know, Anthony Edwards and Alexander

would inch in and bite for Luca and bite for Kyrie for that floater and then they spread it out to the corner. If you notice, it wasn't a lot of open corner threes for the Mavs. Boston's game plan, okay, we're going to drop coverage. We're going to force Kyrie and Luca to make tough twos. We don't care if you make two-point shots. You make two-point shots.

We want to eliminate those corner threes. And then on offense, what we have the advantage is, okay, where's Luca? He's over there. Put him in his pick and roll. We're going at him. Oh, you want to switch, bring him back. We're going to attack, force you to help. rotate, attack again,

force you to rotate, then we're going to get shots. And that's what you saw last night from Boston. Beautiful thing. You can have a cigar tonight? Let me see. Let me see. I'm going to work out in about an hour. I would say about 3.30. J. Mack, those afternoon cigars. Are the best.

What a little, come on, we've got to have a little double espresso. It's like being in Florence, Italy. Speaking of which, I think, I'm going to envision that. I'm going to bring that to Frisch. Have you ever been to Florence? Oh my God. Pizza, baby. Walking.

What? All day with a cigar. Man. Talk to me. Jay Mack, you should come in. It's a real life. It's a real life. He's a real one.

Stop. Stop pooping, Jay Mack. Just put the ball up, bro. Come on over to the grown folks. Stop. He's a real one. It's a real life. None of that nonsense.

You shoot and chucking up trees. Yeah. Checking up people, man. I'm like, man, stop it, man. All right. We're just going to take a break and go to your, we don't need her lines. Let's go to your, what do you call it? your headline thing.

We don't really need. Nothing against your updates. They're very fantastic, but Jim filled the space. Sintillating. I'm more than happy. Back in a second, when it comes to protecting those that matter most, you need a home security system you can trust for years. That's been Simply Safe.

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We'll see. Dodger staff. Missing a couple of arms. Are you ready to go? We got it. Should be close. Good series. Good series.

Now, also London, Phillies, the Mets. Philly's are having a great year. Mets or the Mets. So you do a couple of NBA, you do a couple of NFL, and you've got baseball. So you are, it's a veritable sports page. You've got, you know, you've got, you might as well have an outdoor in a prep section. You got everything. So here we go. We call it tomorrow's headlines today.

We're guessing what's going to happen. J-MAC is game two of the finals after that monstrosity last night, that abysmal showing by Dallas. Yeah, Boston blood back. in game one, just that first quarter avalanche of three-pointers. However, we know Dallas, they've gotten, I think they trailed it by 25 in three game ones this postseason. They're three in oh in game two. Yeah. So they bounce back in game two. The headline will be Luca out below. Mavalanche, Barry's Boston. Ah, yes, I like Luca with the bounce back. Now, Jim Jackson just mentioned

no corner threes from Dallas last night, which was weird. Well, guess what else there was? No lobs. No, none of those Luca Ali Ups to Lively and Gafford for easy dunks. Boston took all of it away. But you get an extra day here in the finals prepare. Remember, next game's until Sunday night. I believe Dallas will make some adjustments. And in that third quarter, they unlocked a couple things.

Remember, when they had that big run to get back and cut it to eight, a lot of driving to the basket. There's no rim protection outside of Porzingis. He didn't start the second half. They had Horford on the court. They just kept running layups. Then Luca hits a couple threes. So I think they're able to unlock a couple of attacking moves.

towards the basket. And then like you said, Kyrie Irving just has to play better. He missed, I think, two wide open threes. Like no defender even close to him. And it's not like Boston was unbelievable from deep after the first quarter. So I just got this number. 7 of 15 from deep in the first quarter.

Rest of the game, 8 of 27. So they kind of like, you know, level that. That's very Boston. They're hot and cold, but they're hot. They bury you. And if they're hot again in game two, they'll win, but I don't think they stay hot. So give me Dallas in game two, Luca bouncing back. Luca out below. I like that. Tomorrow's headlines today.

What's the headline for Dan Hurley, the great Yukon coach, being wooed by the Lakers? So we've gone back and forth on this, right? Initially, we were like, this is not that big of a deal. It's probably not serious. And now it's like, well, wait a minute. Some of the things line up here. It makes sense for Hurley. He's out here in L.A. currently the headline will be.

Yukon have him. Lakers twist arms to get Dan deal. Don't. Look at Jeannie Buff there. And LeBron. I think LeBron is the biggest X factor here, Colin. But let's start with Hurley. So he's coached at Wagner, Rhode Island and Yukon. And much like Jim Harbaugh, everywhere he's gone, saw rapid improvement. And he turned things around and all those programs quickly. He's a very good coach and can build something. The question here is, how does LeBron handle this? Because this is essentially a signal. You and Clutch had a good run.

You got to pick players. You got to pick coaches. We hear you wish you had Kyrie. you wish you had Tailu, it's our show now. Also, LeBron doesn't love young players. It's going to be a little dance here. I don't want to go too, you know, we like strong takes, right? Not too many hot takes, but I think that if Hurley's the guy, I think a legitimate question is, does LeBron want to be part of a quasi-rebuild? Because they're not going to tear it down, obviously.

But I don't think they're contending. If you're getting bringing in Hurley, you're like, okay, let's start to lay the groundwork for something for the next few years. You can't look at the west. Forget the east. You can't look at the west. Minnesota stars 22. Denver's is older, 28, 29. OKCs are both young kids.

You start looking at the west, Dallas, Luca. Lakers don't have that. Austin Reeves is their young star. He's a three to a four on a championship team. So in the end, how do they not look at that and think the future is not LeBron? The future is draft and developed. Well, let's see what happens with Hurley this weekend, but this is a legitimate question. Do the Lakers, if they decide Hurley's their guy, does LeBron say, I'm sorry, it's not a great fit for me, and does he look elsewhere?

No, no. Okay. I think you'll probably stick it out, but I think there's a discussion to be had. Does LeBron not want this? Remember, Tim and JJ Reddick started a podcast. Next thing you know, Reddick's the favorite. And now Reddick is not the favorite anymore, Colin? Well, I think the Lakers want LeBron to end his career here.

good for a lot of things, but I also think they want their franchise back. And Dan Hurley would signify they got their franchise back. I tend to agree. Televaro's headlines today. Some NFL stuff. What's going to be a headline for the noisy

cowboys CD Lamb and Micah want their money? You know, I tried to gently push the idea upon you of like trading Micah or dangling C.D. Lamb to get because you know who they got to take care of. The headline will be yeho, DAC up the Brinks truck, Colin.

Give all the money to MVP runner-up. When you mentioned all these DAC notes, you didn't mention he was a runner-up for the MVP award this year, huh? Interesting how you omitted that. Most verbal player? In a contract year, DAC was the MVP runner-up. Colin, listen, the salary cap keeps going up in NFL.

It does. Not huge, but it keeps bumping up. I just, I look at the Kyler-Marie $46 million a year number, and I say, you give back 47 or 48. And he should be more than fine with that. Now, if they can't figure out a deal and DAC's like, give me 50, 55, I think DAC looks a little silly when it gets out in the press. So I think anything above that Kyler-Marie 46 probably gets this done.

And then you move to C.D. Lamb and Michael Parsons, but you have said this for years. Quarterback is the most important position in all of sports. It's overtaken shortstop and point guard or whatever you want in the NBA. Quarterback is everything. You have to figure it out. And I don't know. If you don't have DAC on that team and you have Micah and CD, you're not going anywhere.

Don't try to tell me that you're going to find a Brock Purdy and put him in there. Listen, man, Dak was the MVP runner up. He gets you 11-12 wins every year. You're in contention. And if things break your way, great. I know that's not good enough for some people who only chase trophies. But I think you've got to pay DAC first in Dallas. All right.

Tua. Let's go. Tomorrow's headlines today. Tua's next contract. You're just handing out the bag like you're a Major League Baseball Yankee owner. You got no limitation. Santa Claus over here. Listen, you've got to pay quarterbacks.

Now, you don't have to go overboard, but for Tua, the headline will be. Can't hardly wait. Skinny Tua gets fatter pockets. Yes, you got to pay Tua. Listen, I looked at his season, Colin. He was phenomenal this year. Again, it was a tour. You got to prove it this season.

What did he do? He proved it. He was outstanding. I know he kind of crapped the bed in Kansas City. I don't like him. Sub 30 degrees weather. I think he throws a better ball than Dak. He's a more accurate processor and thrower than Dak.

Dak's a bigger straw. You know, Dak is good. I don't dislike to. I just think he's small. Yeah, he's limited. We get that. You know, and the cold weather playoff games are going to stink for him and whoever else is the Miami quarterback.

But I just go back to what we talked about. with McDaniel last hour where he's like, hey, we haven't won a playoff game in 23 seasons. You can't reboot this thing, Colin, and say, oh, we'll just start all over. Listen, Tyree Kill, sorry, bud. I know you and Drew Rosenhouse want a new deal? I mean, it's not going to happen. You got to pay too.

And if you got to move off Tyree Kill, is it the worst thing in the world? Kansas City got a nice little haul for Tyree Kill. I know they have Mahomes and Reed. But you're telling me you couldn't get a nice haul for Tyree Kill. Jail and Waddle, hey, you're our one. And we're going to figure it out at wide receiver. you have to pay Tua. Again,

Kyler Murray is the flashpoint for me, 46 mil for that guy per year. Tua is not a $47 million guy? Not to me. You're a tough driving owner, man. Pay big money infrequently. That's the rule. Okay.

Enjoy the seller. Yeah. It's fun down. Finally, huge, biggest baseball regular season series in forever. Tomorrow's headlines today in Gotham. New York, Dodgers, loaded, Yankees, loaded.

Not even at full strength, they're missing arms, it's still a huge series. Yeah, so out here, I've been a Dodgers fan, been out here for eight years now, like going to the games, easy to root from. I have Dodgers gear, but I was born in New York. At heart, I'm a Yankees fan. The headline will be no sleep till Brooklyn.

Dodgers' bats can't wake up in New York. I got the Yankees win in the series. Colin, listen, right now there's no hotter team in baseball. Yankees are on fire, best record. I do agree with you that this is, like, like you turn on the game and it's MVP candidates all over the field. Literally every other at bat is an all-star. Yeah.

Like both teams. Every other at bat is an all-star. Yeah. Now, interestingly, I just looked this up. Tonight's game is on Apple TV. I have that. It's almost like Major League Baseball's taking a page out of the NFL. Oh, wait.

They put Patrick Mahomes on Peacock for a big game. Oh, why don't we do that with Apple TV? Yeah. It's going to drive some subs for sure. It's not going to be messy level impact. No, but I got Apple TV. Yeah, people are going to get Apple. They don't want to miss Yankees.

This is a World Series preview. And then tomorrow night it's on Fox. It should be a great series. I'm taking the Yanks in two out of three. I don't think they'll get the sweet. But this is, like you said, the biggest series of the season. You could argue the biggest regular season matchup in a couple of years, no? No, it's big.

Listen, it's, there's not many brands like the Yankee. People freaked out last year when the Yankees had a down season. And it's like they hadn't had a down season. It felt like in 15 years. I mean, Alabama, before Sabin got there was a bad. bit of a mess. Everybody has down seasons. I'll just say those, it felt like a down season when they kept losing to the Astros in the postseason, the cheating Astros. Those are pain for loss. No, the Astros now are on the up and up. They've cleaned up.

Yeah, and they're not, oh, so they're not cheating anymore. Nice. Well, they had a little, they had a little spell there. They went a little sideways. Hopefully Soto's okay. I haven't seen the absolute latest in the last five minutes, but, you know, we'd like to see him on the field for the, for the series. He's great. You know, we, you and I always, we talk off the air or behind the scenes on like what's tomorrow's topic between the w nba and baseball that we we thought this week was going to be a nightmare it was like there's no topics until friday and w nba we had a rod on dave roberts on we had some nfl news a good week dan hurley dan hurley which is i got to tell you it's it's not a slam dunk because you know and this is big his wife's from new jersey

he has a beautiful home in a great state, a dominant program. It's not, now, he's going to get $12 million from $5 million. California and housing prices gobble up 90% of that. Stop it. Come on. That tax nonsense. Listen, I had a beautiful home and a pool and a great yard in Pennsylvania and a nice state. And, you know, L.A. came calling.

I was like, I got to go, you know? So Hurley, maybe he wants a new adventure. You don't have a big yard here. Would you not have a big yard here? Yeah. So what if Hurley's got three dogs? you're not going to get a yard here you get a nice house he's going to not a nice place probably in the south bay

like Jim Harbaugh relocated I don't know I'll just say I think it's fun for Hurley to come out a new experience in life his kids are college age they're not like in elementary school middle school Hurley out here would be interesting now where it gets real spicy

what if Hurley says no this weekend Redick kind of has the Lakers in a tough spot you could just you know name his price does someone else emerges another candidate do you go Borrego, which would be a bit of a letdown. AD would be happy.

But hopefully this early thing materialized. Well, AD has the longer runway in Los Angeles. That's who AD wants. So if you end up with a guy AD wants, that's, I mean, LeBron's probably got two years here, maybe three, maybe two. AD's probably got four to five. And then he wraps his career up. So, I mean, if he gets his guy, that's fine. But you don't have to pay that guy $12 million bucks a year.

You go back to sort of a Darwin-Ham salary. Does Austin Reed is going to say in the matter or no? You are so down on Austin Rees. I'm not down on him. It's just he is what he is. He's a very good guy. He comes off the bench for the Celtics. The best team in the league?

Yeah, he probably comes off the bench. Off the bench. You think he's a three. The Laker's standards a little higher than... Three on a team that went to the conference finals. Some breaks there. The team, getting to the conference finals and winning the title, a lot of teams get.

to the NFC championship. They don't win the championship. You know who else caught some breaks? Boston. Everybody was hurt this postseason that they faced. Yeah, but they would have blown through the east anyway. Likely.

Yeah, I mean, by the way, Porzingis was hurt, but they're deeper. So the idea that everybody was hurt, their third best player was hurt. Didn't matter. They're offensively, they are the most loaded offensive team since the Warriors.

Yeah, they are. I mean, Al Horford's a seven-time All-Stars. You're 38% from the corner. You go to the KD Warriors teams. That's the most gifted offensive team in 15 years. Boston's the best in the last five next to that, five or six. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends.

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