The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - DeSean Jackson stops by The Herd

Episode Date: July 24, 2024

3-time Pro Bowl WR DeSean Jackson joins the show in studio to talk about playing for both Andy Reid and Sean McVaySee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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By the way, for people that may not realize this, you have 26 career touchdowns of 60-plus yards, most in league history, five touchdowns of 80 or more, tied for the most in league history, 34-touchdowns. of 50 plus yards. Only Jerry Rice has more. So to the very end, health was the issue, not the speed. You still got behind guys. So I want to start with this. Let's take Kansas City. They have a young speedster like

you. You were at Cal, Long Beach, Pauley, Cal, NFL. Immediately you popped. Xavier Worthy is his name. Now, when you came into the league, people said, well, he's a little light. That's the knock on Worthy. Your thought, if you had to give a young receiver, who's

under 180 pounds, advice. Do you know Xavier Worthy? What would you give him advice? Yeah, I personally know Xavier Worthy. It's crazy because, you know, in college, she reached out to me a few times. We went back and forth on Instagram, and, you know, just looking at his skill,

I actually did some scouting for the Eagles this offseason, me and how he got a little relationship. And, you know, he gave me like six, seven receivers, and I had to do some scouting on him. So Xavier Worthy, throughout all the receivers, I did scouting. And personally, myself, I would just say, don't make it bigger than what it is. It's football.

At the end of day, the reason why I came in early on as a rookie and has successes, because I came in and I didn't make the game bigger than it was. I was very confident of myself regards to the stature, the size. I was only like 169. 5-10, 169. You were his size. Exactly. Guys was like, oh, he's not going to do

this. He's not going to do this. But I think guys of his stature or our stature, we've been hearing that our whole life. So for me, I just always used that to advantage. You know, people thought I was too small, wasn't going to do this. So the nayserers, I just used it to advantage. I said, y'all think I'm not going to do this. I'm going to come to the NFL and prove to you I can do this.

So me, just make the game not big. You know, it's football. At the end of the day, every step of the way, it gets faster. Guys get bigger. But, I mean, if you got hurt and you don't let people hit you, see, don't let people hit you, Xavier. They can't hit what they can't catch. You know what I'm saying? So at the end of the day, just stay fast, man.

And Coach Reed, if anything else, I know he's going to put him in a great position to win. Yeah. So for sure, we love Andy. Now, you also, you played with Lamar Jackson. You played with, you know, Jalen Hertz. You've also played with older veteran quarterbacks, like Kirk Cousins, a Matt Stafford. So we have two quarterbacks in the league.

I think they're both going to hit. I think Jaden Daniels is underrated and Caleb Williams is properly rated. How many games will it take for you to go, that works? Like, do you need to see, how could you watch in practice? Could you see an exhibition game? What will you need to say,

Okay, that's official. That's going to work. Jalen Hertz, by the way. Did you see him early? Yeah, preferably. I was going to give you an instance on that. So when I was in 2019, I came back to the Philadelphia Eagles and we had Carson West was our starter.

Yep. And I remember specifically me and Howie Roseman sitting back and Jalen Hurst was the number two quarterback. That was the year they drafted him second round. They were like, why would you draft him second round? You just paid Carson Wentz all this money. Why would you pick this guy's second round? People didn't understand it, right?

So speed up, Carson wins gets hurt. Now we're in practice, we're in training camp. And, you know, obviously the second team always go against the one defense. So I'm sitting back in practice, me and how we're sitting next to each other. And we're like, this guy's going to be special. How he looked over to me is like, Dee Jack, you see that? I'm like, hey, you got something in that guy right there. He was making the ones look like they were like practice squad players.

And I was like, it was just something about his morale. He went into the huddle. He took ownership in the huddle. He was calling out the plays. And it was just, he was laid back. It was like the game wasn't too big for him. So I look at guys like that like Jayden Daniels and Caleb Williams. They got a lot of starts in college.

A lot of starts in college. And honestly, for me, I look at that to see like, how are you going to make the game look? Is it going to be bigger than you? Is it going to be too much? It's going to be overwhelming. Are you going to be complaining? Like, you want to see all that body language. You want to see when you throw interception.

How do you, you know, react to that? So for me, I'll just think those guys, they just got to show up early. But it's going to take time. you're not going to be able to see, you know, right away that, oh, they might be that guy, but you might see glimpse of it here and there. Well, you mentioned something I remember seeing with Dak Prescott. You mentioned you saw Jalen Hertz command respect. For me, it's not just the throwing.

Yeah. When I watch a young quarterback, is he in command? Exactly. You got control. Are you in control of the operation? Yeah. If I see nervous feet, if I see a guy that's lost at the line of scrimmage, I think the Jaden Daniels thing is interesting.

Because I think he's sort of Lamar Jackson light. I don't think he's as fast. I think he's better in the pocket as a rookie. Right. I watched them at Arizona State. You did. I watched them in LSU. I think Caleb Williams stole all the glare from everybody.

For sure. I think Jaden Daniels. That adds added pressure to us as far as Caleb Williams. Like I think, you know, he's, you know, he was at SC. You know, you're in Hollywood. You got there all the lights camera on you. But one thing I will say about Jaden Daniels and to your, you know, remarkings on him. I think he's awesome. I think, you know, guys like that fall under the radar.

You know, you're not the talked about guy, but you're kind of somewhat being talked about. So he has, it's easy selling for him because he doesn't have the added pressure. Caleb Williams, he has the added added, Kenan Allen, the DeAndre Swift, you got the rookie from Washington, you know what I'm saying? So I think like it sets up for success, but if he doesn't have the success, it's like, oh my God, like now what's next? You know, we just let go of fields, you know so I think it's a little harder for him to kind of like be set up for success but jane and daniels on the other side he's kind of calm selling under it and he's like you know it sets up for great success for him as well too who um of all the corners you faced in your career

so you were a speed guy you were often in motion which you often do with smaller receivers to get them free were there one or two corners in the NFL that you just knew sunday was going to be a tough day. Yeah, we actually, every time we played, and this is early on in my career, we used to play the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Akit Talit. He was a very physical where I received. Very physical. I mean, a very physical cornerback.

He pressed at the line of scrimmage. You know, he was like 6'3. His arms was like from here to there. And it was like, he always used to come to line skirm. But it was very challenging for me. So I thought early in my career, he was like the only guy that really like jam me. I didn't, I don't get jammed, you know what I'm saying? But he got me one time and I was pissed off.

I'm like, you know what that? never happened again. But guys like him, I used to face Daryl Revis. He used to give me some good times. He's physical. He's another guy that can get physical. But like one thing about Daryl, he like, he just sensed route, route recognition. He was able to read Rout. He was able to read the quarterback. And I think another one was like Richard Sherman. You know, he was a longer stature guy. He played in that Legion of Boone defense. Like they were crazy in their area. But I used to, you know, honestly, what I would say, guys never really wanted to guard me one-on-one. I'm not saying they wouldn't, but throughout the course of a game, like you got to follow me everywhere.

And I'm fast. So, like, who wants to guard Deshaun Jackson 100% of the time throughout the game? You know what I'm saying? So for me, I think, you know, I give a lot of guys respect and credit, but throughout the course of a game, there was no one that really just followed me around the whole game.

Like, they had safety help, you know, because they didn't, bombs over Baghdad. Right, right. It's bomb, you know, it's deep. So you played with Michael, Vic, and Philly, the legendary Monday Night Catch. It's my dog. I know you've been on your show a few times, man.

No, Michael. I love Michael. That's my boy, man. So Michael was such, I mean, when I was younger, you'd see an occasional Michael Vick in high school. Right. Maybe in college. Yeah. Weren't a lot of Michael Vicks in the NFL.

What was it like to play with Michael? Man, honestly, it was a dream come true for me. You know, I got a crazy story. So it was me, I think Shady McCoy and Jeremy Macklin. We was actually in the locker room. And we got a crazy call from Coach Reese. So it was like, hey, hey, young fella, how you feeling, man? I'm like, I'm good. Coach, I'm like, what's going on? You usually don't call me.

It's like, what would you do if I told you could get Michael Vick? I'm like, what? Like, you said Michael Vick, because, you know, she's fresh out of jail from a situation. So I'm not thinking that I'm getting this call from Andy Reid. He's telling me about Michael Vick, right? And this is when, obviously, we had Donovan McNabbier. So I'm like, oh, man, so he's like, what would you feel? I'm like, are you kidding me? Like, I grew up, love of Michael Vick.

Like, you know, he was like one of my first players that I fell in love with. Like, Michael Vick and Alan Iverson and Co. Brian is like three people that I admire my game after right so I mean it was a dream come true it was no other person I learned more in my career because you know how I grew up and how I was raised you know I always was hanging around my friends always had like extracurriculum homies hanging around so that's you know just growing up how I grew up you got the friends he was like hey D I'm gonna tell you this one thing go wrong none of them do is gonna be here for you he said trust me I had a situation where one of my boys I grew up with had a little situation and they

told on him and something crazy happened how he got into the situation. He was like, man, if it ever gets bad, these dudes not going to be here for you. So I just learned a lot from him because he said, you know, as a professional, you got to go to work. You can't bring these dudes with you. And I used to, I was the guy that tried to bring everybody with me, let him experience games and traveling.

But sometimes, you know, that image is not what you want to put out there. So for me, I learned a lot from Michael Vick as a big brother. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeard Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged.

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You had good coaches, John Gruden. Yeah. What's different about Andy Reed? I think Andy Reed, man, first off, like you said, I've been coached from some great guys. I think Andy Reid, yet alone, is the best that's been coached me. I mean, it's a father figure. It was like almost having a dad 2.0 to be able to coach and to be able to, like, you know, just command. He command respect.

He gave you a hardship, but at the same time, he loved you. So he'd bang on you. He would get on me, boy, so, I mean, when I tell you, I used to do things, He used to pull them glasses down to give me that look. You ain't even got to say nothing. You know he's about business. You know what I'm saying? For me, he was from L.A.

He was a guy that grew up and raised out here. So he knew what it was like. He knew the temptation. He knew how I tried to help and change the whole area that I was raised in. So he was just always telling me like when you come to work, bar got to be the focus. You can't be worrying about what's going on back home. This person needs help or he's asking for money.

Like all that stuff, you got to leave to the side. So for me, losing my dad in 2009, you know, I lost my dad early. I was 21 years old, you know, going into my second year. And he knew what I endured. And obviously, my dad meant everything to me. So me losing my dad and Andy Reid stepping up to the plate and, like, almost being like a dad in my life was like huge to me. And I would always love him. I actually just talked to him yesterday.

And he sent me a text message talking about I had glimus. He said, I had flashbacks today. I said, coach, what you mean? And I look at the video. And he sends me the video of my home was turning out and throwing the ball all the way back. And Xavier worthy, worthy catching the ball. I said, hey, coach, it's only one to Sean Jackson. He said, you're right, you're right, but you see that?

I said, I've seen that throw from that quarterback. I said that. He said, you would have loved my homes. I'm like, man, if I'd been able to play with my homes, oh, my gosh. You know what I remember? The first, now, I'd follow recruiting, so I knew who you were. And you were at Long Beach Pauley, which was sort of the roadrunners, which was kind of like the track team of the West Coast football. Exactly.

Tell me if you remember this. Cal hosting Tennessee, Brent Musburger, ABC, Ponger. return for sure 100% I mean I remember leading up all week because you gotta remember this that was my sophomore year yep so my freshman year we went to tennessee and got our butts handed to and I actually scored in that game you know I scored I did okay but I was a freshman playing in Tennessee that game 110,000 white and orange towels going I'm like I'm looking to the stand like wow this is big time football right so year two they come to cow all week in practice this punters talking about I'm putting the ball.

He didn't do nothing last. I'm putting him a ball. So I'm reading all these, all these, these, uh, these messages or whatever the case may be at all these articles. And so the first, first come up in the game, they went three and out. All stuff. Here comes the wizard. Here comes the wizard of return.

The wizard of Oz returns, right? So I go out there, he booted, he kicks him. I'm like, oh, my gosh, so he kicks it. And what's crazy is I felt the guy coming down. So it was a gunner. He got like a free release and I, my, my, my guy didn't block him. Right? So I'm looking.

I'm looking. I'm looking. I'm looking. I catch it and I jump back, so I make a miss. The move. The move, right? So once I moved here, I looked to the right. It was another guy coming down.

I'm like, oh, man, how am I do this? So I, like, jump forward and jump back on them. And from there, man, it was all here. Brent Musburger went nuts. We should try to find that. I remember watching that, and you did sort of a Michael Jackson moonwalk. Yeah. And Musburger had never seen it.

Right. And Brent went nuts. Yeah, he lost his mind, man. Now, Berkeley's, I don't look at you and go, Tony Gonzalez went to Berkeley. I'm like, Tony, how did you, hippies? Living in trees. They was living in trees because around this time,

they was trying to redo the stadium. And they didn't want. Did you like it? I loved it. I mean, for me, growing up in Los Angeles, California, and, you know, I committed, I gave a soft commit to USC. But Pete Carroll, he gave Patrick Turner my number. I don't know if you know this story.

No. But Patrick Turner was a Tennessee. guy right and he was recruiting him and at the time SC and Polly we had like a merge like everybody from Polly was going to S C so P Carroll just thought he had me in the head like so he's like all right we ain't got to do no extra recruiting for D Jack right so going throughout the process I'm telling him like P I'm like you got to give me that number one I need that number one is D Jack is number one I'm staying home I'm LA and he end up giving number one to Pager Turner and before I committed I'm like well I committed but before I officially committed I was like

you sure because Jeff Tever he he recruited me heavy I said, you know, Cal just beat y'all. Because, you know, I was here, Aaron Rogers beat them here in the Coliseum. I said, Cal just beat you. I said, you sure? I'm like, I can't get number one. He's like, yeah, we got to give it to this guy. He's coming from out of time.

I'm like, all right, made the move to go to Cal. But for me, growing up in L.A. is different. You know, Cal just was open arms. And I was able to really go and focus. I feel like if I went to SC, I would have too many distractions staying here at home. Yeah. C.D. Lamb has a lot of leverage. So.

A ton of leverage. Now, Brandon and I, you is upset, but they have so many weapons. Right. The team's got a little bit of leverage. No CD Lamb, no receiving court. No Cowboys. Have you ever held out? I have in 2012.

Is it hard? I mean, what's the conflict between you're not with your dudes, but you want to get paid? I mean, honestly, for me, going back to 2012, and I just was talking about this situation. I think I fell into a situation where Drew Rosenhouse was my agent around that time, man. Drew Rosenhouse and the Eagles organization, they weren't really jelling well together around this time because T.O. They had all this situation with T.O. and the Eagles and Higher Roseman and all that Joe Banner back there. So they were a little shy. So they was kind of already had like, you know, they was already at eye.

So I don't even think it was me. It just kind of fell into the play that Drew Rosenhouse was my agent. He was trying to strong arm the Eagles. And it was like, we're not going for it. but Drew Rosenhaus was like, we're not going to camp. And me, I'm like, I love boy. Like, all I know is, boy, I'm like, I'm not going to camp. Like, what are you talking about? I'm not going to camp.

And throughout the process, I think it was like a five or six-day holdout. I was getting fined like $50,000 every day. And, you know, me, I'm like, hold on. I'm trying to get that new money. I ain't trying to go into camp at that negative base, right? So it ended up working out. But what I do suggest, man, to these guys, I mean, a lot of times, you never know how the holdouts go.

Sometimes they work into your benefits. Sometimes they don't work into your benefit. So, I mean, C.D. Lamb, I think he's definitely deserving of a new contract. Oh, no question. You know, the past two years alone, he led the league. He is their offense. You know what I'm saying? He led the league in receptions over the past two years.

You know, and touchdowns, he was third and receiving yards, he was third. So, I mean, and the guys that's been getting paid, there's no doubt in my mind he shouldn't be at least right up under, you know, Justin Jefferson. Finally, briefly was Sean McVeigh. So I love McVeigh. It's my guy. But when McVe got the job, he. He was 30.

I got interns that are almost that old. So when you were with McVeigh, his energy, what is it like to have a coach that's younger than some of the players? Exactly. So I got an interesting story. So what was that? 2017, I think it was the year of the 2016-2017 off-season. I got a call for my agent at the time was Joe Segal.

And Joe Segal had a relationship with the owners for the Rams. and they actually called and talked to Joe and was like, man, how was, we want to talk to D. Jack. We want to know how McVeigh was when he was in Washington? Because I was in Washington for three years. It was like, how was McVeigh as a coach? How was he as a leader? Oh, so they called you to see if he could be the coach. I was like one of three players they called.

So they called me. And you can, if you ever talk to me, but you can ask him, I'm not a line. They called me. They called Trent Williams. And I want to say, that's your buddy. That's my dog. And then I want to say they called Pierre-Grasn at the time, too, right? So they just was curious on like, you know, how is he?

Because one thing that a lot of people don't know, so Jay Gruden was our coach in Washington. Jay Gruden never got up in front of offense and did any plays installed. You know, Sean McVeigh handled everything. And for me, I was like, Sean McVeigh is actually a very personal guy because he goes up and he takes control.

He takes ownership. And at this time, Sean McVeigh was like 28, 27. I mean, he was young. And he would control the room. He would control the room. Like, he had that respect. And guys knew, like, you know, you got certain guys that come up

and it's like, oh, I'm in me. I got to hear another dude talk, but like how engaged McVeigh was, and not only engaged, like he knew his stuff, exes and those, the ends and outs of the plays. It was just like, you would have thought he, everything was his philosophy, right? So I was like, man, he's a great coach. He's young, but he knows how to take ownership. He could take control of the room. And I think I actually helped him get that job in, in L.A.

I heard he interviewed with the Rams, and they came to the conclusion, we can't let him get on a plane. When I tell you, he's an expert, and I don't like to use this word, but when it comes down to plays and just how he sets up like Cooper Cup obviously is a heck of receiver he had like two three crazy years but I mean just to see like guys was asking me because I play with Cooper Cup there's like man how was Cooper Cup getting open this wide open I'm like for one he can run routes for two he's very smart and for three Sean McVeigh the way he play calls and way he schemes for that they're never wrong and then not only that you got Matthew Stafford he's a creature out the world as well too I think he doesn't get the much credit he deserves

man he's he's a he's a baller by the way Puka Naku Out of nowhere. And I went to training camp last year, and McVeigh and YARbs, the wide receiver coached Yarbrough. They were sitting there. They was like, Dee Jack,

D. Jack. Look what I got. Because I was out there. I was going to coach. But I was like, man, when I seen them hours and stand up, my knees start hurting, I said, hey, man, I can't coach.

I said, man, I can't do this. So I went out there for a few days. But I swear, every day, they kept telling me, look at that guy at Pooka. Look at that guy at Pooka.

So I'm seeing him. And I'm like, yeah, I'll see a little something. But he's not that fast. I ain't expect to see what I just seen this past year. No, I watched him at BYU in Washington, and I'm like, I don't think he can separate. Man, he's very physical. A, he's physical, B, the whole league plays zone.

Exactly. So he's a smart kid who understands how to, and another thing is he always breaks the first tackle. No, definitely. Cooper's like that. Cooper's like that as well, too. So, I mean, that team, man, and then with Matthew Stafford and then my young boy over there, two-two-out will I think, you know, he'll have a great year this year too. But, you know, it's crazy, man, just sitting back and seeing him.

how the league is advanced, man. It's the offensive league now. You got, you know, what McDaniels doing over there with Tyreek and Jalen Waddle, man. I mean, I'm here to love it. Like, you know, you get a lot of older guys that retiring. They kind of hate on the young guys. I mean, I'm here for it. The money they're making and how the leagues turn into offensive game, man.

I'm here for it. I think I can still play too, Carl. I don't know. What you think the Rams? Can I be a Rerick and number two? What we just said? Dallas? You think I can do it.

Oh, no, Dallas? I can be an arbiter, right? I don't know. I think Jerry Jones need to give me a call, man. I'm still in shape, man. I'm only like 185. You still work out? I still work out. It's the most out of every... You know, all these years I tried to gain weight. I can never gain weight. Now I didn't

took two years off. I got a little belly over here. Hey, man, what a pleasure to see you again. You're always welcome on our show. Unbelievable career. Thank you, man. And I met Deshawn years ago at an event, and you're just light the room up. He was partying. He was having a good time.

I had to come over there and give you some cheers, man. I try to avoid a bad time. Hey, man, congrats to all this success you're doing too, man. You're killing and you're doing your thing on this network, man. This platform. Appreciate you. Yes, sir. All right, back in a second.

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This is the Herdline News. Let's check in on your buddy, C.J. Stroud, you are a big fan. You've got him on all your quarterback top 10 list. Well, now he gets a great weapon in Stefan Diggs. Diggs said the two are already well on their way to building a great connection. It's a work in progress. I'm not going to say everything is perfect, but you see it's kind of getting on the same page here and there. And you know, nothing's going to be perfect.

You know, I starve for it. We grind for it, but getting on the same page, play after play, and that communication, that open line of communication, I feel like that's going really separated, seeing that we have such a small period of time. But this isn't my first rodeo. I'm by no means reinventing the will. You know, it's the same football we've been playing since we were five. And seven is special. I think everybody kind of knows that.

Oh, it's not most reiterated though, because I see it firsthand, I'm saying, and taking a play after play and building. So it's a work in progress. Fun to watch. It's amazing what a great quarterback can do. Unwatchable, it's one of the best watches in the league. Is it weird, like the Bucks had an out-of-character year, made the playoffs, won a game, everybody's all excited. But there's really not that same excitement for Tampa that there is Houston, even though they were basically carbon copies of one another last year. Well, but I also think C.J. Strauss.

But we're all kind of going, is he a top five quarterback? Oh, and he's pretty good. After one season? Listen, how long does it take to see Great? You saw Great a year ago. I saw Lamar Jackson. And then you pulled back. I saw Lamar Jackson, his rookie year, play the Chargers live.

And there was no doubt about it. The Chargers didn't quite know what to do. Yeah. I mean, just I think great, good is hard to decipher. Great is easy to spot. Okay, how's this? Has Trevor Lawrence had one season as good as C.J. Stroud had last year? I think they both had one really good year.

I also think Houston's roster got really good, really fast. No, Jack's roster's not bad. No, but I mean, he inherited, I mean, a great left tackle. They were okay defensively. I don't know. It's a good question. I mean, CJ, frankly, that's about as good a rookie quarter. quarterback year. I mean, I've 4,000 yards, 100 passer rating. He's great. I think CJ's best year has been

better than Trevor's. And he was clutch a lot. Fourth quarter's come back. He delivered a bunch. I remember, first week you watch him. All right. Second week, I remember watching him, and he made a huge throw. And I thought, oh my God, you can't make that throw. That's not luck. That's just, this is a great quarterback. I remember watching Kyler Murray Burrow, Herbert's first game member, Tyrod Taylor, had a medical emergency. That's right. And they threw Herbert and he gets Mahomes and you're like, wait a minute, timeout.

What am I watching? Like it doesn't take long to see great. Next up, Bryce Young. He went before C.J. Stroud last year in the draft and really struggled last season. But the Panthers are going to turn things around in 2024. Camp open yesterday and Panthers GM, Dan Morgan, said they're getting confident.

Bryce is committed to getting better. I think Bryce is one of the hardest. working men, you know, in that locker room right now. I know he's on a mission. I know he's committed to being great. I know he's committed to this franchise and making this franchise great. So we're going to try to do everything we can on our power

to surround him with the best players, the best protection, you know, receivers, running backs. So we've got to do our part as well. But I know Bryce is hungry. He's focused and we're super excited about him. This guy, Dan Morgan, was playing not too long ago. Yeah, he felt like he was recent, right? I mean, it's just for him.

Yeah, no, he, you got, it's like Demico Ryan's, Dan Morgan. When you get to these positions at that age, you're, you're a rock star. I mean, Sean McVeigh, 30 head coach. Like, Dan Morgan, D'Amico Ryan, Sean McVeigh. You don't get jobs. I mean, you, you wouldn't want to hire Dan Morgan. You'd be like, he just played. I can't make him a gym.

Do you know how good Dan Morgan had to be in the interview? Or Sean McVeigh had to be in the interview or D'Amico Ryan's? You would prefer not to hire a football coach who was like three years, four years in San Francisco. His first year, I think he was, it wasn't even a position. He was a controller or something. The owner has stepped in a bunch, and I think they wanted to lay. Let's get a Carolina player that was beloved. Yeah.

So that was the move getting more good. I'm looking at the, you know. You're way higher than me on Carolina. I don't know about way, but I am higher. Pro football focus. If you look at the roster for the Panthers, there's not a lot of. great there. And Colin, I know your big thing is, hey, you know it when you see it. Well, I don't know if Bryce Young hasn't been great by Thanksgiving, it's kind of, it feels

like it's over. No, I agree. I do think last year's unfair. I think he'll look, I thought he had the worst receiving core in the league, including New England. I think you will go into Thanksgiving saying there's something there. Quick release. You can't start your career with two seasons of total crap. No, they went and got him some help. Because they'll be drafting. They could be drafting in the top five. Schedule's not easy. They're not going to win a lot of games. But if my take is it's not about winning and losing, if they win six games and he looks

the part, I'd feel okay with it. But if he wins seven and they're doing it with defense, you've got to draft another quarterback. It's not a win thing. It does he looked the part. Carolina Giants in Germany. That's a rough one. Not easy.

All right. Anyways. All right. Let's move on from the Panthers. and the final story, Colin, is the Cincinnati Bungles. They use their franchise tag on T. Higgins. And this is probably going to be his last year in Cincinnati. While getting tagged may not have been his first choice, he decided to commit to the team and go for a Super Bowl. I do like that.

He said he didn't want to hold out and miss the chance to grind the season out with his teammates. They got Super Bowl talent on this team. That's undeniable, the top end talent. But this does feel like the window will shrink after the season. Well, Joe Mixon's gone. O is underrated. Tyler Boyd's gone. Tyler Boyd's gone.

So their depth, you know, you paid Burrow. Now the depth of talent is sketchy. That's the deal. And the defense has got a little worse last year. They're a little top-heavy. They've got four or five great players, and then there's some holes. It's hitting that critical mass where it's like, okay, are we going to be able to, are our draft pick's going to hit?

Because we've got to get rid of the expensive guys. I'm, T. Higgins is going to be fascinating. Is he a one? Or is he a 1B? Is he a 2? I think he's like, Mike. I feel like he's a great two. Well, Colin, he's facing number two cornerbacks all the time,

and they can't give safety help because Jamar Chase is on the other side. You go to Carolina and be in number one. You'll be facing top cornerbacks around the league. I don't know on Higgins. I like him a lot. I think he's a great number two. Yeah, it could be the best two in the league. Perhaps.

Michael Pittman, a Carolina, indie. Like, you just big, strong, productive. Is he a one, low-end one, high, high, two? Yeah. Yeah. J-Mack with the news Well, that's the news And thanks for stopping by

The Heard Lye News What are Higgins numbers? I'm going to guess 75 catches, four touchdowns, five touchdowns? It's weird that you ask for that Because I had a guy on my podcast Who said T. Higgins is a top 10 receiver in the league Whoa, time out

And I was like, wait a minute And then you look at his numbers last year He missed like five games What did he have? It was like 99th in the league in receptions He only had 42 catches last year Well, he got hurt. He did. He missed five gains. But like...

Year before. Year before, 1,000 yards, 7 touchdowns, 74 catches. Yeah, that's what he is. Mid-70 catches, 6-7 touchdowns. That's a great two. He's a great two. Yeah. I like him.

So do I. Deshawn Jackson and Nick Wright crushed today. So good to see Deshaun. Funny guy. Willing to put it out there. I asked him during the break, who's your best friend currently in the league? And he's like, Trent Williams. He's like, that dude is a house.

Good guy to know. Now, Trent is all that. That's a top five left tackle in the history of the sport. Walter Jones, Anthony Munoz. I'll leave a bunch of guys out, Jonathan Ogden. We'll see you tomorrow in L.A. It's the herd. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends.

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