The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - Dan Woike

Episode Date: June 24, 2025

Dan Woike joins The Herd in studio to talk about the Lakers, Cooper Flagg, the NBA Draft, possible trades, and more  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Been a subscriber for a long time like many of you. And congratulations on that. Thank you. So it's interesting. Celtic sold for $6 billion. And I think this has been a topic on our show. Jason and Ryan can confirm this. I've been saying for years is

all these things are worth way more than you think now that like Saudi Arabia money is involved if you let them in, like live golf proof. There's a lot of money out there. Not just for the teams, but the individual. It's a great big world, Colin. Big world. So to me, $10 million, billion, I'm like

when Balmer paid two, people freaked out, I'm like, he bought it cash, there's no bank notes, he's good. So, they don't have a first round pick. There's limitations on the cap. I'm going to suggest that like the Dodgers, the way to win when Walters got to them first was actually R&D in scouting. Yeah.

Is that the first moves will not be players, but infrastructure? Yeah, it's going to have to be in the shadows, I think, right? And it's the type of spending you might not feel right away as a fan, but it's the things that, like, you learn to live and love over time, right? It's like when you buy a new house, like you don't want to put a bunch of money into the plumbing. Right. But, like, when you've got great plumbing, like, and you never have to do with it, it makes life a lot easier.

And I think the Lakers have made strides on this front, Colin. I know they have kind of that mom-and-pop reputation because it's a family business. I think over the last few years, they've really modernized in a lot of ways. But they're not all the way there. And I think they had to make strategic decisions still based on kind of sort of the,

how liquid they were as an organization, right? Where it's like if you're putting money into, you know, um, player services, which like they're very good with player services. They treat their stars and their players incredibly. Um, they treat their families incredibly.

Um, that's been true for a long time. You know, if you're putting money into that, are you putting money, you know, the same amount of money into things like advanced scouting or pro personnel. And if you're making, you,

you've made choices. Now they don't have to make choices, right? Or they, they certainly have to make fewer. I don't think anybody, expects Markwell they're coming to light money on fire. But if there's value added,

you can invest in that. Will you feel that as a Lakers fan in September when they take the court in training camp? Maybe not. And I think there is a notion that right away, it's going to be like, oh my God, they've got money now.

I saw the, they're dangerous. Yeah. This, I think, is more like a generational, like, this is going to be piece by piece over the next 10, 20 years where now all of a sudden they have the power of the brand, right? They have, they still have, you know, they'll still have the sort of that mom and pop charm, you know, like the fact that, you know, when Luca Datchez gets traded to the Lakers, like, who's there to like greet him and his family and the people

around him and his team, it's Jeannie Bus and Rob Polinka like hands on. That's still going to, that's still there. But Mark Cuban said he would do day to day when he sold it and when people pay 10 billion, they have a tendency to do what they want to do. I think she's the face of the Lakers out as a non-player. I don't doubt that and she's beloved in the community. She's a wonderful

person. But my take is they traded Luka without Mark Cuban knowing. So when I hear that, I'm a little bit of a cynic. So I wonder, Colin, like, and I don't know this, right? Because nobody from the Lakers is saying anything.

Right? Like, they have not publicly acknowledge this. The closest that anybody's come to a statement was a Magic Johnson tweet on this, and like magic doesn't work for the Lakers. So I think like nobody from the Lakers is yet. Nobody from the Lakers is publicly

acknowledged this deal at all. But I think what we can infer is we do know that Genie and Cuban are close. And we also know that if you're a Jeannie Bus and it's important to you that you want this world to be more than ceremonial, I

think is the person who's selling the valuable asset, you can do everything you can to write that in as best as possible. And I would assume that that's what she has tried to do. Now, now, how that plays out in the league, how that plays out with the board of governors and all those different things, I'm going to guess that what happened in Dallas was enough, like, it's not like she's not aware of it. Yeah. So my guess is that she did her best to protect herself as much as possible. I think she's so that, so that she will be able to do the things. Now, look, To your point, is she going to be the sole decision maker? Of course not.

Of course not. And also, if you look at Mark Walter's history, he went and found the best young GM in the league in low payroll, Tampa. That was like job one. So I can see Mark Walter saying, who's Sam Presti beyond Sam Presti? Sure. I mean, you know, Utah, Danny Aange. They got new young ownership. Let's bring in Danny Aange, who had played at BYU.

I think there's a dilemma here with the Lakers. JJ Reddick clearly did not trust the big Jackson Hayes. They need a big, and they're also unwilling, I'm told, to move off Austin Reeves. I've told you this very specifically in this room. I trust you. So my take is now two things are converging. They're not moving Austin, and they're not close to big enough. I'm watching Chet Holmgren getting better by the week.

I'm looking at Wembe. I'm looking at the bigs, Shen Goon. Not that I think it's becoming a bit of a point guard league. There's a lot of good, skilled bigs in the West. Sure. I think the small ball warriors now feel like they've got a hole. Yeah. I think, Colin, they need a center.

Yes. Right? They absolutely need a center. I think the interesting conversations that are happening around the organization is sort of like how much you're willing to invest in the guy if he's maybe not the right guy. Like you have this need, right? Like for sure. No question.

So the question is, with their limited assets, and we're going to take Reeves off the table here for a second. But, you know, they have what they traded for Mark Williams, is functionally what they have, plus they have a whole bunch of expiring money. So you can trade Dalton Connect. You can trade either a first round pick in 2031 or 2032, not both. And you can do pick swaps. The swaps aren't that valuable anymore, especially because you have Lukadansic. The expectation is you're going to be pretty good. Yeah.

So, you know, the question is, is like, how much of that are you? you willing to put into play for a player that might be the right guy but might not be the right guy. You know, Nick Claxton is a name that comes up a lot around the Lakers when you talk to people around the league. You know, Nick Claxton, if Nick Clackson was the center of the future for the Brooklyn Nets, he wouldn't be available. Like, you know, there's a reason why they're kind of a little bit in, a little bit out. And I think that's the type of, those are the types of decisions that the Lakers have to make going into this offseason. They know they need a Yeah.

Clearly, right? They also, I think, don't want to invest in the wrong one because of what they have. So they're trying to bridge this gap. It might have to be a short-term solution, you know, with the hunt for the long-term guy still out there. And that's tough. But I think the important thing, like if we're talking big picture with Mark Walter and stuff like that, I know LeBron James is on the graphic right behind me. He's standing next to Lukadanchich.

and Luca Dachich, that is the future of the franchise. And so you were making decisions not just for one year or two years that you have with LeBron James. You're trying to make decisions for the rest of Lukadajic's career. And you want to be smart and you want to be deliberate about those. And I think that's going to be kind of, that's the push pull of where they're at as an organization right now as they hunt for the center, is do they want to, do they push more in on a guy that might not be the right guy, but who clearly fills a need, but that,

then you now you've created another hole somewhere here's what's interesting i've thought about this the one team they should do a deal with who has a surplus of bigs it's dallas i mean i know you say what you want they have like four bigs yeah it's the one team that has bigs and would probably

you know what they need they need another playmaker sure because kairie's not going to be back and you say to yourself that's where i think you call them and go listen luke and lebron are playmakers we don't need a third we are desperate for a big. That's where I think the

Austin Reeves for Blank, lively becomes a conversation. Sure. And I think that would be a conversation except one. Nobody I've spoken to her on the NBA thinks Dallas will make a trade with the Lakers

just unless they really win that trade. Like very on the nose have to like that the fans will not accept another Nico Harrison Rob Plinkettile after the Looka deal. That makes the Lakers better, right? That that's that well has been poisoned. Now, we'll see.

I think that's a bad way of doing business. If you can make a good trade, you make a good trade. You should, it doesn't matter with who. But there's a, I would say, a healthy skepticism when I talked to people around the NBA about how a one-to-one Lakers Mavericks trade would actually work. But I think, I think the thing about, you know,

Dallas and their surplus of Biggs, One, they want to be big too, right? So that they want to do that. The other part of this, so Colin, is that when Lucas won, he's had a really good guard next to him. You know, the first time he went to the conference finals, he did it with Jalen Brunson there. The second time he did it, he did with Kyrie Irving there.

Neither of those players are lockdown, defensive, stoppers. They're on and off. They're players that can play on and off the ball. But the West is really deep, really young. Sure. New CBA. I think the other part of it, though, too, Colin, you mentioned is like, you know, they may be overlapping now with Austin Reeves, Luca Dachitz, and LeBron James. But, like, I don't think the organization is making Luca LeBron James decisions, if that makes sense, right?

Like, no one knows how much longer LeBron James is going to play for. And so, and, I mean, he says it every time he talks about. It's not going to be for much longer. And so I think the decisions you're making are, like, you're making decisions based on what's best for Luca Dachich and Bill. your team around Lukadatch. All right. Finally, we did this yesterday. I said after we kind of threw it together at the end.

At the end of our prep meeting, it got a lot of feedback, apparently. I saw it. And so my take is because of COVID, people dismiss the Lakers champion. My take is anybody in America that flourished during COVID, Tom Brady won a Super Bowl, LeBron won a ring, and the Dodgers won. All of us, doctors, talk show hosts, podcasters, everybody struggled with COVID. Yep.

There was, you know, government overreach in some states. I mean, there was just things you couldn't do. If you succeeded in COVID, it doesn't diminish what you did. It would be one thing if the Washington Wizards won the title. Sure. Okay, it's a crazy year. So I ranked the last seven NBA champs because there's seven different ones. Yep.

And I think LeBron and AD were easily the best one and two. Boston's got a better overall roster, but we still don't trust Tatum in a big spot. Sure. So anything here, I know. again, I like the Thunder. They have one score, and he had three bad games in the finals, couldn't hit a three, and Holmgren and J. Dub disappeared four times. That's not a legendary team.

Defense is great, but that's about 30% of pro basketball. Anything here bother you? Bother? No. I wouldn't say I'm bothered. The changes that I would make is I would move the Thunder higher, because I do sort of believe in, like, what they were able to do defensively in the way they were able to, like, kind of, like, impose havoc. on the game, their balance, their lengths, all that stuff. Like, just so good, so good.

So I would probably flip them, I think you had, what, Golden State 4? Oh, your Nick Wright said that. He'd flip the 4 and the 6th. And then I would flip 5 and 6, too. I would move Milwaukee down. Like, if you want to point to, like, the weird sort of season, like, the weird season was 21. 20 was a weird season, too.

But, like, having, like, I was in the bubble. I covered the 21 playoffs. I was at those finals. Like it was the first time any of us were in like a full arena anywhere. It was like most of those playoffs were played in half arenas. People don't like that. It was, it was a weird,

you know. But Janus at that point. Yonis unstoppable. I mean, by the way, these teams were all awesome, right? That Toronto team was also awesome. Well. Like Siakum and like just figuring it out. Kyle Lowry at that time is like a floor general.

Kauai was unguardable. Absolutely unguardable in those playoffs. hit huge shots. That Milwaukee team, that was pre-injury. Yeah. Janice was virtually... Drew Holiday, a younger Drew Holiday was really good. Middleton was really good.

This is one of those things. This is like one of those things. Like, anything you say about any of these teams is going to sound disrespectful at the bottom of the list. But they're in their all champions. I think the good argument for the Lakers is that team was awesome all year. And they were like... 24 and 3. And like what Nick said, and he's right, they were awesome the next year. Solomon Hill

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The KD trade feels so obvious. I'm looking for a crevice, and it just feels perfect. Does it not? For Houston? For Houston. Like, they can't. Yeah, I mean. Yeah, and they didn't give up anything that means a ton of their future.

Like, I think when you talk to people in League Circles, Colin, like, generally speaking, the thing that people are most afraid of when it comes to team building is long-term money. Yeah. And while Dylan Brooks made positive impacts on this team this year, that is, a long contract. Well, also, Amin Thompson, such a great defender, Dylan Brooks is less valuable. Tarry Easton. Yeah. You know, so, yeah.

Yeah, I like this trade. You know, I think obviously the market for Kevin Durant was really suppressed by Kevin Durant, like, you know, kind of helping dictate where he was going to play. I think the people I've spoken to in Houston, very happy that they were able to get him.

It wasn't like a full-on chase. If it was, they would have put more players into this and would have gotten done earlier. But they protected their assets. And I think, like, yeah, they solved a hole that they had on their roster. They have a late game bucket getter now,

you know, who's one of the most unguarable players in league history, and they're doing it on a team that has a bunch of young defenders that has offensive hubs. I like it. But to your point, again, whether it's the Lakers, whether it's going to be the Thunder next year, I mean, there's a ton of good basketball

doesn't be playing in the Western Conference. It's going to be hard. Yeah, keep your eye in Dallas. When all those dudes get healthy, that's a big front line. That in Cooper Flag is going to give you 19 as a rookie. They're going to need somebody to pass the basketball. Austin Reeves. All right, we'll see.

We'll see. Sometimes you've got to call the X. I like it. I know it ended poorly, but you got to get on the phone with the X and say, listen, I apologize. Let's run it back? I'll pick up the check. Let's run it back. You haven't met my wife.

You didn't like those calls. Great stuff. Boykie at the Athletic. John Middletoff with the news. No, no. This is the herd line news. Speaking of ending poorly, the Steelers, they've brought in Aaron Rogers on a one-year deal this offseason. But it sounds like this might be his last ride.

In a recent TV appearance, Rogers said that he's pretty sure that this is it while discussing his future in the NFL. What do you think, Colin? Yeah, I thought he would retire. I thought once Minnesota didn't come to fruition, I wouldn't have taken this gig because I don't think, I think we look at the Jets as dysfunctional. I look at the Steelers as offensively dysfunctional,

not culturally. So I don't think it's a, I mean, they lost. I don't, this is a team that has a really good, that center from West Virginia, Frazier.

They've got an anchor and that's good at Aaron's feet, but they can't get the old line right, even though they've drafted it. So I just, I don't know, I just don't, I don't see it ending well. Yeah, my question with Aaron is, if this doesn't go well,

and he gets injured and doesn't play that many games, we'll remember the great times with the Packers, he'll be a first ballot hallfamer. Can he add anything? You know, Montana went to Kansas City. A little cherry on top, took the Chiefs to the AFC championship game. If he were to get this team to double-digit wins and win a playoff game, it'd be a nice little way to go off.

Oh, it would be fantastic. You would forget what would happen if he does that is you look at the Jets and go, well, I mean, look at FARV. He went to Minnesota and flourish. If he goes to the Steelers and makes the playoffs and wins a game, it is very much the FARB journey where he succeeded everywhere except the totally dysfunctional New York Jets. If you could give me 80% of that Minnesota Favre season with this, sign me up.

That was so entertaining, that version. We didn't see that coming with FARV. Most people thought he was shot, and he was incredible that year. They got to sneak up on some people. The Steeler team, I don't think this is going to be sneaking up on anybody. Another story here, Colin, that despite being the number one overall pick, Cam Ward hasn't gotten the type of hype and recognition that most top guys typically get. One NFL analyst made a lofty comp for the rookie, comparing him to none other than Patrick Mahomes,

saying some of his stylistic standpoint, Cam has a lot of things that look very similar to the way that Mahomes likes to play the game. You know, I've heard this criticism, and I laugh at this. So people have said he was a no-star recruit. Okay, look at the best quarterback's an elite. Josh Allen had to beg to get like, was it a junior college scholarship? Aaron went to junior college, Aaron Rogers. Russell Wilson, his coach said, I'm going to start Mike Glennon.

Dak was a fourth rounder. Brady's a six-rounder. Purdy's a seventh-rounder. Mahomes had a losing record in college. Burrell had to transfer. tell me the quarterback in the NFL that was a high school all-American and an unbelievable dominant college player all the way through number one pick most of the journeys big ben went to Miami of Ohio not Ohio State Drew Breeze goes to Purdue most of the great quarterbacks

they had that Michael Jordan chip because they were overlooked at one point in their career Yeah, to me it matters the least with the quarterback position. I think at other positions, you know, you like your wide receivers. That's Stafford's an outlier. Yeah, you know, Julio Jones with wide receivers, number one recruit, number one. That's right. But Stafford was and Peyton Manning was. Those are total outliers.

Baker Mayfield was a walk-on. Joe Burrell was laughed at Ohio State. Cam Ward started at incarnate word. No one can point that school out on a map. I don't even know where that's at. Where is that? I think it's in Texas. I do think, though, the comp for Patrick Mahomes,

obviously most people are not going to have his accomplishments, but his style of play. Watch 18-year-olds play basketball. They're chucking threes. They copied Steph Curry. Most quarterbacks now run around and make plays. They play like the days of playing like Peyton Manning or Carson Palmer over are done. I think there's, I'm trying to think of the last, I guess C.J. Stroud is a classic pocket thrower. His comp was golf.

But those are like the last two, like high first round picks that are absolutely pocket guys. because Burl moves very well. And I would say Gop, C.J. can move. He just doesn't. He doesn't. Gophe is truly now with cousins being old, the only guy who cannot move at all. Even Stafford at his... A little bit.

A little bit. He moves the bracket. For sure. Speaking of quarterbacks, how about Arch Manning? After sitting behind Quinn Ewers for the last couple years, Arch is finally getting his shot at being the full-time starter at the University of Texas, although he has a ton of hype behind him, including opening as the favorite to win the Heisman.

Steve Spurrier. The old ball coach is questioning if his performance will match the hype. They've got Arch Manning already went in the Heistman too. And my question is, if he was this good, how come they let Quinn Ewers play all the time last year? Even though he was hurt off. Yeah. And he was a seventh round pick. You only have to ask the coach Sark.

How come you play that one instead of this one? Hopefully he'll say because we thought he was better than that one. Yeah. Isn't that why you play one guy and not the other? Well, I will say this in support of Sark. When you're Texas and you're recruiting five-star quarterbacks, Arch Manning and Quinn yours, there is some politics with it. You make promises to guys in the NIL world.

Arch wasn't quite ready. Quinn was ready. Arch is better long term. But if you didn't give Quinn the starts and the garrs, and the guarantees privately, he may transfer. So I think the NIL world, I think USC's got this situation going on where they have a five-star high school kid, average guy in-house, but you got to give the in-house guy some guarantees or he'll transfer,

and they'll have one legitimate quarterback in camp. So I will defend Sark and Arch Manning is, Ewers had more experience, he was capable of playing. If you didn't give him some certainties with Arch Manning, he may have just said, I'm out of here. In the previous year, Washington in the final four, they were a couple yards away from winning that game. So they had just had a successful season.

Well, yours also won a bunch of games. Yeah, so there are a lot of variables here, Manning, unique family to be able to handle this. They're playing the Longview. The hype, we're going to find out right away. Texas, Ohio State. I know. Week one, I'm pretty sure there's going to be a lot of eyeballs on that game.

I think we have never had a... He's much more like a basketball prospect than a college player. Because Johnny Mansell, Tim Tebow, Camp, these guys play, and then the hype. And then the hype builds. This guy hasn't really played. And it's hype. I mean, it is very basketballish.

If he lives up to the hype, he might be the greatest prospect in the history of the sport. Just given how much he can handle mentally and obviously physically. Well, I mean, just think if a bad team drafted him, just think of the merch. Oh, my. I mean, Tebow and Reggie Bush sold merch. But, I mean, not that you would draft him because of that. But this kid will be like a Caitlin Clark. He will fund mentally change how you're marketed, how you're viewed, your ticket.

prices. I mean, Arch Manning could be that kind of player where he is going to change things beyond winning and losing. He'll change merchandise, gait, everything. If he's really good, and obviously their team has been really good, I think University of Texas with the Manning brand has a chance to do like NFL television numbers. Who's going to miss any of their games? Arch Manning's going to be must watch. When's the last time college football had a game one and two to open the season? Doesn't get any better. I don't even remember it. Good as it gets. I mean, that is a...

I mean, I'd argue that three best players in the country will be Jeremiah Smith, the receiver, Ohio State, Caleb Downs, who I think is unbelievable. And if Arch Manning's great, Arch Manning, the three best players of the country will play in the game. Could be a letdown, too. I mean, Ohio State's going to be pretty good. So it's going to be a lot of pressure.

Arch Manning, you know, he got thrown in that Georgia game, tough situation, felt a little overwhelmed. coming out of the bullpen in that situation when they yanked yours in that game for a little bit. But, I mean, it's as good as it gets week one. Ohio State, the defending champs against Archmanning. I would imagine Peyton and Eli and Cooper and the whole gang will be there sitting front and center.

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does not want to interview with teams. So he's kind of trying to control things going in which I don't love. Cooper Flagg's a dominant one. Just does everything well. Brian Scalabrini, a former Celtic Celtic broadcaster on what he sees with Cooper Flagg.

LeBron has scored 50,000 points, doesn't have a go-to shot. I'm not sure he has a go-to shot. It's just a basketball player that makes things happen. LeBron's a freak of nature defensively. He's a freak of nature defensively. The Bronc can run point. He can run point.

Six-eight point cards. Six-eight point card. He trends like that. Yeah. I've never been a big believer that you have to have a go-to shot. Kareem did, mostly because in his era, he didn't have the ball in his hands. He wasn't a playmaker. He wasn't a shot creator for others.

And so when they dumped the ball down to Kareem, it's often late in the shot clock, and you've got to get a basket. So, you know, I don't, you know, when he was at UCLA, he was, you know, younger version, he'd run the floor. But the truth was, is Biggs usually, especially back in the 70s and 80s, overwhelmingly and early 90s, you sat in the paint and waited to get the ball dumped to you late. Here's Nick Wright on the Cooper flagged LeBron comp. He will be only two weeks older, two weeks older,

than LeBron was when LeBron entered the league, and LeBron skipped college. He turns 19, 19 in December of his rookie year. So the fact that Cooper Flag does basically everything pretty well is to me a brilliant place to start. He'll figure out a couple things he does great. Big brand, domestic star, March Madness Duke. I think it's good for the NBA. I mean, I think that's, I don't think market size matter, but I do think brand matters,

Yankees Dodgers. It's not just New York and L.A. It's that they're big brands. I mean, the Atlanta Braves and the Cubs. If the Cubs get into the playoffs, yeah, part of it's Chicago, part of it's the brand, Atlanta. And I just think a Duke basketball player who we watched a ton. I mean, he's the most watched college basketball player this year.

So it'll be fun tomorrow. It's last year I wasn't even looking forward. to the draft. I said this. Last year, the WNBA draft had seven or eight players I had seen play. The NBA draft was very international. A couple of guys from France. I'm not somebody that's watching a lot of that international league YouTube stuff. So I didn't have much familiarity with it. But I think this is one I'll watch. This will be an interesting draft. You know, I see Bobby Hurley sometimes at a gym in Scottsdale, and there's something powerful about that Duke brand. You know, you just see that that couple.

I mean, what it did for Zion, what it did for a lot of the guys over the Coach K era. The Cooper flag this year was fun. It was fun to watch and play. So when my first sportscasting job, I was lucky enough to get a job in Las Vegas. And after a couple years, the rebels had Larry Johnson, Stacey Ogman, Greg Anthony, Tark, chewing the towel. So it was the running rebels, and it really was a stack team. Stacey Ogman, you had like, you know, Anderson Hunt didn't become an NBA guy, but you had a lot of NBA size and length,

and they played those Duke teams. And the first year they played them in the Final Four in the championship in Denver. I was at that game, and they took them apart. Georgia Tech had a team with Kenny Anderson and Dennis Scott. I remember that.

And UNLV was a machine. The following year, and Bobby Hurley was there, the following year Duke had Grant Hill as a freshman. Remember that? and UNLV came in as a massive favorite, and they knocked him off, because Grant Hill was so good.

I still think he's the most talented guy. I think Grant Hill's the best duke I've ever seen. Now, Christian Laytoner was a better college player. Grant was a better talent. I think Cooper Flagg has a chance to be their best player ever. I think Grant, I mean, those Sprite commercials when he got to the NBA, like him and Kobe were about to take over for Michael, and then he just had injuries.

It derailed his career. Grant was pretty special. if Cooper Flag can be as good as Grant Hill was before the injuries, it's going to be, I don't know how the Dallas Mavericks ended up with the number one overall pick, some shadiness going on there. But they should feel pretty lucky. Yeah, you know, you mentioned Bobby Hurley. I had Schozyffsky on a month ago, and I asked him in all your years of coaching,

was there ever a player? I mean, he was there how many years? Was he almost there 40 years? All your years at Duke, what's the one player that ended up, knew he was good, he was better, and he said Bobby Hurley. He goes, I can remember watching in games and turning to an assistant, and he's like, he is, you know, the Hurley family, he's like, he's better than I thought he was. Bobby Hurley was such a unique, and then he went to Sacramento and there's that, if you remember, got into an accident there. Really bad accident and really scary.

I almost took his life, if I recall. Walking by him a couple times, you just, he doesn't quite the intensity of his brother, but there is an intensity to that family, you know, just at any moment. You got to just be ready. Yeah. All right, good stuff today. John and I will be back tomorrow. We'll have our surprises in the NFC. We did him in the AFC. Get ready, Chiefs fans. Hey, there's nothing wrong with being a wildcard team. You're still in the dance, right?

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