The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 3 - Daniel Jeremiah

Episode Date: August 31, 2022

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Five chargers in the top 50 and the ESPN 100. I don't pay attention to those lists ever, except when five charges are in the top 50. Just saying. Same. Will he or won't he? You know, we've gone through the Me Too movement. We've had others that have either said things, done things,

written things, acted in ways in which they've lost their job because of it and because of behavior, unbecoming of whatever position they previously had. And John Gruden is probably the prime NFL football example. There were emails that were, many of which were a decade old. The NFL has said, look, this is actually consistent with some of the other emails we got from him that weren't as old. But there were emails that were sent to the league, which got him ousted mid-season last year.

I remember this is John Gruden, who, of course, won a Super Bowl in Oakland, I went to a Super Bowl in Oakland, won a Super Bowl. He didn't, wait, he didn't go to a Super Bowl in Oakland, my bad. They, they were competitive, they lost. Then they went to the Super Bowl of Bill Callahan against John Gruden who won a Super Bowl in Tampa.

And for the most part, had good success in Tampa, even though it didn't end well. And he ends up getting fired when he had kind of a rotating series of quarterbacks. Gets fire, goes to the Monday night football booth and kind of had the world as his oyster, right? He was doing the draft. He had the fired football coaches of America Association. He had the pre-draft interviews, which everybody loved. watching. And I was of the belief that the reason the Raiders had to give him 10 years and overpay him was he kind of had a lifetime deal with Monday night football.

Monday night football, they had been searching for a guy to be a personality, to have the pedigree of having won a Super Bowl, whatever. He gave them everything that they needed. And he gave him personality, Annie was prepared, whether he said anything, whatever, is Monday Night Football. He did a good job. on TV and they were all in. He wasn't going anywhere. So you had to give him security in years and in money.

And they did. They did. So John Gruden spoke Tuesday at the Little Rock Touchdown Club in Arkansas. The hogs are getting ready for this upcoming season one in which they think it's going to be a special one. Here's

John Gruden, in his own words, what I think is a pretty solid apology. I'm not going to say anything but honest things here. I'm ashamed about what has come about in these emails, and I'll make no excuses for it. It's just, it's shameful. But I am a good person. I believe that. I go to church. I've been married for 31 years. I got three great boys. I still love football. I've made some mistakes, but I don't think anybody in here hasn't. and I just ask for forgiveness and hopefully I get another shot. Okay, so look, he asked for forgiveness and I think anyone who wants to consider themselves a

Judeo Christian can understand and go like, listen, he said he's sorry. He's ashamed of it. Like, okay. Okay. You know? And while some of you can, well, he said church because he's just throwing that. Like, no, he's just trying to make a point. It's like, look, I wrote some bad things.

I've said some things which I clearly regret. But, you know, how you actually treat people is what matters the most, right? Don't get me wrong. The termination based upon what he's written, he doesn't make an excuse for it. But the most important thing in all of this is how you actually treat people. The next most important thing is what you say in the air you give up. off and whatever. But the asking for a second chance.

Deshawn Watson's getting his second chance and he is alleged to have sexual misconduct with up to, what, 24 women? That might be a non-sequitur. We're comparing a coach and a player. Okay. Here's the missing part to it. I believed in what John Gruden was doing in practice in terms of shedding the salaries like the Amari Cooper trade was a smart one.

The Khalil Mac trade was a smart one. They didn't have cash and they weren't any good. So why overpaid two players when all it's going to do is limit what other players you can bring in where you can get draft resources and sprinkle them out and rebuild the roster? And they did rebuild the roster. And even though they missed on like the last two first round draft picks, yikes. Overall, the roster was good enough, well, he's good enough with the spirit and the energy that Rich Besatia took over with.

They still got to the playoffs last year. So there is some result in the process. But considering he ran that organization, he was in charge. And I asked people, like, so how much of this, the draft picks are Mayock and how much of it is John Gruden? Look, Mayok does a lot of the legwork, but every one of those decisions is John Gruden. So when I say I don't think John Gruden gets another chance, it's not because of the emails alone. It doesn't feel that way.

And remember, if you want to think about how big a name John Gruden was, go and Google John Gruden to Tennessee. Remember there was a time he was with Monday Night Football and the volunteers thought they were getting, we're getting John Gruden. He was the, he was everybody's white whale. Maybe he'll come to Texas and fix Texas. and fix Texas. Maybe he'd come here.

Maybe he'd come there. Will he coach in college? Will he coach in the pros? He was the guy sitting out there, man. You can just talk John Gruden back. What a football guy. Did you look at the Raiders' draft picks? Have you seen how bad they were? You know? And you can go and go, well, hold on, listen.

Look what they were able to do, you know, in finding an absolute star in the third, it was the third or fourth round, you know, getting a defensive end and Max Crosby was the fourth rounder. Look where they got in Max Crosby. Like, okay. When Cleland Farrell and Josh Jacobs and Jonathan Abram,

when they're not given their fifth year option, Henry Ruggs is in jail. Right? Like you can kind of go through. Alex Leatherwood just got cut. You're like, I don't think John Gruden gets another chance because not just the baggage he brings, but the football decisions that were made.

And if the Raiders this year are better and the offense is better and Gruden was the play caller and you bring in, you know, Josh McDaniels who, like look, the worst crime Josh McDaniels committed was, well, twofold, one, being arrogant and stinking with the Denver Broncos or two, backing out of the Indianapolis Colts. That pales in comparison to either, one, the emails or two, running the ship completely into the ground with all these draft picks and whatever he wanted in a new city, like, I don't know. I'm all for second chances. But part of what allows,

the biggest thing that allows people to have a second chance is just talent galore. Like, the reason Colin Kaepernick didn't get another chance wasn't because of the kneeling. It was because he wasn't a good quarterback. He wasn't a good enough quarterback. He was a backup. He had gotten worse, not better.

Granted, the talent around him had gotten worse, not better, but he had topped out. He wasn't great. He wasn't seen as a leader. That's why go back and look at why he lost it. But the reason that Deshawn Watson does, because he's got crazy talent, you know? The reason that James Winston has gotten all these chances is because he's got crazy talent. And the reason that John Gruden probably doesn't get another chance? It's because, I mean, if the talent is he's a football guy,

what happened in Vegas in the decisions that you made? Football and, you know, the off the field, you own the off the field decisions of your players. The ones that you drafted, the ones that you signed, the ones that you got behind. I don't, I don't, it doesn't feel like, because in order to hire John Gruden, you can't hire him as assistant.

He's not coming to his assistant coach. he's coming as a head coach, right? So to hire John Gruez, you got to come in as the head coach, you got to deal with all that other stuff with the league and with anybody who's offended by any sort of email that's out there, right? And then you're like, okay, but what about the football decisions? Are those actually good enough? Dana Jeremiah joins us upcoming next.

I'll ask him if you think Scrood and gets another shot. Plus, I want to ask him about the Garoppolo situation. Does that work for the Niners? It's a weird one, right? It's a weird one. I give you an instance where, I got a, I have a parallel. I kind of made it yesterday where I just wondered DJ's thoughts on.

We got a lot of things to get to. I won't bore you with small talk about. Dana Jeremiah, in coming up next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. On Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeard Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games.

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went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you for finishing that sentence.

I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get Your podcasts. So I was looking here, it's always interesting how you do the, how many games over 500 you are, you know?

Right? Because, because the truth is, like, the Dodgers are 90 and 38, right? So, so technically they are what? 50, 52 games over 500. Is that right? You would say they're 52 games over 500, but they're not really 52 games over 500. Because if it's 90 and 38, so that's 128 games, 500 would be, what, 64? So they're technically, I mean, again, this is technicalities.

They're 26 games over 500. But I digress. How many games? The Padres are 13 over 500. So still, still, I bring up Padres because our good friend, Daniel Jeremiah, joins us in the herd. Doug Gottlie filling in for Colin. He is a gigantic Padres fan.

Where are you with your team? We're scrapping, Doug. We're scrapping. I like the way we're playing the last six games or so. So I think we got the Dodgers for three coming up next. So, golly, you've got to be competitive there. If they're competitive there, I'll be hopeful. But as of right now, I think we're in the like two and a half up with the last wild card spot,

only a half game away from the top wild card spot. So we're playing relevant baseball. That's an upgrade. There you go. Winners of four of five, of course, two of those wins were against the Kansas City Royals. So see you got that go for you. How do you think the Jimmy Garapolo thing will play in the Niners locker room? Well, you know, it's an interesting dynamic.

I don't know if there's really much you can compare it to other than, you know, You've got the Mahomes comparison with Alex Smith, but, you know, Mahomes, it just took off immediately. That's why I think, to me, the start of this season for Trey Lance is going to kind of be everything. If he can get off to a good start, it's going to be a comfortable situation for everybody. The team will fall in line behind him. And then you've got Jimmy as kind of insurance in case there's an injury. But if you start off the first quarter of the season and Trey is stumbling and not playing great, then I think it gets awkward for everybody involved.

You would think that the reason he would take six and a half was because there wasn't a better offer out there. Is that reasonable? I think that it's all about 2023. So it's all about preserving your value for 23. So if you look at it from that standpoint, he knows if he plays this year, he's going to be playing with one of the most talented teams with a system he knows inside and out with a play caller or the personnel, everything there. He feels like he's going to play well. and if he doesn't play well, you still have the last image of him playing solid football

and his value is going to be high and he'll get good money to come and have a chance to start somewhere next year. If he were to go this year and say, I want to think short term, I'm going to keep the money and I go to, you know, a place where it puts me on the field,

but I, you know, I go out there and I suck. Your 23 values completely tanked. I think this move right here just preserved his 23 value, no matter if he plays or not. they have a couple of guys in that roster. You and I have talked about Nick Bosa, Trent Williams,

you know, George Kittle, Debo Samuel, they got dudes on that roster. What do you think the likelihood of Trey Lance playing well is? Well, I can tell you this, like I play in one fantasy league, and that's about all I can have time to do or can find time to do. Trey Lance is my starting quarterback, so I guess I put my money where my mouth was on that one. I think he's going to have a big year. It's really going to be interesting, you know, because there is a little bit of the feel.

I know he's not Kurt Warner, but remember, Kurt Warner had this situation in Arizona where ultimately he took over. I don't think that's the case here. I think with Trey, they'll have a much longer leash. And you have a coach who, I don't know if you saw it. They kept, I think what they kept four tight ends and nine offensive linemen and, like, like five running back. It feels like they're telling everybody we're going to run the hell out of the football. Yeah, I'm looking at their roster right now.

They kept 10 offensive linemen, three tight ends. You still got used check. It's probably the best fullback in football. So they can do that. And you have two wide outs. And now you can Debo Samuel who could literally line up in the backfield if you wanted them to. So this is going to be a punch in the face team.

And I think trade kind of fits that that look. So I don't think it's a quarterback dependent team. I think he's set up where he's going to have success. throwing and throwing, running and throwing, I should say. Cowboys are going to put Tyler Smith at left tackle for now. Dana Jeremiah obviously does the draft on the NFL on the NFL network. How big a drop-off is there going to be between Tyron Smith? Remember Tyrant is a little long in the tooth to a to a Tyler Smith who couldn't win the

guard position. Yeah, at least this is a position where he's comfortable. So, you know, I like it from that standpoint for him and his development. But I mean, look, those joint practices with the chargers and the Cowboys, I mean, Tyron Smith pitched a shutout. And so even though he's a little bit older, he's still an elite, elite talent. And you're going to have a tremendous drop off for any rookie, much less somebody who's as you get there with Tyler Smith. So I'm happy for him. He's at least a position where he's comfortable, but this is going to be a big leap for him.

And he had a penalty problem in college. I imagine there's going to be a little bit of adjustment with that at the next level as well. Doug Gottlieb in for Colin. This is the herd on your Iheart radio at Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports Radio.com, Dan and Jeremiah, move the sticks. This is his podcast. You also see him on the NFL network.

And you hear him calling Charger games as well. Speaking of the Chargers, five chargers in the ESPN top 100. I know the ranking of the list doesn't matter. But it does feel like this has to be the year, right? And I know everybody, the division is ridiculous. You've seen them now. You've watched some practice.

You've watched preseason games. Where are you on the Chargers? Well, I mean, I'm obviously calling the games, so I'm going to be, you know, hopefully optimistic in any year. But this year it's a little easier than most to be pretty excited about what this team can do. And, you know, you talk about all the different editions they've made.

I think, you know, some of the underrated additions are on that defensive front with Sebastian Joseph Day, Austin, Johnson, Morgan Fox. It's a totally root-built defensive line. line to go with, you know, everybody knows about Bosa and Mac. So I think those are key additions. But quite honestly, Doug, being out there, the biggest takeaway for me is as freaky good as Herbert's been.

I've never seen him this comfortable and just kind of taken over the team. So coming off a 5,000 yard passing season, he gets a chance to play in the same offense for the first time as a pro. I think it's going to be an incredible year for Justin Herbert. I'll be shocked. If he's not, you know, if he's not the MVP, he'll be, he'll be in the top three. I just, I can't see him having anything other than a huge year. I know it's preseason. Justin Fields apparently pitched a perfect game in preseason,

right? Like all the stats are telling you he's great. Most people in your position have said bears haven't really put him in position to succeed in terms of weapons and offensive line. You got a different GM who didn't draft him. They're obviously in a transition year. They're just the waiver wire today. They're just loading up today trying to figure out what they can add, what they like, what they don't like. What's the likelihood of success for Justin Fields so that he becomes the new regimes guy after being drafted by the old regime?

Well, I don't have a lot of optimism for whoever's playing quarterback there to have success. And put the receivers to the side. I think they have some decent players there. I like Darnell Mooney a lot. They've got some intriguing guys, but Doug, it's just you can't play quarterback behind this offensive line. I don't care who you are.

It is bad. It is a bad outfit. And they try and game plan around it and scheme around it. I just don't know how you cover up a group like that. It's not like there's one hole in the boat. You've got four or five holes in the boat. You can't plug them all. And it's weird because Ryan Polzer, GM, is a former offensive lineman.

So you would think that would be his baby, right? Like I come in and this is the first thing I'm going to fix. One of the guys they picked up on the waiver wire was Alex Leatherwood, right, from the Raiders. And we were talking about the Raiders in John Groot. and John Gruden apologized, said he's embarrassed by the emails, but said, hey, I'm a good person. I would like a second chance. And my taking the second chance is, like, all the emails aside,

I know that would be, that would hinder him from getting another job, I'd have to question a lot of the football decisions they made in Vegas. Wouldn't that be a hindrance towards them getting another opportunity? Well, it doesn't help. You know, the Vegas thing, I tweeted out the other day. That's complicated. I mean, everybody's trying to pin it on one person or the other. I just said, look, there's a lot of cooks in the kitchen on some of those decisions there in Vegas.

I know a lot of people over there, not just one person, and you kind of talk to them throughout that whole process. And anyways, there's certain coaches, position coaches, head coaches, you know, people in the personnel department that have a lot more juice than you think. So that's my one aside there on some of the failings there with the Raiders. But, you know, Alex Lutterwood just was not that highly regarded by the majority of the league. coming into that draft. So now you've got expectations that got heaped on him. He failed. And now you've got to not only rebuild the player,

but you've got to rebuild the confidence of the person. Because not his fault, he was drafted higher than he should have been, put a lot of undue pressure on him. So that's going to be the challenge going forward. What did you think of the Eagles move to secure their second, to solidify their secondary yesterday? I liked it. You got somebody that's played well as a nickel.

They're going to move him back to safety. You know, you kind of look at these rosters. One of my favorite things to do during this time of year is just hop on our lads after the cuts are made and just kind of look around the different teams and see, you know, who you think some of the better rosters are. When I pull up the Philadelphia Eagles and I look at the talent and the depth that they have, I think they've kind of got like a sneaky, you know, top six to eight roster in the entire league. I mean, they got a lot of depth up front in the line of scrimmage, offensive line, defensive line. Now, Chonte Gardner Johnson adds that secondary that's pretty talented. So they're all poised with the injuries in Dallas. You know, I think the Eagles think they've got a real shot to win that division.

So it'll be good to see. If I was seated next to you in your office in your new Palatial State in San Diego, right? And you got that our lads up. And you had your top six or seven rosters. Who would surprise me the most that's on that list? You know, I think the Saints, when you go through it and haven't seen them up close, it's a really, really good roster. that's an impressive group.

You know, I posted today, I mean, the New York Jets of all teams had seven players get claimed that they cut. Now, the challenge is you got to win in the league, you got to have the eight, you know, eight to ten blue chip players. You can't just have, well, we got 53 good players. You've got to have the blue chip guys, and one of those has to be a quarterback. So, you know, we'll see how the quarterback develops. But you have a team that's, you know, got seven dudes that weren't good enough to make your team that make other teams. that means that that that's roster's in much better shape than it was a few years ago.

I love that. That was it. That's an interesting way of looking at it. Like, hey, look, people like the guys that they cut that they, but what about the guys that you keep? The guys that you are the guys you keep. I got a question about the Colts, right? The Colts are a team which they were a team. People thought quarterback away. Jonathan Taylor's a star at running back.

You know, the defense has, you know, great speed. They have some pieces in the offensive line. What does Matt Ryan have left? We're going to find out. I mean, it's very quarterback friendly, the way they've set that thing up with the offensive line. They've got big body targets to throw the football too. The defense should keep the scoring checks.

You're not going to be chasing points. Like all these things he did not have in Atlanta the last few years. So, no, I think he's got one. I think he's got one good year in him. And maybe it's more than that. But I would say, you know, confidence level right now, you know, I'd feel good about him having a really solid year. I don't think they're going to approach his MVP numbers because they're not going to need him to do that.

But protecting the football, making good decisions, I think of some of those, you know, I guess the Alex Smith Chiefs teams, you know, where that's kind of what was asked to the quarterback and they won a bunch of games. I think Matt Ryan do something very similar here with the Colts. Does Tua's lack of arm strength, does it have an effect on the effectiveness of Tyreek Hill? I don't think so, Doug. I think that the, you know, you could maybe look to. one or two games. I haven't pulled up their schedule, but, you know, they find themselves in New

England and, you know, in December or the Jets late in the year on the road, cold weather, windy. Yeah, you're going to lose some of the vertical stuff, but, you know, you're not going to have to worry about it in the home games, and you're not going to have to worry about in the first two-thirds of the season. I think the weather impacts the arm, you know, would be the only concern that I would have. Yeah, that's, the weather is an interesting thing. Okay, we're we're getting close to the season and everyone I've talked to who's been around the league and done the tours

has said Buffalo's the best team. Are you in line with that? Yeah, I think when you add the quarterback in with all the other pieces that they have and just, they're on the verge. I mean, they were right there on the doorstep last year.

They've got all the key components. I love the Vaughn Miller move. And I would tell people, don't even pay attention to what Vaughn Miller does in the regular season. They don't even care what he does in the regular season. They got him to help. close out, you know, two to three to four games when it matters at the end of the year.

So that, that to me is a key piece. Yeah, I think they're completely stacked and ready to go in a division where you've got some improved teams, but I don't know that there's a legitimate threat to them in that division. In the NFC, the Packers look like they have a really, really good roster, like defense, line looks improved, running game. Just the wide receivers, you sit there and go like, man, that doesn't seem to fit with the rest of the team. What are your thoughts on their roster in comparison to the NFC rosters?

Well, I don't think there's a lot of stacked rosters in the NFC. I would personally like the Niners roster better than theirs. I think the Rams are a little bit top-heavy, but I would probably, you know, it's a fair fight, but I would probably lean toward the Rams, and then I would probably slot the Packers then next. So, you know, they don't have that premier receiver. That's pretty obvious, but, man, the quarterback's so dang good. at the end of the year, one or two of these wideouts that we don't think are all that great,

are going to have huge numbers just because the ball is going to split their numbers. College football is kicking off tomorrow. And here's my question to you, okay? You've done the scouting, you've done the analysis. How much has it changed with all the player movement? Because now, you know, like Justin Fields, when he transferred, you know, you got to sit out a year and guys get a chance to, well, I don't think he didn't sit out, but guys used to sit out and develop. Burrow didn't have to sit out and develop because he was already sitting out when he was at Ohio State, and I think he grad transferred.

So without sitting out, how much does it change the eval process, the development process, with guys moving and changing spots year to year? One of the challenges that, you know, I don't know many people talk about it. We talk about the scouting circles. You know, we talk about what it is on the field and how guys are going to learn new systems and how they're going to perform. one of the biggest challenges with the portal from a scouting standpoint, Doug, is you go into a school as a scout and you want to get information. You want to find out about work ethic, leadership, you know, football intelligence. And these scouts are telling me they're going into these schools. They're asking about these guys and the coaches, like, I have no idea.

He's been here for three months. You know, we hope he, we hope so. We hope he's a great worker. You know, we hope he picks everything up and is going to be responsible and do a great job for us. But we don't know, we don't know these kids. And then you've got the coaching carousel on top of that where the coaches are moving all over the place and coming into new roster. So it's hard to get information and background on some of these guys. I think it's going to lead to some big-time whiffs and misses in the draft.

I would tend to agree with you. Well, can't wait to see those guys kick off this weekend and the NFL next weekend. DJ, thanks so much for joining us. Appreciate you. I appreciate it. A quick shout out. Happy birthday to my friend Curtis Hoffmeister. So I just want to throw that out there.

The Hoffmeister, right? The Hoffmeister. I don't know Curtis, but happy birthday. Take to you, Kirst. That's Daniel Jeremiah. Moved the sticks of the podcast. Let's get to Ryan Music with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news.

This is the herd line news. Hello, Ryan. How are you? Doing well, Doug. And I got a bit of breaking news for you coming out of the NFL. Okay. Multiple reports are saying, the Eagles are trading wide receiver and former first round pick, Jalen Rager,

to the Vikings for a seventh round pick and a conditional fourth round pick. Rager widely viewed as a bust during his time in Philadelphia. Clearly became dispensable with the emergence of Heisman trophy winner and first round picked Devonte Smith and the Eagles trading for A.J. Brown. That's correct. Rager's a, you know, take the top off of a defense guy. And that's when the, you know, what's interesting is, and look, there have been quality wide receivers that were taken after Jordan Love.

Okay. But what's fascinating is, like the wide receiver thing, even Collins done this. It's a very hit or miss in terms of drafting. It's hard. And there's a dude who was a gigantic miss. I don't know if Jordan Love ends up being a hit or if he's just a career kind of backup. But it is interesting on how much grief that dude got when no one's pointing out some of the wide receivers taken before him. Many of the wide receivers taken after him, they haven't done, they've done Bubb Kiss.

Rager's a guy who, I mean, even the, remember that it wasn't just that they, it wasn't just that they, drafted Jordan Rager. Wasn't Justin Jefferson the very next pick? He was the very next pick. That's correct. Yeah, that was a, you know, look, if we're going to be critical. To the Minnesota Vikings, obviously, by the way. Yeah, it was just ironically. If we're going to say, hey, Howie Roseman, look at the job that he's done. And they do have a very good roster. They all miss. That was a miss. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Howie Roseman has had a very, what's the word I'm looking for?

Interesting. Oh, just an interesting existence. A bit of an enigma. There it is. Here's what you have to think of. A friend of mine who's a GM said, hey, people make a big deal about free agency, right? This guy hit and free agency, it's like a 30% hit rate,

maybe 33% hit rate. Legit, in terms of will they live up to the value that you paid them? And first round draft picks, most people believe it's like in the two-thirds, like 60 to 66% hit rate. So we all talk about the first round picks and the one that people, they all miss. Yes, Bill Belichick has missed on some first round picks. Maybe a higher percentage of wide receiver than any other position, but they all miss.

They all miss. Yeah. So you have a wide receiver movement in the NFL, and we'll wrap it up with this, Doug. Cowboys will likely be without, or they will be without their eight-time Pro Bowl left tackle, Tyron Smith to start the season. Most would say he's likely gone for the entire season. Cowboys are holding out hope he could be back sometime December January. In the meantime, Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said on 105.3 the fan,

it's safe to say the first round pick, Tyler Smith, will be the starter while the other Smith is out. You talked about this a bit there with Daniel Jeremiah pointing out that Tyler Smith, the first round pick out of Tulsa, did have some holding penalty struggles at during his time in college and some have some questions as to just how pro-ready he is to be playing week one. Well, the good news is he's not playing a position of great importance, right? Like left tackle, it's one of those. These are jokes.

The game one is a fascinating game because Tampa seems to have offensive line issues and a very good defense. Sure. And the Cowboys have offensive line issues and a very good defense. Absolutely. The Cowboys, Colin has talked about it on this show. throughout the off-season. For the most part, you know, we'll go ahead and caveat this

and take your opinion of the Cleveland Browns and Deshawn Watson and any of that aside. Strictly speaking to football roster moves, not many have had a tougher off-season than the Dallas Cowboys from all of the departures from their roster and very little added in return. People have some serious questions about where they are in the NFC heading into this season.

Look, I think it's a very, the Chargers guys I talked to you actually thought they had a really good roster, especially in the defense's side of the ball. And that Micah Parsons is a complete and total freak. Like just elite, elite football player. And I thought the game plan was, hey, we want to run it a ton.

And then, you know, you got C.D. Lamb, who's a game-changing wide receiver, and it was supported by other guys. The problem is there's no, like the other wide receivers are. hurt. Mostly hurt, mostly unproven. Yeah, and then their offensive line has issues. So it's going to be going to be interesting.

Obviously, the Cowboys are the league's most popular and most talked about team. But some of the talk about it is because people love to see them lose. And you may get that wish more often than you would have thought based upon the roster moves and these injuries. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd Line News. Oh, you're going to love we got cooking up for you, the best for last. That's next in The Herd.

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To be clear, 84 is big to me not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you for finishing that sentence. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really?

Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Doug Gottlie been for Collins to heard, Fox Sports Radio? IHeart Radio app. Welcome. Welcome in. Two things I like to do, radio tricks. Ah, three things, actually.

One is kind of make you think. I didn't like make you think. I really thought of it that way. I love to plant earworms. Plant earworms when I'm doing my show. Doug Gottlieb shows this show on Foxport Trader. You know what earworm is, right? Levi go, hummed a hymn and the macaroni.

Hey, Margaret. All right, right? Like, you're like, oh, man, now it's in my head the rest of the day. I love doing that. The other thing I like doing is making you hungry. Because I'm hungry. which brings us to the best for last. It's almost the end of the show,

but that doesn't mean we're phoning it in. Nope, we grind to the very last segment. It's time for best for last. There was a non-tragedy, tragedy in Vacaville, California. Vacaville, California, I believe that is just west of Sacramento on the way to San Francisco. Is my location correct, boys? I think it is.

That's where Vacaville is. there was an 18 wheeler that crashed overturned, and on I-80, a truck spilled pasta sauce all over I-8, all over I-8. Like, hey, whoa, don't clean that up. I got some sourdough in the back, right? Just mop it up, which brings us to our best for last. So our best for last is my top five Italian dishes. Now, part of the Italian dishes are these are all delicious, right? And part of it is a lot of them. You got a little pronunciation there to go with it.

So do we, can we, do we have the numbers, the one through five? Number five. Bolognese. Bolognais. You guys familiar with bolognais? Bolognais is delicious. And, um, I think it's a top five dish, not just because, because of the sauce, but because if you get, if the meat's just right, oh, it's amazing.

It's a meat-based sauce in Italian cuisine, and it comes from the city of Bologna. Not Bolognais. Bolognais. You got like ground beef, you got celery, carrot, onion, tomato paste, a little white wine in there, a little milk in there. You mix it all in there, thrown on top of some pasta. Boulonais, number five. Number four.

This is a personal one. You can go lobster ravioli, but I'm going to do another way. I'm going to, this, I actually know how to make this. Butternut squash ravioli. You guys ever had that? It's a great, like, fall dish. And then you don't need a little sauce. You just put a little brown sugar on top of it.

It's like candy. It's like candy. Butternut squash ravioli. Number three. Pizza. Pizza. Now, my pizza, we could do a pizza rankings of the world. Obviously, Italian pizza is outstanding.

I would go New York City pizza. A close, a 1B would be New Haven pizza, which has the, like the wood fired. It's got a little, you know, a little cooking blackness underneath. But I love those thin, long, big slices of New York, New York-style pizza. Pizza. Number two. Truffle risotto. truffle

risotto risotto is hard to make it home you got to really cook it low flame I stink at low flame stuff because I start cooking you put a little truffle in there it smells so good right but truffle risotto takes a long time is a long cooking process to make sure the risotto which is like a

almost feels like a little right like Italian rice like soft risotto in general amazing truffle risotto is otherworldly number one egg plant parmesan I know, listen, you guys are like, hey, I like chicken parm, you're allowed to. This is not like a defined list that every person that eats Italian food or that cried over the thousands and thousands of bottles of sauce that poured out into I-80.

This is an open discussion. But eggplant parmesan is a personal favorite. Ryan, music, what do you have most issue with? Man, the eggplant parmesan over chicken parm is a tough justification in my book. The eight, wait, over what? Eggpan parm over what? Over chicken parm. Okay.

I mean, it's fair. I just, I love eggplant parm. There's a myriad of reasons why. It's actually the dish that hooked my late father to my mom. My mom, I think she only made it once. It was like, first time she cooked for him. He was like, I'm in. I'm a big eggplant guy.

I love all different sorts of big plants. No, listen, a good eggplant parm is fantastic. I just personally would go with the chicken. I will say one that I had totally forgotten and you absolutely nailed is the truffle risotto is so incredible. One of my favorites is a caccioi pepe. Yes, I know that. It's like salt and pepper on top of like pasta with. It's like egg whites.

Or not egg whites, sorry, egg yolk. It's a fairly simple, it's kind of hard to make. It's so simple that it's hard to make. Because if you don't do it right, you're like, what is this? This is just, you know, noodles. But if you get it right, it's very good. And similar is a traditional carbonara, which is fantastic. Cabanara is good.

Lazzania also, you know, people are going to throw a lasagna. Yeah. There's some other linguine dishes, the vodka sauce, the alpenae. there's a bunch of a bunch of different things to get to. So it's not a defined list. Okay, so look, now we get you ready. Tomorrow, one more sleep than tomorrow you wake up. It's a game day, a college football game day.

We'll get you prep for that. Could be Serena's last match tonight. So you can enjoy greatness watching Dodgers Mets or listening to Dodgers Mets and then watching Serena play. It just thinks like just doesn't move like she used to, but there's still, there's moments of absolute brilliance. But it's really more of a celebration. of all the things that she's done and brought to the world of tennis

and really them to world sports. Personally, I would say Steffi Graff ranks ahead of her in level of competition and in overall success. But again, like, if she's the second or third greatest tennis player of all, women's tennis player of all time, like we're talking thousands upon thousands, right? Have a great day. I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is The Hurt. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends.

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Listen to Superhuman on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On the Look Back at a Podcast. For 1979, that was a big moment for me. big to me. I'm Sam Jay. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a year,

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